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[00:23:30] <Casper> hmm I wonder
[00:24:03] <Casper> avr use fet... are the values of those fet RSon precise? or vary widelly?
[01:36:18] <creep> Horologium<< so let's say if you have a grenade with 0.1s timer delay you throw it away with 20m/s average speed instantly after release, the grenade flies 2 meters before exploding ;/
[02:47:25] <megal0maniac> theBear: So I had a look. The panel consists of a "Hex schmitt trigger", two multiplexers and two shift registers. Seemingly random voltages between gnd and each of the 8 matrix pins (it's a 4x4 button panel)
[02:48:12] <megal0maniac> Going out of the panel are 4 wires. Red and black give me ~13V. The 3rd one was 9.something and the other was 3.something. Again, seemingly random
[02:48:35] <megal0maniac> I was thinking resistor ladder, but the gaps between voltages on the matrix aren't regular
[02:51:02] <creep> ok
[02:53:19] <megal0maniac> creep: That thing about the grenade flying 2m. That implies that you are capable of pulling the pin and throwing without so much as 50ms in between. Unlikely :)
[02:54:05] <creep> 2m is not enouhg btw
[02:54:25] <creep> you'd like >5m i think while you are on the ground
[02:54:44] <megal0maniac> 1m even less so :P
[02:56:38] <megal0maniac> I want to invest in a debugger. Should I just get the dragon, or is it worth saving up for the jtagice3?
[02:56:56] <megal0maniac> Am I going to regret getting the dragon later?
[03:21:53] <megal0maniac> The Dragon works out to less than half the price
[03:21:59] <megal0maniac> of the jtagice3
[03:22:17] <megal0maniac> Is the jtagice3 worth it?
[03:22:50] <creep> is it free ?
[03:24:21] <megal0maniac> Works out to about USD156 with shipping and taxes
[03:24:31] <megal0maniac> So no
[03:25:52] <megal0maniac> Dragon is USD67
[03:29:17] <megal0maniac> The Dragon looks like the logical choice. But if I get it, there's no way I'll be able to get the jtagice for quite a while. I'm trying to make sure that I'm not missing out on anything, so I get it right the first time.
[03:30:11] <creep> i don't feel like i need debuggers for my own work
[03:31:20] <megal0maniac> This is more of an educational venture for me
[03:31:43] <megal0maniac> Hopefully it will turn into work in the future, but for now, I'm just learning
[03:55:08] <Richard_Cavell> Hola everyone
[03:55:12] <Richard_Cavell> What you all doing?
[03:57:07] <creep> creeping around ?
[03:59:26] <tld> *yawn*
[03:59:28] <tld> morning
[04:03:56] <OndraSter> mornin
[04:04:03] <OndraSter> I got home after 0300
[04:04:08] <OndraSter> bloody night public transport
[04:04:15] <OndraSter> it works fairly reliable
[04:04:21] <OndraSter> but does not go as far as where I live.
[04:04:37] <OndraSter> and drives through every bloody part of the city
[04:04:47] <OndraSter> I should have gone by car :(
[04:20:43] <megal0maniac> Mornin'
[04:20:57] <OndraSter> mornin
[04:21:20] <megal0maniac> I drove to work. Only to find that they'd forgotten that I was coming, and so apparently I'm not needed until tomorrow :/
[04:21:28] <OndraSter> eh
[04:21:33] <OndraSter> today's work done!
[04:21:39] <OndraSter> I like such days
[04:21:46] <megal0maniac> So I came home. Tomorrow's work awaits!
[04:21:55] <megal0maniac> Thing is I don't get paid to drive there and back :P
[04:22:14] <OndraSter> oh
[04:22:15] <OndraSter> fail
[04:22:33] <megal0maniac> Yeah, get paid per day kind of thing
[04:22:53] <megal0maniac> For this, anyway. My day job works differently (which is ironically a night job :))
[04:26:38] <megal0maniac> So. Dragon or JTAGICE3? Dragon works out to $67. JTAGICE3 works out to $156
[04:28:06] <megal0maniac> Is it worth waiting and saving up for jtagice?
[04:28:33] <megal0maniac> Will I regret getting the Dragon later?
[04:37:14] <OndraSter> I have not so far
[04:52:01] <inflex> megal0maniac: not likely, it's a useful multipurpose device
[04:54:57] <OndraSter> Dragon can do more than JTAGICE3
[04:55:02] <OndraSter> except TPI I think
[04:59:01] <megal0maniac> What can't it do with TPI?..
[05:02:09] <OndraSter> nothing
[05:02:10] <OndraSter> :)
[05:02:17] <OndraSter> well, it can't do anything*
[05:02:24] <OndraSter> bloody double negative
[05:02:42] <megal0maniac> Oh. I thought it supported TPI :/
[05:02:47] <OndraSter> Dragon does not as of now
[05:02:55] <megal0maniac> But I guess it doesn't matter if your target has JTAG
[05:02:56] <OndraSter> your U2S does though
[05:03:03] <OndraSter> TPI is used only on the tiniest chips
[05:03:10] <OndraSter> which do not have debug.
[05:03:15] <megal0maniac> RAGE!
[05:03:21] <megal0maniac> TPI/PDI confusion again
[05:03:28] <OndraSter> :D
[05:03:45] <megal0maniac> I don't mind not having TPI. PDI, though?
[05:03:54] <OndraSter> works with xboard coco
[05:04:15] <megal0maniac> All that matters right now :)
[05:10:11] * megal0maniac just took the keycaps off a laptop keyboard to clean it.
[05:10:21] * megal0maniac considers putting them back in dvorak :)
[05:10:47] <OndraSter> eh
[05:10:56] <OndraSter> and install linux as your primary OS as well!
[05:11:04] <OndraSter> while you are at it
[05:11:12] <megal0maniac> Isn't my laptop :P
[05:11:16] <megal0maniac> That's the point
[05:39:12] <OndraSter> hmm the LCD does not work with new caps on the output (they were bulged, it is also LG so I was fairly confident it would be that)
[05:39:14] <OndraSter> but it still does not work!
[05:39:26] <OndraSter> so I think I will get an HP adapter (90 or 130W, 19V)
[05:39:36] <OndraSter> then build small board which outputs 15V and 5V (two SMPS)
[05:39:44] <OndraSter> and then buy this
[05:39:44] <OndraSter> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1pc-4-Lamp-Backlight-Universal-Laptop-LCD-CCFL-Inverter-10-28V-For-15-22-Screen-/170897261866?pt=US_Laptop_Screens_LCD_Panels&hash=item27ca45452a
[05:39:59] <OndraSter> problem solved *washes hands*
[05:40:33] <megal0maniac> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1pc-4-Lamp-Backlight-Universal-Laptop-LCD-CCFL-Inverter-10-28V-For-15-22-Screen-/170897261866?pt=US_Laptop_Screens_LCD_Panels&hash=ite
[05:40:53] <megal0maniac> I'm having one of those days. Sorry
[05:41:04] <OndraSter> I am not sure how much power it draws, but just the board on both 5V and 15V together takes less than 1Amp. Not sure how much takes the panel itself though
[05:41:32] <megal0maniac> Wow. Cheap inverter
[05:41:54] <OndraSter> ye
[05:41:58] <OndraSter> 4 CCFLs
[05:42:04] <OndraSter> can't get much better than that :P
[05:42:30] <megal0maniac> I have a laptop with a keyboard which only works with some keys, and sometimes the key you do push gets stuck, and it's just not happy. Remove the center screw that's holding it down and it works beautifully.
[05:42:34] <megal0maniac> WTF?
[05:42:53] <OndraSter> last time I probed in the original power board the output 5V and 15V were doing sinus with about 2 seconds period
[05:43:16] <OndraSter> and then I blew the fuse when I accidentaly touched the scope's gnd (earth) to live :P
[05:43:35] <megal0maniac> Heh :)
[05:43:37] <megal0maniac> Whoops
[05:43:58] <megal0maniac> As soon as you tighten the screw, the keyboard stops working.
[05:44:13] <OndraSter> eh
[05:44:25] <OndraSter> sounds like some internal cold joint
[05:44:27] <OndraSter> or cracked board
[05:44:45] <OndraSter> and why for the hell has it 3.15A fuse ?!
[05:44:47] <OndraSter> on the input
[05:44:53] <OndraSter> when it is like 45W tops
[05:45:05] <OndraSter> I somewhere had complete service manual which had even schematics
[05:45:07] <OndraSter> WITHOUT POWER SUPPLY
[05:45:12] <OndraSter> because PSU was outsourced from LG
[05:45:16] <OndraSter> to somebody else
[05:45:36] <OndraSter> YUYANG TELECOM CO. LTD
[05:45:43] <megal0maniac> I'll just leave the screw out and recommend they buy a new keyboard (just so they can't way I didn't tell them) :)
[05:45:49] <megal0maniac> That's not uncommon though.
[05:45:59] <megal0maniac> (Outsourcing)
[05:46:31] <OndraSter> hah somebody was fixing this power supply too
[05:46:40] <OndraSter> he changed also the main SMPS controller, two transistors
[05:46:42] <megal0maniac> There was a stage when I heard that most companies used Samsung LCD panels
[05:46:45] <OndraSter> and yet still half of it wasn't working
[05:46:49] <OndraSter> CAN'T BE BOTHERED WITH THIS CRAP
[05:46:59] <megal0maniac> Favour?
[05:49:33] <OndraSter> http://north.pl/karta/6871tpt318g-modul-zasilacza-lg,292705,9759800.html
[05:49:34] <OndraSter> wow
[05:49:38] <OndraSter> I found the same PSU
[05:49:48] <OndraSter> but I WON'T BOTHER MYSELF WITH IT
[05:50:52] <megal0maniac> Are you doing someone a favour?
[05:50:58] <megal0maniac> Or scoring a TV for yourself?
