#avr | Logs for 2012-09-27

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[02:44:52] <OndraSter> anybody attending Boostrapping awesome?
[02:46:55] <megal0maniac> I'm currently attending the website
[02:47:11] <megal0maniac> And... PRAGUE. Too far.
[02:47:42] <megal0maniac> I have OpenSUSE installed. It's horrible
[02:47:45] <megal0maniac> fwiw
[02:47:56] <specing> heh
[02:48:05] <specing> May I suggest Gentoo? :D
[02:48:37] <megal0maniac> No you may not.
[02:49:05] <OndraSter> there is gentoo on boostrappin awesome too
[02:49:10] <OndraSter> you should come, specing :P
[02:50:39] <megal0maniac> I knowHmmm... http://crunchbanglinux.org/blog/2012/09/24/updated-waldorf-testing-images-20120924/
[02:54:58] <specing> OndraSter: what is that?
[02:55:06] <OndraSter> what is what?
[02:55:19] <megal0maniac> Debian spin-off
[02:55:39] <specing> I mean the boostrapping wth
[02:55:50] <OndraSter> it is some meeting of gentoo/suse/.. devs
[02:55:54] <OndraSter> I don't know
[02:55:55] <OndraSter> check website
[02:55:56] <specing> where?
[02:56:00] <OndraSter> in Prague :P
[02:56:03] <OndraSter> on my faculty
[02:56:05] <specing> very funny.
[02:56:08] <megal0maniac> Lol
[02:56:12] <OndraSter> :P
[02:56:43] <specing> And you want me to travel 1000km just to see that Gentoo is awesome? (that I already know)
[02:56:52] <OndraSter> haha
[02:58:55] <megal0maniac> 9000km for me
[02:59:05] <megal0maniac> I'll pass
[03:00:50] <OndraSter> hehe
[03:00:56] <OndraSter> but... planes!
[03:01:38] <megal0maniac> But money!
[03:01:45] <OndraSter> rob a bank
[03:01:52] <megal0maniac> If I hadn't bought the xboard...
[03:01:54] <megal0maniac> :P
[03:01:56] <OndraSter> heh
[03:02:15] <megal0maniac> It NEEDS to be here by tomorrow
[03:02:19] <OndraSter> haha
[03:02:27] <OndraSter> tomorrow = czech post doesn't work because it is national holiday
[03:02:31] <OndraSter> but that's here
[03:02:57] <megal0maniac> Yeah, it's already in ZA
[03:05:52] <megal0maniac> tomorrow = ZA post probably won't work either, just because
[03:06:11] <megal0maniac> Also, if CZ can have a holiday, why can't they?
[03:06:59] <OndraSter> haha
[03:07:45] <OndraSter> what was the tracking #?
[03:08:32] <megal0maniac> http://www.ceskaposta.cz/cz/nastroje/sledovani-zasilky.php?barcode=RR610043280CZ&locale=EN&go=ok&send.x=99&send.y=10
[03:08:57] <OndraSter> ah thanks
[03:08:59] <OndraSter> not much info though :D
[03:09:21] <OndraSter> megal0maniac, how do customs work in the ZAR?
[03:09:43] <megal0maniac> Well the value is < ZAR500, so it doesn't apply
[03:09:52] <OndraSter> I ment for speed :)
[03:10:05] <megal0maniac> But I've had a package (Teensy) here from the US within 2 weeks
[03:10:05] <OndraSter> how much is ZAR500 in usd/eur?
[03:10:20] <megal0maniac> EUR50 more or less
[03:10:25] <OndraSter> ah
[03:10:46] <OndraSter> 10 ZAR ~= 1 EUR
[03:11:03] <megal0maniac> It's ballpark, but close enough :)
[03:11:43] <OndraSter> just as 1CHF ~= 1 USD
[03:11:46] <OndraSter> again, ballpark :P
[03:12:13] <megal0maniac> Swiss franc?
[03:12:15] <OndraSter> yes
[03:12:29] <OndraSter> I had somebody send me his phone that he bricked while flashing
[03:12:32] <OndraSter> I need to JTAG it
[03:13:21] <OndraSter> I have got everything but that bloody 20pin cable, since I don't have any connectors anymore :P
[03:13:41] <OndraSter> I have got even jig for the board from the phone! :P
[03:13:41] <megal0maniac> SE W810i has patchable firmware :)
[03:13:48] <OndraSter> this is HTC HD2
[03:13:58] <megal0maniac> That's new, though
[03:14:03] <megal0maniac> Not 2006
[03:14:08] <megal0maniac> 9-mhz
[03:14:12] <megal0maniac> *80
[03:14:30] <OndraSter> hehe
[03:14:40] <megal0maniac> Runs .elf files even
[03:14:49] <OndraSter> linux kernel? :D
[03:14:53] <OndraSter> 2.2? :D
[03:14:55] <megal0maniac> Dunno
[03:15:00] <megal0maniac> Doom works nicely
[03:15:05] <OndraSter> ARM?
[03:15:53] <megal0maniac> No clue
[03:19:43] <OndraSter> I do wonder why they call this lecture Introduction to Operating Systems
[03:19:57] <OndraSter> when all they talk about is scripting in bash and bashing windows :P
[03:23:57] <OndraSter> I am sorry, but bash is something awful
[03:23:59] <OndraSter> powershell ftw.
[03:24:01] <OndraSter> if you have to use cli
[03:24:04] <OndraSter> and scripts
[03:24:16] <specing> bash ftw
[03:24:53] <OndraSter> because working in plaintext rocks, right?
[03:24:54] <OndraSter> I prefer objects
[03:24:58] <OndraSter> $a = Get-Date
[03:24:58] <specing> ps aux | grep OndraSter; [[ $? -eq 0 ]] && kill -9 OndraSter
[03:25:09] <OndraSter> echo $a.GetYear();
[03:25:10] <OndraSter> ..
[03:25:31] <specing> killall actually
[03:27:00] <specing> OndraSter: date +%Y
[03:27:05] <OndraSter> yes
[03:27:20] <specing> UNIX :)
[03:27:37] <OndraSter> but if you want to strip it from zeros (month, day, ..) you have to use sed or something
[03:28:32] <specing> no
[03:29:36] <OndraSter> no?
[03:29:49] <specing> date "+%-H:%-M:%-S"
[03:29:54] <OndraSter> yeah that didn't work on SunOS
[03:30:20] <specing> lol sunOS
[03:30:20] <OndraSter> BECAUSE UNIX IS SO MUCH COMPATIBLE
[03:30:27] <specing> sun made java, remember?
[03:30:29] <megal0maniac> Crisis at work. Receptionist didn't pitch, and personally I think she's left for good
[03:30:30] <OndraSter> I know
[03:30:33] <specing> sun is crap
[03:30:34] <specing> :D
[03:30:36] <megal0maniac> Gotta run :)
[03:30:42] <OndraSter> but it was not my choice
[03:30:49] <OndraSter> we are also using CDE
[03:30:54] <specing> llooooooll
[03:30:55] <OndraSter> but my point still stands - UNIX is NOT compatible
[03:31:00] <megal0maniac_afk> Sun IS crap
[03:31:02] <specing> OpenMotif much? :D
[03:31:08] <OndraSter> only either CDE
[03:31:12] <OndraSter> or even more awful JDE
[03:31:15] <megal0maniac_afk> And UNIX is compatible with UNIX. Good enough
[03:31:16] <OndraSter> or JDS or whatever
[03:31:22] <specing> Why are you still using them?
[03:31:29] <OndraSter> because there is no other option
[03:31:34] <specing> Can't you bring Linux on a CD or something
[03:31:38] <OndraSter> lol
[03:31:39] <specing> and boot it live?
[03:31:39] <OndraSter> thin clients
[03:31:41] <OndraSter> dude
[03:31:49] <OndraSter> sun ray v2 stuff
[03:31:50] <specing> Then bring your laptop
[03:31:52] <OndraSter> I have
[03:31:55] <specing> so?
[03:31:56] <OndraSter> but all the tests will be on this crap
[03:32:01] <specing> LOOOOOOOOOL
[03:32:19] <specing> complain
[03:32:22] <specing> I guess
[03:32:35] <specing> I would have thrown them out the window
[03:32:46] <specing> along with the professor
[03:32:47] <OndraSter> the windows are not openable
[03:32:49] <OndraSter> :P
[03:32:55] <specing> and the IT staff
[03:33:06] <specing> OndraSter: open them with the SUN RAYS!
[03:33:11] <OndraSter> haha
[03:33:24] <specing> also what kind of a crappy uni has unopenable windows?
[03:33:38] <OndraSter> it is some supercool rounded building
[03:33:46] <OndraSter> come to boostrapping awesome and you can take a look
[03:33:55] <OndraSter> ask the architects why they did it that way
[03:33:58] <specing> lol
[03:34:02] <OndraSter> also why they effectively blocked Vodafone's signal in the room
[03:34:05] <OndraSter> and forgot to paint it
[03:34:08] <OndraSter> in the inside
[03:34:14] <specing> Im only going to my uni to get the paperwork
[03:34:19] <OndraSter> and why they didn't think of echo in half of the room when using mic
[03:34:23] <specing> they can't possibly teach me anything new...
