#avr | Logs for 2012-11-13

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[03:34:08] <RikusW> power dip....
[03:38:44] <Richard_Cavell> RikusW: I finished my circuits, did I tell you?
[03:39:48] <OndraSter> nope
[03:40:13] <Richard_Cavell> Well, I finished my circuits
[03:47:32] <RikusW> yep
[05:01:49] <OndraSter> why farnell > digikey: next day delivery
[05:01:51] <OndraSter> even to CZE
[05:01:57] <OndraSter> and passives are much cheper
[05:02:00] <OndraSter> cheaper
[05:02:13] <OndraSter> digikey is even cheaper for passives, but not worth $60 shipping
[05:17:20] <OndraSter> why are LDOs called LDOs? They drop out usually >1V
[05:17:22] <OndraSter> it is not that LOW
[05:17:26] <OndraSter> on 3.3V output :P
[05:27:56] <Horologium> OndraSter, lower than standard dropout
[05:28:12] <OndraSter> there should be "ELDO"
[05:28:16] <OndraSter> Extremely Low DropOut
[05:28:31] <Horologium> called a switch mode regulator.
[05:29:02] <OndraSter> :P
[05:29:08] <OndraSter> screw BT138, let's get SSR instead.
[05:29:17] <OndraSter> those 2A won't hopefuly need any heatsink
[05:29:43] <OndraSter> err, 3A
[06:05:22] <Horologium> OndraSter, you do realize, an SSR just uses triacs, yes?
[06:06:26] <Horologium> or, rather, they used to.
[06:06:31] <Horologium> I guess the DC ones don't
[06:09:21] <Horologium> looks like there are both SCR/TRIAC and MOSFET based ones these days.
[06:18:21] <OndraSter> yes i do
[06:18:29] <OndraSter> but I don't have to mess around with triac itself
[06:18:34] <OndraSter> I just use built SSR
[09:12:15] <megal0maniac> HOLY CRAP I CAN PROGRAM AN AVR FROM MY PHONE!!
[09:12:34] * megal0maniac spits on iOS
[09:13:27] <yunta> nokia n9 / n950 / n900 ?
[09:14:11] <megal0maniac> Sony Ericsson Xperia Active, with USB OTG and a chrooted Debian install
[09:14:46] <yunta> nice
[09:19:34] <OndraSter> haha
[09:19:39] <OndraSter> avrdude compiled for ARM?
[09:19:56] <OndraSter> my phone can make calls!
[09:19:58] <OndraSter> and send texts!
[09:20:04] <OndraSter> WITHOUT REQUIRING ME TO ROOT IT!
[09:22:32] <megal0maniac> Mine can do everything it needs to stock
[09:22:58] <megal0maniac> But rooted, it unveils the fact that it's really just a computer, and you can do what you please with it :)
[09:23:43] <megal0maniac> OndraSter: Computers are "Rooted". UAC in Windows Vista/7/8 is just SuperUser for Windows
[09:24:47] <OndraSter> I know what UAC in Windows looks like
[09:25:00] <OndraSter> WinMo was real "computer" based OS :P
[09:25:41] <OndraSter> bloody post
[09:25:49] <OndraSter> again they threw in the post box "we have got package for you"
[09:25:51] <OndraSter> while I was at home
[09:26:08] <OndraSter> I can pick it up 1700 - 1800 today or anytime during the next 2 weeks
[09:26:08] * amee2woof . o O ( megaohmaniac... nono! )
[09:26:35] <megal0maniac> OndraSter: I'm just saying it's the same thing :)
[09:26:46] <megal0maniac> Rikus would like one of those slips
[09:26:53] <megal0maniac> amee2woof: Mm?
[09:27:20] <amee2woof> nothing :)
[09:27:34] <megal0maniac> Pity I don't have a programmer here to test with :)
[09:27:53] <megal0maniac> * amee2woof . o O ( megaohmaniac... nono! )
[09:27:54] <megal0maniac> ?
[09:28:15] <amee2woof> nothing >_>
[09:28:21] * amee2woof innocently wags tail :3
[09:59:15] <megal0ma1iac> If I'm going to install avrdude, why not irssi as well? :)
[10:03:16] <yunta> megal0ma1iac: I think you'd like nokia's n9. And Jolla's new phone.
[10:07:47] <megal0ma1iac> At the moment, I'm just using what I have at my disposal
[10:08:18] <megal0ma1iac> But I am curious to see what Nokia has been up to since they gave up on Symbina
[10:08:24] <megal0ma1iac> *Symbian
[10:10:26] <OndraSter> WP8
[10:11:51] <specing> winhell8
[10:12:08] <megal0ma1iac> specing: Could probably get Gentoo on here too :P
[10:12:48] <OndraSter> no
[10:12:49] <OndraSter> you could not
[10:12:55] <OndraSter> or he
[10:13:51] <megal0ma1iac> armv7l
[10:15:32] <megal0ma1iac> My mind is still blown
[10:29:51] <OndraSter> sure it is armv7
[10:29:55] <OndraSter> what else would it be
[10:30:21] <jadew> what blown your mind?
[10:30:38] <jadew> blowned?
[12:43:39] <megal0maniac> jadew: Running Debian on my phone
[12:44:10] <megal0maniac> With X. Even installed avrdude, going to program SOMETHING when I get home
[12:44:45] <RikusW> which phone ?
[12:45:00] <megal0maniac> Sony Ericsson Xperia Active
[12:45:08] <megal0maniac> But any Android phone will do
[12:48:16] <jadew> nice
[12:49:14] <jadew> I take it you're enjoying stable versions from the last millenium, eh?
[12:49:35] <megal0maniac> I'm on squeeze, but wheezy is available
[12:49:45] <jadew> heh
[12:50:26] <jadew> I got rid of debian on my desktop, I had squeeze as well
[12:53:17] <jadew> it's cool on servers tho
[12:53:48] <megal0maniac> X is a bit of a waste, since the screen is only 320x480...
[12:53:58] <RikusW> megal0maniac: how did you manage to put debian on there ?
[12:54:47] <megal0maniac> RikusW: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.galoula.LinuxInstallPRO
[12:54:55] <megal0maniac> chmod based solution
[12:55:08] <megal0maniac> Runs quite nicely alongside Android
[12:55:14] <RikusW> chroot ?
[12:56:04] <inkjetunit> chmod +x debian and go :p
[12:56:10] <jadew> now install the android tablet emulator in debian and run that
[12:56:42] <jadew> then you'll have a tablet on your phone!
[12:57:10] <megal0maniac> Not sure exactly how it works, but the whole install is saved in a loop file, which is mounted as a block device in android and then you chroot into it
[12:57:23] <megal0maniac> That's as much as makes sense to me :P
[12:57:45] <inkjetunit> aah, so it's debian on an android kernel
[12:58:36] <RikusW> megal0maniac: its a harddisk image
[12:58:43] <RikusW> a filesystem in a file
[12:58:54] <RikusW> which is loop mounted
[12:59:03] <RikusW> mount -o loop
[12:59:05] <RikusW> iirc
[12:59:11] <megal0maniac> Oh
[12:59:20] <megal0maniac> But it works :)
[12:59:35] <RikusW> chroot changes the root dir to that image
[12:59:46] <RikusW> instant debian :)
[12:59:47] <megal0maniac> If I can compile and upload something onto an AVR, I'll be impressed
[13:00:22] <jadew> if X works, you'll probably be fine doing that
[13:00:23] <megal0maniac> Should be possible, no?