[05:50:59] <OndraSter> myself
[05:51:08] <OndraSter> I will probably give it to my mum to replace her old CRT TV :P
[05:52:42] <RikusW> hi megal0maniac
[05:52:59] <RikusW> Steffann: just got the xmega128A1's PDI working :)
[05:53:01] <megal0maniac> Hey Rikus
[05:53:31] <RikusW> megal0maniac: seems you're ignorant enough to try things that shouldn't be done :-P
[05:53:56] <RikusW> I overclocked a U2S like you did and used a 270 Ohm resistor, now I got PDI working :)
[05:54:13] <RikusW> at last :)
[05:54:31] <RikusW> I though there was something wrong with the 128A1's PDI port....
[05:54:50] <RikusW> seems its just the dargon's business policies... :S
[05:55:03] <RikusW> *AVRDragon
[05:55:24] <OndraSter> will see with my xboard ultra :P
[05:55:25] <OndraSter> with a1u
[05:55:45] <RikusW> dragon might work with the U version
[05:56:09] <RikusW> even with AS5 fw it refuses to connect to 128A1 PDI, JTAG is fine
[05:56:14] <OndraSter> I don't get how it can not work
[05:56:19] <OndraSter> it is using the same code as jtagice mkii
[05:56:21] <RikusW> unless someone disables JTAGEN...
[05:56:22] <OndraSter> or should
[05:56:33] <RikusW> Atmell business policy ?
[05:56:39] <OndraSter> lol
[05:57:07] <RikusW> or some weird electrical incompatibility, though I doubt that...
[05:57:24] <OndraSter> megal0maniac, remember to put into the bootstrap of the xduino code to disable JTAG :P
[05:57:37] <RikusW> megal0maniac: I couldn't get it to work with the level translator either....
[05:57:45] <RikusW> will investigate a bit later
[05:58:20] <RikusW> but it seems that the logic levels is incorrect after going through that translator
[05:58:30] <OndraSter> are* :)
[05:58:30] <RikusW> *are
[05:58:38] <RikusW> beat you :-P
[05:58:46] <OndraSter> zlog
[05:58:57] <OndraSter> you did not, sir
[05:59:10] <RikusW> (12:52:05 PM) RikusW: *are
[05:59:11] <RikusW> (12:52:06 PM) OndraSter: are* :)
[05:59:14] <RikusW> on my side
[05:59:16] <OndraSter> that is your log
[05:59:21] <OndraSter> you need 3rd party :)
[05:59:23] <OndraSter> check the zlog
[05:59:23] <RikusW> internet latencies...
[05:59:35] <OndraSter> that's why there is 3rd party involved :P
[05:59:49] <RikusW> lets call it a tie...
[05:59:55] <OndraSter> no
[06:00:05] <RikusW> probably typed it at the same time
[06:00:11] <OndraSter> but i was first :D
[06:00:19] * OndraSter likes winning
[06:00:31] <megal0maniac> OndraSter wins. Sorry :)
[06:00:34] <RikusW> if it makes you happy ;)
[06:00:39] <megal0maniac> ALTHOUGH
[06:00:39] <OndraSter> it does! :D
[06:01:34] <megal0maniac> 6.5s to ping RikusW
[06:01:44] <RikusW> ugh
[06:01:49] <megal0maniac> 0.28s to OndraSter
[06:02:31] <megal0maniac> I deem it a tie
[06:02:37] <OndraSter> heh
[06:03:24] <RikusW> megal0maniac: at least you got PDI to work :)
[06:04:44] <megal0maniac> RikusW: You too :) There's something funny about the way the pins are being driven. Or maybe just the fact that they're tied together and pulled high, because CLK gets through but PDI doesn't
[06:05:12] <RikusW> yeah
[06:05:28] <RikusW> will have a closer look at a later time, for now it works :)
[06:05:43] <megal0maniac> And there's less wiring involved :)
[06:06:22] <RikusW> OndraSter: the AS complains about not being able to set the emulator mode, meaning it can't set the mode to PDI
[06:06:41] <RikusW> wonder how much fw code went into detecting unsupported AVR's ;)
[06:07:08] * RikusW wants the dragon fw sources :-D
[06:07:20] <OndraSter> :D
[06:07:30] <RikusW> even the hex will help
[06:07:44] <OndraSter> isn't it somehow encoded or something?
[06:07:48] <RikusW> though that will be time consuming to understand
[06:07:58] <RikusW> AES afaik
[06:08:05] <OndraSter> could be
[06:08:40] <RikusW> I think the JTAGICE mki and STK500 is DES, but AVRProg decrypts it on the PC side
[06:09:06] <RikusW> so much for security, now I have both mki and stk fw
[06:09:15] <OndraSter> :)
[06:09:24] <OndraSter> but I heard they were made hard to disassemble
[06:09:26] <RikusW> STK500 fw is exactly the same as AVRISP mki
[06:09:34] <megal0maniac> RikusW: The 32u2 is specced to run at 10.67mhz max at 3v3 :P
[06:09:38] <RikusW> compiler optimizations
[06:09:42] <OndraSter> megal0maniac, did you do the math?
[06:09:47] * megal0maniac nods
[06:09:48] <OndraSter> heh
[06:09:57] <OndraSter> it is not linear
[06:09:59] <OndraSter> well
[06:10:01] <RikusW> so pushing it 5MHz isn't that much
[06:10:01] <OndraSter> datasheet says it is
[06:10:04] <megal0maniac> The graph is
[06:10:13] <OndraSter> pushing it 50%*
[06:10:30] <RikusW> seems to work ok
[06:10:37] <OndraSter> yeah
[06:10:47] <OndraSter> megas specced at 20MHz that are in the uzebox are OCed to 28.something MHz
[06:10:48] <RikusW> so 5V and 24MHz ?
[06:10:52] <RikusW> how about 32 ?
[06:10:54] <OndraSter> :)
[06:11:02] <OndraSter> xmega with 3.5V, under LN2
[06:11:06] <OndraSter> how about 100MHz.
[06:11:13] <megal0maniac> Those are the atmega644p's
[06:11:15] <RikusW> thats pushing it
[06:11:17] <OndraSter> ye
[06:11:20] <megal0maniac> The 1284s can't do it
[06:11:22] <OndraSter> RikusW, I SAID LN2
[06:11:29] <OndraSter> megal0maniac, eh
[06:11:38] <OndraSter> I wonder what has changed so it can do much higher speeds
[06:11:40] <OndraSter> on mega vs xmega
[06:11:43] <OndraSter> still about the same core
[06:11:46] <RikusW> LN2 ?
[06:11:48] <OndraSter> or did they completely revamp it
[06:11:53] <OndraSter> Liquid Nitrogen :)
[06:11:56] <megal0maniac> Peripheral system?
[06:12:03] <OndraSter> I am talking about the code
[06:12:04] <OndraSter> core
[06:12:06] <RikusW> increased flash speed ?
[06:12:25] <megal0maniac> I know, but the other things used to be part of the core. Now it's *more* independant
[06:12:32] <RikusW> flash is the main bottleneck
[06:12:35] <megal0maniac> independent?
[06:12:51] * RikusW wants a SRAM based AVR
[06:13:10] <megal0maniac> RikusW: You can get an xboard ultra :P
[06:13:10] <RikusW> with flash for bootloading
[06:13:29] <RikusW> afaik xmega can't execute from ram ?
[06:13:35] <RikusW> only AVR32
[06:13:40] <OndraSter> aye
[06:13:47] <megal0maniac> Aw.
[06:13:52] <OndraSter> and xboard ultra won't be out till december
[06:14:03] <OndraSter> because atmel starts shipping those a1u chips on nov 15th supposedly
[06:14:08] <OndraSter> yet they are sending out samples already :D
[06:14:51] <megal0maniac> What are the primary differences between an A1U and an A3U chip?
[06:14:56] <OndraSter> pins
[06:14:57] <OndraSter> and EBI
[06:14:59] <OndraSter> and second DAC
[06:15:14] <OndraSter> *1 = 100pins, *3 = 64 pins, *4 = 44 pins
[06:15:18] <RikusW> 3U got less right ?
[06:15:20] <OndraSter> on ALL megas
[06:15:23] <OndraSter> xmegas*
[06:15:29] <OndraSter> does not matter which series
[06:15:42] <OndraSter> I want 0 though with 144 pins :)
[06:15:48] <OndraSter> and proper 16bit SDRAM controller
[06:15:59] <RikusW> OndraSter: is there any xboard mini's built already ?
[06:16:05] <OndraSter> no
[06:16:12] <OndraSter> and which ones - arduino or breadboard?
[06:16:12] <RikusW> and coco ?
[06:16:20] <OndraSter> coco is one waiting here :)
[06:16:22] <OndraSter> to be shipped
[06:16:26] <OndraSter> breadboard one
[06:16:27] <megal0maniac> to RikusW
[06:16:52] * RikusW is seriously considering that :)
[06:17:06] <RikusW> OndraSter: do you have a Skrill or Moneybookers account ?
[06:17:12] <megal0maniac> Send ALL the xboards to ZA :D
[06:17:17] <OndraSter> neither
[06:17:57] <RikusW> a MB account is fairly easy to create and well supported in EU
[06:18:06] <OndraSter> hmm
[06:18:08] * RikusW have to many troubles trying to get PP working
[06:18:17] <RikusW> *have had
[06:18:25] <megal0maniac> RikusW: You get my PM?
[06:18:49] <megal0maniac> Actually I don't even know why I sent it via PM :/
[06:18:52] <OndraSter> wtf, why does the TV have both i2c atmel eeprom and SPI eeprom?
[06:19:37] <RikusW> megal0maniac: seems I'll be sending the U2S money back to you then ? :-P
[06:19:51] <megal0maniac> OndraSter: Because, like me, they couldn't decide :P
[06:20:08] <RikusW> unless you're interested in one of those terminals ? and maybe another U2S ?