[03:34:43] <OndraSter> they can't possibly teach me anything useful new*
[03:35:18] <OndraSter> because one can not take here stuff apart :P
[03:37:19] <specing> :D
[03:37:34] <specing> take the useless stuff apart, then
[03:37:36] <specing> like the sun rays
[03:37:41] <OndraSter> haha
[03:38:10] <specing> also send out complaints about intolerable studying conditions
[03:38:19] <specing> mail everyone
[03:38:32] <OndraSter> uname -a on the server says SunOS fray3 5.10 Generic_147440-12 sun4v sparc SUNW, T5440
[03:38:39] <specing> and organise boycotts of those classes
[03:38:44] <OndraSter> fray3 is the name of the server obviosuly
[03:38:48] <OndraSter> lol
[03:38:56] <specing> DDoS the server!
[03:39:07] <OndraSter> fray3.fit.cvut.cz if you want
[03:39:11] <OndraSter> and also fray1.fit.cvut.cz
[03:39:16] <specing> probably firewalled
[03:39:21] <OndraSter> no
[03:39:26] <OndraSter> accessible from anywhere
[03:39:38] <OndraSter> for remote access for students :P
[03:39:42] <OndraSter> to get to school's network
[03:40:25] <specing> can you execute stuff on them?
[03:40:46] <OndraSter> aye
[03:40:51] <specing> fork bomb them :D
[03:40:57] <OndraSter> but I will not be doing stuff under my user name
[03:41:07] <OndraSter> as in, stuff that is not ment to be done there :P
[03:41:28] <OndraSter> we are supposed to be doing some bash scripting in it and C programming
[03:41:29] <specing> well it ain't yo fault if the admins are incompetent ;D
[03:41:35] <OndraSter> can't imagine doing it in pico or vi without syntax highliting
[03:41:40] <OndraSter> heh
[03:41:42] <specing> :(){:|:;}
[03:41:50] <OndraSter> let alone with netbeans crap :D
[03:41:53] <OndraSter> haha
[03:41:58] <specing> do it
[03:42:01] <OndraSter> no
[03:42:03] <specing> for the greater good
[03:48:10] <OndraSter> I think I will skip the electronics lecture
[03:48:17] <OndraSter> and come back only on practice 6 hours form now
[03:48:19] <OndraSter> from*
[03:50:31] <Tom_itx> we will lecture you if it will make you feel better
[03:51:02] <OndraSter> haha
[03:52:12] <Tom_itx> you seem sharp enough not to need it though
[03:52:34] <OndraSter> hmm why is TQFP cheaper than QFN? (enc424j600)
[03:53:01] <OndraSter> I would prefer QFN because it is 2mm smaller
[03:53:08] <OndraSter> I think it was 2mm
[03:53:08] <Tom_itx> the chinese lady on the TQFP line works for less
[03:53:20] <OndraSter> sounds possible
[03:53:24] <Tom_itx> 2mm and no legs
[03:53:40] <Tom_itx> a bit harder to solder as well
[03:53:45] <OndraSter> wow, microchip direct sells even 1-off pieces? nice
[03:53:50] <OndraSter> hotair ftw
[03:54:06] <Tom_itx> harder to stick the center pad
[03:54:12] <Tom_itx> all qfn have that afik
[03:54:27] <OndraSter> just don't solder it :)
[03:54:38] <Tom_itx> it's generally gnd
[03:54:51] <OndraSter> yes, but not the "main working" gnd
[03:54:58] <OndraSter> just for heat dissipation
[03:55:17] <OndraSter> xboard doesn't have center pad soldered as well - if anybody burns the chip, it will be much easier for him to replace it
[03:55:25] <Tom_itx> do you know why they have center pads?
[03:55:34] <OndraSter> heat dissipation usually
[03:55:36] <OndraSter> even some SO8s do
[03:55:37] <Tom_itx> no
[03:55:40] <OndraSter> switchmodes
[03:55:44] <Tom_itx> but that is part
[03:56:04] <Tom_itx> board flex keeps the outer pads stuck with it
[03:56:12] <OndraSter> hmm
[03:57:28] <OndraSter> now, where does microchip direct ship from
[03:57:30] <OndraSter> EU or not the EU :P
[03:57:48] <Tom_itx> hard to say
[03:57:52] <specing> Doesen't matter, will have stellaris ;D
[03:57:53] <OndraSter> will write them email
[03:58:02] <OndraSter> specing, you do know that stellaris has no ethernet, right?
[03:58:03] <Tom_itx> i've gotten samples from some before that shipped from digikey
[03:58:09] <OndraSter> Tom_itx, nice :D
[03:58:31] <specing> OndraSter: Im going to be doing packet switching over its 8 serial lines
[03:58:43] <OndraSter> but ethernet!
[03:59:50] <specing> have an 28j60
[04:00:16] <OndraSter> yeah, but I am going for newer version with 100Mbit :P
[04:00:23] <specing> Maybe I'll get a cheap *j600 board off ebay
[04:00:31] <OndraSter> how much are they?
[04:00:37] <specing> and trunk those serial ports through it
[04:00:44] <specing> no idea
[04:00:57] <OndraSter> I am off
[04:00:57] <OndraSter> bb
[04:23:40] <megal0maniac_afk> Yay! Transistors are here
[04:23:53] <megal0maniac_afk> And 16byte eeprom, but we don't care much for that.
[04:35:05] <specing> 16 byte... LOL
[04:48:57] <Kevin`> I wonder if they make those directly or from broken 256 byte eeproms
[04:50:21] <megal0maniac> They get smaller
[04:50:53] <megal0maniac> Would've brought veroboard to work if I'd known that they were arriving today
[04:51:17] <Vutral> hi
[04:51:18] <tobbor> Vutral! like, totally tell us about the project!
[04:51:21] <Vutral> sure
[04:51:25] <Vutral> hi
[04:51:37] <megal0maniac> Why does tobbor do that?
[04:51:43] <megal0maniac> hi
[04:51:43] <tobbor> hi megal0maniac.
[04:51:46] <Vutral> eh how do i most efficiently protect my attiny85 from the emp itself generates
[04:51:47] <Vutral> ^^
[04:52:02] <Vutral> i mean its just some microampere
[04:52:08] <Vutral> mhm
[04:52:15] <Vutral> or i need a shielded case for the transformer
[04:56:27] <megal0maniac> ping rue_house rue_shop3 rue_bed
[04:56:40] * megal0maniac is looking for rue :)
[05:16:35] <Kevin`> Vutral: itself?
[06:26:57] <megal0maniac> OndraSter: The ethernet you intend to use (100mbps) - is it pdip as well?
[06:27:05] <megal0maniac> Or at least pin compatible
[06:32:30] <OndraSter> no PDIP available
[06:32:39] <OndraSter> doing 100Mbit on breadboard.. no :)
[06:32:53] <OndraSter> I do wonder how can those PICs in breadboard work with USB
[06:39:16] <specing> doing 100MBIT on breadboard in 2012: no; doing 100Mbit there in 2017? hell yeah
[06:39:39] <specing> doung 1Gbit on breadboard in 2025? oh yes.
[06:39:46] <OndraSter> haha
[06:40:06] <specing> 2025: 200MHz 8-bit AVR
[06:40:07] <Steffanx> 1GBit with your ~20-32MHz uc :D
[06:40:29] <specing> Steffanx: sure thing with a 300MHz cortex-m4f
[06:40:38] <specing> or even a 200MHz
[06:40:41] <specing> Anyway, DMA
[06:54:52] <megal0maniac> I guess high speed USB wouldn't work. but I don't see why low/full speed wouldn't
[06:59:17] <specing> sadly the stellaris doesen't have 100M ethernet
[07:04:15] <specing> megal0maniac: says $16 for me
[07:04:36] <megal0maniac> specing: It is, but shipping is about $3
[07:05:21] <megal0maniac> Tom_itx: Did you internet die? Not often that you disconnect. Let alone drag zlog with you :)
[07:05:26] <megal0maniac> *your
[07:36:17] <megal0maniac> Tom_itx: Experiencing some technical difficulties?
[07:36:47] <Tom_itx> yup
[07:36:53] <OndraSter> you sound like.. TV lol
[07:37:03] <OndraSter> "we are sorry, we are undergoing some technical difficulties"
[07:37:05] <Tom_itx> one more try...
[07:41:39] <Tom_itx> dies again, it was nice knowin ya
[07:41:47] <megal0maniac> OndraSter: YOU ARE TALL!
[07:41:50] <megal0maniac> And a mess
[07:41:50] <OndraSter> lol
[07:41:51] <RikusW> megal0maniac: the problem with tobbor is that he can be somewhat deaf, that is until cajoled (err Canucked...)
[07:42:10] <jacekowski> tobbor: canuck
[07:42:21] <specing> CANUCKED
[07:42:22] <tobbor> Yankie.