[13:00:28] <megal0maniac> Ah
[13:00:41] <inkjetunit> megal0maniac: may i ask which terminal emulato you use on android?
[13:00:43] <megal0maniac> You connect to the X server with VNC
[13:00:52] <jadew> ah
[13:01:18] <megal0maniac> inkjetunit: Either I use dropbear and ssh in from a PC, or use the SSH server bundled with the app
[13:01:30] <megal0maniac> If I HAVE to use a terminal emulator, then connectbot
[13:01:39] <inkjetunit> megal0maniac: ok. thanks
[13:02:12] <megal0maniac> 480x320 is not really good enough for terminal, especially when half of it is taken up by the keyboard ;)
[13:03:35] <inkjetunit> megal0maniac: right. i was thinking of an android tablet for some reason :)
[13:04:06] <RikusW> Is this the AndroidVncRoaming channel ? :-P
[13:05:27] <megal0maniac> I'm going to program an AVR with Android. My phone is just an innocent bystander :P AVR is the main attraction here
[13:05:54] <megal0maniac_afk> ]
[13:07:57] <OndraSter> }
[14:01:40] <megal0maniac> usb 1-1: rejected 1 configuration due to insufficient available bus power
[14:01:49] <megal0maniac> Says my phone to Rikus' board :P
[14:05:17] <OndraSter> :D
[14:25:11] <megal0maniac> RikusW: usb 1-1: rejected 1 configuration due to insufficient available bus power
[14:25:33] <megal0maniac> And then usb 1-1.1: device v03eb p2018 is not supported
[14:25:44] <megal0maniac> But we'll get there ;)
[14:26:52] <RikusW> megal0maniac: what are you trying to do ?
[14:27:00] <RikusW> OndraSter: guess what arrived ? :)
[14:28:02] <OndraSter> nice :)
[14:28:13] <OndraSter> I thought that you come to the town only on fridays :P
[14:28:15] <RikusW> red / green blinking
[14:28:16] <megal0maniac> FINALLY
[14:28:21] <OndraSter> green?
[14:28:23] <RikusW> yes :)
[14:28:27] <OndraSter> wait
[14:28:31] <megal0maniac> RikusW: Connect and enumerate
[14:28:31] <OndraSter> Stellaris came
[14:28:59] <megal0maniac> Oh lame. We want red/orange :P
[14:29:05] <RikusW> fortunately my mobile phone cable fits..
[14:29:24] <RikusW> OndraSter: what is that USB connector called ?
[14:29:49] <OndraSter> which one?
[14:30:24] <megal0maniac> It's either mini or micro USB
[14:30:36] <OndraSter> my board uses micro
[14:30:44] <megal0maniac> mini is the one on most 2.5" externals
[14:30:48] <OndraSter> I am switching to through hole mounted ones for next revisions actually
[14:30:48] <OndraSter> yes
[14:30:56] <megal0maniac> OndraSter: Why?
[14:31:11] <OndraSter> because I got angry once :)
[14:31:28] <OndraSter> and the Sparkfun's library doesn't have complete footprint for it, there should be even the back soldered
[14:31:37] <OndraSter> long story short - I ripped it off the board :D
[14:31:46] <OndraSter> I was very angry
[14:31:51] <RikusW> using normal B now ?
[14:31:53] <OndraSter> at the awfulness called USB
[14:31:54] <OndraSter> no
[14:31:56] <OndraSter> still microUSB
[14:31:59] <OndraSter> but through hole soldered
[14:32:01] <OndraSter> rather SMD
[14:32:06] <OndraSter> it has got four small pegs
[14:32:19] <OndraSter> + two SMD pads on the front
[14:33:07] <RikusW> OndraSter: we should design or own low latency bus :)
[14:33:14] <OndraSter> :D
[14:33:20] <OndraSter> I vote for UART
[14:33:29] <OndraSter> with differential signalling
[14:33:38] <OndraSter> :P
[14:33:49] <RikusW> 1MBps ?
[14:33:54] <RikusW> or 2 ?
[14:34:41] <RikusW> synchronous high speed uart ?
[14:35:13] <OndraSter> 1MBps? pff
[14:35:17] <RikusW> OndraSter: how do I make the coco enter bootloader mode ?
[14:35:25] <OndraSter> tie PortE 5 to ground
[14:35:26] <OndraSter> I think
[14:35:33] <OndraSter> and reset
[14:35:39] <megal0maniac> E7
[14:35:44] <megal0maniac> I think :P
[14:36:17] <OndraSter> PE5
[14:36:17] <OndraSter> http://myxboard.net/beginning.html#flash
[14:36:18] <OndraSter> :P
[14:36:19] <megal0maniac> #xboardownersclub
[14:36:40] <megal0maniac> Only 3 people allowed ;)
[14:37:19] <OndraSter> :D
[14:37:38] <megal0maniac> Think I should try again, but install wheezy instead and make the loop file bigger
[14:37:53] <OndraSter> why does the Atmel's USB CDC serial code have to be so big :(
[14:38:00] <OndraSter> 9kB is just awful
[14:38:05] <megal0maniac> It is?
[14:38:08] <OndraSter> yes
[14:38:12] <OndraSter> 9kB with -Os
[14:38:16] <RikusW> E5 it is :)
[14:38:42] <RikusW> got the DFU in usbview
[14:38:47] <OndraSter> yeah
[14:38:53] <megal0maniac> Now get it in FLIP
[14:38:59] <landonf> Not hard to hit 9kB, but maybe I suck at this :)
[14:39:18] <OndraSter> I want to fit into 4kB :P
[14:39:24] <OndraSter> I believe that it IS possible
[14:39:26] <OndraSter> but not with C
[14:39:31] <OndraSter> with all of the push/pop
[14:39:38] <OndraSter> and using only few registers
[14:41:44] <RikusW> OndraSter: I made that 9kb go into 800 bytes with asm
[14:41:47] <OndraSter> http://events.slooh.com/
[14:41:48] <OndraSter> btw
[14:41:50] <OndraSter> RikusW, yeah :)
[14:41:56] <OndraSter> did you precompile it with -s parameter?
[14:42:00] <RikusW> but for m32u2
[14:42:00] <OndraSter> and then used avr-as?
[14:42:06] <RikusW> AS4 asm
[14:43:19] <RikusW> OndraSter: good thing you packed it well, the box was compressed ;)
[14:43:28] <RikusW> no bent pins :)
[14:43:46] <OndraSter> + for using bigger package!
[14:43:48] <OndraSter> :P
[14:44:06] <RikusW> and bubble wrap
[14:44:06] <OndraSter> I remember corwin talking about how using such a big package is useless
[14:44:07] <OndraSter> SURE!
