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[06:15:12] <fdo> hi
[06:15:58] <AnalogSound> hello
[06:16:27] <fdo> I have two AVR board and i try to dump the firmware fron one to copy them to the second.
[06:16:53] <fdo> hi AnalogSound
[06:18:47] <fdo> i use avrdude -> avrdude -p m32 -c stk500v2 -p /dev(ttyACM0 -vv -U flash:r:dump.hex
[06:19:03] <fdo> -p /dev/ttyACM0
[06:20:06] <fdo> the dump didnt have the same size and if i flash that dump on the second, it simply doesnt works
[06:20:10] <fdo> any idea??
[06:21:03] <AnalogSound> could be a protection problem.... hmmm
[06:21:53] <AnalogSound> why don't you use another programming software
[06:21:59] <AnalogSound> like extreme burner
[06:23:47] <fdo> like i have no experience with other Software :o)
[06:24:34] <fdo> but if i try: avrdude -p m32 -c stk500v2 -P /dev/ttyACM0 -v
[06:24:40] <fdo> i get
[06:24:53] <fdo> Block Poll Page Polled
[06:24:53] <fdo> Memory Type Mode Delay Size Indx Paged Size Size #Pages MinW MaxW ReadBack
[06:24:53] <fdo> ----------- ---- ----- ----- ---- ------ ------ ---- ------ ----- ----- ---------
[06:24:53] <fdo> eeprom 4 10 64 0 no 1024 4 0 9000 9000 0xff 0xff
[06:24:53] <fdo> flash 33 6 64 0 yes 32768 128 256 4500 4500 0xff 0xff
[06:24:57] <fdo> lfuse 0 0 0 0 no 1 0 0 2000 2000 0x00 0x00
[06:24:57] <fdo> hfuse 0 0 0 0 no 1 0 0 2000 2000 0x00 0x00
[06:25:00] <fdo> lock 0 0 0 0 no 1 0 0 2000 2000 0x00 0x00
[06:25:00] <fdo> signature 0 0 0 0 no 3 0 0 0 0 0x00 0x00
[06:25:03] <fdo> calibration 0 0 0 0 no 4 0 0 0 0 0x00 0x00
[06:25:08] <fdo> so i thon ther is no locking enabled
[06:25:23] <Fleck> fdo use pastebin
[06:25:38] <fdo> ok sorry
[06:43:46] <fdo> again one question: is it possible to make a backup of the installed firmware?
[07:19:31] <megal0maniac_afk> fdo: Do you have access to a Windows box?
[07:20:32] <megal0maniac> With atmel studio, you can just click "read" and "write
[07:20:34] <megal0maniac> "
[07:21:09] <megal0maniac> And easily check if lockbits are set
[07:22:34] <karlp> gdo, it's also quite possible that the fuse bits don't match
[07:22:47] <karlp> for instance, having the clkdiv8 fuse set will definitely stop them working
[07:22:51] <megal0maniac> That too
[07:22:53] <karlp> or the clock source bits
[07:23:04] <karlp> or even the size of the bootloader section
[07:23:16] <karlp> or maybe it needs certain fields in eeprom programmed
[07:28:05] <megal0maniac> fdo: Did you get that?
[07:28:12] <fdo> @megal0maniac no i dint hav e windows, but at the moment i install avr studion on wine :o)
[07:28:18] <fdo> didnt
[07:28:21] <fdo> have
[07:29:40] <Fleck> ohh my
[07:29:42] <megal0maniac> As karlp pointed out, the actual firmware is one part of many which make up the AVR's memory. The firmware relies on fuse bits to be set in a particular way, and sometimes eeprom to be programmed. So you should check all of those things
[07:30:22] <megal0maniac> Fleck: Mmm?
[07:30:32] <Fleck> what have you done megal0maniac
[07:30:40] <megal0maniac> What have I done?
[07:30:48] <Fleck> poor guy now install AVR Studio in wine...
[07:30:54] <Fleck> *installs
[07:30:57] <megal0maniac> :|
[07:31:02] <megal0maniac> I see...
[07:31:04] <specing> fdo: wtf why are you installing avr studio?
[07:32:25] <Richard_Cavell> megal0maniac: Are you saying that an AVR has firmware on it builtin?
[07:33:09] <megal0maniac> What do you mean?
[07:33:11] <karlp> Richard_Cavell: no,
[07:33:37] <karlp> he (and I) were implying that simply the contents of flash are not (always) enough to copy to another device to make it run like the old one
[07:33:44] <Richard_Cavell> ok
[07:33:59] <karlp> but, if you're paying, you can get them from the factory programmed anyway you like
[07:34:04] <megal0maniac> fdo: I don't condone the installing of Atmel Studio on anything other than a proper Windows installation. :)
[07:34:21] <karlp> (I don't condone instlling atmel studio, fwiw)
[07:34:24] <fdo> @specing i dont know if eclipse + avr plugin supports debuging with jtag ice
[07:34:42] <fdo> @megal0mania :P
[07:35:29] <megal0maniac> karlp: Each to their own :)
[07:35:44] <fdo> @Richard_Cavell i byed an ju-mcu minimal avr bord, this have an buildin uslbootloader
[07:35:59] <Richard_Cavell> ok
[07:36:06] <Richard_Cavell> not the same thing
[07:36:24] <Richard_Cavell> I thought megalo was describing something along the lines of firmware for the AVR itself
[07:36:32] <Richard_Cavell> Like all modern Intel CPUs have upgradeable microcode
[07:36:43] <Richard_Cavell> and must be updated through software after the chip's manufacture
[07:36:48] <Richard_Cavell> or else you get buggz
[07:37:39] <specing> fdo: you don't need debugging if you write 100% correct code
[07:38:04] <Richard_Cavell> specing: also assuming the hardware runs that code 100% perfectly
[07:38:12] <megal0maniac> And you probably want to stay away from jtagice mkI anyway :P
[07:38:22] <fdo> @specing :) in german i would say "Last es uns tun wie Männer"
[07:39:20] <specing> Doesen't matter, Im a robot
[07:41:18] <fdo> :o)
[07:43:15] <Fleck> http://privatepaste.com/3f38f4ce9d << this is for attiny9, can onyone help me to convert this for attiny13A?
[07:43:24] <Fleck> *anyone
[07:44:00] <Fleck> there is no SPH for 13A, also CCP
[07:44:05] <specing> Fleck: whats so hard in porting that?
[07:44:19] <specing> who needs SPH?
[07:44:19] <Fleck> i don't know asm :D
[07:44:27] <specing> lol
[07:44:39] <specing> Guess now is the time to learn it
[07:45:06] <Fleck> out SPH, r16 << in code
[07:45:18] <specing> and?
[07:45:26] <Fleck> 13A has no SPH register
[07:45:36] <specing> so?
[07:46:05] <Fleck> ...
[07:46:21] <megal0maniac> Datasheet :)
[07:46:25] <AnalogSound> :))
[07:47:04] <AnalogSound> mov along,elsewhere
[07:47:20] <megal0maniac> I want a bot which replies with datasheet link when it sees the name of a uC
[07:47:27] <megal0maniac> Maybe I'll make one
[07:47:48] <AnalogSound> try and modify eggdrop
[07:48:37] <Fleck> lol... thx for nothing ;D
[07:49:29] <AnalogSound> Fleck, you have to see the compatibility between uC and after that modify the code
[07:49:42] <AnalogSound> and for this you should look in DS for both of them
[07:50:18] <specing> megal0maniac: make on on an AVR
[07:50:18] <specing> one*
[07:50:46] <Fleck> AnalogSound srsly? why do you think I'm so stupid? :D
[07:50:50] <megal0maniac> specing: Only if I can compile eggdrop for avr :P
[07:50:57] <specing> megal0maniac: lol
[07:51:14] <specing> Fleck: because you are asking ... questions
[07:51:15] <AnalogSound> megal0maniac, i'm sure that would run under an embeded version of linux :D
[07:51:29] <megal0maniac> AnalogSound: It does
[07:51:37] <specing> I could run an eggdrop on an AT91SAM :P
[07:51:38] <megal0maniac> OpenWRT
[07:51:43] <specing> AT91SAM!