[07:42:26] <RikusW> capitals... CANUCk
[07:42:28] <megal0maniac> RikusW: Yeah, I've noticed. Seems like there's a trailing string or something
[07:42:34] <megal0maniac> CANUCK
[07:42:35] <tobbor> Yankie!
[07:42:45] <Steffanx> !resistors 4
[07:42:48] <Steffanx> or whatever it was
[07:42:55] <RikusW> I did the small k on purpose...
[07:42:57] <OndraSter> !resistor 4
[07:43:01] <OndraSter> canuck
[07:43:04] <OndraSter> CANUCKED
[07:43:04] <tobbor> YANKIE.
[07:43:05] <RikusW> !color
[07:43:08] <OndraSter> !colour
[07:43:09] <OndraSter> *
[07:43:13] <RikusW> !color 4
[07:43:14] <megal0maniac> !resistors
[07:43:17] <OndraSter> !resistor
[07:43:20] <megal0maniac> !resistor
[07:43:24] <megal0maniac> !resister
[07:43:25] <RikusW> ask rue...
[07:43:32] <megal0maniac> He isn't around
[07:43:34] <RikusW> !help
[07:43:44] <megal0maniac> He did demonstrate the other day
[07:43:45] <RikusW> !thislog
[07:43:46] <tobbor> This one: http://rueshouse.dyndns.org:82/~ircjunk/irclogs/html/%23avr-2012-09-27.html
[07:44:03] <OndraSter> I much prefer SMD resistors
[07:44:08] <OndraSter> no colours, just number!
[07:44:16] <megal0maniac> Likewise
[07:44:26] <Steffanx> !doresistors 1
[07:44:26] <tobbor> Steffanx: What is the value of the color black?
[07:44:27] <megal0maniac> BBROYGBVGW :)
[07:44:28] <Steffanx> !doresistors 1
[07:44:29] <tobbor> ok, 1 more questions left after this one..
[07:44:29] <tobbor> Steffanx: What is the value of the color black?
[07:44:29] <RikusW> no holes to drill either and no leads to clip after soldering
[07:44:42] <OndraSter> hehe
[07:44:46] <OndraSter> for home boards - yay
[07:44:58] <megal0maniac> Tiny transistors arrived today
[07:45:03] <Steffanx> 0
[07:45:04] <tobbor> Steffanx: Correct. What is the value of the color black?
[07:45:08] <OndraSter> megal0maniac, sot23?
[07:45:12] <Steffanx> 0
[07:45:12] <tobbor> Steffanx: Correct. Your score was: 100%
[07:45:15] <Steffanx> Yay !
[07:45:16] * megal0maniac knods
[07:45:52] <karlp> !doresistors 4
[07:45:52] <tobbor> karlp: What is the colour for the value 1?
[07:45:55] <karlp> brown
[07:45:55] <tobbor> karlp: Correct. What is the value of the color red?
[07:45:58] <karlp> 2
[07:45:58] <tobbor> karlp: Correct. What is the value of the color red?
[07:45:59] <karlp> 2
[07:46:00] <tobbor> karlp: Correct. What is the value of the color brown?
[07:46:02] <karlp> 1
[07:46:02] <tobbor> karlp: Correct. Your score was: 100%
[07:46:05] <karlp> bleh.
[07:46:15] <OndraSter> karlp, you remember all the colours?
[07:46:21] <OndraSter> colours of rainbow
[07:46:22] <megal0maniac> I do
[07:46:24] <karlp> not all of them,
[07:46:34] <karlp> I don't know some of the 6789 ones
[07:46:43] <megal0maniac> colours of the resistor, not of the rainboxw
[07:46:43] <karlp> I'm a digital guy,
[07:46:52] <karlp> only resistors I need are 1k, 10k, 100k and 4k7
[07:47:58] <RikusW> 0-black 1-brown 2-red 3-orange 4-yellow 5-green 6-blue 7-purple 8-gray 9-white
[07:48:42] <Steffanx> Who needs color codes when you have smd resistors?
[07:49:15] <RikusW> not all of as heve exclusively smd parts...
[07:49:18] <RikusW> *have
[07:51:33] <jacekowski> i have a thing called ohmmeter
[07:51:40] <jacekowski> part of DMM
[07:51:52] <OndraSter> so do I :P
[07:51:56] <jacekowski> it measures resistances, voltages, currents and all sorts of shit
[07:52:03] <OndraSter> even hFE!
[07:55:30] <RikusW> jacekowski: you need both color codes and DMM to check if the resistor is still ok....
[07:56:09] <jacekowski> if it's not there will be no codes to read
[07:56:44] <RikusW> sometimes there still is, sometimes just barely ;)
[07:57:00] <OndraSter> OR you could use those old USSR resistors with black silkscreen
[07:57:03] <OndraSter> with value written on it :P
[07:57:44] <specing> !doresistors 2000
[07:57:44] <tobbor> specing: What is the colour for the value 3?
[07:57:50] <specing> blue
[07:57:50] <tobbor> specing: No, the answer was orange. What is the value of the color black?
[07:57:55] <specing> 0
[07:57:55] <tobbor> specing: Correct. What is the colour for the value 1?
[07:58:00] <specing> brown
[07:58:00] <tobbor> specing: Correct. What is the colour for the value 9?
[07:58:05] <specing> gold
[07:58:17] <specing> died :D
[07:58:40] <specing> tobbor: ping
[07:58:43] <specing> CANUCK
[07:58:44] <tobbor> YANKIE!!!!
[07:58:51] <specing> weird bot...
[07:59:12] <Steffanx> CANUCK
[07:59:13] <tobbor> YANKIE.
[07:59:43] <Steffanx> It's only good it doesn't ask you a question 2000 times specing :)
[08:00:17] <specing> !doresistors 0.124
[08:00:18] <tobbor> ok, 0 more questions left after this one..
[08:00:18] <tobbor> specing: What is the colour for the value 9?
[08:00:25] <OndraSter> purple
[08:00:30] <OndraSter> !doresistors -2
[08:00:31] <tobbor> OndraSter: What is the colour for the value 7?
[08:00:34] <specing> PINK!
[08:00:36] <OndraSter> purple
[08:00:39] <specing> purple
[08:00:40] <tobbor> specing: No, the answer was white. Your score was: 50%
[08:00:43] <OndraSter> PURPLE
[08:00:45] <specing> :)
[08:00:46] <OndraSter> !doresistors -2
[08:00:46] <tobbor> OndraSter: What is the value of the color black?
[08:00:49] <OndraSter> 0
[08:00:54] <OndraSter> oh c'mon :P
[08:01:00] <specing> !doresistors 1240155139598238515013591851935832958439503252053285
[08:01:00] <tobbor> specing: What is the value of the color red?
[08:01:04] <specing> 1
[08:01:04] <tobbor> specing: No, the answer was 2. What is the value of the color violet?
[08:01:09] <specing> 2
[08:01:09] <tobbor> specing: No, the answer was 7. What is the value of the color white?
[08:01:10] <specing> 3
[08:01:11] <tobbor> specing: No, the answer was 9. What is the value of the color yellow?
[08:01:11] <specing> 4
[08:01:12] <tobbor> specing: Correct. What is the colour for the value 6?
[08:01:13] <specing> 5
[08:01:14] <tobbor> specing: No, the answer was blue. What is the colour for the value 7?
[08:01:17] <specing> WORKED!
[08:01:25] <OndraSter> !doresistors -4294967294
[08:01:25] <tobbor> OndraSter: What is the colour for the value 8?
[08:01:28] <OndraSter> black
[08:01:28] <tobbor> OndraSter: No, the answer was grey. What is the value of the color red?
[08:01:32] <OndraSter> 3
[08:01:32] <tobbor> OndraSter: No, the answer was 2. What is the value of the color brown?
[08:01:36] <OndraSter> 1
[08:01:36] <tobbor> OndraSter: Correct. What is the value of the color red?
[08:01:39] <OndraSter> 2
[08:01:39] <specing> we're going to totaly crash tobbor
[08:01:39] <tobbor> OndraSter: Correct. What is the colour for the value 3?
[08:01:42] <specing> black
[08:01:42] <tobbor> specing: No, the answer was violet. What is the colour for the value 5?
[08:01:42] <Steffanx> What have i done :(
[08:01:45] <OndraSter> black
[08:01:45] <tobbor> OndraSter: No, the answer was orange. What is the value of the color orange?
[08:01:45] <specing> blue
[08:01:46] <tobbor> specing: No, the answer was green. What is the colour for the value 0?
[08:01:48] <specing> red
[08:01:48] <tobbor> specing: No, the answer was black. What is the colour for the value 6?
[08:01:50] <specing> cyan
[08:01:52] <OndraSter> 3
[08:01:53] <tobbor> OndraSter: Correct. What is the colour for the value 1?
[08:01:53] <specing> pink
[08:01:56] <OndraSter> black
[08:01:56] <tobbor> OndraSter: No, the answer was brown. What is the value of the color blue?
[08:01:57] <RikusW> Steffanx: LOL
[08:02:00] <OndraSter> 4
[08:02:01] <tobbor> OndraSter: No, the answer was 6. What is the value of the color white?