[06:20:47] <megal0maniac> RikusW: Haha :) I'm considering it, but I'm short on cash at the moment. And don't have space for a terminal, despite how much I want one :)
[06:21:01] <RikusW> its small
[06:21:15] <RikusW> say 35x35x15cm
[06:21:25] <OndraSter> wait
[06:21:25] <megal0maniac> What's the full model?
[06:21:27] <OndraSter> that small?!
[06:21:30] <RikusW> it needs a VGA screen
[06:21:33] <OndraSter> oh
[06:21:37] <RikusW> yes
[06:21:47] <OndraSter> I thought it was incl. the screen :P
[06:22:04] <OndraSter> hmmm I do wonder if I can feed the TV 19V instead 15V
[06:22:10] <OndraSter> it has got two SMPSs on the input on the 15V line
[06:22:16] <OndraSter> which are rated upto 23V
[06:22:21] * RikusW measures
[06:22:23] <OndraSter> and the cap(s) are 25 or 50V
[06:22:40] <OndraSter> ofc then also add SMPS for the 5V line since it has got LDOs
[06:22:40] <RikusW> 27x28x7cm
[06:22:46] <megal0maniac> Good grief
[06:22:51] <megal0maniac> What model is it though?
[06:23:44] <RikusW> weighs about 1.5kg
[06:23:57] <megal0maniac> RikusW: For now, I'll pass, but I'm doing a job this week and I don't know how much it's going to pay. So maybe we'll talk after that?
[06:24:01] <RikusW> Uniterm
[06:24:10] <RikusW> ok
[06:24:22] * RikusW have no idea what a uniterm is worth
[06:25:15] <megal0maniac> I can pay OndraSter, send you the PayPal receipt with the ZAR value, then you can EFT the amount and OndraSter will ship when I get proof of payment.
[06:25:30] <megal0maniac> I _think_ I trust you enough :P
[06:25:58] <RikusW> ok
[06:26:20] <megal0maniac> Must I go ahead? Is it xboard time?
[06:26:29] <RikusW> yes :)
[06:26:38] <RikusW> its about R260 - 270 right ?
[06:26:38] <megal0maniac> OndraSter: That sound good?
[06:26:48] <OndraSter> megal0maniac, yes
[06:26:52] <megal0maniac> I'll tell you in a second
[06:26:52] <OndraSter> I can ship it tomorrow
[06:28:17] <megal0maniac> Eh. Exchange rate :/
[06:28:21] <megal0maniac> R294.88
[06:28:52] <RikusW> seems ok
[06:29:21] <megal0maniac> That's final price. It was R277.55 when I did it
[06:31:01] <RikusW> nothing we can do about exchange rates
[06:31:15] <RikusW> megal0maniac: so do you want cash or moe U2S boards ?
[06:31:15] <megal0maniac> Except wait for tomorrow :P
[06:31:29] <RikusW> *more
[06:32:14] <OndraSter> hmm it has only 60W rated power requirements
[06:32:22] <OndraSter> I can buy any HP charger that is 65 - 95W :)
[06:32:24] <OndraSter> 90W
[06:32:29] <OndraSter> they are cheap (originals)
[06:33:21] <zump> does anyone have an example code for a continously streaming ADC using a circular buffer of some sort?
[06:40:48] <OndraSter> huhm?
[06:44:03] <OndraSter> hmm the TV has even serial port
[06:44:10] <OndraSter> but it hasn't got the db9 connector
[06:44:15] <OndraSter> nor max232 on the board
[06:44:33] <OndraSter> I do wonder if there is anything useful on the serial line :P
[06:45:55] <megal0maniac> OndraSter: You have mail
[06:46:20] <OndraSter> I see
[06:46:23] <OndraSter> I received three at once :P
[06:46:26] <OndraSter> phone rang once
[06:46:31] <OndraSter> PO Box, RikusW ?
[06:46:36] <megal0maniac> Popluar guy
[06:46:54] <OndraSter> no, two were from ebay because I have ordered the CCFL supply
[06:46:58] <OndraSter> :P
[06:47:04] <OndraSter> I wish I were popular!
[06:47:28] <megal0maniac> But you go to parties with girls :P
[06:47:32] <OndraSter> so?
[06:47:36] * megal0maniac wolf whistles
[06:47:40] <OndraSter> :D
[06:55:35] * megal0maniac sets CTS bit @ OndraSter :P
[06:55:41] <OndraSter> CTS?
[06:55:51] <megal0maniac> Clear To Send :P
[06:56:01] <OndraSter> oh
[06:56:05] <OndraSter> rs232
[06:56:11] * megal0maniac nods
[06:56:12] <inflex> Tsk, set your RTS first :D
[06:56:19] <OndraSter> now I do wonder what is the rs232 on the LG LCD TV capable of
[06:56:46] <megal0maniac> Check the signal levels with a DMM and hook it up. You said the logic is working
[06:56:49] <RikusW> megal0maniac: so how long did you take to receive your xboard ?
[06:57:10] <megal0maniac> OndraSter: In case it wasn't clear, you can send the xboard to Rikus :P PO box is Post Office Box
[06:57:11] <OndraSter> 14 days
[06:57:14] <megal0maniac> RikusW: 13 days
[06:57:18] <OndraSter> megal0maniac, I know what is PO Box :)
[06:57:18] <megal0maniac> Boom.
[06:57:39] <OndraSter> and I figgured it from the name :P
[06:57:40] <megal0maniac> But < OndraSter> PO Box, RikusW ?
[06:57:46] <OndraSter> that it is RikusW 's address
[06:57:53] <OndraSter> yeah, was making sure that it was his address
[06:57:54] <megal0maniac> Ah.
[06:57:58] <OndraSter> and that he is really using PO Box :P
[06:58:06] <RikusW> indeed
[06:58:14] <RikusW> how else, I live on a farm
[06:58:24] <megal0maniac> Well, if you check Google Maps, you'll see how far his shipping address is from mine XD
[06:58:35] * megal0maniac promises it's legit
[06:58:36] <OndraSter> po box works on gmaps?
[06:58:45] <megal0maniac> Well, no.
[06:58:49] <megal0maniac> But the suburb
[06:58:51] <OndraSter> ah
[06:59:21] <RikusW> town..
[06:59:24] <OndraSter> anybody from europe wants something from mouser with cheap shipping?
[06:59:48] <RikusW> so it seems the first coco's sold will be both in SA now ;)
[06:59:55] <OndraSter> :D
[06:59:56] <OndraSter> yep
[07:01:16] <OndraSter> the TV has some big ass elytes and big ass inductors in the audio amp part
[07:01:19] <OndraSter> I wasn't expecting that
[07:01:23] <OndraSter> I was expecting something cheap :P
[07:01:27] <RikusW> seems thats the only way to get it over here too :-P
[07:02:00] <RikusW> RS won't import because of AES/DES import restrictions... :S
[07:02:05] <OndraSter> heh
[07:02:10] <OndraSter> I have to sign the paper, yes
[07:02:33] <RikusW> so instead it have to be smuggled :-P
[07:02:44] <OndraSter> it is US export law
[07:02:49] <OndraSter> so I can export it just fine
[07:02:53] <RikusW> like I'll be using the hw AES anytime soon...
[07:04:43] <OndraSter> hmm 0.81V feedback voltage
[07:06:35] <megal0maniac> What are we talking about with AES/DES?
[07:06:44] <megal0maniac> On the coco?
[07:06:52] <OndraSter> on any xboard
[07:07:07] <OndraSter> hmm 18.5V/3.5A
[07:07:26] <OndraSter> I think I won't be doing the 18.5V -> 15V SMPS because the input is rated 15V (18V)
[07:07:32] <OndraSter> and the SMPS on the input is upto 23V
[07:07:34] <OndraSter> => I am fine
[07:07:41] <OndraSter> just 5V one will be needed
[07:08:33] <RikusW> megal0maniac: RS wouldn't import a xmega32a4 for me because of import restrictions on the hw encryption modules on the xmega :S
[07:08:40] <megal0maniac> So the xmega254a3u can't technically be imported?
[07:08:50] <OndraSter> from the US - no
[07:08:51] <megal0maniac> *256
[07:08:58] <OndraSter> supposedly by RikusW
[07:09:01] <OndraSter> is ZAR on the black list?
[07:09:01] <RikusW> seems all xmegas have hw encryption
[07:09:05] <megal0maniac> Ah. Was starting to feel cool :)
[07:09:06] <OndraSter> ye
[07:09:11] <RikusW> don't think so
[07:09:35] <OndraSter> if it is not on the black list then you need to just sign the waver that you are not a terrorist
[07:09:37] <RikusW> megal0maniac: you can try ordering a xmega from RS, but rather email them about it first...
[07:09:53] <RikusW> I signed, still no luck :(
[07:10:06] <OndraSter> hmm
[07:10:15] <RikusW> The xmega was in Britian
[07:10:15] <megal0maniac> RikusW: I can't even make an LED blink on an xmega without help, yet :P I think I'm good with the xboard for now
[07:10:19] <megal0maniac> OndraSter:
http://www.dutycalculator.com/Hscodes/hs-code-for-macbook-air/
[07:10:30] <OndraSter> 404
[07:10:40] <OndraSter> this is not about taxes
[07:10:48] <megal0maniac> I know
[07:10:50] <RikusW> megal0maniac: xmega peripherals is more complicated yes....
[07:11:06] <RikusW> *are....
[07:11:43] <megal0maniac> But for the 60 countries which are listed, ZA is the only one which says "As per the Consolidated List of Prohibited and Restricted Imports, this product is subject to a Letter of Authorization (LOA) from the South African Bureau of Standards."
[07:11:58] <megal0maniac> The _ONLY_ country
[07:11:59] <OndraSter> http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-Pavilion-DV2000-Series-Laptop-DC-Power-Jack-Connector-Socket-PJ050-65W-/200822577707?pt=Laptop_Adapters_Chargers&hash=item2ec1f55a2b
[07:12:09] <OndraSter> why does it cost $3.05? :(
[07:12:31] * RikusW wonder what the SABS got to do with imports...