[14:44:08] <OndraSter> yes
[14:44:13] <OndraSter> I bought 100m reel of bubblewrap :D
[14:44:20] <OndraSter> 1m * 100m I think
[14:44:23] <OndraSter> or 0.5m * 100m
[14:44:48] <OndraSter> 0.5m
[14:44:53] <RikusW> whats the issue with your 3v3 regulator ? :-P
[14:44:57] <OndraSter> heh
[14:45:12] <OndraSter> ... not sure if ironic question or real question... :P
[14:45:22] <OndraSter> wait
[14:45:22] <RikusW> got hte pinout wrong ?
[14:45:23] <OndraSter> yes
[14:45:29] <OndraSter> I thought you knew about that issue :D
[14:45:33] <OndraSter> I used wrong chip
[14:45:36] <OndraSter> I used LM2936
[14:45:46] <OndraSter> which costs like 5 times more and does 50mA :D
[14:46:01] <OndraSter> accident happened
[14:46:13] <RikusW> 1117 pinout is different...
[14:46:16] <OndraSter> yeah
[14:46:23] <OndraSter> I found it out after soldering it on :D
[14:46:26] <RikusW> fortunately for you there was an easy fix ;)
[14:46:26] <OndraSter> and wondering wth
[14:46:29] <OndraSter> yep
[14:47:46] <OndraSter> btw next xboard manufactured will be xboard mini - duino
[14:47:48] <OndraSter> with ethernet shield :P
[14:47:56] <OndraSter> but the bloody USB VID for $2k is awful
[14:47:59] <OndraSter> how did you solve that, RikusW ?
[14:48:06] <OndraSter> (I know I had already asked that in the past)
[14:48:18] <RikusW> solved what ?
[14:48:23] <OndraSter> USB VID&PID combo
[14:48:25] <RikusW> sub vid ?
[14:48:31] <RikusW> used atmel's
[14:48:31] <OndraSter> ye
[14:48:35] <OndraSter> with random PID?
[14:48:42] <RikusW> no the CDC demo
[14:48:45] <OndraSter> oh
[14:48:47] <OndraSter> mkay
[14:48:49] <OndraSter> sounds acceptable :D
[14:49:00] <RikusW> who's going to complain
[14:49:00] <OndraSter> how long did you take the 9kB -> 800B? :D
[14:49:08] <RikusW> a while :-P
[14:49:17] <OndraSter> :D
[14:49:26] <RikusW> I started ripping out stuff in C until it broke
[14:49:30] <OndraSter> I like how just the jump table for the interrupt takes half a kilobyte :D
[14:49:34] <RikusW> then put it back an ripped some more
[14:49:49] <OndraSter> (repeating)
[14:49:50] <OndraSter> http://events.slooh.com/
[14:49:52] <RikusW> then converted to asm
[14:49:54] <megal0maniac> I like your style
[14:49:55] <OndraSter> just about to happen
[14:50:00] <OndraSter> RikusW, using the -s parameter?
[14:50:04] <RikusW> -s ?
[14:50:08] <OndraSter> for gcc
[14:50:31] <RikusW> I think I just had a peek in the disasm in the sim
[14:50:31] <specing> objdump -S
[14:50:38] <OndraSter> oh
[14:50:42] <OndraSter> you just disassembled it back
[14:51:04] <RikusW> I only took the basic structure and wrote the asm from scratch
[14:51:14] <OndraSter> oh
[14:51:34] <RikusW> btw the source is on my site.
[14:51:48] <OndraSter> mega's USB is a lot different to xmegas :/
[14:51:48] <RikusW> in jtag mki
[14:51:59] <RikusW> could imagine
[14:52:08] <RikusW> basic CDC should be the same
[14:52:20] <RikusW> only EP and INIT should differ
[14:52:30] <OndraSter> hmm
[14:52:46] <OndraSter> I don't know how mega handles the data rx/tx/interrupts
[14:52:49] <RikusW> OndraSter: is the coco 2 layer ?
[14:52:53] <OndraSter> yes
[14:53:08] <OndraSter> next rev of coco will have parts only on the top side
[14:53:10] <OndraSter> I pushed the limits :)
[14:54:14] <tmpvar> RikusW, what's the url for your site?
[14:54:57] <RikusW> http://sites.google.com/site/megau2s/home
[14:55:02] <RikusW> or google megau2s
[14:55:30] <RikusW> OndraSter: easier to solder ?
[14:55:48] <OndraSter> simpler to bake
[14:55:58] <OndraSter> you can see that this one was hand soldered :D
[14:57:05] <RikusW> yep
[14:57:17] * RikusW used liquid flux for that
[14:58:08] <RikusW> I got a trick for soldering 2x5 headers very fast
[14:58:10] <RikusW> flux it
[14:58:29] <RikusW> apply solder to tip while dragging inbetween
[14:58:49] <RikusW> if done right, its fast and neat
[14:59:16] <OndraSter> :)
[15:01:11] <OndraSter> RikusW, for that idea I can offer you this: http://sphotos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/615500_472422712800980_1475458530_o.jpg
[15:01:16] <OndraSter> ... nvm, you are on GPRS
[15:01:44] <RikusW> OndraSter: those pointy tips on the solder are asking for more flux :-P
[15:02:30] <OndraSter> :D
[15:02:42] <OndraSter> they are asking for solder paste
[15:02:45] <OndraSter> and reflow oven
[15:03:01] <RikusW> flux + solder works quite well
[15:03:49] <RikusW> some olive oil bottles got this tiny "cup" in the lid
[15:04:01] <RikusW> I used one of those half full of flux
[15:04:26] <RikusW> so I pick up the smd component, dip in flux and put on pcb
[15:04:38] <RikusW> and solder one end, then the other
[15:04:50] <RikusW> just touching with the tip
[15:05:02] <RikusW> there should be just enough solder on the tip
[15:05:22] * RikusW did 120 U2S that way
[15:05:35] <RikusW> took about 20min per U2S
[15:05:40] <RikusW> for full assembly
[15:05:41] <OndraSter> that is some time
[15:05:53] <RikusW> a few days
[15:05:54] <OndraSter> wouldn't it be faster to build reflow oven in 4 hours? :P
[15:06:10] <OndraSter> 40 hours
[15:06:29] <RikusW> placing components take time, soldering is quite fast actually
[15:06:42] <OndraSter> if you remember which one is which one - sure :)
[15:06:48] <OndraSter> I had got 100nF and 10uF caps
[15:06:50] <OndraSter> on the bottom
[15:06:55] <RikusW> I did it in batches
[15:07:03] <OndraSter> I did it in a batch of 3 :D
[15:07:05] <RikusW> only 22R for 40 boards at a time
[15:07:13] <RikusW> then 100nF caps
[15:07:18] <RikusW> and so on
[15:07:22] <RikusW> AVR first
[15:07:38] <RikusW> I made a jig to position it quickly
[15:07:55] <OndraSter> oh
[15:07:59] <OndraSter> I always tinned the pads first
[15:08:01] <OndraSter> put the chip on it
[15:08:07] <OndraSter> and reflowed it with hot air station
[15:08:13] <RikusW> I had HASL boards
[15:08:17] <OndraSter> so did I
[15:08:27] <OndraSter> but there is not enough tin for reflow
[15:08:32] <RikusW> I used a EW-101 Plato tip
[15:08:36] <RikusW> flat and wide
[15:08:41] <OndraSter> I used hot air :D
[15:08:48] <RikusW> works like a dream
[15:09:02] <OndraSter> http://www.hotair.pl/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/Stacja_lutownicz_4d65fae416b2e.jpg
[15:09:04] <OndraSter> I have got this
[15:09:31] <OndraSter> I need to tweak it for even lower air volume though
[15:09:35] <OndraSter> it uses triac inside, I already checked :D
[15:09:58] * RikusW got a 2kW heatgun :)
[15:10:40] <RikusW> it can even melt FR4 :-P
[15:10:54] <OndraSter> :
[15:10:55] <OndraSter> :D
[15:12:04] * RikusW abuses broken motherboards
[15:12:21] <OndraSter> :P
[15:12:27] <OndraSter> I have got here some X1200 GPU
[15:12:29] <OndraSter> or X800
[15:12:31] <OndraSter> or whatever
[15:13:13] <RikusW> One local IT guy told me it is impossible to remove a northbridge in one piece.,..