[08:02:02] <specing> !doresistors 1240155139598238515013591851935832958439503252053285
[08:02:02] <tobbor> ok, 2147483647 more questions left after this one..
[08:02:03] <tobbor> specing: What is the colour for the value 6?
[08:02:05] <specing> pink
[08:02:08] <specing> red
[08:02:08] <tobbor> specing: No, the answer was blue. What is the value of the color violet?
[08:02:12] <OndraSter> #FFFFF
[08:02:18] <OndraSter> 256
[08:02:20] <specing> :)
[08:02:20] <OndraSter> 3
[08:02:21] <tobbor> OndraSter: No, the answer was 9. What is the colour for the value 8?
[08:02:26] <OndraSter> grey
[08:02:26] <tobbor> OndraSter: Correct. What is the value of the color white?
[08:02:28] <OndraSter> wow
[08:02:33] <OndraSter> 9
[08:02:33] <tobbor> OndraSter: Correct. What is the colour for the value 5?
[08:02:38] <OndraSter> blue
[08:02:38] <tobbor> OndraSter: No, the answer was green. What is the colour for the value 1?
[08:02:42] <OndraSter> brown
[08:02:42] <tobbor> OndraSter: Correct. What is the colour for the value 2?
[08:02:44] <OndraSter> give up
[08:02:46] <OndraSter> I give up
[08:02:48] <OndraSter> !doresistors stop
[08:02:48] <tobbor> ok, 0 more questions left after this one..
[08:02:48] <tobbor> OndraSter: What is the colour for the value 2?
[08:02:54] <OndraSter> blue
[08:02:55] <tobbor> OndraSter: No, the answer was red. Your score was: 42%
[08:02:57] <OndraSter> not bad
[08:02:59] <OndraSter> lol
[08:03:01] <specing> !doresistors ~
[08:03:01] <tobbor> ok, 0 more questions left after this one..
[08:03:02] <tobbor> specing: What is the value of the color violet?
[08:03:06] <specing> )@#(
[08:03:07] <karlp> !help
[08:03:12] <specing> :)
[08:03:14] <OndraSter> violets are red
[08:03:14] <OndraSter> ..
[08:03:18] <OndraSter> and so on
[08:03:26] <karlp> require Coy; ?
[08:04:30] <karlp> sorry, "use Coy;"
[08:05:34] <OndraSter> aanyway
[08:05:36] <OndraSter> TO THE SCHOOL!
[08:05:40] <Steffanx> Have fun
[08:05:42] <OndraSter> yeah
[08:05:58] <OndraSter> "Mathematical logic" and "Introduction to mathematical analysis"
[08:06:03] <OndraSter> both so much full of fun
[08:06:20] <OndraSter> and I am so much full of sleep!
[08:06:21] <karlp> we actually burnt out a harddrive with a bot like this once, it wsa expsoing a calculator thing directly linked to bc,
[08:06:32] <OndraSter> eh?
[08:06:34] <karlp> and someone fed it some recursive calculation ona friday afternoon
[08:06:38] <OndraSter> lol
[08:06:50] <karlp> no-one noticed the swap grow and the hardrive start churning hard all weekend,
[08:06:54] <karlp> disk eventually crashed.
[08:07:01] <OndraSter> failtastic
[08:07:10] <OndraSter> bb
[08:30:03] <megal0maniac> Is this what I want? http://za.rs-online.com/web/p/surface-mount-fixed-resistors/2230562
[08:30:32] <megal0maniac> Just standard 10K resistors. For level translator pull-ups
[08:34:48] <megal0maniac> 14:50 < specing> !doresistors 1240155139598238515013591851935832958439503252053285
[08:34:48] <megal0maniac> 14:50 < tobbor> ok, 2147483647 more questions left after this one..
[08:35:29] <megal0maniac> !doresistors 5
[08:35:29] <tobbor> megal0maniac: What is the value of the color grey?
[08:36:06] <megal0maniac> 9
[08:36:07] <tobbor> megal0maniac: No, the answer was 8. What is the value of the color grey?
[08:36:14] <megal0maniac> 8
[08:36:14] <tobbor> megal0maniac: Correct. What is the value of the color black?
[08:36:20] <megal0maniac> 0
[08:36:21] <tobbor> megal0maniac: Correct. What is the value of the color yellow?
[08:36:27] <megal0maniac> 4
[08:36:27] <tobbor> megal0maniac: Correct. What is the value of the color orange?
[08:36:33] <megal0maniac> 3
[08:36:33] <tobbor> megal0maniac: Correct. Your score was: 80%
[08:36:38] <megal0maniac> eh
[08:37:18] <megal0maniac> 4
[08:37:18] <tobbor> megal0maniac: No, the answer was black. What is the colour for the value 6?
[08:37:45] <megal0maniac> I broke it
[08:52:46] <megal0maniac> Hello RikusW
[08:53:09] <rue_house> megal0maniac,
[08:53:24] <rue_house> you can ask for 1 resistors and it will finish after the next few
[08:53:34] <rue_house> and you dont have to answer
[08:54:20] <megal0maniac> rue_house: I started a query with tobbor and started there. So he got confused :)
[08:55:09] <rue_house> tobbor will follow you
[08:55:23] <rue_house> you can msg tobbor and hold the conversation in private chat if you want
[08:55:46] <rue_house> not follow, but will remember to look for you where it is
[08:56:04] <rue_house> and it will let you talk in the meantime
[08:56:16] <rue_house> BUT tobbor restarts every 2? hours
[08:56:28] <rue_house> so the session wont continue thru that
[08:57:05] <megal0maniac> What does tobbor run on?
[08:57:28] <rue_house> a pentuin 1 - 150Mhz with 32M of ram
[08:57:39] <megal0maniac> I mean the software :)
[08:57:49] <rue_house> C
[08:57:50] <megal0maniac> But that's pretty cool, too
[08:58:05] <megal0maniac> Ah, so you wrote it from scratch?
[09:02:33] <megal0maniac> I tried setting up eggdrop yesterday, but it was an absolute mission. Gave up eventually
[09:28:26] <RikusW> hi megal0maniac
[09:28:38] <megal0maniac> Hey RikusW
[09:29:00] * RikusW was afk...
[09:29:21] * megal0maniac is at work :)
[09:29:44] <RikusW> and you're allowed IRC access there ?
[09:31:03] <megal0maniac> Nothing is blocked for staff. And I'm filling in for someone else who didn't show up. So I'm just sitting at the front desk passing time at the moment
[09:31:06] <RikusW> megal0maniac: what is the size of those 10k RS resistors ? 0805 ?
[09:31:09] <megal0maniac> Except for torrents
[09:31:31] <megal0maniac> Yes, 0805
[09:32:03] <RikusW> those are easy to solder
[09:32:16] <RikusW> but you should have good tweezers
[09:32:16] <megal0maniac> Good, because I've already placed the order :P
[09:32:22] <RikusW> even 0603 isn't so hard
[09:32:41] <megal0maniac> It'll be between 2 veroboard tracks
[09:32:48] <RikusW> 0402 and 0201 is very tiny.....
[09:33:17] <RikusW> 0603 fits nicely between vb tracks
[09:33:28] <RikusW> but 0805 should work too
[09:33:41] * megal0maniac hopes so :P
[09:33:53] <RikusW> 0805 == 080 mil x 050 mil
[09:34:02] <Richard_Cavell> You know, most of what they discuss on ##electronics is how to solder small SMD components
[09:34:08] <RikusW> 1210 = 120 x 100 mil
[09:36:14] <megal0maniac> Richard_Cavell: Touched those AVRs yet?
[09:36:23] <Richard_Cavell> no mate
[09:36:31] <Richard_Cavell> I'm still revising from my study list
[09:36:33] <RikusW> megal0maniac: the 271 resistor connected to the LED on U2S is 0805 and the USB 22E ones is 0603
[09:36:37] <Richard_Cavell> I am so frigging bored
[09:37:10] <megal0maniac> RikusW: That's good. 0805 is what I had in mind
[09:37:21] <Richard_Cavell> megal0maniac: This is what I've studied this year. Do you think it's impressive or lame? http://ideone.com/JJMwQ
[09:40:07] <megal0maniac> Lame because no AVR :)
[09:40:13] <megal0maniac> Motorbike riding?
[09:40:26] <megal0maniac> (Cool otherwise)
[09:41:32] <Richard_Cavell> Yeah I got my bike license
[09:41:45] <Richard_Cavell> I also want to ride horses and jetskis
[09:42:02] <megal0maniac> I've been neglecting my bike. But I blame the rain
[09:55:42] <Richard_Cavell> megal0maniac: I could start studying AVR real soon
[09:55:58] <Richard_Cavell> I finished Braid a couple of days ago, finished Batman today, and will finish After Effects training tomorrow
[09:58:30] <RikusW> training ? more like gaming :-P
[10:01:09] <Richard_Cavell> ha ha
[10:01:25] <Richard_Cavell> Well Ikeep track of computer games etc and study them
[10:01:57] <RikusW> Braid looks cool
[10:02:07] <RikusW> Richard_Cavell: how about finishing Meatboy ?