[07:12:54] <megal0maniac> OndraSter: Because it's special and shipping is free
[07:13:00] <OndraSter> :P
[07:13:11] <OndraSter> I knew I should have kept it from the dead laptop
[07:13:14] <OndraSter> but I sold it with the motherboard :(
[07:14:16] <megal0maniac> RikusW: Ek het jou e-pos gekry. Alles in Afrikaans :)
[07:14:22] <megal0maniac> Maar ek verstaan, mos.
[07:15:55] <OndraSter> https://m.ak.fbcdn.net/sphotos-d.ak/hphotos-ak-ash3/550964_277726422331449_705066233_n.jpg
[07:15:55] <OndraSter> lol
[07:19:43] <megal0maniac> I'd like a macbook air. But I'd never make a comment like that :P
[07:19:53] <megal0maniac> What's in the same league, but not mac?
[07:20:06] <OndraSter> define league
[07:20:14] <megal0maniac> i.e. size, weight and battery life as the 13.3"
[07:20:21] <OndraSter> hmm
[07:20:23] <OndraSter> hard to say
[07:20:29] <megal0maniac> HP comes to mind
[07:20:35] <Horologium> the new ultrabooks.
[07:20:47] <OndraSter> ye
[07:20:48] <Horologium> only thing is, they are in the same price range too.
[07:20:53] <OndraSter> I am waiting for surface pro myself though
[07:21:14] <OndraSter> and then for the jail
[07:21:18] <OndraSter> because I will rob the bank
[07:24:00] <megal0maniac> HP ProBook 4340s
[07:24:10] <megal0maniac> Looks pretty good
[07:24:29] <megal0maniac> The Folio 13 is a blatant rip off of macbook air, though
[07:24:46] <Horologium> only it doesn't run that crappy macos.
[07:25:52] <megal0maniac> :P
[07:26:04] <megal0maniac> I like OSX, but I'd still bootcamp it
[07:26:52] <RikusW> megal0maniac: yep, but you should understand right ? ;)
[07:27:29] <megal0maniac> RikusW: "Should", yes :P
[07:27:32] * RikusW wonders how well megal0maniac speaks Afrikaans ?
[07:27:35] <megal0maniac> Do I? Usually...
[07:27:45] <RikusW> if you do...
[07:29:14] <RikusW> megal0maniac: I just copy and pasted the email..
[07:29:35] <megal0maniac> I could figure out that much :)
[07:30:44] <RikusW> megal0maniac: so you have a mac around ?
[07:31:15] <RikusW> I would like to have macos running in a vm for porting apps
[07:31:39] <OndraSter> I do have macos in vm
[07:31:42] <OndraSter> but it always dies after a week
[07:31:48] <RikusW> or a hackintosh maybe
[07:32:08] <RikusW> OndraSter: so how did you get it ? torrents ?
[07:32:13] <OndraSter> ye
[07:32:16] <RikusW> and is it easy to install in a vm ?
[07:32:20] <OndraSter> vmware
[07:32:21] <OndraSter> just boot it up :)
[07:32:35] <OndraSter> there are both preinstalled images and installation isos
[07:32:42] <RikusW> how big is that torrent ?
[07:32:45] <OndraSter> duh
[07:32:53] <OndraSter> something like 3 - 7 GB :)
[07:33:39] <RikusW> is Xcode on there too ?
[07:33:52] <RikusW> or is it part of macos ?
[07:34:02] <OndraSter> no idea
[07:34:49] <megal0maniac> I've never gotten osx to run in a VM, but it's working perfectly on my PC :) Not a single piece of hardware doesn't work, except for wireless.
[07:34:55] <megal0maniac> Running Lion, as well.
[07:35:25] <RikusW> megal0maniac: how did you install it on a PC ?
[07:37:49] <megal0maniac> iAtkos. It's regular OSX, but includes drivers (or kexts) for standard x86 hardware
[07:38:26] <megal0maniac> On install, you select which drivers you need, in the same way you'd select language support in the original OSX
[07:39:13] <megal0maniac> Mountain Lion beta 2 is out already
[07:39:14] <RikusW> where did you get that ?
[07:39:22] <megal0maniac> Internet :)
[07:39:41] <RikusW> torrents again ?
[07:40:31] <megal0maniac> I think so, but only because they don't have server capacity to host the files
[07:40:49] <megal0maniac> It's a small group of people. Doesn't seem to have been any legal issues around it, yet.
[07:41:53] <megal0maniac> Only issue is that the drive I've installed it on is falling over, so I don't really use it :P
[07:42:31] <RikusW> failing ?
[07:43:05] <megal0maniac> Yeah...
[07:43:21] <megal0maniac> To be fair, it was given to me because it was "broken" :P
[07:43:27] <megal0maniac> But ran fine for over a year
[07:43:47] <Richard_Cavell> megal0maniac: Hiya
[07:44:20] <megal0maniac> Richard_Cavell: Hi
[07:45:17] <OndraSter> ...
[07:45:17] <OndraSter> hi
[07:45:27] <OndraSter> capnkernel couldn't take it :D
[07:45:35] <megal0maniac> OndraSter: Do you have a cat named "Coco?"
[07:45:55] <OndraSter> I don't have a cat
[07:45:59] <OndraSter> coco because the board is black :P
[07:46:07] <megal0maniac> And the cat? :)
[07:46:15] <OndraSter> just random
[07:46:21] <OndraSter> mini has a small dog
[07:46:26] <OndraSter> ultra will have probably lion :D
[07:46:31] <OndraSter> or rather not, apple could sue me!
[07:47:07] <megal0maniac> You'd better not put buttons on it...
[07:47:10] <megal0maniac> Apple uses those too
[07:47:15] <megal0maniac> And USB connectors
[07:47:17] <OndraSter> RESET BUTTON!
[07:47:18] <OndraSter> USB!
[07:47:20] <OndraSter> OMG
[07:47:21] <megal0maniac> And electricity
[07:47:24] <OndraSter> omgggggg
[07:47:26] <OndraSter> NOOOEESSS
[07:47:27] <RikusW> sue apple instead :-D
[07:48:04] <creep> do you like avr-gcc?
[07:50:12] <RikusW> me ? no not really
[07:59:05] <bg2bkk1> Mitch ,you're here
[07:59:20] <bg2bkk1> This my first time to use pidgin
[08:00:06] <megal0maniac> XD
[08:01:00] <CapnKernel1> bg2bkk1: Hi
[08:02:01] <bg2bkk1> hi
[08:02:02] <tobbor> hi bg2bkk1.
[08:02:41] <bg2bkk1> Hi,tobbor
[08:03:07] <bg2bkk1> could you tell me why I have a postfix after bg2bkk
[08:04:39] <CapnKernel1> bgbkk1: tobbor is a bot. If you just say "hi", he will say "hi" to you.
[08:04:48] <CapnKernel1> !seen atommann
[08:04:49] <megal0maniac> hi
[08:04:49] <tobbor> atommann was last seen in #avr on Jul 22 03:15 2012
[08:05:01] <bg2bkk1> Oh,it's cool
[08:05:02] <CapnKernel1> tobbor: !seen atommann
[08:05:13] <CapnKernel1> Hmm, why doesn't tobbor talk to me?
[08:05:43] <megal0maniac> char[0]=='!'
[08:05:46] <bg2bkk1> of course tobbor is talking with about atomman
[08:05:47] <CapnKernel1> Because IRC still thought you were logged in using the web IRC program.
[08:36:33] <RikusW> megal0maniac: I'm working on U2S_Settings right now
[08:38:51] <megal0maniac> Mode switching app?
[08:39:54] <OndraSter> duh, what the hell is "ACD_RST" line
[08:40:08] <OndraSter> it goes from the MCU
[08:40:10] <OndraSter> to the power supply
[08:40:22] <RikusW> megal0maniac: for changing eeprom values
[08:40:33] <OndraSter> and why the PSU has different pin outputs?!
[08:41:14] <Richard_Cavell> Okay dudes
[08:41:16] <Richard_Cavell> I'm tired now
[08:41:18] <Richard_Cavell> It's been fun
[08:41:30] <Horologium> but has it been real?
[08:41:46] <Richard_Cavell> It's been real fun
[08:46:05] <megal0maniac> RikusW: Nice. Was going to put something together in Java which just called avrdude commands, bu didn't get to it :)
[08:46:14] <megal0maniac> Richard_Cavell: And now?
[08:48:29] <RikusW> just doing it in a MFC dialog
[08:49:24] <megal0maniac> I would've used swing, which is pretty much the same idea
[09:31:00] <megal0maniac> Cheers, all
[10:08:40] <r0b-> i have an AVR STK500v2 close programmer and when i use avrdude to read my fuse on an Atmega328p... it says the chip ID is not correct
[10:09:09] <r0b-> it reads 0x0000 but the ID is something else
[10:09:30] <Tom_itx> maybe you need a firmware update on it
[10:09:36] <r0b-> ?
[10:09:48] <Tom_itx> or to add the 328p to avrdude.conf
[10:10:00] <r0b-> the 328p is listed...
[10:10:02] <Tom_itx> no, that wouldn't be it
[10:10:04] <Tom_itx> sry
[10:10:12] <r0b-> its an arduino...
[10:10:19] <Tom_itx> it's an avr
[10:10:23] <r0b-> yea
[10:10:32] <r0b-> but the chip has the arduino loader stuff
[10:10:32] <Tom_itx> with software on it
[10:10:47] <Tom_itx> won't change the signature
[10:11:12] <r0b-> hmmm
[10:11:16] <OndraSter> are you using some serial usb adapter?
[10:11:20] <OndraSter> or how do you interface to the stk500?
[10:11:35] <r0b-> its a buspirate flashed with the stk500v2 firmware
[10:12:28] <OndraSter> try lowering the isp speed
[10:12:39] <r0b-> how?