[07:52:45] <fdo> A second question, i compiled ethersex. The ethersex.hex is 42k. If i write it on my device and dump it again, than the size ist 35k?!
[07:53:25] <megal0maniac> ether sex...?
[07:53:47] <specing> avrdude does 32B row dumps while gcc produces 16b hex
[07:53:54] <specing> hence the 7k
[07:54:01] <specing> diff.
[07:54:02] <fdo> jes ethersex
[07:54:05] <fdo> yes
[07:55:12] <fdo> @specing ok the newline
[07:56:08] <specing> newline + line headers + checksum
[07:56:22] <specing> 10b/line
[07:56:46] <specing> 12*
[07:57:55] <fdo> so any idea to make it possible that i can use diff to check if the files are the same?
[07:59:32] <Fleck> specing whats wrong with my q? if you couldn't even answer it?
[08:04:27] <megal0maniac> http://www.tp-link.com/en/products/details/?model=TL-MR3020
[08:04:35] <megal0maniac> It shall be the datasheet bot!
[08:04:39] * megal0maniac gets to work
[08:05:45] <fdo> bye
[08:07:25] * AnalogSound asks megal0maniac: !attiny 25 datasheet
[08:07:36] * megal0maniac IS NOT A BOT!
[08:07:39] <megal0maniac> (yet)
[08:07:50] <specing> fdo: avrdude does that itself
[08:08:35] <AnalogSound> megal0maniac: here take a cup of coffe (__)@
[08:09:06] <fdo> @specing how? i can use verify ...
[08:09:42] <specing> it first writes and then reads&compares
[08:11:02] <fdo> you are right :o)
[08:11:03] <megal0maniac> AnalogSound:
http://www.atmel.com/PFResults.aspx#(data:(category:'34864[33180]',type:!(17)),sc:3)
[08:11:14] <megal0maniac> That's what I intend on using
[08:11:28] <specing> fdo: Sherlock
[08:11:38] <fdo> :o)
[08:12:01] <AnalogSound> hmmmm
[08:12:26] <AnalogSound> you could parse all the pdf links and put them into a table ... and then query the table
[08:13:13] <fdo> @specing there a lot of memorytypes in avrdude, ist ther a type which dumps all inclusiv eeprom, lfuse, hfuse, e.g
[08:14:21] <specing> fdo: not to my knowledge
[08:15:07] <fdo> ok i ask google again, meybe ther is an answer on page 7332
[08:15:12] <fdo> :o)
[08:15:47] <Fleck> ;p
[08:27:02] <megal0maniac> http://pastebin.com/1WFNVKvu
[08:27:04] <megal0maniac> Done.
[08:27:13] <megal0maniac> Now to figure out short names :/
[08:27:16] <megal0maniac> Any suggestions?
[08:31:30] <megal0maniac> AnalogSound:
http://www.atmel.com/Images/2586S.pdf
[08:31:43] <megal0maniac> AnalogSound:
http://www.atmel.com/Images/2586.pdf
[08:32:33] <AnalogSound> :)) thank you megal0maniac
[08:37:17] <OndraSterver> elooo
[08:37:22] <OndraSterver> daddy's home
[08:37:28] <megal0maniac> :|
[08:37:45] <OndraSterver> YOU HAVE BEEN NAUGHTY!
[08:37:53] <megal0maniac> You know me well :)
[08:38:51] <Blecha> Thats a good way to join a channel
[08:38:52] <AnalogSound> :))
[08:44:23] <OndraSterver> http://www.theverge.com/2012/9/26/3410730/mac-pc-java-exploit?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+WinRumors+%28WinRumors%29&utm_content=FaceBook
[08:44:25] <OndraSterver> ENJOY YOUR ARDUINOS!
[08:44:26] <OndraSterver> lol
[08:46:25] <Blecha> Gee a hole in Java... that never happens
[08:46:32] * Blecha shocked fack
[08:46:37] <Blecha> face even
[08:46:58] <GuShH> I solved each and every Java issue.
[08:47:12] <GuShH> ...by uninstalling and banning it from every system I won.
[08:47:24] <megal0maniac> GuShH: You win systems?
[08:47:28] <megal0maniac> How often?
[08:47:32] <GuShH> own.
[08:47:34] <megal0maniac> :D
[08:47:39] <Blecha> He battles on the net man
[08:47:41] <GuShH> megal0maniac: wait until the coffee makes it's thing.
[08:47:49] <Blecha> He fights for the user.
[08:47:58] <AnalogSound> GuShH :> long time no see man:P
[08:48:03] <GuShH> I get nakkid and hook myself up to the internetz with crocodile clips and my nipples
[08:48:20] <GuShH> You can feel every bit.
[08:48:37] <GuShH> AnalogSound: I forgot who you are, but I'll say hi how are you
[08:48:45] <megal0maniac> OndraSterver: Arduino comes bundled with java, which you don't need to install :)
[08:48:56] <megal0maniac> What I am laughing about, is the OSX users
[08:49:08] <megal0maniac> Their "rock-solid" Unix based system
[08:49:08] <AnalogSound> :)) fine GuShH - but i see that.. hackkitten is no loger around?!
[08:49:14] <GuShH> no clue
[08:49:20] <GuShH> what do you mean no longer around?
[08:49:29] * GuShH checks her site
[08:49:30] <megal0maniac> !seen hackkitten
[08:49:30] <tobbor> hackkitten was last seen in #robotics on Sep 25 02:00 2012
[08:49:32] <AnalogSound> i don't see her online
[08:49:56] <AnalogSound> izua :> compadre how are you?!
[08:49:59] <megal0maniac> What was tobbor doing in robotics?
[08:50:08] <izua> AnalogSound: oh look it's an analog sound
[08:50:42] <GuShH> isn't tobbor rue's bot?
[08:51:30] <GuShH> analog sounds... let's see, noisy, grainy...
[08:52:17] <AnalogSound> :)) just sin-ish
[08:52:26] <megal0maniac> GuShH: He is
[08:52:36] <GuShH> anyone interested in ti's programmable differential amps?
[08:52:47] <megal0maniac> GuShH: Me maybe
[08:53:00] * GuShH thinks everything will be programmable within the next 2-4 years
[08:53:05] <GuShH> don't say "it already is"
[08:53:11] <GuShH> I mean down to the component level.
[08:53:19] <megal0maniac> Resistor?
[08:53:23] <megal0maniac> NEVER!
[08:53:24] <GuShH> doable.
[08:53:28] <AnalogSound> :))
[08:53:33] <GuShH> too high cost at this time
[08:53:47] <AnalogSound> a buch of silicon gates and there you go :D programable rezistor
[08:53:47] <AnalogSound> :P
[08:54:02] <GuShH> what really turns me on is MEMS
[08:54:06] * megal0maniac wonders if FPGA could simulate a resistor
[08:54:13] <GuShH> AnalogSound: yes, but it's too expensive at this point in time.
[08:54:22] <AnalogSound> correct GuShH
[08:54:36] <AnalogSound> megal0maniac.... hmmm never thought of this
[08:54:37] <GuShH> what really takes the cake is the programmable 555
[08:54:44] <AnalogSound> =)))
[08:54:45] <GuShH> I bet the 555 creator saw that and had a heart attack.
[08:54:56] <AnalogSound> =)))))
[08:54:58] <GuShH> poor hans
[08:55:01] <Soco_cpp_> FPG ...
[08:55:10] <AnalogSound> FPGR
[08:55:19] <AnalogSound> =)) field programmable gate resistors
[08:55:33] <GuShH> you could do the same with other passives
[08:56:12] <megal0maniac> Programmable 555?
[08:56:15] <GuShH> heck we can cheapily detect high frequency radio signals with processors these days.