[10:02:14] <Richard_Cavell> Don't know that
[10:02:23] <megal0maniac> You should :)
[10:02:31] <megal0maniac> SUUUUPERRR MEATBOY!
[10:02:44] <RikusW> its insanely difficult in some levels....
[10:03:06] * megal0maniac buys Humble Bundles
[10:03:30] <Richard_Cavell> One thing I want to do is watch DVDs of TV shows
[10:03:48] <Richard_Cavell> Like, buy the entire Golden Girls/Fawlty Towers/etc
[10:07:44] <megal0maniac> Richard_Cavell: Do you give to the poor?
[10:07:57] * RikusW is almost finished with SG1 (all 10 seasons) :)
[10:08:45] <megal0maniac> RikusW: You run Debian, right? x86 or x64?
[10:08:53] <RikusW> 86
[10:09:06] <RikusW> p4 celeron on i845....
[10:09:32] <RikusW> celeron D 2.4GHz
[10:12:43] <RikusW> Oh and I fixed my VC++5 help that was broken using: [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main\FeatureControl\FEATURE_DISABLE_MK_PROTOCOL] “MSDEV.EXE”=dword:00000000
[10:12:54] <RikusW> Finally :) :)
[10:13:36] <Richard_Cavell> megal0maniac: No I don't. I am poor.
[10:17:17] <megal0maniac> RikusW: Thought maybe I'd send you some humble bundle games :P They're all cross-platform, and I've collected like 40 of them
[10:20:21] <RikusW> megal0maniac: my brother downloads them too
[10:20:42] <RikusW> my PC is too slow for Meatboy :( I think lack of shaders is the problem....
[10:21:14] <Richard_Cavell> megal0maniac: That's an interesting question, do I give to the poor?
[10:21:16] <Richard_Cavell> I *am* the poor
[10:23:43] <megal0maniac> [09:33:45] <Richard_Cavell> I don't care about cost.
[10:23:45] <megal0maniac> :P
[10:36:23] <Richard_Cavell> Well you've got to put it in context
[10:36:23] <megal0maniac> Yeah, I know :)
[10:36:30] <megal0maniac> I'm pulling your leg, mate
[10:36:49] <Richard_Cavell> I'm saying that I'll spend $300 now rather than $50 on a programmer, sinceif I buy the right thing it might save me buying the more expensive one anyway
[10:47:16] <megal0maniac> Mainly because when I started, I didn't know enough about AVR to be able to justify getting something like the STK600. And now that I do, I have hardware which combined, does most of what the STK600 does anyway. So now I get purpose built stuff as I need it
[10:47:29] <Richard_Cavell> yep
[10:48:26] <Richard_Cavell> Well I can schedule the AVR stuff next for some excitement
[10:50:52] <megal0maniac> Richard_Cavell: You consider getting an xboard or U2S? :)
[10:50:59] <Richard_Cavell> nope
[10:51:30] <megal0maniac> For you, they'd make good development platforms
[10:52:36] <megal0maniac> You probably wouldn't use the U2S for the programming features, but it's a handy development board for the USB range of atmegas.
[10:52:44] <Richard_Cavell> yep
[10:52:49] <megal0maniac> And the xboard has a ton of peripherals
[10:53:03] <megal0maniac> Looking at the datasheet got me all excited
[10:53:58] <megal0maniac> Heh. Just looking at your list again
[10:54:22] <megal0maniac> 4 RODE NTG-1 mics arrived today
[10:55:21] <Richard_Cavell> that's my day job at the moment
[10:56:07] <megal0maniac> Boom swinger?
[10:56:27] <Richard_Cavell> well, yes.
[10:56:29] <Richard_Cavell> I do every job
[10:56:41] <Richard_Cavell> I'm a TV producer for a disability services company
[10:56:52] <Richard_Cavell> I'm the only able-bodied intellectually-normal crew member
[10:57:10] <megal0maniac> Sounds pretty interesting
[10:57:28] <Richard_Cavell> it's a tough bloody gig
[10:57:36] <megal0maniac> We've got an NTG-3 as well. All with zepplins
[10:57:39] <Richard_Cavell> how good is the NTG-3?
[10:57:45] <Richard_Cavell> I wish the NTG-1 could be used further away
[10:57:48] <Richard_Cavell> ie out of camera shot
[10:58:04] <megal0maniac> To be honest, the NTG-1s are still in the boxes
[10:58:25] <megal0maniac> And I haven't used the NTG-3 much. I deal more with the recording studios
[10:58:35] <megal0maniac> So I can't compare
[10:58:57] <Richard_Cavell> The NTG-1 is really good
[10:58:59] <Richard_Cavell> surprisingly good
[10:59:09] <Richard_Cavell> we use it as a handheld mic too because it's the only mic we own
[10:59:26] <megal0maniac> Funny, though. We have 4x NTG-1s and an NTG-3, but only 1 boom. And it isn't in great shape either
[10:59:34] <Richard_Cavell> ha ha
[10:59:47] <Richard_Cavell> I once operated a boom where every single connection had been replaced with gaffer tape
[11:00:09] <megal0maniac> Heh. Stuck on long :)
[11:00:11] <Richard_Cavell> it was once a fully functioning boom but over the years had degenerated into a pole
[11:01:16] * megal0maniac goes to look in the safe
[11:05:07] <Steffanx>
[11:08:19] <RikusW> megal0maniac: how far can those mics pick up sound ?
[11:08:29] <RikusW> and at max gain ?
[11:10:00] <megal0maniac> RikusW: I haven't really checked
[11:10:10] * RikusW did sound sound stuff
[11:10:32] <Steffanx> sound sound ..
[11:10:33] <RikusW> so I maxed out the gain on a onstage mic to listen at whats going ont
[11:10:55] <RikusW> just had to make sure no one taps that mic.... I was using headphones.....
[11:11:02] <OndraSter> ....
[11:11:30] <RikusW> its impressive what a normal handheld mic can pick up
[11:11:51] <megal0maniac> RikusW: But compare a condenser to a dynamic. THEN you'll be impressed
[11:12:13] <megal0maniac> And then an NTG-x even more so
[11:12:29] <RikusW> price ranges for those ?
[11:12:41] * megal0maniac goes back to check invoice
[11:13:38] <OndraSter> why isnt my stellaris order show up on my ti orders? :(
[11:13:46] <OndraSter> showing
[11:14:10] <specing> Ha, so you ordered one too?
[11:14:12] <specing> :)
[11:14:15] <OndraSter> no
[11:14:31] <megal0maniac> RikusW: We paid just over R2000 for the NTG-1
[11:14:46] <OndraSter> i ordered 2 even
[11:14:56] <OndraSter> KNOW YOUR ENEMY!
[11:15:40] <specing> hehe
[11:15:55] <specing> I think #avr is about to get a whole more lonely ;)
[11:16:49] <OndraSter> time to create xboard :D
[11:18:22] <megal0maniac> OndraSter: create xboard?
[11:18:29] <OndraTabby> channel
[11:19:02] <megal0maniac> ##xboard
[11:19:46] <OndraTabby> Also, can you put arduino shield on the Stellaris?
[11:19:52] <OndraTabby> : P
[11:21:07] <AR__> i have an attiny45
[11:21:22] <OndraTabby> I do not
[11:21:23] <AR__> i want to read analog value 1, store it, read analog value 2 (on same pin) a few seconds later, compare value1 and value2 in the analog comparator to trigger interrupt
[11:21:34] <AR__> possible?
[11:22:09] <AR__> analog comparator + pin will be tied to analog read pin
[11:22:17] <specing> AR__: that is not how the analog comparator works
[11:22:34] <AR__> comparator - pin will be tied to the delayed value which is output on another pin
[11:22:52] <AR__> but is it possible to output an analog value
[11:22:56] <AR__> (pwm?)
[11:23:00] <AR__> on the 45
[11:24:10] <specing> http://www.drbillbailey.net/images/startrek-bluescreen.gif
[11:24:26] <specing> lol
[11:24:42] <specing> AR__: again, that is not how the acomp works
[11:24:52] <AR__> how then
[11:25:12] <specing> you ADC the first value, store it, then ADC the second one and compare them
[11:25:17] <specing> *@#&$^ simple.
[11:25:28] <AR__> "The Analog Comparator compares the input values on the positive pin AIN0 and negative pin
[11:25:28] <AR__> AIN1. When the voltage on the positive pin AIN0 is higher than the voltage on the negative pin AIN1, the Analog Comparator output, ACO, is set. The comparator can trigger a separate interrupt, exclusive to the Analog Comparator"
[11:25:52] <specing> exactly
[11:26:10] <AR__> so what is best way to go about my problem
[11:26:39] <specing> I just told you
[11:26:46] <AR__> read value1, wait a few secs, read value2, compare
[11:40:33] <megal0maniac> OndraSter: I have 16byte eeprom chips
[11:40:37] <megal0maniac> :P
[11:41:28] <megal0maniac> OndraTabby even...
[11:43:10] <megal0maniac> What's with all the nicks, anyway? OndraSter, OndraSterver, OSter, OndraTabby...