[15:13:19] <RikusW> I proved him wrong...
[15:15:09] <OndraSter> :D
[15:15:18] <OndraSter> with IR repair station it is even easier
[15:15:20] <OndraSter> and safer.
[15:15:39] <RikusW> lol at first jpg :-D
[15:15:40] <OndraSter> but IR repair stations are like $2k+
[15:15:51] <OndraSter> which jpg is that, RikusW ?
[15:16:16] <RikusW> fb
[15:16:19] <OndraSter> ah
[15:16:23] <OndraSter> yeah, Sina Collins
[15:16:40] <OndraSter> she made some nice steampunk photos as a redhead :P
[15:16:56] <OndraSter> after that I subscribed to her on facebook :D
[15:17:13] <OndraSter> the second jpg is still loading, RikusW ?
[15:17:22] <RikusW> got it
[15:17:22] <OndraSter> with the station
[15:18:00] <RikusW> 74kb loads in 10s or so
[15:18:09] <OndraSter> I would kill with that :)
[15:18:12] <OndraSter> rape, kill, rape again
[15:18:34] <RikusW> FB loads in 5min or so....
[15:18:45] <RikusW> so I just don't go there anymore
[15:18:49] <OndraSter> :D
[15:18:56] <RikusW> it used to be faster
[15:19:11] <OndraSter> it is like me after I deplete my FUP on my phone
[15:19:15] <RikusW> now it all bulky, probably to much javascript ?
[15:19:15] <OndraSter> and my home internet craps out
[15:19:21] <OndraSter> so I connect my home via my phone
[15:19:23] <OndraSter> and all I can use is IRC :D
[15:19:27] <OndraSter> aye
[15:19:29] <OndraSter> ajax all the way
[15:19:39] <RikusW> IRC use almost no data
[15:30:49] <OndraSter> megal0ma1iac, you have got a mistake in your backup name :P
[15:30:52] <OndraSter> it should be megal0man1ac :P
[15:31:11] <megal0ma1iac> It's automagic
[15:31:18] <megal0ma1iac> irssi is clever/stupid that way
[15:31:24] <OndraSter> oh
[15:31:34] <megal0ma1iac> There I go
[15:33:27] <OndraSter> so appearantly there is some enc424j600 lib for atmegas
[15:33:28] <OndraSter> http://code.google.com/p/avr-butterfly-encx24j600-uip/source/browse/trunk/drivers/encx24j600/enc424j600.c?r=5
[15:33:29] <OndraSter> but
[15:33:32] <OndraSter> a) it is for atmega
[15:33:39] <OndraSter> b) I don't like it
[15:33:42] <RikusW> megal0maniac: you could use the ghost command too...
[15:33:52] <OndraSter> c) it does not use DMA (because of a)
[15:34:14] <RikusW> /msg nickserv ghost nick pw
[15:34:34] <megal0maniac> Will do next time :)
[15:34:43] <megal0maniac> Actually, I'll make an alias for it
[15:34:57] <megal0maniac> Like /imback or something
[15:35:16] <megal0maniac> OndraSter: Nicely commented
[15:35:34] <megal0maniac> Installing squeeze now. Will probably take an hour :/
[15:36:40] <RikusW> OndraSter: another thing, to properly solder pinheader on double sided pcb you need to use at least 350C
[15:36:53] <OndraSter> hmm?
[15:36:57] <OndraSter> I use usually around 300C
[15:37:00] <OndraSter> but not sure how well calibrated it is
[15:37:14] <RikusW> for pinheaders I set my iron to 350
[15:37:29] <OndraSter> I am just cheap for my expensive solder
[15:37:29] <RikusW> 260 for tqfp
[15:37:52] * RikusW got 500g 0.7mm for ZAR100 (10E)
[15:38:04] <OndraSter> I paid about 12€ for 100g 0.5mm
[15:38:14] <OndraSter> it has got 2% of Cu in it
[15:38:23] <RikusW> mine is 60/40
[15:38:42] <OndraSter> 60/38/2
[15:38:50] <OndraSter> so no, it is not RoHS board :P
[15:38:54] <OndraSter> but I can buy RoHS fake stickers!
[15:39:03] <RikusW> why should it be ? :-P
[15:39:12] <OndraSter> well you are not in the EU so you don't care
[15:39:14] <OndraSter> but the EU cares
[15:39:15] <OndraSter> beats me why
[15:39:18] * megal0maniac prefers lead solder
[15:39:18] <OndraSter> it is stupid thing
[15:39:21] <OndraSter> everybody does
[15:39:27] <OndraSter> but EU loves bitching more
[15:39:32] <megal0maniac> And mercury switches :)
[15:39:34] <RikusW> lead in dev kits should be ok
[15:40:02] <OndraSter> hmm?
[15:40:03] <OndraSter> GOOD!!
[15:40:13] <OndraSter> because RoHS HASL/ENIG costs more :P
[15:40:27] <megal0maniac> RikusW: Mantech still sells mercury switches. Thought I was going to get those stupid ball ones, and then I didn't
[15:40:55] <RikusW> heh
[15:41:09] <OndraSter> Under the RoHS Recast there is an exclusion for equipment designed solely for R&D. Semiconductor development board manufacturers may have hoped that this would exclude development kits but this is not the interpretation of the RoHS “FAQ” guidance committee who represent Member State Governments. Their opinion is that this exclusion applies only to equipment which has been constructed for which research will be carried out and does not exclude eq
[15:41:09] <OndraSter> uipment used to carry out research into other equipment designs.
[15:41:10] <OndraSter> wtf
[15:41:30] * megal0maniac read "RoHS Racist"
[15:41:40] <OndraSter> Development tools sold as “a bag of components” and a PCB also fall within scope. Again the Blue Book is useful and states “a combination of different products and parts designed or put together by the same person is considered as one finished product which, as such, has to comply with the directive”.