[08:56:19] <megal0maniac> Isn't that an attiny? :P
[08:56:23] <GuShH> it kind of is
[08:56:35] <GuShH> but it's sold as a fancy 555.
[08:56:53] <GuShH> http://www.jameco.com/Jameco/workshop/ProductNews/logicanalyzers.html I think that covers it
[08:57:15] <GuShH> CSS555
[08:58:23] <GuShH> Hey, I think it's not as bad as the Arduino at least.
[08:58:36] <GuShH> It doesn't assume you are retarded / braindead at least.
[08:58:49] <GuShH> Sorry, I mean an artist or CS student
[08:58:51] * GuShH runs
[09:00:45] * megal0maniac checks self for retardedness/braindeadness
[09:01:00] <megal0maniac> The programmer costs $32.95
[09:01:17] * megal0maniac is all clear
[09:01:43] <GuShH> -_-
[09:09:35] <specing> you can buy an $5 ARM devkit from TI
[09:09:39] <specing> :)
[09:09:44] <megal0maniac> You can
[09:09:45] <megal0maniac> I did
[09:09:56] <megal0maniac> specing: Will tell you all about it in November :P
[09:09:59] <specing> I mean whoever hasn't yet
[09:10:05] <specing> megal0maniac: cool :D
[09:10:24] <specing> So by december I should have a couple of dozen test programs? :D
[09:10:31] <megal0maniac> Pah!
[09:10:35] <megal0maniac> I wish
[09:10:38] <specing> and full GCC + OpenOCD toolchain? :D
[09:10:53] <megal0maniac> Want to give me some tutorial sessions on programming in C?
[09:11:06] <specing> gonna turn one of those into a logical analyzer
[09:11:12] <specing> 5V tolerant ;D
[09:11:21] <specing> megal0maniac: lolwhat?
[09:11:33] <specing> megal0maniac: did you buy one or two?
[09:11:41] <megal0maniac> Heh.
[09:11:53] <megal0maniac> That's the only way you're going to get test programs from me :P
[09:12:31] <megal0maniac> That's not to say I'm unwilling to share, just incapable of making anything worth sharing at the moment
[09:12:45] <specing> I thought you are a C expert!
[09:13:26] <specing> one of my test programs will probably be ASM only
[09:13:37] <specing> rest will be atleast 30% asm
[09:16:02] <megal0maniac> specing: Seriously?
[09:16:41] <megal0maniac> Just because I'm not a dumbass and I can think for myself, doesn't automagically make me a C expert :P
[09:16:46] <megal0maniac> (unfortunately)
[09:17:24] <megal0maniac> OOH!
[09:17:39] <megal0maniac> I can use that list I compiled to download all of the datasheets :D
[10:31:27] * megal0maniac has all of the datasheets
[10:31:38] <megal0maniac> Now, to teach the bot.
[10:36:09] <megal0maniac> specing: I misread earlier. I bought 1
[10:36:19] <megal0maniac> Even xmega still scares me
[11:05:06] <OndraSterver> are they kidding me, they are using 281mil OR 7.14mm
[11:05:07] <OndraSterver> what is better.
[11:08:35] <OndraSterver> hmm Molex has some low profile ones
[11:08:37] <OndraSterver> (rj45)
[11:20:05] <megal0maniac> Still looking for that magjack?
[11:25:40] <megal0maniac> OndraSterver: 11.3mm total height, that's pretty good
[11:29:34] <specing> megal0maniac: why didn't you go with two?
[11:30:05] <OndraSterver> megal0maniac, 11.3mm magjack?
[11:31:21] <megal0maniac> specing: Why would I have?
[11:31:26] <megal0maniac> OndraSterver:
http://www.alliedcomponents.com/RJ45_pdf/ARLP11-3647.pdf
[11:31:29] <specing> cause they are cheap? :D
[11:32:14] <OndraSterver> megal0maniac, and price?
[11:32:29] <OndraSterver> stop searching on manufacturer websites, it is useless if they can not be obtained in 10-counts
[11:32:32] <OndraSterver> :P
[11:32:37] <OndraSterver> for reasonable prices
[11:33:27] <OndraSterver> why does enc424j600 have AD0-D14 when it supports only 8 bit parallel? :P
[11:33:49] <OndraSterver> and why only 15 bits?! :o
[11:35:48] <megal0maniac> OndraSterver: I was searching on Google. I've done no wrong :)
[11:36:23] <megal0maniac> Can't find stockists, though
[11:38:38] <OndraSterver> .. I am dumb, there are both A0-A13 and AD0-AD15
[11:38:47] <OndraSterver> oh well
[11:38:52] <OndraSterver> SPI ftw.
[11:39:06] <OndraSterver> .. and I AM LOOKING AT WRONG CHIP
[11:42:01] <megal0maniac> Stop looking at the wrong chip
[11:42:56] <OndraSterver> enc624 and 424 are in the same datasheet
[11:43:03] <OndraSterver> 624 is one page lower than 424 :P
[11:45:14] <specing> Lol TI's sale timeout counter is totaly broken
[11:45:19] <specing> it counts upwards!!!
[11:47:39] <OndraSterver> well, duh
[11:47:50] <megal0maniac> specing: I keep getting
http://www.ti.com/ww/en/launchpad/stellaris_head.html
[11:50:55] <OndraSterver> I was wondering how they could @ netduino fit both ethernet jack AND microSD card on the board
[11:51:02] <OndraSterver> well, they didn't place there one hole
[11:51:06] <OndraSterver> simple as that
[11:56:29] <OndraSterver> the secondary ANALOG header breaks it all :(
[11:56:52] <specing> http://www.ti.com/ww/en/launchpad_site/stellaris.html
[12:02:20] <Blecha> How do you troubleshoot signals in the 10s of GHz?
[12:02:41] * AnalogSound is a complete retard
[12:02:47] <megal0maniac> specing: I think nothing links to that page anymore, hence the neglect
[12:02:53] <Blecha> Scopes don't really go that high, so do you just magic them?
[12:03:14] <megal0maniac> Blecha: down-clock?
[12:03:17] <specing> Blecha: you buy oscilloscopes in the 10s of 10000$
[12:03:27] <specing> as simple as that ;D
[12:04:12] <megal0maniac> OndraSterver: They didn't place a hole?
[12:05:09] <megal0maniac> https://dlnmh9ip6v2uc.cloudfront.net/images/products/1/0/1/8/6/Netduino-03.jpg
[12:06:41] <specing> megal0maniac: its still $5 though ;P
[12:06:48] <specing> https://estore.ti.com/Stellaris-LaunchPad.aspx
[12:06:59] <specing> AnalogSound: problem? :D
[12:07:08] <AnalogSound> :))
[12:07:28] <megal0maniac> OndraSterver: They have seperate magnetics on the netduino
[12:08:15] <AnalogSound> never nerver use a uC to command an Nchan / Pchan fet used to command a dc motor
[12:08:44] <specing> AnalogSound: I've done FETs no problem
[12:08:52] <specing> I have an 9A one here
[12:09:08] <AnalogSound> 20A
[12:09:54] <specing> ok, that screams for additional considerations
[12:26:02] <AnalogSound> yap and the motor has a different PSU .... so i need to open the FET @ max for a minimum disipation... this would be achived if gat is tied to V+....
[12:26:11] <AnalogSound> so ...
[12:26:34] <AnalogSound> i will need a driver for the big FETS
[12:30:46] <megal0maniac> AnalogSound: Darlington driver?
[12:31:39] <AnalogSound> nop - optocoupler
[12:32:18] <megal0maniac> How much current can those switch?
[12:37:48] <AnalogSound> FETs
[12:37:49] <AnalogSound> ?
[12:37:58] <AnalogSound> 120A
[12:38:06] <megal0maniac> The optocouplers
[12:38:48] <AnalogSound> no clue... but... i'm not intrested... gate virtualy don't sink current... as far as my electronics goes
[12:41:46] <OndraSterver> oo
[12:41:47] <OndraSterver> hello abcminiuser
[12:41:53] <megal0maniac> abcminiuser: Hey
[12:41:55] <abcminiuser> Heyo
[12:42:24] <OndraSterver> megal0maniac, yes, there is one hole missing. And yes, I know they use dedicated magnetics
[12:42:31] <OndraSterver> because they are using tiny header
[12:42:37] <OndraSterver> which is burried into the PCB
[12:42:56] <megal0maniac> What's getting in the way on yours?