[11:43:24] <OndraTabby> useless EPROM
[11:43:33] <megal0maniac> NOT USELESS
[11:43:34] <OndraTabby> well
[11:44:00] <megal0maniac> I can fit my whole name and surname, with a space, into 16byte :)
[11:44:01] <OndraTabby> l will explain 'nicks when I get home
[11:44:31] <OndraTabby> not in UTF
[11:44:49] <megal0maniac> ASCII
[11:44:51] <OndraTabby> :P
[11:45:18] <specing> Just wait till OndraTabby hit the max connlimit
[11:45:29] <OndraTabby> haha
[11:45:39] <OndraTabby> diff ip :P
[11:46:54] <OndraTabby> I am on EduROAM at school
[11:47:04] <megal0maniac> Odd
[11:47:18] <megal0maniac> That's the wireless ap name at the University here
[11:47:19] <OndraTabby> which is known on good universities
[11:47:25] <megal0maniac> (too)
[11:47:48] <OndraTabby> check the internet for what it means
[11:47:54] <megal0maniac> "Good" universities don't teach on freescale :P
[11:48:04] <OndraTabby> lol
[11:49:27] <AR__> i used atmega8515 at my uni
[11:49:29] <AR__> lol
[11:49:56] <megal0maniac> Checked. That's clever
[11:50:22] <OndraTabby> we had Atmel's AT91SAM7S
[11:50:42] <OndraTabby> before that Intel 196
[11:50:44] <OndraTabby> lol
[11:50:51] <AR__> on STK500 boards
[11:51:21] <megal0maniac> The Freescale GT16 has a weird instruction set
[11:51:28] <megal0maniac> But the general idea is the same
[11:51:39] <megal0maniac> (Since they're teaching in asm)
[11:51:43] <AR__> i think there is a course here that goes into motorola uCs
[11:52:26] <OndraTabby> 8051 clones ? :P
[11:52:34] <OndraTabby> or 68k
[11:53:02] <AR__> we actually learned 8080 assembly in my intro to computer engineering class
[11:53:05] <AR__> lol
[11:53:31] <OndraTabby> We had bits and pieces of 8086
[11:53:34] <AR__> and i found an 8080 in the lab
[11:54:19] <OndraTabby> I have get plenty of Z80 and 8031/8051
[11:54:24] <OndraTabby> at home
[11:54:43] <AR__> lol
[11:54:56] <OndraTabby> incl. Eproms, PlOs,...
[11:56:25] <specing> Both my highschool and uni have EDUROAM
[11:56:52] <specing> Also my uni has a semiconductor fab, so I think they can make 8080 replicas if need be
[11:56:59] <OndraTabby> we have MSDNAA on both
[11:57:08] <OndraTabby> wow
[11:57:18] <specing> MSDNAA costs them $1 per student per year
[11:57:25] <specing> or was it 1E?
[11:57:27] <specing> hmm
[11:57:32] <OndraTabby> no idea
[11:57:39] <megal0maniac> eduroam is currently in a proof-of-concept (trial) phase in South Africa
[11:57:44] <AR__> we have MSDNAA also for computer science and engineering department
[11:57:44] <megal0maniac> says the website
[11:57:45] <Steffanx> I wonder if i can access EDUROAM there where you live as well specing
[11:58:00] <megal0maniac> But it seems to work pretty well
[11:58:08] <OndraTabby> Eduroam users ane intl.
[11:58:16] <Steffanx> Ah, so that's a yes
[11:58:23] <Steffanx> Not that I have plans to visit specing :P
[11:58:27] <OndraTabby> yes
[11:58:33] <OndraTabby> or me?
[11:58:39] <megal0maniac> Or me?
[11:59:04] <OndraTabby> bootstrapping-wesome.org
[11:59:11] <OndraTabby> awesome
[11:59:17] <megal0maniac> heh
[11:59:27] <megal0maniac> We don't have that...
[11:59:49] <OndraTabby> part of Linux Days
[12:00:01] <specing> Steffanx: yes you can
[12:01:38] <specing> " Czech Technical University, which runs Gentoo on all its servers and desktop machines! "
[12:01:47] <specing> Really?
[12:01:55] <OndraTabby> except Suns
[12:02:05] <OndraTabby> those run SunOS
[12:02:55] <AR__> we have a sunlab
[12:03:14] <AR__> solaris
[12:03:31] <specing> OndraTabby: that makes me want to move to prague
[12:03:41] <OndraTabby> We have thin clients connected to the Snns
[12:03:45] <OndraTabby> Suns
[12:03:51] <OndraTabby> hah
[12:03:53] <specing> fire the sun admins
[12:03:56] <OndraTabby> come!
[12:03:59] <OndraTabby> lol
[12:04:10] <specing> I'll get Gentoo rolling up there in less than a day
[12:04:37] <OndraTabby> and thin clients?
[12:05:10] <OndraTabby> Sun Ray v2
[12:05:27] <specing> no problem
[12:05:35] <specing> How much is 650CZK?
[12:06:03] <OndraTabby> 26 euro or so
[12:06:16] <OndraTabby> 36 USD
[12:07:08] <specing> 26E per night is quire cheap loLOL
[12:07:33] <specing> when I was in paris I paid 100E/night
[12:08:47] <OndraTabby> wow
[12:13:28] <RikusW> megal0maniac R2000 is expensive... how does that compare to a condenser mic ?
[12:15:45] <megal0maniac> RikusW: That is a condenser mic, but a highly directional one (specifically for film, where it needs to be out of shot but not sound far away)
[12:16:15] <RikusW> I'm more interested in high gain omnidirectional
[12:16:33] <megal0maniac> RikusW: AKG C414B-XLS? :P
[12:16:43] <megal0maniac> About R12 000
[12:16:50] <megal0maniac> But very nice
[12:17:15] <RikusW> http://www.rodemic.com/mics/ntg-1
[12:17:19] <RikusW> too expensive
[12:17:27] <megal0maniac> The nicest mics we have here, actually. But they get even more expensive than that
[12:17:48] <RikusW> I'm thinking audio surveilance in a grid with say 500 - 1000m spacing
[12:17:56] <RikusW> say 50 mics in total or so
[12:18:11] <specing> why not LASERS?
[12:18:26] <RikusW> uneven terrain ?
[12:18:57] <RikusW> specing: unless its 1GW lasers, then the security problem will just vanish :-D
[12:19:10] <specing> Why not just get mines?
[12:19:24] <specing> they don't need power and stuff
[12:19:31] <RikusW> well, they don't discriminate....
[12:19:39] <megal0maniac> RikusW: Parabolic mics :)
[12:20:10] <specing> RikusW: oops ;)
[12:20:14] <RikusW> megal0maniac: thinking more like an array, then you can pinpoint the location of the sound
[12:20:39] <RikusW> specing: it will blow up cattle humans and anything else....
[12:21:14] <RikusW> megal0maniac the main problems is power supply and bandwidth to get all that audio to a PC....
[12:21:41] <RikusW> or maybe do some processing at the mic itself using and ARM
[12:21:46] <RikusW> *an
[12:24:37] <megal0maniac> RikusW: Whatever you get, you'll want it to be a condenser. You could test out one of those very small mics (like the ones used on mp3 players) with an lm386 or similar for pre-amplification
[12:24:52] <megal0maniac> The lm386 can give something ridiculous like 200x gain
[12:25:12] <RikusW> hmm isn't that used to drive a speaker ?
[12:25:18] <megal0maniac> Can be
[12:25:35] <RikusW> whats wron with an opamp ?
[12:26:49] <megal0maniac> Okay, not the 386 :P
[12:27:05] <megal0maniac> Someone suggested INA217
[12:28:53] <megal0maniac> And if you can somehow create a circuit which ouputs a balanced signal, and can work on "phantom power", then you'll get a cleaner signal and provide power to the circuit too
[12:29:47] <megal0maniac> RikusW: Do you know the principle of balanced audio?
[12:30:13] <RikusW> you mean differential signal ?
[12:30:26] <megal0maniac> I think so
[12:30:35] <RikusW> I know phantom power...
[12:30:49] <megal0maniac> You have signal, inverse signal and gnd
[12:30:50] <RikusW> I've wired quite a few canon and jack connectors :)
[12:31:25] <megal0maniac> You combine the signal and the inverse of the inverse signal, and you get double the signal and cancel out the noise :)
[12:31:44] <megal0maniac> Which means stupidly long cable lengths don't pick up any noise
[12:31:52] <RikusW> once had to connect an entire snake to canon sockets.... (12 pairs or so)
[12:32:36] <RikusW> though I like the audio over ethernet idea much better
[12:32:51] <RikusW> cat5 is much much cheaper than a snake...
[12:32:59] <megal0maniac> Then you can power with PoE
[12:33:34] <megal0maniac> Wait. Just ethernet cable? or TCP/IP?