[15:42:06] <megal0maniac> Is my xboard RoHS? :)
[15:42:10] <OndraSter> no
[15:42:12] <OndraSter> I refuse RoHS
[15:42:16] <RikusW> Rohs solder makes it hard to repair stuff :S
[15:42:23] <megal0maniac> What in it could kill me?
[15:42:36] <megal0maniac> 5V?
[15:42:40] <RikusW> the resin ;)
[15:42:51] <RikusW> it is toxic...
[15:42:54] <RikusW> but inert
[15:43:06] * megal0maniac only dislikes resin when it smokes
[15:43:16] <RikusW> heatgun + FR4 = huge stench
[15:43:19] <OndraSter> heh
[15:43:27] <RikusW> + too much heat
[15:43:36] <OndraSter> atmega8, YOU ARE OBSOLETE!
[15:43:37] <OndraSter> lol
[15:43:47] <OndraSter> megal0maniac, I have built an air cleaner for that :P
[15:43:54] <OndraSter> fish tank cleaners + 12cm fan
[15:43:55] <Horologium> upgrade to an atmega88
[15:43:57] <OndraSter> aye
[15:44:40] <megal0maniac> My boss has an ATX PSU, minus the PSU part :P
[15:44:46] <megal0maniac> i.e. just the fan in a box
[15:44:56] <megal0maniac> Works well enough
[15:45:04] <atmega8> :-( OBSOLETE ?
[15:45:09] <Horologium> have a rangehood here.
[15:45:34] <Horologium> local place was giving them away...old models and they were moving and didn't want to transport them.
[15:45:38] <Horologium> brand new.
[15:45:45] <Horologium> got 8 of them.
[15:45:54] <Horologium> one in the workshop, one over the stove, gave the other six away.
[15:47:15] <RikusW> atmega8: is old, no longer manufactured
[15:47:34] <megal0maniac> atmega88 is found in phones, apparently
[15:47:44] <megal0maniac> OndraSter: Did you ever fix that thing?
[15:47:49] <atmega8> RikusW: I know ...
[15:48:59] <megal0maniac> 'night all
[15:49:28] <Horologium> http://www.ustream.tv/cairnseclipse2012
[15:50:31] <atmega8> I have found a ATmega88 in a electric toothbrush
[15:51:03] <Horologium> bit of overkill?
[15:51:13] <Tom_itx> OndraSter get with the program... you mus be RoHs
[15:51:32] <Horologium> RoHs is the shiznit...mostly shiz, with a bit of nit..
[15:51:46] <Horologium> gotta love tin whiskers.
[15:52:05] * Tom_itx loves the smell of lead in the morning
[15:52:29] <landonf> Tom_itx: fire guns in the morning, do you?
[15:53:00] <RikusW> Tom_itx: flux ?
[15:53:32] <Tom_itx> that too
[15:53:58] <atmega8> Is lead allowed in hunting ?
[15:54:08] <Horologium> not much
[15:54:24] <Tom_itx> use bow and arrow
[15:54:32] <Horologium> depends on where you are.
[15:54:46] <Horologium> birdshot is not lead around here anymore.
[15:56:04] <OndraSter> megal0maniac_afk, nope
[15:56:09] <OndraSter> reflashed = didn't help
[15:56:14] <OndraSter> Tom_itx, NO
[15:56:15] <OndraSter> NOOOOOOOO
[15:56:16] <OndraSter> I REFUSE!
[15:57:34] * RikusW TOOO
[15:57:43] <RikusW> RoHS solder is nasty
[16:05:34] <Horologium> http://hackaday.com/2012/11/13/a-nostalgic-look-at-what-a-13-year-old-can-do-with-a-c64/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+hackaday%2FLgoM+%28Hack+a+Day%29&utm_content=Google+Reader
[16:05:46] <Horologium> something impressive,,at least to me.
[16:27:18] <OndraSter> hehe
[16:27:27] <OndraSter> I started with PHP when I was 14 yo or so
[16:27:36] <OndraSter> then I moved to C# when I was 16?
[16:27:43] <OndraSter> with bits'n pieces doing in C
[16:27:48] <OndraSter> or asm on avr
[16:28:20] <Horologium> php didn't exist when I was 14.
[16:28:21] <jadew> I'm not gonna brag :P
[16:28:37] <Horologium> basic was my first, second, and third language, then assembly on 6502.
[16:28:52] <jadew> basic was my first as well
[16:28:55] <OndraSter> :D
[16:28:58] <OndraSter> you are all so old!
[16:28:59] <Horologium> then C on unix/sun systems.
[16:29:13] <OndraSter> OMG SUN
[16:29:16] <OndraSter> QUICKLY HIDE!
[16:29:17] <jadew> yeah... we are
[16:29:18] <OndraSter> RUUUNNNN
[16:29:38] <Horologium> sun systems were awesome.
[16:29:46] <Horologium> 68040 processors, 32MB ram!
[16:29:51] <OndraSter> oh those
[16:29:56] <OndraSter> I thought you ment Sun SPARC with Solaris
[16:29:57] <Horologium> then we got some sparcstations.
[16:30:06] <Horologium> but they were running unix still.
[16:30:08] <Horologium> pre-solaris
[16:30:27] <jadew> I haven't touched any flavor of nix until highschool
[16:30:42] <OndraSter> I touched slackware when I was very young :D
[16:30:44] <OndraSter> and then fedora
[16:30:45] <Horologium> that was post-highschool, in my programming years.
[16:30:50] <OndraSter> and then I went back to XP and lived happily since
[16:31:06] <jadew> because I haven't heard of it till then and because we didn't have internet back then (where I lived at least)
[16:31:07] <Horologium> hit slack and other linuxes in the mid to late 90s.
[16:31:43] <OndraSter> huh youtube has just suggested me "zumba cardio party" lol
[16:31:45] * Tom_itx snickers
[16:31:53] <Tom_itx> the interweb didn't exhist when i was 14
[16:32:07] <Horologium> we barely had 300 baud modems when I was 14.
[16:32:14] <Horologium> didn't get my first modem till I was 17
[16:32:24] <Tom_itx> umm i don't think there were pc's yet :D
[16:32:28] <jadew> we didn't have internet when I was a kid, but we sure had porn
[16:32:37] <jadew> we had pictures and we had .exe porn
[16:32:47] <OndraSter> .exe porn?
[16:32:48] <OndraSter> viruses?
[16:32:50] <OndraSter> it was real? :D
[16:32:55] <jadew> with short repeating movies (tried to find one, but couldn't)
[16:32:55] <Horologium> you can't be that much older than me Tom_itx
[16:33:00] <jadew> it's probably on some diskette
[16:33:30] <Horologium> when I was 14 we had the trs-80 model 100 PC.
[16:33:34] <OndraSter> :D
[16:33:40] <OndraSter> I wish I lived through that
[16:33:41] <Horologium> well, we didn't, but the neighbor did.