[10:12:39] <sirdancealot7> r0b-, bad contacts || bad clock source || ^
[10:12:44] <Tom_itx> -B
[10:12:48] <OndraSter> -b param I think
[10:12:48] <Tom_itx> -B32
[10:13:03] <r0b-> ill mess later...
[10:13:07] <r0b-> i dont feel like hooking it up
[10:13:17] <OndraSter> or did you take the mega from arduino?
[10:13:30] <r0b-> the mega is in the arduino board
[10:13:30] <Tom_itx> he said it's arduino
[10:13:35] <OndraSter> ok
[10:13:56] <r0b-> bbl
[10:33:06] <RikusW> megal0maniac_afk: just send you the app
[10:33:21] * RikusW hopes gmail don't block exe's again....
[10:35:11] <OndraSter> mehehe
[10:35:55] <RikusW> seems 7z hides it well enough zip didn't work last time
[10:41:19] <OndraSter> wait, gmail STILL blocks any archives with exes?
[10:42:33] <timemage> OndraSter, changing the extension, e.g., zip->zio should be enough to allow an archived exe through.
[10:42:47] <OndraSter> that doesn't answer my question - they STILL block it?!
[10:42:50] <OndraSter> omg
[10:43:02] <OndraSter> I haven't used gmail to send any exe recently really
[10:43:15] <timemage> OndraSter, i kind of thought two answers were given. but if you need to broken down, yes! they still block it.
[10:43:17] <OndraSter> I am now using hotmail and upload bigger stuff to my host
[11:26:47] <r0b-> hi me again
[11:26:54] <r0b-> this is what i get from my programmer
[11:26:56] <r0b-> http://paste.debian.net/197357/
[11:27:32] <OndraSter> -B32
[11:27:38] <r0b-> ok
[11:28:04] <r0b-> still gives the stk500v2_command errors
[11:28:42] <r0b-> it might be because its on an arduino board...
[11:28:51] <OndraSter> no
[11:28:57] <OndraSter> there is no reason for it
[11:29:07] <r0b-> it canot get the status of the programmer
[11:29:21] <r0b-> even though its an STK500v2
[11:29:44] <r0b-> let me reflash back to the original buspirate...
[11:29:45] <r0b-> brb
[11:37:27] <r0b-> it was the stk500v2 firmware for the asspirate/buspirate
[11:38:18] * r0b- flashed the original buspirate firmware and it works
[11:38:27] <r0b-> ill test with arduino
[11:42:17] <r0b-> and all owrks...
[11:52:02] <r0b-> yea thats pretty cool
[12:08:07] <r0b-> http://paste.debian.net/197379/
[12:08:10] <r0b-> thats using regular buspirate
[12:08:12] <r0b-> i think thats good
[12:08:36] <r0b-> what do you think
[12:10:08] <r0b-> hmm?
[12:18:06] <AR_> what would be wrong?
[12:18:07] <AR_> wtf
[12:18:54] <r0b-> no idea
[12:18:59] <r0b-> everything is connected right
[12:19:14] <AR_> is something not working or what
[12:19:23] <r0b-> no now its working
[12:19:32] * r0b- has a buspirate to program AVRs
[12:19:55] <r0b-> trying the STK500v2 clone firmware for the BusPirate causes it to not detect the chip right
[12:20:44] <r0b-> but running the BusPirate original firmware i can read the fuses and everything properly
[13:21:25] <RikusW> OndraSter: have you seen the kickstarter website yet ?
[13:21:39] <OndraSter> which one?
[13:21:54] <RikusW> for startup projects
[13:22:29] <RikusW> I think thrombocytopenia
[13:22:33] <RikusW> ugh
[13:22:37] <RikusW> www.kickstarter.com
[13:23:07] <RikusW> linux paste buffers remember stuff way too long even through reboots :-P
[13:25:16] <OndraSter> yeah, because one can start project on kickstarter outside the US :P
[13:31:18] <RikusW> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/printrbot/printrbot-your-first-3d-printer?ref=card
[13:46:07] <rue_house> where is the "buy device" for the $830k they were given, there should be a kit for sale
[13:46:29] <rue_house> he was just given 830k to makea reprap
[13:47:41] <rue_house> oh nevermind, I'm an idiot
[13:48:51] <rue_house> cant beleive how much people can charge for that stuff
[13:51:34] <RikusW> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/kenburns/tinyduino-the-tiny-arduino-compatible-platform-w-s?ref=category
[13:51:37] * RikusW runs
[13:53:26] <Kevin`> what's that need funding for?
[13:55:14] <RikusW> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/paulstoffregen/teensy-30-32-bit-arm-cortex-m4-usable-in-arduino-a?ref=search
[13:55:21] <RikusW> even teensy 3 is on there
[13:57:05] <Kevin`> I suppose that was a good choice financially, since he got $70k, and doesn't have to put up ANY money for a production run, but... unnecessary
[14:30:33] <r0b-> Tom_itx: ?
[14:30:37] <r0b-> you around
[14:37:55] <r0b-> im gonna try B 1
[14:37:57] <r0b-> brb
[14:38:44] <megal0maniac_afk> r0b-: What's up?
[14:40:36] <r0b-> playing
[14:41:11] <megal0maniac> You need help?
[14:41:38] <r0b-> nah
[14:41:40] <r0b-> not now
[14:42:07] <megal0maniac> Mkay
[14:42:36] <r0b-> yea :P
[14:42:41] <r0b-> im kinda doing my own thing
[14:43:21] <r0b-> grrr
[14:43:37] <r0b-> my AVR programmer is giving me invalid ID
[14:43:49] <megal0maniac> But
http://paste.debian.net/197379/
[14:43:53] <r0b-> yea
[14:44:02] <r0b-> thats if i use the Bus Pirate in raw form
[14:44:10] <r0b-> if i use the STK500v2 firmware...
[14:44:12] <r0b-> i get issues
[14:45:01] <r0b-> i get INVALID Signature
[14:45:15] <megal0maniac> Patient: "Doctor, it hurts when I do this." Doctor: "Then stop doing that"
[14:45:22] <r0b-> :|
[14:45:28] <r0b-> ok hank hill...
[14:45:53] <megal0maniac> i.e. if it works one way, and not another, then stop doing it the way that doesn't work
[14:46:09] <r0b-> yea
[14:46:12] <r0b-> i can bitbang...
[14:46:12] <r0b-> :P
[14:46:56] <megal0maniac> If it's reading the correct signature, then your connections are good. So if it can't read the sig with different firmware, then the firmware is doing something wrong
[14:47:00] <megal0maniac> Simple.
[14:47:32] <r0b-> yea
[14:48:33] <r0b-> its aggravating though
[14:50:45] <r0b-> i guess this will work
[14:50:46] <megal0maniac> r0b-: You should get one of these:
https://sites.google.com/site/megau2s/home
[14:51:13] <megal0maniac> Also multi-purpose, and can be used as 4 different kinds of AVR programmer
[14:51:20] <r0b-> neat but no
[14:51:20] <r0b-> :P
[14:51:40] <megal0maniac> STK500 ISP, STK500 HV, AVRISP MKII, JTAGICE MKI
[14:51:44] <r0b-> yea
[14:51:46] <r0b-> thats cool
[14:51:50] <r0b-> i got a buspirate
[14:52:03] <megal0maniac> That's exactly my point
[14:52:09] <r0b-> i know
[14:52:11] <megal0maniac> You have a _buspirate_
[14:52:57] <megal0maniac> Which is cool, it's just different
[14:55:05] <megal0maniac> jadew: How's the logic sniffer client coming along?
[14:55:33] <megal0maniac> r0b-: Also, it's PIC ;)
[14:55:54] <r0b-> yea
[14:56:08] <megal0maniac> But I quietly like PIC
[14:56:25] <r0b-> :P
[14:56:46] <r0b-> im just glad arduino/avr runs at 3v
[14:57:04] <megal0maniac> 1v8 even
[14:57:12] <megal0maniac> Depending on the chip
[14:57:21] <OndraSter> xboard runs natively at 3v3 :P
[14:57:55] * r0b- is poor
[14:58:14] <megal0maniac> r0b-: Just a word of warning, the Arduinos (except for the arduino mini and pro 3v versions) run at 16mhz, and the chips aren't rated to work at 16mhz with anything less than 4v5.
[14:58:27] <r0b-> yea
[14:58:35] <Roklobsta_> yeah you'll get about 11MHz I think at 3.3V
[14:58:37] <r0b-> hmmm
[14:58:51] <Roklobsta_> there is a chart with a V/Hz slope in the AVR docs
[14:58:56] <megal0maniac> 10.67mhz :P
[14:58:56] <r0b-> even with the 16mhz xtal?
[14:59:20] <megal0maniac> r0b-: No, it will run at 16mhz regardless of the voltage
[14:59:33] <megal0maniac> It just isn't guaranteed to work
[14:59:41] <r0b-> oh ok
[14:59:45] <megal0maniac> 4.5V minimum for 16mhz
[14:59:55] <Roklobsta_> be conservative and run the clock speed somewhere under the slope
[14:59:59] <r0b-> i dont think the BP will let me program fuzes.
[15:00:08] <r0b-> its an arduino board
[15:00:25] <Roklobsta_> AVR should work at 3.3V 16MHz. what is the problem? chip fabrication choice?
[15:01:04] <Roklobsta_> i have used 8051SoCs that work at 100MHz internally at 3.3V
[15:01:21] <r0b-> hmm
[15:01:57] <Roklobsta_> and because they were so fast they needed a code cache to avoid flash read stalls.
[15:02:49] <r0b-> well ill figure this out
[15:03:25] <r0b-> i mean it should work
[15:08:19] <r0b-> but it looks like i will need a real programmer to set this up for arduino...
[15:08:20] <r0b-> :P
[15:10:55] <megal0maniac> r0b-: What do you mean by "set this up?"
[15:11:55] <r0b-> well to set blank AVR chips
[15:12:14] <r0b-> but i can raw program with this
[15:12:19] <megal0maniac> r0b-: blank AVR chips need fuses changed.