[12:34:03] <RikusW> firewire use 2 different power standards, I think 12V and 48V, plugging in incompatible devices can literally result in "firewire" ;)
[12:34:16] <RikusW> TCP/IP I think not sure
[12:34:44] <RikusW> or at least some protocol on top of MAC
[12:34:47] <megal0maniac> Why not just use the ethernet cable? The circuit to make a balanced signal will be way simpler and cheaper than encoding it
[12:34:59] <megal0maniac> (And use the analogue signal)
[12:35:32] <RikusW> you can put about 80 signals in digital form over 1 cable, not to talk about GB ethernet....
[12:35:45] <RikusW> 1000 channels :)
[12:35:52] <RikusW> well probably a bit less
[12:36:02] <megal0maniac> How would you encode, then? And power?
[12:36:05] <RikusW> still its much more than you'll ever need
[12:36:26] <RikusW> there is devices available that does just that
[12:36:37] <RikusW> just google around a bit
[12:36:57] <RikusW> afaik its cheaper than normal mixers + snake
[12:37:30] <RikusW> I considered building something like that, but googled around and saw it was already done
[12:37:39] <megal0maniac> RikusW: I'm not talking about going the whole way with pro-audio gear, just stealing some of the principles :)
[12:37:48] <RikusW> I didn't have enough experience with such things 10 years ago either....
[12:38:23] <RikusW> megal0maniac my 3A3 xplain board + PC should be able to do that cheaply
[12:38:36] <RikusW> just need to add some ADC + DAC
[12:39:03] <megal0maniac> Ah, and poll the ADC and transmit over IP?
[12:39:11] <RikusW> yes
[12:39:34] <RikusW> the 3A3 is the multiplexer onto USB
[12:39:44] <RikusW> or a ethernet AVR32 could be used
[12:40:50] <RikusW> so basically ADC + mux + ethernet
[12:41:01] <RikusW> and some DACs too
[12:42:55] <megal0maniac> ADC for decent audio is ridiculously expensive
[12:43:14] <RikusW> 16bit / 48kHz ?
[12:43:25] <megal0maniac> Well, it's in ksps
[12:43:39] <megal0maniac> I'm looking at 14 and 16bit
[12:44:43] <RikusW> I once used the PC serial port TX for a DAC ;)
[12:44:55] <RikusW> didn't sound too bad either, slightly fuzzy
[12:45:01] <RikusW> I used 115200bps
[12:45:09] <RikusW> and a low pass filter
[12:45:24] <RikusW> 2 on bits means 1 up
[12:45:31] <RikusW> 2 off bits 1 down
[12:45:41] <RikusW> 01 or 10 = stay the same
[12:46:06] <megal0maniac> That's pretty inventive :)
[12:46:25] <RikusW> then I made a small app that read a wav file and spit out the right data on the serial port...
[12:46:43] <RikusW> I couldn't do anything about the start and stop bits....
[12:47:09] <RikusW> Wait till you hear how I used a CRT as an AM transmitter :-P
[12:47:23] <RikusW> that was back in 2004
[12:47:44] <RikusW> in Linux the exact DOT clock is know
[12:47:48] <RikusW> *known
[12:48:13] <RikusW> and by putting the appropriate pattern on screen a tone could be hear on the radio
[12:48:32] <RikusW> varying the pattern changed the pitch heard on the radio
[12:48:38] <megal0maniac> Could you modulate it to make actual sound?
[12:48:57] <RikusW> I didn't try to transmit any audio, but guess it could be done
[12:49:36] <megal0maniac> Very cool :)
[12:49:51] <RikusW> in short I divided the screen into squares and each square into 2 triangles, on black the other white...
[12:50:31] <RikusW> iirc that is
[12:51:07] <megal0maniac> I need to try stuff like this
[12:51:29] <RikusW> guess the best way to transmit audio would be to create a special video...
[12:51:46] <RikusW> and you'll have to know the exact DOT clock
[12:51:53] <RikusW> aka pixel clock
[12:52:09] <RikusW> in Linux you can actually change that
[12:52:23] * RikusW have some experience with modelines...
[12:53:08] <RikusW> the radio had to be nex to the monitor for it to work...
[12:53:17] <megal0maniac> Of course
[12:54:23] <RikusW> I jsut put out a sawtooth wave, was too lazy to calculate a proper sinewave
[12:54:41] <RikusW> just think of how software defined radio works
[12:54:59] <RikusW> I realized that I already had a high speed DAC at 100MHz or so :)
[12:55:07] <RikusW> the VGA card
[12:55:35] <RikusW> now you can get it for free, just grab a scrapped pentium 1 or 2
[12:55:45] <megal0maniac> Lol
[12:55:56] <megal0maniac> But an AVR which can talk to AGP? :P
[12:56:45] <RikusW> no
[12:56:52] <RikusW> AVR is way too slow
[12:57:59] * RikusW have like 20 old PCs lying around.....
[12:58:26] <RikusW> and a stack of 386 mb's
[12:59:05] <megal0maniac> It's a pity they're not worth anything anymore
[12:59:19] <RikusW> a 40MHz 386 can actually be a nice dev platform
[12:59:42] <RikusW> if a few megs of flash is added as a virtual hdd
[13:00:13] <RikusW> megal0maniac: lets travel back in time and sell it for a huge profit :-P
[13:01:48] <RikusW> just think what people in 1980 would say of a top end PC from today....
[13:02:12] <Landon> "How do you get to the BASIC prompt?
[13:02:50] <RikusW> just give then dosbox :-P
[13:05:03] <megal0maniac> I nearly bought a ZX20 the other day
[13:13:38] <megal0maniac> I must be lying because the ZX20 doesn't exist
[13:13:49] <RikusW> ZX80
[13:13:52] <megal0maniac> Well it was older than the spectrum
[13:13:57] <megal0maniac> Possibly
[13:15:42] <megal0maniac> I search for AVR and I get generators and UPSs. I search for "microchip" and I get lots of dogs.
[13:17:18] <RikusW> lol
[13:17:31] <RikusW> Automatic Voltage Regulation
[13:17:39] <megal0maniac> I know :)
[13:17:40] <RikusW> and RFID microchips...
[13:17:57] <megal0maniac> It just isn't what I'm looking for!!
[13:18:02] * megal0maniac rages
[13:32:26] <megal0maniac> I'm off. Cheers all
[13:32:34] <RikusW> gn
[13:35:29] <OndraSter> why gn
[13:35:31] <OndraSter> it is 2023 :P
[13:35:55] <OndraSter> about the nicks... OndraSter = my nickname, OndraSterver = me from my server, OSter = when OndraSter is taken, same for OSterver
[13:35:58] <OndraSter> OndraPhone = me from phone
[13:36:01] <OndraSter> and OndraTabby = me from my tablet pc
[13:36:05] <OndraSter> and OndraNB is me from notebook
[13:37:02] <Amadiro> OndraSter, and what about OndraToilet?
[13:38:24] <RikusW> lol
[13:55:02] <OndraSterver> Amadiro, that would be OndraPhone :P
[13:55:07] <OndraSterver> or OndraSterver if I RDP to server
[13:55:09] <OndraSterver> :P
[13:55:48] <Amadiro> OndraSterver, is "Ondra Sterver" actually your name?
[14:02:52] <OndraSterver> Amadiro, no
[14:02:55] <OndraSterver> Ondra is my name
[14:02:57] <OndraSterver> surname is not Sterver
[14:03:04] <OndraSterver> Ster = some crap google offered me 5 years ago
[14:03:13] <OndraSterver> Sterver = Ster + server
[14:03:16] <OndraSterver> :P
[14:03:35] <OndraSterver> megal0maniac_afk will soon know my whole name and address.
[14:12:20] <Jan-> hihi guys
[14:12:30] <RikusW> hi Jan-
[14:12:31] <Jan-> I have here an avr breadboard programming adaptor.
[14:12:47] <Jan-> it's mainly just a 6 pin dip socket to a row of 6 pins adaptor
[14:12:57] <Jan-> but it has on it two capacitors, one 10 microfarad, one 0.1 microfarad
[14:13:36] <RikusW> 10uF on the programming lines is bad news
[14:13:44] <Jan-> oh it works fine
[14:13:51] <RikusW> you might get away with 100nF
[14:13:55] <Jan-> if we wanted to make a board with a programming header on it that had the 6 pin layout so we could plug the same cable in, would we need to include those capacitors?
[14:14:01] <RikusW> 10uF on which line ?
[14:14:09] <Jan-> I uhoh.
[14:14:29] <Jan-> Tom_itx made it, he might know.
[14:14:29] <talin_> hello. when you write C code for an AVR MCU, is it normal C? i mean, is it the full C specification? and should you be using c89, c99, c11?
[14:14:31] * Jan- pokes Tom_itx
[14:14:37] <RikusW> I've programmed AVRs without any caps connected
[14:15:33] <RikusW> talin_: its more or less normal C with headers to access the IO registers
[14:16:16] <RikusW> so PORTB is actually a pointer and you can do PORTB = 0;
[14:16:31] <talin_> RikusW: ah, okay
[14:16:41] <Jan-> Otherwise you'd have to know what the actual address of the portb register was, I guess.
[14:16:58] <RikusW> Jan-: it can be accessed that way too
[14:17:10] <Jan-> 0xdeadbeef = 1?