[16:33:44] <OndraSter> it was all simple to work with
[16:33:56] <jadew> OndraSter, on the contrary
[16:34:00] <Horologium> got my vic-20 at age 15.
[16:34:11] <OndraSter> one could work easily with the hardware
[16:35:04] <jadew> in the ms-dos era we didn't have multitasking
[16:35:09] <jadew> we had resident programs :D
[16:35:13] <Horologium> bah...ms-dos.
[16:35:20] <Horologium> rom basic!
[16:35:22] <OndraSter> yeah
[16:35:22] <Tom_itx> i still use it
[16:35:26] <OndraSter> one could hack it easily!
[16:35:32] <OndraSter> no protected mode ...
[16:35:33] <Tom_itx> in fact i may still have my dos2 disks
[16:35:42] <OndraSter> I have got here DOS5 on two 5.25" floppies
[16:35:42] <Tom_itx> for sure have 6.22
[16:35:49] <Tom_itx> and a few inbetween
[16:35:51] <Horologium> I have some 6.22 and 3.2 dos disks.
[16:35:51] <OndraSter> and Win3.11 for workgroups
[16:35:54] <OndraSter> maybe even twice
[16:35:55] <jadew> yeah, I have a 6.x as well
[16:35:56] <OndraSter> originals
[16:35:58] <Horologium> and win3.1 I burned to CD.
[16:36:36] <jadew> oh... I have DOOM 1 on floppy disks :D
[16:36:39] <OndraSter> :D
[16:36:42] <OndraSter> original I hope
[16:36:45] <jadew> yep
[16:36:57] <Horologium> bah..there were only 20 copies of that sold.
[16:37:00] <Tom_itx> i think i do too
[16:37:02] <Horologium> the rest of us had pirated versions.
[16:37:10] <jadew> oh really?
[16:37:13] <jadew> they had pictures and all
[16:37:21] <Tom_itx> not sure where i put it
[16:37:37] <jadew> I must have mine somewhere in a box with the other floppy disks
[16:38:43] <Tom_itx> let's just say i did until i moved my office
[16:39:16] <jadew> it's not like you would have played it anymore anyway
[16:39:17] <Tom_itx> now i'm lucky to find anything
[16:40:22] * OndraSter still has got two fully working 5.25" floppy drives and bunch of 3.5" drives... even one USB!
[16:40:59] <Tom_itx> what... no 8" ?
[16:41:08] <Horologium> one of my clients has one of those...8inch floppy drive.
[16:41:19] <jadew> I have a fully working 486sx @ 50Mhz which can format 1.44Mb floppy disks to 2.88 :D
[16:41:19] <Tom_itx> single sided
[16:41:27] <Horologium> someone pulled a bunch of old disks out of storage..and wanted data retrieved from them.
[16:41:32] <Horologium> so they bought one off ebay.
[16:41:42] <OndraSter> Tom_itx, nope, no 8"... never had one
[16:41:57] <OndraSter> I have got here fully working 486dx2
[16:42:06] <jadew> nice
[16:42:07] <OndraSter> then some 386 and 286s too
[16:42:09] <Horologium> now the disks are being used for wall art.
[16:42:14] <OndraSter> and even 286/386/486 laptops :P
[16:42:17] <Tom_itx> my 8088 is in the closet
[16:42:21] <Tom_itx> still boots afik
[16:42:48] <Tom_itx> prolly could dig out the mfm controller for it as well
[16:43:06] <OndraSter> I have got here two MFM controllers
[16:43:11] <OndraSter> but probably no working drives
[16:43:12] <OndraSter> MAYBE one
[16:43:20] <Tom_itx> no idea about the drives
[16:43:30] <jadew> OndraSter, how come you have so much old hardware?
[16:43:35] <Horologium> put an rll controller on an mfm drive and double the drive size!
[16:43:37] <OndraSter> because I AM POOR!
[16:43:39] <Tom_itx> he's a hoarder
[16:43:45] <OndraSter> haha
[16:43:52] <OndraSter> I got it when I was a child
[16:43:55] <OndraSter> I was really into hardware
[16:44:00] <OndraSter> so I picked up everything I could
[16:44:02] <OndraSter> and now nobody wants it
[16:44:06] <OndraSter> and I cannot throw it away
[16:44:11] <OndraSter> such awesome pieces of technology
[16:44:12] <Horologium> I need to clean out the basement...probably have that kind of gear down there somewhere.
[16:44:49] <OndraSter> also my uncle was working in some company
[16:44:54] <Tom_itx> my friend used to have an old 9 track
[16:44:55] <OndraSter> and they were often getting rid of old stuff
[16:44:59] <Tom_itx> not sure what he did with it
[16:45:23] <Tom_itx> you could probably put it all on a thumbdrive now
[16:45:36] <OndraSter> :P
[16:45:56] <OndraSter> of a size of a thumb
[16:46:26] <jadew> yeah, cuz if it was bigger you could probably fit all the info that existed up till the 90's in there
[16:46:50] <OndraSter> aye
[16:46:56] <OndraSter> microSDXC with the size of 64GB..
[16:47:26] <jadew> can't wait till I SSD drives drop in prices
[16:47:37] <jadew> one of my RAID 1 hdds failed last week
[16:47:38] <OndraSter> I got 64GB SSD for my old tablet pc
[16:47:40] <OndraSter> yay
[16:47:51] <jadew> nice
[16:47:57] <Tom_itx> i have a small one but i'm not using it
[16:47:59] <OndraSter> that reminds me that I want to set up automatic backup of my visual studio, eagle and atmel studio folders
[16:48:02] <Tom_itx> 32g iirc
[16:48:04] <jadew> I'm just too cheap to buy a ssd right now
[16:48:06] <OndraSter> well
[16:48:21] <OndraSter> it has got IDE... but I needed another IDE drive for my grandpa's laptop
[16:48:24] <OndraSter> so I bought SSD for myself
[16:48:27] <OndraSter> and gave him my old HDD
[16:48:59] <OndraSter> it was 7200 RPM drive before so there is not much of a difference - but now I don't have to be scared to use it in a tram or bus...
[16:49:06] <OndraSter> it had*
[16:49:13] <Tom_itx> !seen abcminiuser
[16:49:14] <tobbor> abcminiuser was last seen in #avr on Oct 27 09:18 2012
[16:49:22] <Tom_itx> so has the boy checked out on us?
[16:49:26] <OndraSter> doubt it
[16:49:31] <OndraSter> just beer and work and gf
[16:49:33] <OndraSter> all together
[16:49:46] <Tom_itx> pick 2 but not all 3
[16:49:49] <OndraSter> I don't know what is the beer up the north
[16:49:51] <Tom_itx> they just don't all fit
[16:50:06] <OndraSter> I know that our country is the #1 in beer consumption per person
[16:50:16] <OndraSter> including babies and seniors.