[12:43:41] <OndraSterver> no space for it
[12:43:44] <OndraSterver> I would move the microSD a bit
[12:43:45] <OndraSterver> but I can't
[12:43:50] <OndraSterver> because I have got the hole there
[12:44:29] <OndraSterver> that was quick
[12:45:17] <abcminiuser> !thislog
[12:46:01] <OndraSterver> !zlog
[12:46:02] <OndraSterver> zlog
[12:46:04] <OndraSterver> ther
[12:46:06] <OndraSterver> there*
[12:47:47] <abcminiuser_> Stupid router
[12:47:49] <abcminiuser_> !thislog
[12:47:55] <abcminiuser_> tobbor, wake up damnit
[12:47:56] <RikusW> zlog
[12:48:11] <abcminiuser_> Takk RikusW
[12:48:28] <megal0maniac> !time
[12:48:29] <tobbor> My watch says its 10:37AM Wed Sep 26 2012
[12:48:35] <megal0maniac> He's not dead
[12:48:48] * abcminiuser_ is not good at computers oh god how did i get here
[12:49:18] <RikusW> abcminiuser: which is more popular Atmel ARM or AVR32 ?
[12:49:20] <OndraSterver> well you might be better at 8bit stuff
[12:49:26] * OndraSterver hands abcminiuser old Z80 computer
[12:49:33] <specing> A wild abcminiuser has appeared!
[12:49:45] <OndraSterver> lay off the pokemon, specing
[12:50:07] <specing> the wild abcminiuser uses inside information! Its super effective!
[12:50:34] <megal0maniac> specing: See what you've done!?
[12:50:42] <RikusW> abcminiuser_: which is more popular Atmel ARM or AVR32 ?
[12:50:57] <specing> the peer guy uses disconnect! Its super effective too!
[12:51:01] <OndraSterver> OUR NEIGHBOUR'S DRILL!
[12:51:07] <abcminiuser_> RikusW, I can't give out sales numbers
[12:51:10] <abcminiuser_> Also, I've no idea
[12:51:10] <OndraSterver> is the most popular over here
[12:51:10] <Blecha> They are used for different things, so thats kinda apples to oranges RikusW
[12:51:36] <abcminiuser_> But in semi-related news, SAM4L
[12:51:37] * specing slaps Blecha with a 16-bit MCU
[12:51:44] <OndraSterver> abcminiuser_, yep, saw
[12:51:58] <OndraSterver> I still feel like the ARMs are lacking features (peripherals) compared to eg xmega
[12:52:02] * Blecha programs the 16-bit MCU to love
[12:52:09] <OndraSterver> ..
[12:52:18] <RikusW> there he goes again :-/
[12:52:22] <megal0maniac> Peer guy wins the battle
[12:52:25] <specing> PEER GUY IS HERE, ALIVE AND WELL!
[12:52:29] <specing> \o/
[12:52:32] <abcminiuser_> ^%$&^%$&
[12:52:40] <OndraSterver> abcminiuser_, I still feel like the ARMs are lacking features (peripherals) compared to eg xmega
[12:52:42] <RikusW> replace that router....
[12:52:45] <abcminiuser_> OndraSterver, indeed, the XMEGAs have a CRAPLOAD of peripherals by comparison
[12:52:48] <OndraSterver> yep
[12:52:51] <OndraSterver> just one lacking..
[12:52:52] <OndraSterver> ETHERNET
[12:52:57] <abcminiuser_> RikusW, it's in another apartment :(
[12:53:03] <specing> WHERE IS ETHERNET?!!?
[12:53:10] <specing> WE DEMAND ETHERNET NOOOOW
[12:53:13] <OndraSterver> hehe
[12:53:17] <OndraSterver> it would be nice addition, yes
[12:53:21] <OndraSterver> probably the last thing it lacks
[12:53:23] <RikusW> abcminiuser_: get a GPRS connections for IRC use :-P
[12:53:28] <specing> TWO PORTS, SINCE YOU ARE LATE.
[12:53:38] <OndraSterver> haha
[12:54:20] <abcminiuser_> Can someone fed-ex me transcripts?
[12:54:20] <abcminiuser_> I can telgraph my responses
[12:54:29] <specing> WHERE ARE MY DUAL-PORTED ETHERNETED SUPER XMEGASSSSssss!?!!?!!
[12:54:48] <OndraSterver> specing, go use your stellaris
[12:54:49] <megal0maniac> OndraSterver: ATxmega256A3BU is my ideal xmega
[12:54:56] <OndraSterver> :)
[12:54:57] <specing> OndraSterver: 4.12.2012
[12:55:08] <OndraSterver> specing, go to sleep and wake on 04/12/2012
[12:55:19] <specing> NOUUU
[12:56:23] <abcminiuser_> megal0maniac, but but XMEGA C
[12:56:30] <specing> I need an xmega to function as an ethernet peripheral for my stellaris :)
[12:56:31] <abcminiuser_> 384KB FLASH
[12:56:44] <OndraSterver> abcminiuser_, I saw C series... but what is their main "point" compared to a1u for example?
[12:56:48] <OndraSterver> other than mass of flash
[12:56:49] <RikusW> specing: get an external ethernet chip ?
[12:57:07] <specing> I have an 28j60 but its SSOP with .65 pitch D:
[12:57:19] <OndraSterver> .65 is normal stuff
[12:57:28] <RikusW> there is DIP version too you know
[12:57:29] <OndraSterver> I have done that while having USB connector right next to it just fine
[12:57:46] <OndraSterver> abcminiuser_, xmega c... BUT... BUT... ADC!
[12:57:48] <OndraSterver> :P
[12:57:54] <OndraSterver> 300ksps .. meh :P
[12:58:03] <megal0maniac> OndraSterver: It's a drop-in replacement :D
[12:58:11] <specing> RikusW: oops ;D
[12:58:15] <megal0maniac> Maybe I'll upgrade my xboard at some stage
[12:58:18] <specing> thought I ordered SOIC
[12:58:20] <OndraSterver> megal0maniac, a3bu or C?
[12:58:24] <megal0maniac> PF5 becomes VBAT
[12:58:26] <OndraSterver> oh
[12:58:26] <megal0maniac> a3bu
[12:58:28] <OndraSterver> oh
[12:58:44] <OndraSterver> it is not even that much more expensive
[12:58:51] <megal0maniac> Hmmm...
[12:59:07] <megal0maniac> Maybe I'll sell this one and buy another one from you with the a3bu :P
[12:59:15] <OndraSterver> :D
[12:59:24] <megal0maniac> When i say "this one," I mean the one I don't have yet :/
[12:59:26] <OndraSterver> the difference is only the battery support?
[12:59:56] <RikusW> specing: I have 2x enc28j60 (RS 698-8981)
[13:00:00] <megal0maniac> Basically. But I'd use it with a 32.768khz and counter, which works in sleep mode
[13:00:12] <OndraSterver> ah
[13:00:14] <OndraSterver> yes
[13:00:24] <abcminiuser_> Oh dear god the irony
[13:00:39] <megal0maniac> RikusW: I got a nice little module which has the 28j60 and jack with magnetics
[13:01:00] <megal0maniac> But ethernet hurts my brain a little
[13:01:04] <abcminiuser_> I tweeted at the Atmel twitter account that they weren't pushing the SAM4L hard enough (all their tweets since Monday have been SAM4L related)
[13:01:14] <abcminiuser_> Just got a DM asking if I was interested in the SAM4L
[13:01:20] <RikusW> aI have lots of old broken motherboards, I'll strip a ethernet connector + magnetics there
[13:01:28] <megal0maniac> abcminiuser_: I'M INTERESTED!