[14:17:24] <RikusW> thats for the voodoo cards ;)
[14:17:50] <RikusW> they actually have that address on them, not sure what it actually does...
[14:18:05] <RikusW> but I've seen it in the Linux kernel drivers
[14:18:26] <RikusW> its probably used while playing DOOM :-D
[14:18:45] <Jan-> how do you even assign directly to a memory address
[14:20:08] <RikusW> use a pointer
[14:20:39] <Jan-> for example?
[14:20:42] <RikusW> or the sts/lds st/ld instructions
[14:20:56] <Jan-> oh what, like sti and ldi on x86
[14:21:12] <Jan-> ("immediate")
[14:21:20] <RikusW> there is no ldi on x86....
[14:21:50] <RikusW> sts have an immediate address to store to
[14:22:34] <RikusW> st/ld use the X Y Z registers in the AVR (mapped to r26 to r31)
[14:22:55] <Jan-> er
[14:22:58] <Jan-> what am I thinking of then
[14:23:04] <Jan-> I've written asm with ldi in it
[14:23:12] <RikusW> x86 use mov eax,1234
[14:23:15] <Jan-> 68000?
[14:23:20] <RikusW> ldi is AVR
[14:23:32] <Jan-> nono I've never written avr assembler
[14:23:45] <Jan-> wouldn't know how
[14:34:52] <Jan-> I guess we'll just put a 6x1 header socket on the board
[14:34:58] <Jan-> then we can include the Tom_itx adapter thing and we know it's good.
[14:35:06] <Jan-> s'more convenient anyway
[14:48:00] <Tom_itx> RikusW, it's on the power pins
[14:54:01] <RikusW> Tom_itx: My programmer also has 10uF onboard but I've programmed AVRs on breadboard without any extra caps
[14:54:21] <RikusW> seems to work just fine
[14:57:04] <Tom_itx> i just put those there since it was a breadboard adapter
[15:03:12] * Jan- reviews
[15:03:29] <Jan-> does this mean we can overlook them when putting a programming header on the final PCB
[15:33:47] <OndraSterver> what is the current version of avr-libc?
[15:33:57] <OndraSterver> I could only find one from 2009 or so and it doesn't have the latest chips
[15:34:58] <Tom_itx> i dunno, i think rue_house compiled it
[15:35:06] <specing> OndraSterver: giiiiiiiit
[15:35:07] <Tom_itx> not sure where he got source
[15:35:13] <OndraSterver> hmm it is post2009
[15:35:20] <OndraSterver> but the last changelog is from 2009
[15:35:24] <OndraSterver> git might be the answer
[15:35:25] <OndraSterver> let's see
[15:36:03] <Tom_itx> what about the ver that comes with studio 6?
[15:36:08] <Tom_itx> you can get it by itself
[15:36:15] <Tom_itx> does that include libc?
[15:36:59] <OndraSterver> it surely does
[15:39:15] <Tom_itx> i didn't find it on their site but i didn't look very hard
[15:40:20] <OndraSterver> on svn there is more files
[15:40:39] <specing> pull it to git, then
[15:43:08] <Roklobsta> hey, quick qurstions, PWM is only available on the OCnA outputs, right?
[15:43:43] <OndraSterver> hardware PWM, yes
[15:43:45] <Tom_itx> generally
[15:43:50] <Tom_itx> unless you bit bang it
[15:44:04] <OndraSterver> aye, you can simply fire up one interrupt on OC match and toggle any pin
[15:44:10] <OndraSterver> and then toggle it at ovf back
[15:44:42] <OndraSterver> ls
[15:45:18] <specing> You are in a dark dungeon
[15:45:32] <specing> you see three rocks on the floor
[15:45:35] <Roklobsta> yeah i mean pwm using the timers
[15:45:52] <Tom_itx> how can you see in a dark dungeon?
[15:45:54] <Roklobsta> i'd like to use the cpu as little as possible
[15:46:19] <specing> Tom_itx: you have nightvision
[15:46:26] <OndraSterver> and are you a ninja too?
[15:46:38] <Tom_itx> well get that flashlight outta my eyes then
[15:46:58] <Roklobsta> crap is this #avrzork?
[15:47:07] <Tom_itx> uh huh
[15:47:17] <Roklobsta> who is the Grue?
[15:47:48] <Tom_itx> OndraSterver
[15:48:39] <OndraSterver> wat
[15:48:47] <OndraSterver> no, I have never played zork
[15:48:53] <OndraSterver> 2young
[15:49:10] <specing> then do so
[15:49:15] <asteve> zorkzork
[15:57:07] <OndraSterver> hmm even the SVNed version of avr-gcc lacks chips like xmega32a4u or 256a3u
[16:05:22] <Roklobsta> has someone ported zork to the avr?
[16:24:11] <OndraSterver> Roklobsta, hmm on some 128x64 display it might not be a bad idea
[16:24:15] <OndraSterver> or 20x4 character
[16:24:21] <OndraSterver> although 20x4 is not much :D
[16:24:22] <OndraSterver> for text
[16:25:37] <OndraSterver> rue_house, rue_bed, rue_shop3 - any of you around?
[16:25:48] <Tom_itx> maybe in 2 or 3 hrs
[16:25:55] <OndraSterver> I will be asleep by then
[16:27:56] <OndraSterver> the thing is - even the latest avr-libc from svn does not have internal support for xmega a3u interestingly
[16:28:03] <OndraSterver> and atmel claims that they have compiled it using the 1.8.0
[16:28:06] <OndraSterver> in as6
[16:29:27] <Tom_itx> i'll hunt for it later
[16:29:37] <Tom_itx> or ask abcminiuser where to find it
[16:29:42] <OndraSterver> yeah
[16:30:01] <OndraSterver> I would like to compile my own toolset - and add support for the "newer" chips (aka the ones past 2005) which do not need SP initialization etc
[16:30:10] <OndraSterver> since it is now pre-loaded on RESET
[16:30:13] <OndraSterver> (SPL and SPH registers)
[16:42:50] <OndraSterver> HAA
[16:42:52] <OndraSterver> gcrt1.S
[18:50:49] <rue_house> OndraSterver, yes
[19:50:45] <Tom_L> OndraSterver, when you wake up: http://www.atmel.com/tools/ATMELAVRTOOLCHAINFORLINUX.aspx
[19:53:38] <Tom_L> or
[19:53:40] <Tom_L> http://www.atmel.com/tools/ATMELAVRTOOLCHAINFORWINDOWS.aspx
[19:54:10] <Tom_L> shipped separate or with studio 6
[20:15:28] <Lt_Lemming> anyone here familiar with using V-USB on ATtiny85?
[20:22:08] <damjan> Lt_Lemming: have you seen http://littlewire.cc/ ?
[20:22:29] <damjan> I'm planning to make it on saturday on our regular "share of knowledge" thing
[20:23:24] <Lt_Lemming> more wondering about the hardware implementation
[20:23:31] <Lt_Lemming> working on a board based around it atm
[20:24:51] <damjan> he has the schematic and the board there
[22:59:14] <Lt_Lemming> http://imgur.com/KeL9a <--- Learn To Solder Badge
[23:52:49] <Eartaker> so I was thinking about buying a ATMega328P to play with but not sure what I need to get the mcu running
[23:52:56] <OndraSterver> thanks Tom_itx
[23:53:43] <Casper> Eartaker: a 5V power source (7805 for example)
[23:53:47] <Casper> and a programmer
[23:53:50] <Eartaker> I have been playing with the arduino but would like to try my luck at an actual AVR chip, I'm ordering a programmer and a 20mhz crystal along with the chiip
[23:54:00] <Eartaker> Casper: thats it?
[23:54:09] <Casper> the crystal need some capacitors
[23:54:17] <Casper> usually 20pf caps, 2 of 'em
[23:54:20] <Eartaker> ahh
[23:54:35] <Kevin`> you don't NEED a crystal to run the chip
[23:54:39] <Kevin`> it has an internal oscillator
[23:54:57] <Eartaker> rithe but i need a crystal is I intend to use a timer thought dont I?
[23:55:00] <Eartaker> right*
[23:55:14] <Eartaker> Kevin ?
[23:55:15] <Eartaker> oh
[23:55:16] <Eartaker> hmm
[23:56:17] <Casper> all function of the avr can be used without crystal
[23:56:20] <Casper> except that
[23:56:28] <Casper> you can't get full speed without a crystal
[23:56:37] <Casper> and the internal oscillator is unstable and imprecise
[23:56:44] <Casper> so unsuited for precise timing
[23:57:01] <Eartaker> ill go with the crystal then
[23:57:03] <Eartaker> then
[23:57:03] <Casper> which mean that even plain serial "uart" is a problem
[23:57:08] <Casper> also
[23:58:14] <Casper> you might want to consider to use...
[23:58:15] <Casper> let me check
[23:58:49] <Casper> 14.7456MHz or 18.432MHz
[23:59:03] <Eartaker> hmm
[23:59:04] <Casper> those are perfect speed for uart
[23:59:16] <Casper> it divide exactly to the right speed
[23:59:21] <Casper> with 0% error