[16:51:03] <OndraSter> too bad that all the nearest pubs have got only the "eurobeer" crap (beer that is exported to everywhere and is cheap and is awful)
[16:53:51] <jadew> this weekend I went to ireland and visited the guiness factory :D
[16:54:09] <jadew> had some beer right there, I bet it was original
[16:54:35] <jadew> must have been the "good stuff"
[16:55:16] <OndraSter> hehe
[16:55:52] <OndraSter> isn't ireland quite far away from you? :P
[16:56:05] <jadew> it is, almost a 4 hours flight
[16:56:10] <OndraSter> aye
[16:56:14] <OndraSter> I am looking about moving to the UK
[16:56:26] <jadew> it's great
[16:56:30] <OndraSter> I know!
[16:56:46] <jadew> lots of emigrants in London, so you'll fit just fine
[16:57:04] <OndraSter> :D
[16:57:05] <jadew> they're a very mixed bunch
[16:57:11] <OndraSter> I am not gypsy or arab or anything
[16:57:19] <OndraSter> not sure how many czechs are there
[16:57:46] <jadew> I was talking to a cab driver when I was visiting london and he said the english are way less rasist than other people
[16:58:02] <OndraSter> English are "classy people"
[16:58:05] <OndraSter> unless you hit the wrong spot :D
[16:58:07] <jadew> he said he first went to germany and he didn't feel as welcomed as he felt in england
[16:58:18] <jadew> (he was black, from somewhere in africa)
[17:00:12] <OndraSter> oh
[17:00:20] <OndraSter> so the HTC HD2 does have Atmega in it
[17:00:21] <OndraSter> ATmega88
[17:00:32] <OndraSter> it connects light sensor and such to the main CPU
[17:01:30] <jadew> nice
[17:01:37] <OndraSter> aye
[17:01:41] <OndraSter> now I want to work at HTCs...
[17:02:06] <jadew> doing what? light sensor firmware? :P
[17:02:24] <OndraSter> :D
[17:02:41] <jadew> I think the only coding they do is drivers for different OSes
[17:03:27] <OndraSter> still plenty enough
[17:03:27] <OndraSter> meh
[17:03:31] <OndraSter> I will go to work for Nokia
[17:04:19] <jadew> I'm gonna keep this as a hobby, don't want to ruin it
[17:05:18] <Tom_itx> good call
[17:05:47] <Tom_itx> i don't mind letting my hobbies pay for themselves though
[17:06:05] <jadew> yeah, I wouldn't mind that either
[17:06:23] <Tom_itx> it's how i got my cad cam software
[17:06:42] <Tom_itx> paid for itself within a year
[17:07:01] <jadew> I don't know what that does
[17:07:17] <Tom_itx> writes code for cnc machines
[17:07:23] <jadew> ah, neat
[17:07:33] <Tom_itx> ~6-8k at the time
[17:07:35] <Tom_itx> i forget
[17:07:39] <jadew> wow
[17:08:17] <Tom_itx> http://www.smartcamcnc.com/
[17:11:13] <jadew> looks like a lot of math
[17:11:24] <Tom_itx> i enjoy it
[17:12:38] <Tom_itx> it's not as fancy by today's standards
[17:13:10] <OndraSter> screw today's standards
[17:13:14] <OndraSter> people today use arduino
[17:13:18] <OndraSter> so who are they to judge!
[17:13:19] <w|zzy> :|
[17:13:50] <Tom_itx> i wish it would handle 5 axis machining
[17:13:58] <OndraSter> 5 axis
[17:14:02] <OndraSter> Dear Physics
[17:14:12] <Tom_itx> it's fun to watch em run
[17:14:17] <OndraSter> Where are the 4th and 5th axis'?
[17:14:19] <OndraSter> Thanks, Andrew
[17:14:32] <Tom_itx> generally rotary
[17:14:35] <OndraSter> oh
[17:14:37] <Tom_itx> unless the mill head moves
[17:14:38] <jadew> OndraSter, angles
[17:14:42] <OndraSter> I see
[17:15:06] <OndraSter> I will build small pick and place machine for myself though. Two overclocked steppers from scanner... :D
[17:15:30] <Tom_itx> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kddPuLSaOjQ
[17:16:46] <Tom_itx> that may not be the best exmple
[17:17:10] <jadew> it's pretty cool tho
[17:17:22] <Tom_itx> yeah about halfway thru they start milling
[17:17:23] <jadew> you can probably build yourself a new engine for your car with that
[17:17:35] <Tom_itx> easily
[17:17:45] <jadew> or for your plane... since it looks it can do pretty big sizes
[17:17:59] <Tom_itx> OndraSter, figure that math for me mkay?
[17:19:29] <Tom_itx> jadew, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsmiIeAkE-o&feature=related
[17:19:53] <OndraSter> the first video is awesome :D
[17:20:05] <OndraSter> OMG MATH
[17:20:06] <OndraSter> nothx
[17:20:08] <Tom_itx> that's what 5 axis do
[17:22:01] <OndraSter> holy crap
[17:22:02] <OndraSter> that is awesome
[17:22:05] <OndraSter> I want such toda
[17:22:06] <OndraSter> toy
[17:22:35] <Tom_itx> gimme about half mil and you can have one
[17:22:37] <OndraSter> why are they using milk as the cooling thing?
[17:22:38] <jadew> I guess it costs in the hundreds of thousands
[17:22:38] <OndraSter> :D
[17:22:44] <Tom_itx> water based coolant
[17:22:47] <Tom_itx> not milk
[17:22:56] <Tom_itx> the concentrate is blue
[17:22:58] <jadew> I think it might have sand in it
[17:23:03] <Tom_itx> no
[17:23:05] <jadew> to polish it as well
[17:23:11] <OndraSter> oh
[17:23:13] <Tom_itx> just chips
[17:23:17] <OndraSter> I am used to using some oil
[17:23:24] <OndraSter> when we were doing this on machines manually
[17:23:26] <OndraSter> back on middle schol
[17:23:27] <OndraSter> school
[17:23:30] <OndraSter> 1/3rd of a year
[17:23:31] <Tom_itx> we always used water based coolant
[17:23:38] <jadew> I see
[17:23:40] <Tom_itx> or dry
[17:23:42] <Tom_itx> with carbide
[17:23:49] <Tom_itx> just depends
[17:25:02] <karlp> heh, flick back to see carbide and water in the same couple of sentences...
[17:25:13] <karlp> I'm presuming drillbits, not solid :)
[17:25:20] <Tom_itx> solid
[17:25:28] <Tom_itx> or inserts
[17:26:02] <Tom_itx> i saw my bud the other day and he said that's about all they use nowdays
[17:26:52] <karlp> what, carbide as a milling coolant?
[17:27:07] <OndraSter> I can't imagine somebody going "OH SHI-" when he realizes he made one hole a bit bigger (in that V8 video)
[17:27:10] <karlp> oh. different carbides I guess.
[17:27:17] <Tom_itx> or different materials
[17:27:26] <Tom_itx> it just depended what we were cutting
[17:27:29] <jadew> OndraSter, hehe, was thinking about the same thing
[17:27:34] <Tom_itx> carbide does well dry
[17:27:35] <karlp> I'm used to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calcium_carbide, which I can't imagine cutting anythign with :)
[17:27:49] <Tom_itx> tungsten carbide
[17:27:57] <jadew> OndraSter, messing up such a big chunk of metal can't be cheap
[17:28:01] <karlp> yeah, realized I was probably lost in the wrong direction :)
[17:28:01] <OndraSter> yep
[17:28:11] <Tom_itx> jadew, you watchin the engine one?