[13:01:49] <abcminiuser_> Marketing must have no sense of humor :(
[13:01:53] <OndraSterver> abcminiuser_, lol
[13:02:02] <OndraSterver> hmm
[13:02:06] <OndraSterver> and PE6-7 become TOSC
[13:02:10] <RikusW> megal0maniac: I'm thinking use the USB CDC ethernet class then there is no driver complexities :)
[13:02:12] <OndraSterver> I might do xboard battery :D
[13:02:21] <RikusW> thanks to LUFA it should be really easy :)
[13:02:47] <megal0maniac> Ah, yes
[13:03:04] <RikusW> abcminiuser_: is there CDC ethernet support in LUFA ?
[13:03:29] <OndraSterver> why is arduino using in eagle nonstandard library which they do not provide? :(
[13:03:30] <specing> abcminiuser_: DM?
[13:03:45] <megal0maniac> RikusW: Would that be a CDC to SPI bridge, effectively?
[13:03:48] <megal0maniac> Direct Message
[13:03:56] <megal0maniac> specing: Also got confused once
[13:04:04] <OndraSterver> got confused
[13:04:06] <OndraSterver> ahem.
[13:04:10] <RikusW> megal0maniac: CDC is not only serial, it includes ethernet too
[13:04:17] <OndraSterver> yesterday I said "getting a beard" without knowing what it means :(
[13:04:43] <RikusW> if you read the USB docs you'll see there is many standard device classes requiring no extra drivers to be installed
[13:04:59] <megal0maniac> RikusW: I know, but how would it work if the ethernet isn't onboard the chip?
[13:05:02] <OndraSterver> but.. but... USB IS SUCH A MESS!
[13:05:02] <megal0maniac> SPI?
[13:05:07] <OndraSterver> aye
[13:05:09] <RikusW> SPI
[13:05:11] <megal0maniac> OndraSterver: SO ARE YOU!
[13:05:15] <OndraSterver> haha
[13:05:15] <megal0maniac> And tall :)
[13:05:20] <OndraSterver> I am not tall :( :D
[13:06:36] * megal0maniac adds to list
[13:06:42] <RikusW> megal0maniac: go read the ENC28J60 datasheet, its from Microchip (the opposition :-P )
[13:07:15] <megal0maniac> RikusW: I have :) Just haven't gotten around to actually *doing* anything with it
[13:07:36] <RikusW> me neither...
[13:07:49] <RikusW> either too busy during the day
[13:08:02] <RikusW> or too busy in the evening wathing some series :-P
[13:08:05] <OndraSterver> RikusW, I will be using enc424j600
[13:08:08] <megal0maniac> abcminiuser_: Is it possible to get anything from the sample center WITHOUT working for an electronics design company? (i.e. being a student)
[13:08:14] <OndraSterver> 100Mbit, some more changes on it as well
[13:08:21] <abcminiuser_> megal0maniac, lie
[13:08:21] <OndraSterver> megal0maniac, yes :)
[13:08:28] <OndraSterver> I did not even have to lie!
[13:08:32] <megal0maniac> That's what I thought
[13:08:35] <abcminiuser_> Oh, the don't lie
[13:08:37] <abcminiuser_> *then
[13:08:44] <OndraSterver> but I had it for real project
[13:08:53] <abcminiuser_> I heard we swapped our sample center to someone else, so we actually ship samples now
[13:08:57] <OndraSterver> hehe
[13:09:08] <megal0maniac> Eh.
[13:09:10] <OndraSterver> abcminiuser_, I went to see how much cost atxmega128a1u chips...
[13:09:13] <OndraSterver> on mouser
[13:09:14] <OndraSterver> or digikey
[13:09:16] <OndraSterver> well
[13:09:16] <megal0maniac> Why is the man shouting?
[13:09:19] <OndraSterver> they are not being sold yet!
[13:09:23] <RikusW> I got my sample 32u2's from arrow-altech, the local Atmel rep, but be prepared for a looooong wait.... and a LOT of back and forth emails....
[13:09:25] <megal0maniac> About the SAM4L
[13:09:36] <RikusW> seems they only pay attention to the bigger customers....
[13:09:39] <OndraSterver> I heard 15Nov for a1u
[13:09:55] <OndraSterver> RikusW, I got them from atmel
[13:09:56] <OndraSterver> via fedex or ups
[13:09:58] <OndraSterver> or something
[13:10:16] <RikusW> then I also bought my Dragon and 3a3 xplain board from them, they have free shipping :)
[13:10:33] <abcminiuser_> RikusW, it can be variable, how long ago did you request them?
[13:10:37] <RikusW> but you need patience if ordering from them.... :-/
[13:10:37] <megal0maniac> RikusW: WHO DOES???
[13:10:45] <abcminiuser_> The last month or so we've had a new sample center
[13:11:04] <RikusW> megal0maniac: google arrow altech site:za
[13:11:24] <RikusW> abcminiuser_: that was a few years ago when I started working on the U2S board
[13:11:31] <abcminiuser_> Hrm, I wonder who does the Atmel twitter feed?
[13:11:49] <abcminiuser_> Got to be a MarCom guy
[13:12:04] <abcminiuser_> Must be the US site I guess, given the timezone
[13:12:12] <RikusW> megal0maniac: I'd advise to you to rather use RS or Mantech
[13:12:35] <megal0maniac> OndraSterver: xboard coco: TQFP or VQFN?
[13:12:39] <RikusW> the dragon costs about the same at RS and Arrow Altech
[13:12:55] <megal0maniac> RikusW: They don't look end-user oriented
[13:13:10] <RikusW> megal0maniac: They are for high volume actually
[13:13:28] <RikusW> but i have managed to get my dragon from them after lots of emails
[13:13:41] <RikusW> and still more to actually get it delivered
[13:13:51] <RikusW> RS's service is much better
[13:14:24] <megal0maniac> abcminiuser: Welcome some more
[13:14:31] <abcminiuser> *sigh*
[13:14:56] <RikusW> megal0maniac: I'm considering adding AVR32 programming support to the U2S sometime, don't know when.....
[13:14:57] <specing> noone that knows that better than you
[13:15:18] <RikusW> there will have to be a level translator connected...
[13:15:42] <RikusW> megal0maniac: whats more is the AVR32 debug specs is open too :)
[13:16:03] <megal0maniac> RikusW: On that note, how's dW coming along? :P
[13:16:29] <RikusW> not touched it yet
[13:16:32] <abcminiuser> RikusW, which chip?
[13:16:49] <megal0maniac> Heh :)
[13:16:58] <RikusW> on my board ? m32u2
[13:17:34] <megal0maniac> abcminiuser:
https://sites.google.com/site/megau2s/home
[13:17:38] <RikusW> thinking now I should have gone for 32u4 instead
[13:18:11] <RikusW> megal0maniac: so you're still enjoying the U2S ?
[13:18:13] <abcminiuser> I mean which AVR32
[13:19:00] <RikusW> abcminiuser: you mean the debug specs or the programming support I want to add ?
[13:19:13] <abcminiuser> Also Damnit man, why didn't you tell me you have a U2 board I can add LUFA support for?
[13:19:20] <abcminiuser> Which one you want to add
[13:19:29] <abcminiuser> AVR32s can be....interesting
[13:20:04] <RikusW> abcminiuser: I thought you knew about U2S already....
[13:20:10] <abcminiuser> Nope
[13:20:20] <megal0maniac> abcminiuser: But what about atxmega? :)
[13:20:23] <RikusW> I've seen the OCD stuff documented in AVR32 datasheets
[13:20:40] <abcminiuser> RikusW, yes, they're well documented
[13:21:06] <RikusW> abcminiuser: I already loaded your isp mkii onto 2 of my boards to toy around a little, I used it for TPI on t10
[13:21:19] <megal0maniac> I've used it for ISP
[13:21:20] <abcminiuser> RikusW, how did it go?