[15:12:26] <r0b-> yea
[15:12:32] <megal0maniac> They come with ckdiv8 set, and the clock source is internal
[15:12:33] <r0b-> i dont think BP will let me
[15:12:54] <megal0maniac> You're on Windows, try Atmel Studio
[15:13:01] <r0b-> i will
[15:13:05] <r0b-> but i do use Linux...
[15:13:16] * r0b- is on SSH to IRC so
[15:13:22] <r0b-> atmel studio 6?
[15:13:27] <megal0maniac> "C:\Users\Dads"
[15:13:31] <megal0maniac> Yes
[15:13:45] <r0b-> :|
[15:13:48] <r0b-> :P
[15:13:49] <r0b-> eek
[15:13:52] <r0b-> stalker!
[15:14:12] <megal0maniac> I vaguely remember *you* posting the link
[15:14:17] <r0b-> i know
[15:14:20] <megal0maniac> I'm just attentive :)
[15:14:51] <r0b-> wow 750MB for Atmel Studio
[15:15:25] <r0b-> i do have winavr...
[15:16:13] <r0b-> hopefully the BP will work in raw mode
[15:16:17] <r0b-> not with the STK stuff
[15:16:23] <r0b-> i hate swapping
[15:17:31] <megal0maniac> -U lfuse:w:0xff:m -U hfuse:w:0xd4:m -U efuse:w:0xfe:m
[15:17:48] <r0b-> == bricked...
[15:17:49] <r0b-> :P
[15:17:58] <megal0maniac> Those are the fuses you want if you intend to flash optiboot bootloader
[15:18:13] <r0b-> i dont have a blank chip
[15:18:14] <r0b-> :P
[15:18:18] <megal0maniac> See for yourself:
http://www.engbedded.com/fusecalc/
[15:18:42] <Roklobsta_> yeah avs6 with sp1 is mage
[15:18:44] <Roklobsta_> mega
[15:18:59] <Roklobsta_> but i used it porperly last week for the first time and it's nice
[15:19:05] <megal0maniac> Roklobsta_: Have they bundled it yet? Or is it still 2 seperate downloads?
[15:19:12] <Roklobsta_> 2 seperate AFAIK
[15:19:21] <Roklobsta_> i am not sure if you can just do sp1 standalone
[15:19:24] <Roklobsta_> try it
[15:19:25] <megal0maniac> The programming dialog great.
[15:19:35] <r0b-> hmmm
[15:19:38] <Roklobsta_> yeah i love the smartsense or whatever it's called
[15:19:44] <megal0maniac> Roklobsta_: No, you can't. It's only 450mb odd, including ASF
[15:20:17] <Roklobsta_> it's just a shame avs6 can't be used in linux or mac
[15:20:40] <megal0maniac> Yeah... But that's because of the visual studio base they used. It's great, but...
[15:20:52] <megal0maniac> Something like Netbeans would've been better
[15:21:00] <megal0maniac> Not eclipse so much :P
[15:21:48] <Roklobsta_> i tried eclipse but it just shits me
[15:21:50] <r0b-> ugh
[15:22:02] <Roklobsta_> bloaty and slow
[15:22:04] <megal0maniac> Jack of all trades, and master of none
[15:22:12] <megal0maniac> Netbeans is impressive
[15:22:14] <r0b-> :P
[15:22:24] <Roklobsta_> i installed codewarrior but didn't use it yet
[15:22:31] <r0b-> ok what should my fuses be for optiboot?
[15:22:35] <Roklobsta_> codelight
[15:22:57] <megal0maniac> r0b-: What i posted a few lines up
[15:23:02] <r0b-> lfuse = FF.. hfuse = DA.. efuse reads 5
[15:23:58] <r0b-> as per AVRDUDE
[15:24:18] <megal0maniac> Roklobsta_: That's bigger boot section and 2v7 BOD instead of 1v8
[15:24:35] <megal0maniac> Roklobsta_: I didn't like codelite either
[15:24:47] <megal0maniac> Fail. First message @ r0b-
[15:24:55] <Roklobsta_> yeah mega fail
[15:25:06] <megal0maniac> :P
[15:25:13] <r0b-> so are my fuzes wrong?
[15:25:24] <megal0maniac> r0b-: They should still work
[15:25:28] <r0b-> they do
[15:25:28] <r0b-> :P
[15:25:50] <r0b-> its a factory programmed Arduino Uno 328
[15:25:53] <megal0maniac> You'll just have slightly less flash available for programs
[15:25:57] <megal0maniac> Ah.
[15:26:09] <r0b-> with the .5KB boot loader
[15:26:39] <megal0maniac> I swear mine had a 512 word...
[15:26:54] <megal0maniac> Anyway, flash optiboot and be done with it
[15:26:59] <r0b-> :P
[15:27:03] <r0b-> how!
[15:27:14] <r0b-> i am not gonna download atmel studio
[15:27:45] <megal0maniac> r0b-: arduino-1.0.1\hardware\arduino\bootloaders\optiboot\optiboot_atmega328.hex
[15:27:50] <megal0maniac> Flash that
[15:27:58] <megal0maniac> With avrdude
[15:28:17] <r0b-> do i have to change fuses?
[15:28:24] <megal0maniac> Nope
[15:28:40] <megal0maniac> Half the bootloader space will be empty, but you won't notice
[15:28:44] <megal0maniac> Those fuses are good
[15:28:48] <r0b-> ok
[15:29:13] <r0b-> so avrdude -c buspirate -P COM14 -p m328p -U flash:w:that.hex
[15:29:27] <megal0maniac> optiboot_atmega328-Mini is for the 3v3/8mhz version
[15:29:28] <megal0maniac> Yes.
[15:29:30] <megal0maniac> Do it.
[15:29:31] <Roklobsta_> oh which avrdude are you using? my win build?
[15:29:35] <r0b-> no
[15:29:57] <megal0maniac> Roklobsta_: Did you get that working?
[15:29:59] <r0b-> ok going...
[15:30:09] <Roklobsta_> get what working?
[15:30:28] <megal0maniac> avrdude. You asked me to download it, and I did, and it wouldn't execute
[15:30:28] <Roklobsta_> i think someone mentioned pthreads was missing
[15:30:32] <r0b-> woops got the flash wrong...
[15:30:36] <megal0maniac> That was me
[15:30:36] <Roklobsta_> yeah i will fix it this week
[15:30:43] <r0b-> does this overwrite a sketch or no?
[15:30:50] <megal0maniac> Haha
[15:30:51] <Roklobsta_> now i have cleared some more important life stuff out of the way
[15:30:52] <megal0maniac> Yes.
[15:30:58] <r0b-> uh
[15:31:01] <r0b-> writing 32kb?
[15:31:18] <megal0maniac> r0b-: No, but usually a chip erase occurs first
[15:31:21] <r0b-> is that normal
[15:31:27] <megal0maniac> Yip.
[15:31:38] <r0b-> why does it write 32kb?
[15:31:50] <megal0maniac> It doesn't.
[15:32:01] <megal0maniac> It will read 32kb when verifying
[15:32:03] <Roklobsta_> heh i should make an x86_64 version of avrdude
[15:32:06] <megal0maniac> (I think)
[15:32:08] <Roklobsta_> it'll work fatser
[15:32:21] <megal0maniac> Roklobsta_: But will it really?
[15:32:25] <Roklobsta_> no of course not
[15:32:26] <r0b-> avrdude: writing flash (32768 bytes)
[15:32:39] <Roklobsta_> good thing win64 runs win32 so well
[15:32:53] <megal0maniac> Roklobsta_: Only since Win7 in my experience
[15:33:00] <r0b-> gonna take awhile with this bitbang shit
[15:33:01] <r0b-> :P
[15:33:06] <r0b-> 2 minutes and 12%
[15:33:07] <Roklobsta_> i couldn't be arsed trying to make mingw64 work on my machine
[15:34:20] <r0b-> this is gonna take 20 minutes :P
[15:34:39] <Horologium> faster and faster computers, and they still take about the same amount of time to boot to usability that they did 10 or even 15 years ago.
[15:34:41] <megal0maniac> r0b-: Why are you flashing the bootloader? Didn't it come with one?
[15:34:52] <megal0maniac> Horologium: More and more stuff :P
[15:34:52] <r0b-> YOU told me too
[15:35:05] <r0b-> can i cancel or no?
[15:35:11] <megal0maniac> Noooo
[15:35:18] <megal0maniac> It's fine, let it finish
[15:35:20] * r0b- blows up megal0maniac
[15:35:25] * megal0maniac dies
[15:35:33] <r0b-> dont tell me to do shit
[15:35:34] <r0b-> :P
[15:35:43] <megal0maniac> I like that you do it
[15:35:52] <megal0maniac> I could have fun with this
[15:35:58] <r0b-> nope
[15:36:03] <r0b-> i dont do rm -rf /
[15:36:10] <megal0maniac> Next, we're going to flash the mega16u2
[15:36:16] <r0b-> NO
[15:36:17] <r0b-> :P
[15:36:19] <megal0maniac> It's important so you have to
[15:36:22] <r0b-> mine is a mega8u3
[15:36:24] <r0b-> mine is a mega8u2
[15:36:28] <r0b-> i dont have to do shit...
[15:36:30] <megal0maniac> Ah. Uno R2
[15:36:34] <Horologium> connect the inverted negative power inducer to the flux resistor.
[15:36:39] <r0b-> lol
[15:36:40] <r0b-> wtf
[15:36:41] <r0b-> R1
[15:36:50] <megal0maniac> THAT'S why your boot size is bigger
[15:37:00] <megal0maniac> R1 had FTDI, didn't it?
[15:37:04] <r0b-> no
[15:37:09] <r0b-> its the 8u2
[15:37:23] <megal0maniac> Well I know R2 had the 8u2
[15:38:00] <r0b-> megal0maniac: send me blank mega328s
[15:38:33] <r0b-> isnt optiboot better though?