[17:28:19] <jadew> yeah
[17:28:29] <Tom_itx> we milled some blocks about that size of solid titanium
[17:28:44] <OndraSter> holy crap.
[17:28:45] <Tom_itx> for landing gear trailing links
[17:28:49] <jadew> I think I'm gonna get one of this machines and I'm gonna start building knock off ferraries
[17:28:54] <OndraSter> :D
[17:28:56] <Tom_itx> prototypes before the forgings were done
[17:31:15] <jadew> how do they clean the room when it's done?
[17:31:22] <jadew> is there some shower mechanism in place?
[17:31:37] <Tom_itx> it's fully enclosed
[17:32:04] <Tom_itx> with side and front doors for access
[17:32:05] <jadew> yeah, but that enclosure, has to be cleaned somehow
[17:32:21] <Tom_itx> it all flushed out the bottom
[17:32:22] <OndraSter> heh the program ran 119 hours
[17:32:26] <Tom_itx> usually a conveyor
[17:32:46] <Tom_itx> OndraSter, the Ti parts i think ran all week on ours
[17:32:50] <OndraSter> :)
[17:33:16] <jadew> ah... so it might be cheapper to just buy a ferrari, electricity wise
[17:33:23] <OndraSter> yep
[17:33:53] <Tom_itx> well if you just want one probably so
[17:34:45] <OndraSter> with this machine
[17:34:48] <OndraSter> you could build such machine!
[17:35:40] <jadew> screw maker bot, eh?
[17:35:42] <OndraSter> Replicators
[17:35:42] <OndraSter> yep
[17:35:48] <OndraSter> StarGate replicators.
[17:36:07] <Tom_itx> OndraSter, this was my bud's shop before he retired: http://clearwateren.com/
[17:36:13] <jadew> oh yeah, if this thing could build the replicator queen, I'd get one
[17:36:33] <OndraSter> actually I am wondering if one could design such product that would be able to work "when built any way"
[17:36:37] <OndraSter> wow Tom_itx
[17:36:52] <Tom_itx> i've programmed and run most of those
[17:36:52] <OndraSter> jadew, all sensors on all boards
[17:37:08] <OndraSter> then they would talk between each other to figure out which ones are legs, ..
[17:37:13] <OndraSter> damn
[17:37:19] <OndraSter> now I won't be able to sleep
[17:37:21] <Tom_itx> http://clearwateren.com/gallery.php
[17:37:23] <OndraSter> and will have to think about it :(
[17:37:38] <Tom_itx> the 3rd part over under Titanium was the trailing link i talked about
[17:37:56] <OndraSter> http://clearwateren.com/images/IMG_39230000.jpg
[17:37:58] <OndraSter> this one?
[17:38:07] <OndraSter> just wanted to ask about how do you mill out the internal hole..
[17:38:09] <OndraSter> bent one!
[17:38:12] <Tom_itx> yeah
[17:38:18] <Tom_itx> slowly
[17:38:29] <Tom_itx> we used drills with insert cutters
[17:38:32] <OndraSter> oh
[17:38:33] <Tom_itx> like 3"
[17:38:47] <Tom_itx> they don't go all the way thru
[17:38:51] <Tom_itx> just lightening holes
[17:38:58] <OndraSter> so you are working in machining industry I presume
[17:39:00] <Tom_itx> maybe 6" or so deep
[17:39:05] <Tom_itx> not now
[17:39:11] <Tom_itx> i just helped him part of the time
[17:39:38] <Tom_itx> but i enjoyed it so i didn't mind
[17:39:38] <OndraSter> still awesome
[17:39:42] <OndraSter> who wouldn't :)
[17:39:58] <Tom_itx> it's a step down to my sherline for sure
[17:39:59] <OndraSter> who would mind it*
[17:42:20] <Tom_itx> get some training and go for it
[17:43:13] <Tom_itx> gotta run..
[17:43:36] <OndraSter> I am going to sleep
[17:43:37] <OndraSter> gn
[17:52:23] <jadew> night, I'm gonna see what's wrong with my hdd and format it in case I have to return it for warranty
[17:52:28] <jadew> ttyl
[18:16:08] <Malinuss> hello
[18:16:09] <tobbor> Hello Malinuss
[18:17:40] <Malinuss> so yeah. I feel like a retard. Can't even make a LED turn on/off as expect. Maybe it's just late and I need some sleep.
[18:17:45] <Malinuss> this is my code: http://pastebin.com/gpgqxMWF
[18:17:59] <Malinuss> and the datasheet says:
[18:18:00] <Malinuss> If PORTxn is written logic one when the pin is configured as an output pin, the port pin is driven
[18:18:00] <Malinuss> high (one). If PORTxn is written logic zero when the pin is configured as an output pin, the port
[18:18:00] <Malinuss> pin is driven low (zero).
[18:18:12] <Malinuss> oh shit
[18:18:13] <Malinuss> sorry
[18:18:14] <Malinuss> never mind
[18:18:19] <Malinuss> yes I was retarded.
[18:18:22] <Malinuss> goodnight
[18:18:24] <Malinuss> ;D
[18:18:26] * karlp quacks like a rubber duck
[18:18:33] <karlp> glad it worked :)
[18:18:49] <Malinuss> not sure I wan't to admit what I did <.<
[18:18:57] <Malinuss> *want
[18:19:45] <Malinuss> nah you guys need a good laugh
[18:20:57] <Malinuss> so the LED was com. anode, and I couldn't figure out why it turn on when the pin was low... <.<
[18:21:02] <Malinuss> haha
[18:21:18] <Malinuss> I sure feel retarded
[19:21:14] <Malinuss> anyone on this channel at this time of day?
[20:19:15] <Tom_itx> Malinuss, am now
[20:41:19] <jadew> hey, what's the cheappest avr with usb?
[20:43:24] <Tom_itx> probably an xmega
[20:43:32] <Tom_itx> ask OndraSter
[20:43:41] <jadew> he's sleeping
[20:44:01] <Tom_itx> atmega8u2
[20:44:09] <Tom_itx> you want host?
[20:44:15] <Tom_itx> the 1287 is the only host
[20:44:28] <Tom_itx> 1286 is otg no host
[20:44:38] <jadew> what's OTG?
[20:44:48] <Tom_itx> on the go
[20:44:49] <jadew> I want client I guess
[20:45:09] <Tom_itx> i got a little u2 board for 15
[20:45:26] <jadew> I have 2 x 32u2 in here
[20:45:34] <jadew> but I was wondering if I can do cheapper than that
[20:45:41] <Tom_itx> no idea
[20:45:47] <Tom_itx> not that i could find anyway
[20:46:12] <jadew> I mean you can get the pic18f14k50 for $1.5 or so
[20:46:42] <jadew> that makes the cheappest avr with usb about twice as expensive