[13:21:35] <RikusW> I just added 2 resistors and a connector, no level translation
[13:21:40] <RikusW> it worked perfectly :)
[13:21:42] <abcminiuser> The latest version can switch between AVR Studio and AVRDude compatibility with the /RESET line
[13:22:02] <RikusW> and that was while using my RavrProg sw too
[13:22:42] <RikusW> iirc AS wants the ep 82/02 ?
[13:22:46] <megal0maniac> fwiw, I used it with AS6 in ISP mode on a m328p. Works great.
[13:23:44] <megal0maniac> RikusW: To answer earlier question, yes :)
[13:23:53] <RikusW> abcminiuser: still haven't resolved the avrdude buggyness ? :S
[13:24:20] <RikusW> megal0maniac: which q ?
[13:24:32] <megal0maniac> I installed the latest Atmel toolchain, and avrdude doesn't to be one of the things they're maintaining
[13:24:43] <megal0maniac> RikusW: Whether I'm still enjoying the U2S
[13:24:51] <RikusW> good :)
[13:25:06] <megal0maniac> avrdude.conf STILL doesn't have support for m328 (non-p) or m32u2
[13:25:37] <RikusW> which version is that ?
[13:25:45] <RikusW> iirc 5.10 does have m32u2 support
[13:26:19] <abcminiuser> RikusW, I know why it happens, but the devs don't want to patch it and it's not fixable from my end
[13:26:21] <abcminiuser> megal0maniac, you can get builds elsewhere
[13:26:22] <abcminiuser> The official tool from Atmel is ATPROGRAM
[13:26:30] <RikusW> megal0maniac: 5.10 does have m328p support
[13:26:38] <abcminiuser> http://nongnu.uib.no/avrdude/
[13:26:51] <abcminiuser> Or better,
http://download.savannah.gnu.org/releases/avrdude
[13:27:05] <RikusW> abcminiuser: I used that patch on avrdude an it worked just fine....
[13:27:20] <abcminiuser> Yup but I don't think the devs want to apply it
[13:27:21] <RikusW> while using ep 02/80
[13:27:24] <RikusW> *02/82
[13:27:39] <megal0maniac> RikusW: But not the non-p version.
[13:28:02] <RikusW> megal0maniac: seems only m328p yes...
[13:28:11] <OndraSterver> megal0maniac, just by logic - QFN, TQFP is bigger than the board itself :P
[13:28:15] <megal0maniac> It was the toolchain 3.4.0, updated April 2012
[13:28:26] <RikusW> abcminiuser: Thats why I don't bother submitting patches, it gets ignored, so I written my own software instead :-P
[13:29:04] <OndraSterver> abcminiuser, how does atmel compile their gcc WITHOUT cygwin? :o
[13:29:20] <megal0maniac> mingw?
[13:30:14] <abcminiuser> OndraSterver, MinGW?
[13:30:14] <RikusW> megal0maniac: add m328 support to the avrdude.conf file yourself... its probably only the signature that differs
[13:30:17] <OndraSterver> :D
[13:30:19] <OndraSterver> could be
[13:30:25] <OndraSterver> thanks
[13:31:45] <megal0maniac> RikusW: I have. But I don't understand why it isn't just there already. Unless it hasn't been updated
[13:31:47] <RikusW> 1E9514 (P) vs 1E950F
[13:31:57] <megal0maniac> Correct
[13:32:17] <megal0maniac> It's a minor thing :)
[13:32:28] <RikusW> megal0maniac: if you do have the RavrProg source have a look at the parts files
[13:32:53] <RikusW> open it with any text editor
[13:36:43] <RikusW> A programmer is to the blue screen of death what Mikhail Kalashnikov is to a loaded AK-47: just as helpless a victim as any other mortal, except for having a profound understanding of the mechanisms of his execution.
[13:39:02] <RikusW> ---> /ping ---> (20:31:40) PING reply -- Lag: 1 seconds......
[13:39:21] <RikusW> 1ms would be more like it :)
[13:40:46] <megal0maniac> 4.077s from me to you
[13:42:01] <OndraSterver> crazy
[13:42:27] <megal0maniac> And we're in the same country :P
[13:42:29] <OndraSterver> *because IRC ping is so much reliable*
[13:42:47] <megal0maniac> 0.516 to OndraSterver
[13:42:55] <megal0maniac> Isn't it IRSSI ping? :)
[13:44:15] <OndraSterver> hmm I should record everything I take apart
[13:44:20] <OndraSterver> it is much easier to remember what you put where then
[13:44:23] <OndraSterver> just watch the video backwards :P
[13:44:29] <OndraSterver> instead trying to remember it all
[13:47:44] <megal0maniac> Haha. RiksW's ping has gotten somewhat worse
[13:48:12] <OndraSterver> haha
[13:49:19] <megal0maniac> OndraSterver: Were you around when I was talking about the datasheet bot?
[13:49:29] <OndraSterver> I was, but I was not paying attention
[13:49:33] <OndraSterver> I was paying attention to borderlands 2
[13:49:38] <megal0maniac> Ooh...
[13:49:39] <OndraSterver> which I have in Russian so I don't understand a word
[13:49:41] <megal0maniac> You are excused
[13:49:46] <OndraSterver> lol
[13:50:28] <OndraSterver> hah
[13:50:30] <OndraSterver> FINALLY in english
[13:52:19] <megal0maniac> I want to make a bot which responds to the name of a uC with the link for the datasheet
[13:52:26] <megal0maniac> But I want to see how tobbor works first
[13:55:39] <RikusW> megal0maniac: 2s for me
[13:56:02] <megal0maniac> 252 for you last time I checked :P
[13:56:34] <RikusW> 252s ?
[13:56:39] <RikusW> or 2.52
[13:57:14] <megal0maniac> 252s :)
[13:57:21] <megal0maniac> (Ping timeout)
[13:57:31] <specing> tobbor is CANUCKED
[13:57:31] <tobbor> Yankie.
[13:58:29] <RikusW> megal0maniac:
http://www.google.com/search?q=rfc1149
[13:58:42] <megal0maniac> RikusW: Just checked. avrdude 5.11 has support for 32u2. But still not m328. Odd. And svn is dated october 2011, so it's clearly dormant
[13:59:26] <megal0maniac> Is this about carrier pigeons?
[13:59:44] <RikusW> for TCP/IP yes :-D
[14:00:13] <RikusW> at some point it was actually faster than telkom adls :-D
[14:00:16] <RikusW> *adsl
[14:01:17] <RikusW> megal0maniac: that is if you put a 32gb sd card on the pigeon
[14:01:37] <RikusW> though its more like UDP than TCP.....
[14:03:59] <megal0maniac> Wow... I was joking, but now I see I was right :P
[14:05:00] <RikusW> so you guessed it was about pigeons ?
[14:05:27] <specing> pigeons are more realiable than TCP! :D
[14:05:28] <megal0maniac> Well I took that from avian carriers. But yes
[14:06:06] <RikusW> specing: how can it be more reliable than TCP ?
[14:06:09] <megal0maniac> Nice.
[14:06:16] <RikusW> I'd say its more like UDP
[14:06:32] <Landon> of course it is, you need to implement TCP on top
[14:06:52] <RikusW> If the neighbors cat catches one, you'll have some missing packets....
[14:07:01] <Landon> request resend :)
[14:07:13] <RikusW> feed the cat...
[14:07:32] <megal0maniac> EFI
[14:07:40] <megal0maniac> Excited Feline Interference
[14:07:51] <RikusW> lol
[14:08:24] <megal0maniac> I'm out. Work time is over :) Goodnight all
[14:09:57] <bakers> Can someone explain what JTAG is/does?
[14:10:04] <bakers> AVR chips have it, and the Raspberry Pi has it it
[14:10:25] <RikusW> bakers: the AVR JTAG differs a lot from the RPi JTAG....