[15:38:35] <megal0maniac> r0b-: I could
[15:38:40] <r0b-> than what comes on the arduino?
[15:38:40] <megal0maniac> r0b-: It's smaller
[15:38:51] <r0b-> well mine was .5KB
[15:38:56] <megal0maniac> Which is useless if your boot size is too big :)
[15:39:05] <r0b-> yea
[15:39:14] <megal0maniac> Now it has 1024 words reserved and only 512 are needed
[15:39:20] <r0b-> :P
[15:39:31] <megal0maniac> But it's fine. You're flashing an AVR. YAY!
[15:39:38] <r0b-> can optiboot run on 8mhz internal?
[15:39:44] <megal0maniac> r0b-: Yes.
[15:39:50] <r0b-> if i do other shit i am only using internal OSC
[15:39:54] <r0b-> fuck this external
[15:40:05] <r0b-> but i do have an arduino board with dead FTDI chip
[15:40:08] <r0b-> that needs an AVR
[15:40:27] <r0b-> this is shit i havent done man
[15:40:30] <megal0maniac> Set fuses correctly, then flash optiboot_atmega328-Mini.hex
[15:40:39] <r0b-> i guess my bus pirate will work
[15:40:49] <megal0maniac> Mini is for 8mhz
[15:40:53] <r0b-> ok
[15:40:58] <r0b-> but its the regular loader?
[15:41:02] <megal0maniac> Yip
[15:41:08] <r0b-> hmmm
[15:41:11] <r0b-> might keep that in mind
[15:41:36] <r0b-> according to wiki...
[15:41:41] <r0b-> Optiboot comes on the Unos
[15:41:48] <megal0maniac> R3, yes
[15:41:55] <megal0maniac> R1 and R2 support it
[15:41:57] <r0b-> no R1-R3
[15:42:11] * megal0maniac shrugs
[15:42:15] <r0b-> same
[15:42:15] <megal0maniac> you're probably right
[15:42:16] <r0b-> idk
[15:42:58] <r0b-> ill ask...
[15:43:13] <r0b-> 15-20 minutes to flash
[15:43:19] <r0b-> then 15-20 minutes to verify...
[15:43:20] <Horologium> daym
[15:43:26] <r0b-> bitbang...
[15:43:30] <Horologium> even bitbanged usb bootloader is faster.
[15:43:43] <Horologium> or bitbanged usb programmer
[15:43:55] <megal0maniac> If your chip had 1024 words, then it makes me think that it didn't have optiboot
[15:43:56] <r0b-> im using an FTDI chip... Bus Pirate
[15:44:07] <megal0maniac> Heh
[15:44:10] <Horologium> guess you don't have a parallel port, eh?
[15:44:22] <megal0maniac> Horologium: NO MORE TALK ABOUT DAPA HERE!
[15:44:24] <r0b-> not on this laptop
[15:44:32] <megal0maniac> :P
[15:44:48] <r0b-> i got 2 PCs with Parallel and Serial...
[15:44:52] <r0b-> but this laptop doesnt
[15:45:03] <r0b-> but this is nice
[15:45:05] <Horologium> bah. parallel port programmer just works.
[15:45:14] <r0b-> so does this USB...
[15:45:19] <megal0maniac> r0b-: I could send you mega328s with fuses set and optiboot loaded
[15:45:38] <r0b-> :P
[15:45:44] <megal0maniac> But that would be silly and expensive
[15:47:49] <Horologium> megal0maniac, what's wrong with DAPA programmer?
[15:48:36] <megal0maniac> Too much talk of it in recent days :)
[15:48:43] <r0b-> now its reading...
[15:48:47] <Horologium> but it is simple and it works.
[15:48:54] <megal0maniac> By someone with an STK600 :)
[15:50:57] <r0b-> why so many protocols?
[15:51:06] <r0b-> STK500 600
[15:51:11] <Horologium> different ways of doing the same thing.
[15:51:14] <r0b-> ah
[15:51:21] <Horologium> stk600 is just stk500 V2 isn't it?
[15:51:32] <megal0maniac> Horologium: Think so
[15:51:41] <megal0maniac> It's just an updated board
[15:51:44] <Horologium> I have an stk500 and avr dragon
[15:51:56] <Horologium> and don't use either one very often except for play.
[15:51:57] <r0b-> megal0maniac: its reading/verifying
[15:52:07] <megal0maniac> r0b-: How quickly?
[15:52:19] <r0b-> SLOW
[15:52:20] <r0b-> lol
[15:52:33] <r0b-> 4 minutes 23%
[15:52:57] <megal0maniac> https://sites.google.com/site/megau2s/home
[15:53:03] <megal0maniac> 256kb in 16s :)
[15:53:03] <Horologium> dapa is still the fastest I've found short of the big professional stuff.
[15:53:04] <r0b-> stop :P
[15:53:17] <megal0maniac> sixteen seconds.
[15:53:30] <OndraSter> <megal0maniac> sixteen seconds.
[15:53:37] <OndraSter> that's what she said!
[15:53:50] <r0b-> it had to get done soon
[15:53:57] * megal0maniac *slaps* OndraSter
[15:54:03] <OndraSter> that's what r0b- replied.
[15:54:07] <r0b-> because i gotta gooffline
[15:54:10] <OndraSter> and he never saw her again.
[15:54:19] <megal0maniac> Heh :)
[15:54:34] <OndraSter> oh bloody TV, I just can't get the board to power up
[15:54:40] <OndraSter> it has got 15-18V and 5V standby
[15:54:50] <megal0maniac> OndraSter: And the inverter?
[15:54:59] <OndraSter> I power the 5V standby, the current goes upto 0.9A and it switches the 15V on in theory in the PSU
[15:55:03] <OndraSter> I have ordered it today :D
[15:55:13] <OndraSter> so I either connect or keep connected the 15V input
[15:55:17] <OndraSter> but it shuts down again
[15:55:20] <OndraSter> below 0.1A
[15:55:25] <OndraSter> and in 5 secs it does all over again
[15:55:30] <megal0maniac> Odd
[15:55:35] <OndraSter> poor 7805 taking 1A with 10V drop :P
[15:55:54] <megal0maniac> It can handle that, thouhg
[15:56:01] <megal0maniac> though
[15:56:02] <OndraSter> TO-3 can
[15:56:19] <megal0maniac> And 220
[15:56:29] <OndraSter> not sure, TO220 is darn small
[15:56:38] <OndraSter> to handle 10 watts :P
[15:56:45] <OndraSter> it is usually 3W rated
[15:57:34] <megal0maniac> Well at 1A it likes to be heat-sunk
[15:57:40] <megal0maniac> But I'm sure 220 can take it
[15:57:43] <OndraSter> http://clip2net.com/s/2ne12
[15:57:44] <OndraSter> LOL
[15:57:47] <OndraSter> with heatsink yes
[15:57:51] <OndraSter> I am running TO3 without heatsink
[15:57:53] <r0b-> the only reason i tolerate this slow speed is its all i got :P
[15:59:01] <megal0maniac> r0b-: Well, good luck. If I need killing/beating/shouting/whatever, I'll be around
[15:59:03] <r0b-> atleast i know it can be done
[15:59:22] <megal0maniac> I'm off. 12h work day tomorrow :)
[15:59:24] <OndraSter> meh, I will replace the fuse and try the power supply once again
[15:59:25] <OndraSter> the original one
[15:59:26] <megal0maniac> G'night
[15:59:27] <OndraSter> so soon!
[15:59:27] <OndraSter> gn
[15:59:32] <r0b-> night
[15:59:38] <r0b-> im out
[15:59:44] <OndraSter> for some weird reason they are using 3.15A fuse
[15:59:48] <OndraSter> yet it is rated at 60W :P
[16:01:20] <megal0maniac> OndraSter: You should build TVs :)
[16:01:40] <OndraSter> why? :P
[16:02:14] <megal0maniac_afk> Because you can.
[16:02:29] <megal0maniac_afk> South Africa has claimed xboard coco Rev A :)
[16:03:05] * megal0maniac_afk leaves
[16:04:51] <OndraSter> I still have got 7 boards left :P
[16:04:53] <OndraSter> which miss parts
[17:10:49] * r0b- is glad i can atleast "bitbang" my arduino with this thing
[17:20:50] <OndraSter> and I said bang bang bangity bang
[17:25:44] <r0b-> :P
[17:25:49] <r0b-> sup OndraSter
[17:26:17] <r0b-> eh im goin to #arduino
[17:40:51] <jadew> megal0maniac_afk: it's comming great
[17:41:39] <jadew> I'm slowly closing todo items in order to get it into beta, it's usable tho and has most of the features I planned for
[17:42:39] <jadew> I just finished the SPI parser and I think I'm gonna do the other parsers now as well, I got kinda tired of working on the UI
[17:45:50] <jadew> this is what I have on the screen right now:
http://dumb.ro/files/ols_now.png
[17:46:35] <jadew> if you got an open bench logic sniffer and you want to try it in this state (I would call it an early alpha), I can zip the exe and pass you a link
[18:52:22] <jadew> wow, out of the 3 additional packs of 60 x breadboard jumper wires that I bough, I only have 3 red wires, one per pack
[19:03:24] <r00t|home> jadew: hah
[19:03:44] <r00t|home> jadew: i also ordered two packs this weekend... from different sellers to be safer ;)
[19:03:57] <jadew> I didn't think of that :)
[19:04:27] <jadew> I got more red wires when I got my first pack, but still a lot less than the other colors
[19:17:29] <Horologium> cat5 cable all the way!
[19:17:47] <Horologium> cut to length, strip ends, and away you go.
[19:32:54] <Horologium> http://www.circuitspecialists.com/mjw-70b.html or these work too.
[19:58:52] <Tom_itx> is red your lucky color?
[19:59:55] <Tom_itx> i didn't know circuit specialists sold those. i get my etchant from them
[20:05:08] <Horologium> I used to buy a lot of stuff from them when I had money.