[14:10:37] <RikusW> JTAG is only the physical level
[14:10:40] <prpplague> bakers:
http://elinux.org/JTAG
[14:10:44] <RikusW> and some protocol stuff
[14:10:55] <prpplague> bakers: JTAG is much like saying SPI
[14:11:15] <prpplague> bakers: in respect that both describe a communication method
[14:11:18] <RikusW> bakers: not even AVR mega xmega or AVR32 or ARM jtag is quite the same
[14:11:43] <prpplague> bakers: there are many types of protocols and uses for JTAG, just as you can use SPI for a wide range of devices and communications functions
[14:11:57] <RikusW> bakers: the TAP state machine and electrical signaling is the same everywhere
[14:12:52] <RikusW> bakers: what do you want to do with JTAG ?
[14:13:20] <RikusW> bakers: AVR chips can be programmed and debugged using JTAG
[14:15:53] <megal0maniac> RikusW: rfc1776
[14:15:55] <megal0maniac> :)
[14:17:46] * RikusW have been updating some fw today, though its somewhat difficult to add fear--; relaxation++; to the main loop in the horse fw :-P
[14:18:21] <bakers> You have horse firmware?
[14:18:32] <RikusW> real horses ;)
[14:19:48] <RikusW> if only it was as easy as flashing an AVR....
[14:21:58] <RikusW> there is way too much buck++; and run_away++; problems in some horses
[14:26:21] <RikusW> abcminiuser: seems the more you type the quicker you're disconnected....
[14:26:33] <abcminiuser> RikusW, heh
[14:26:46] <abcminiuser> I'm watching Stargate, not much to say...
[14:27:01] <RikusW> SG1 or SGA ?
[14:27:17] * RikusW is almost finished with SG1
[14:27:36] <RikusW> about 11 episodes left
[14:28:14] <abcminiuser> SG1 at the moment
[14:28:26] <abcminiuser> Seen all SG1 SGA and SGU before, going through them again
[14:28:51] <RikusW> again ? hmm seems its very popular :)
[14:29:22] <RikusW> how about fringe ?
[14:29:29] <RikusW> or Dexter...
[14:30:53] <RikusW> abcminiuser: and the 3 SG1 movies ?
[14:31:01] <abcminiuser> Damn right
[14:31:41] <RikusW> its a great waste of time when we don't feel like developing and debugging :)
[14:32:09] <Steffanx> A waste of time it is :P
[14:35:38] <Jan-> is there a popular way of providing the option to isolate the ISP pins when the device is soldered to a PCB, so it can be programmed?
[14:36:20] <RikusW> if designed right you don't need to isolate them
[14:36:21] <Jan-> Links or something maybe
[14:36:27] <Jan-> oh and hey rikus :)
[14:36:40] <RikusW> hi Jan-
[14:37:09] <RikusW> if the devices connected to the ISP wires are input only it won't be a problem
[14:37:23] <Jan-> it's a bit tricky because it's an attiny13a and I'm using the analog comparator.
[14:37:39] <Jan-> so I don't have a lot of pins to play with, and two of the ones I'm using absolutely have to be where they are.
[14:38:17] <Jan-> And one of them is connected to a divider to set the comparator trip point, which will definitely screw up programming.
[14:38:22] <RikusW> use a bigger AVR to develop ?
[14:38:32] <Jan-> Well, sure, but what about the final device
[14:38:45] <RikusW> what value resistors is on that divider ?
[14:39:02] <Jan-> it's a pot
[14:39:23] <Jan-> there's not really a solution to it
[14:39:29] <RikusW> if its bigger than 1k it shouldn't be a problem
[14:39:54] <Jan-> dep[ends where it's set really, eh
[14:40:03] <RikusW> 1k to either side of the pot
[14:40:10] <Jan-> hm possibly
[14:40:23] <Jan-> the other pins are connected to a switch (OK, just don't press it) and the output of an opamp
[14:40:25] <RikusW> or add 1k between pot and AVR
[14:40:29] <Jan-> I guess the opamp output is hi-z
[14:40:41] <RikusW> its not...
[14:40:45] <Jan-> oh. bugger.
[14:40:51] <Jan-> links then.
[14:41:03] <RikusW> resistors might work
[14:41:41] <RikusW> or dual pole switches
[14:41:51] <RikusW> or links...
[14:42:23] <RikusW> Jan- the main problem here is drive contention...
[14:42:39] <RikusW> that is two outputs on the same wire....
[14:43:06] <RikusW> especially if they don't agree on high and low :-P
[14:56:34] <Tom_itx> abcminiuser!
[14:57:04] <Tom_itx> with all the technology you are surrounded with, you would think you could find a good interweb connection
[14:58:44] <OSterver> :D
[14:59:07] <Tom_itx> OSterver what's this new board you're working on?
[14:59:48] <abcminiuser> Tom_itx, I should probably buy my own connection :(
[15:01:55] <RikusW> abcminiuser: isn't GPRS rather cheap over there ?
[15:02:02] <RikusW> use it only for IRC
[15:02:27] <RikusW> don't tell me its cheaper over here in SA....
[15:02:57] <abcminiuser> Phone plans are better here
[15:03:05] <abcminiuser> But my connection is fine, it's just a stupendously crappy router attached to it in the upstairs apartment...
[15:03:55] <RikusW> don't freenode have a http interface too ?
[15:03:56] <OSterver> Tom_itx, which one do you mean :P
[15:04:00] <Tom_itx> abcminiuser, so what's new?
[15:04:01] <OSterver> RikusW, doesn't*
[15:04:09] <OSterver> (training for grammar nazi to come to Prague probably in a month)
[15:04:12] <Tom_itx> OSterver i dunno
[15:04:25] <OSterver> Tom_itx, I have got my xboard coco which is ready - it is breadboardable xmega256a3u
[15:04:30] <OSterver> then I am making breadboardable xmega32a4u
[15:04:38] <Tom_itx> the one looking for a kangaroo
[15:04:44] <OSterver> oh
[15:04:46] <OSterver> yes
[15:04:47] <RikusW> OSterver: Afrikaans makes no distinction between singular and plural.... :-P
[15:04:57] <OSterver> and arduino compatible xmega128a1u and the rest as well
[15:05:03] <OSterver> no xmega128a1u into breadboard, too big chip!
[15:05:06] <OSterver> RikusW, haha
[15:05:21] <RikusW> OSterver: so i don't mind being reminded...
[15:05:23] <OSterver> so sentence (in afrikaans) "I had sex with many women" sounds quite regular?
[15:05:34] <OSterver> with just one?
[15:05:38] <OSterver> no 3way? :P
[15:05:56] <RikusW> OSterver: thats a bit exaggerated ! :-d
[15:06:08] <RikusW> has/have is/are etc...
[15:06:16] <Steffanx> Afrikaans is improved dutch :P
[15:06:19] <abcminiuser> Tom_itx, SAM4L I guess
[15:06:25] <abcminiuser> That was released Monday
[15:06:29] <RikusW> if you say so
[15:06:52] <Tom_itx> abcminiuser supported by studio6?
[15:07:10] <abcminiuser> Tom_itx, with the just released Service Pack 1 for AS6 and ASF 3.4.1, yes
[15:07:23] <Tom_itx> so it will do arm as well?
[15:07:23] <OSterver> hehe, Tom_itx scouting for usable ARM... #1 issue is AS6 support :P
[15:07:31] <OSterver> as6 supports Cortexes
[15:07:32] <OSterver> from Atmel
[15:07:34] <RikusW> OSterver: well there were someone here living with two wifes, hence his nick of Double barrel (shotgun)
[15:07:41] <OSterver> heh
[15:07:44] <RikusW> *wives
[15:07:52] <OSterver> someones*
[15:07:53] <Tom_itx> well there's a new reprap board out using a cortex4
[15:07:57] <megal0maniac> wtf?
[15:07:59] <OSterver> hmm reprap
[15:08:00] <Tom_itx> just looking for support
[15:08:15] <OSterver> AS6 supports (officially?) only Atmel cortex stuff
[15:08:16] <megal0maniac> Why did irssi highlight RikusW's message to OSterver?
[15:08:24] <megal0maniac> My name wasn't there!