[20:05:25] <Tom_itx> didn't we all
[20:05:58] <Horologium> these days I just use some old cat5 cable to make jumper wires.
[20:06:40] <Casper> I use phone cables
[20:06:46] <Casper> they are thicker
[20:06:50] <Horologium> works too.
[20:07:35] <Horologium> many years ago, when I was in 6th grade, they were doing some work on the phone system in front of our house. they cut off a 4 foot section of cable and were going to throw it away.
[20:07:40] <Horologium> I talked the guy into letting me have it.
[20:07:53] <Horologium> got LOTS of fun colored wires from that.
[20:08:23] <Horologium> was a long time ago but it had to be either 50 or 100 pairs.
[20:08:54] <Tom_itx> i got about a 50' piece of trunk wire
[20:09:29] <Horologium> I remember it was a royal bitch removing the armor on the outside of the cable.
[20:10:26] <r00t|home> 4 foot is what in civilized world units?
[20:10:42] <Horologium> 1.23meters
[20:10:49] <Horologium> give or take.
[20:10:51] <Horologium> roughly,
[20:10:54] <Horologium> as a guess.
[20:11:03] <r00t|home> not much
[20:11:10] <Casper> 1.2192M
[20:11:26] <Horologium> so, I said it was a rough guess, but I was close.
[20:11:36] <Casper> still off :D
[20:11:47] <r00t|home> it's not like the "4 foot" was an exact measurement in the first place
[20:11:58] <Horologium> that's true too.
[20:12:17] <Horologium> it was many many moons ago.
[20:13:17] <Horologium> about 396 moons give or take even.
[20:13:40] <r00t|home> heh
[20:26:54] <jadew> Horologium, the ones I bought are different
[20:27:02] <jadew> softer
[20:27:06] <jadew> really nice to play with
[20:28:51] <Tom_itx> jadew, i've been known to make my own:
http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/how_to/atmega168/breadboard_basic_side.jpg
[20:29:08] <jadew> http://dx.com/p/breadboard-jumper-cable-wires-for-electronic-diy-65-cable-pack-121345
[20:29:18] <jadew> Tom_itx, they look nice
[20:29:22] <jadew> I made some as well
[20:29:34] <jadew> but they're annoying to make
[20:29:56] <jadew> I like the labeling :)
[20:30:03] <Tom_itx> i've got some of those as well
[20:30:25] <jadew> well, I have 240 of those and only 5 red wires lol
[20:30:35] <jadew> maybe 6.. I think the first pack had 3
[20:32:57] <r00t|home> why do people buy at dealextreme when you can have the same stuff for half at ebay?
[20:33:00] <Horologium> not a bad price for those.
[20:33:12] <jadew> r00t|home, shipping
[20:33:16] <r00t|home> i bought
http://www.ebay.de/itm/300771303594 and
http://www.ebay.de/itm/320561120554
[20:33:24] <r00t|home> jadew: those are with free shipping ofcourse
[20:33:35] <jadew> nice
[20:33:51] <r00t|home> $2.3 instead of 3.8 at dealextreme
[20:33:59] <jadew> yeah, looks like a better deal
[20:35:56] <r00t|home> and it's the exact same product from the exact same factory anyway
[20:36:37] <jadew> yeah, it appears so
[20:46:08] <r00t|home> and that still seems rather expensive, given the poor quality
[20:46:26] <r00t|home> but they don't get any cheaper, even if you buy a 20 bundles wholesale offer
[20:48:49] <jadew> there's probably a lot of manual labor involved so I don't think they'll get cheapper
[21:44:42] <topi`_> hi. if I understand correctly, my ATmega328p needs to be ISP programmed at 3.3 volts instead of the usual 5V?
[21:45:04] <jadew> topi`_, no, 5 is fine
[21:45:11] <jadew> as long as you're powering it from 5
[21:45:24] <topi`_> I think the circuit has Vcc of 3.3
[21:46:05] <jadew> yeah, you'd better use 3.3 then
[21:46:17] <topi`_> this is my board:
http://shop.tuxgraphics.org/electronic/index-eth.html
[21:46:19] <jadew> maybe the avr could survive, but you don't know about the other components
[21:46:31] <topi`_> good point.
[21:47:25] <jadew> my project is getting super awesome! what's really great is that I don't have to recompile the whole thing, or even close it, when I'm making new protocol parsers, instead I get to see the results instantly:
http://dumb.ro/files/parser_making.png
[21:47:39] <topi`_> I haven't yet programmed a single AVR yet, so I'm dabbling in unknown waters
[21:48:33] <topi`_> how do you set the output voltage of a stk500v2 compatible programmer to 3.3 olts?
[21:48:37] <jadew> it's easy once you get it right and make all the mistakes :P
[21:48:39] <topi`_> *volts, even
[21:48:59] <jadew> there has to be an option in avrdude
[21:49:02] <Horologium> depends on the programmer topi`_
[21:49:04] <jadew> the programmer should support it
[21:49:11] <topi`_> yes. Fuses I don't want to touch if I don't have to
[21:49:13] <Horologium> not all compatible programmers support voltage changes.
[21:49:16] <jadew> I know for a fact that the stk protocol supports that
[21:49:35] <jadew> but Horologium has a point
[21:49:42] <Horologium> jadew, yes, the protocol does, but not all of the "compatible" programmers do.
[21:49:58] <topi`_> I'm using mySmartUSB light as the programer
[21:50:24] <topi`_> it responds to the stk500v2 protocol
[21:50:43] <Horologium> looks like it does support 5V and 3V
[21:51:20] <Horologium> what programmer software do you use?
[21:51:57] <topi`_> avrdude
[21:52:03] <topi`_> that's on ubuntu )
[21:53:04] <topi`_> Horologium: yes, it even has LEDs that show a 5V or 3V operation
[21:53:55] <topi`_> but I tried to switch to 3V by following instructions on a blog post, but the device switched back to 5V after the sequence completed.
[21:54:22] <topi`_> maybe I just have to fry one board to see if it really works or not :D
[21:54:59] <topi`_> (I always buy 2 boards (despite the objections from wife) so that I can fry the other one :)
[21:57:55] <topi`_> I guess there are a lot of stk500 compatible devices from all sorts of small vendors...
[21:59:46] <Horologium> kinda looks like you have to be in terminal mode to get avrdude to send the voltage command.
[22:00:06] <Tom_itx> my programmer has a switch that switches from USB power to target power for lower than 5v targets
[22:00:18] <Tom_itx> down to around 1.75v
[22:01:23] <Horologium> I have a vUSB based programmer than runs at 3.3V for when I need that and use a simple DAPA programmer based on a 74ls125 for 5V programming.
[22:02:15] <Horologium> in avrdude, in terminal mode, the command "vtarg 3.3" should set voltage for target at 3.3V I think.
[22:06:52] <topi`_> what's the main difference between stk500 and stk500v2 ?
[22:12:36] <Horologium> not sure.
[22:12:44] <Horologium> I know v2 is used on the stk600.
[22:15:27] <topi`_> I googled programming the atmega328p with avrdude and found an article about programming an arduino. the article uses this cmd line: avrdude -F -V -c arduino -p ATMEGA328P -P /dev/ttyACM0 -b 115200 -U flash:w:led.hex
[22:15:51] <topi`_> but none of those args has something to do with switching target voltage to 3.3 volts. odd.
[22:15:53] <Horologium> that uses the arduino bootloader on the arduino device.
[22:16:16] <Horologium> and, as I said earlier, I don't think there is a command line option for 3.3V in avrdude.
[22:16:34] <Horologium> that command is not for using an stk500 compatible programmer.
[22:17:31] <topi`_> I guess the arduino can be programmed at 5 volts just fine.
[22:17:38] <Horologium> generally, yes.
[22:17:58] <Horologium> on that board you linked to earlier, it runs at 3.3V because of the enc28j60 chip which is 3.3V only.
[22:18:32] <topi`_> ah, ok.
[22:19:05] <Horologium> I've built similar and played with their software.
[22:19:33] <topi`_> did you end up using 3.3 volt?
[22:20:06] <Horologium> yes.
[22:21:18] <topi`_> what kind of an ISP do you use?
[22:22:10] <Horologium> a modified usbASP programmer.
[22:23:00] <topi`_> so you know how to switch it to 3.3 v programming?
[22:23:11] <Tom_itx> here's what i use:
http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/boards/USBTiny_Mkii/USBTiny_Mkii_index.php
[22:23:12] <Horologium> http://www.fischl.de/usbasp/ this with a 3.3V ldo regulator on it.
[22:23:14] <Horologium> I don't switch.
[22:23:25] <Horologium> I use that for 3.3V and use a DAPA programmer for 5V.
[22:27:22] <topi`_> ok :)
[22:32:11] <Tom_itx> i use mine for both
[22:34:22] <Horologium> I suppose I could use my stk500 for that as well but I seldom touch that as it is so unwieldy.
[22:37:05] <r0b-> iR0b0t1:
[22:43:01] <topi`_> it seems that even tuxgraphics documentation about flashing their ethernet board is using a normal avrdude command line. so maybe 5 volts.
[22:44:01] <Horologium> which board do you have?
[22:45:42] <topi`_> the tuxgraphics smd ethernet board v1.4
[22:46:02] <topi`_> with atmega328p and enc28j60
[22:50:38] <Horologium> ok
[22:50:50] <Horologium> just glanced through the enc28j60 manual.
[22:51:25] <Horologium> and, it seems the interface is 5V capable even though the chip has to be powered by 3.3V
[22:51:40] <Horologium> so, you can program that board at 5V without any issues.
[22:53:11] <Horologium> the board should be powered at 3.3V, however, which means through its onboard regulator.
[22:55:41] <Horologium> ok..time to try bed again. hope my stomach has settled enough that the acid reflux won't kick up again..nighters.
[22:55:56] <topi`_> good luck
[22:56:24] <topi`_> stomach problems are common in this coding business
[23:03:40] <jadew> indeed