[15:08:26] <OSterver> which one?
[15:08:28] * megal0maniac is confused
[15:08:36] <OSterver> AGAIN?!
[15:08:37] <megal0maniac> RikusW> OSterver: well there were someone here living with two wifes, hence his nick of Double barrel (shotgun)
[15:08:44] <OSterver> hmm
[15:08:46] <megal0maniac> OSterver: No, still :)
[15:09:03] <OSterver> just watch some porn with two dudes, your taste will go back REALLY quickly ;D
[15:09:37] <RikusW> maybe because I included (shotgun) ?
[15:09:46] <Tom_itx> http://reprapsource.com/en/show/6743
[15:09:58] <OSterver> mm
[15:10:01] <OSterver> atmel
[15:10:04] <OSterver> yes, it does support AS6
[15:10:15] <OSterver> but atmel's supported debuggers are not cheap I think
[15:10:23] <Tom_itx> what about generic avrgcc?
[15:10:33] <OSterver> armgcc*
[15:10:33] <megal0maniac> http://i.imgur.com/pQA8H.png
[15:10:38] <RikusW> OSterver: the dragon is cheap enough
[15:10:47] <OSterver> RikusW, pls tell me how dragon does cortex :)
[15:10:58] <RikusW> sam ice is like $100 iirc
[15:11:20] <OSterver> hmm
[15:11:21] <Tom_itx> megal0maniac wtf
[15:11:23] <RikusW> OSterver: ask abcminiuser to add ARM support
[15:11:24] <OSterver> I remember it being $150?
[15:11:28] <OSterver> RikusW, I already did :(
[15:11:35] <megal0maniac> Tom_itx: I don't know
[15:11:38] <RikusW> maybe $150 then
[15:11:41] * megal0maniac checks .irssi
[15:11:42] <OSterver> it is $100
[15:11:44] <OSterver> on atmel's website
[15:11:48] <RikusW> have a look in the atmel online store
[15:11:57] <OSterver> ^_^
[15:13:20] * megal0maniac is beginning to think that maybe abcminiuser_ should consider gprs...
[15:13:37] <Steffanx> heh
[15:13:42] <Tom_itx> abcminiuser_ if you wanna keep up logs are there
[15:13:54] <megal0maniac> abcminiuser_: I have a 3G modem, which I'll happily donate if you want? :P
[15:13:56] * OSterver is beginning to think that maybe abcminiuser_ should consider girls
[15:14:04] <OSterver> damn, I forgot three dots!
[15:14:13] <OSterver> :D
[15:14:24] <megal0maniac> OSterver: Look at what you've done
[15:14:34] <OSterver> sent him to girls
[15:14:37] <OSterver> sounds good for me
[15:14:37] <Tom_itx> he gets about 2 hrs a month for good behavior
[15:14:41] <OSterver> :D
[15:14:44] <OSterver> sounds about right
[15:15:34] <megal0maniac> irssi on my router is the best thing I've ever done wrt IRC. No more megal0maniac___ :)
[15:15:58] <megal0maniac> CapnKernel: ty
[15:16:17] <Tom_itx> CapnKernel is here?
[15:16:19] * megal0maniac give abcminiuser Huawei E220
[15:16:27] <megal0maniac> *gives!!
[15:16:31] <megal0maniac> Sorry!
[15:16:34] <OSterver> :D
[15:17:14] <RikusW> megal0maniac: seems you are too africanized, forgetting the singular/plural distinction too ? :-P
[15:17:32] <abcminiuser_> The router in my apartment works in about a half meter radius in the bedroom only
[15:17:41] <abcminiuser_> While my desk is in the other room
[15:17:47] <megal0maniac> RikusW: Either that or I'm getting lazy :)
[15:17:50] <OSterver> <abcminiuser_> The router in my apartment works in about a half meter radius in the bedroom only
[15:17:53] <OSterver> longer ethernet cable? :P
[15:18:31] <megal0maniac> abcminiuser_:
http://www.tp-link.com/en/products/details/?model=tl-wr702/
[15:19:06] <megal0maniac> Seriously though, I'd be going mad by now.
[15:19:49] <megal0maniac> You can stick the WR702 on the ceiling
[15:20:21] <megal0maniac> hilights = ( { text = "nick"; nick = "yes"; word = "yes"; } );
[15:20:23] <Tom_itx> abcminiuser get a unifi
[15:20:42] <megal0maniac> :)
[15:21:04] <megal0maniac> That config line makes no sense to me
[15:21:50] <megal0maniac> Someone type a message with the word "nick" in it...
[15:22:03] <RikusW> nick
[15:22:07] <RikusW> yes
[15:22:27] <megal0maniac> It highlights. But for what? :/ Oh well
[15:22:35] <RikusW> word
[15:22:38] <RikusW> that too ?
[15:22:41] <megal0maniac> That didn't do it
[15:23:58] <OndraSter> .. You know you are on a good IT university when dude sitting in front of you is using "Ultimate PC Cleaner & Booster 2012" :(
[15:24:10] <megal0maniac> :D
[15:24:16] <RikusW> Not all line followers are equal ---->
[15:24:17] <RikusW> http://www.popularmechanics.co.za/tech/researchers-develop-technique-remotely-control-cockroaches/?utm_source=PMWLSeptember26&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Weekly%2Bwebletter
[15:24:33] <megal0maniac> http://www.popularmechanics.co.za/tech/researchers-develop-technique-remotely-control-cockroaches/?utm_source=PMWLSeptember26&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Weekl
[15:24:54] <megal0maniac> Sorry. Putty.
[15:25:25] <OndraSter> POOR COCKROACH!
[15:25:26] <OndraSter> :(
[15:25:35] <RikusW> lol
[15:27:46] <megal0maniac> That's funny :)
[15:27:58] <megal0maniac> RikusW: How are you seeing this?
[15:28:32] <RikusW> I'm not...
[15:29:56] * RikusW wonders what will happen if all both antenna and the back wires is activated ? skid marks :-D ?
[15:30:22] <RikusW> brake + accelerator...
[15:31:22] <RikusW> will what the video if I'm on a fast connection again...
[15:31:45] <specing> RikusW: Im sure they can send it by avian carriers
[15:31:50] <specing> It'll be faster!
[15:32:22] <RikusW> hmm cheaper
[15:32:32] <specing> and that
[15:32:58] <megal0maniac> RikusW: No Nano yet?
[15:36:09] <RikusW> no
[15:36:18] <OndraSter> you have to love our school
[15:36:27] <RikusW> haven't been to town recently
[15:36:27] <OndraSter> we are supposed to be doing some bash stuff and in another class C
[15:36:37] <megal0maniac> I suppose I only really expect it to be there by Monday anyway :)
[15:36:39] <OndraSter> but we have got these crappy Sun Ray thin clients
[15:36:45] <RikusW> will let you know when it arrives
[15:36:48] <megal0maniac> Ooh, thin clients
[15:36:50] <OndraSter> BUT
[15:36:52] <OndraSter> it runs CDE!
[15:37:01] <OndraSter> the GUI that stole everything from win3.11
[15:37:07] <OndraSter> and it gets worse
[15:37:14] <OndraSter> the czterm we use:
[15:37:18] <OndraSter> a) has no dircolors
[15:37:22] <OndraSter> b) has no nano, only pico and vim
[15:37:32] <OndraSter> c) no color syntax highliting in pico/vim
[15:37:32] <megal0maniac> VIM is fine
[15:37:36] <OndraSter> NO IT IS NOT
[15:37:37] <RikusW> whats wrong with vim ?
[15:37:41] <megal0maniac> Which means it's VI :P
[15:37:41] <OndraSter> :wq
[15:37:46] <OndraSter> yes, it is vi
[15:37:47] <megal0maniac> :quit!
[15:37:49] <RikusW> vi is a bit of a problem...
[15:37:57] <OndraSter> I thought that vi = vim
[15:37:58] <OndraSter> oh well
[15:38:05] <OndraSter> because I remember jokes only about VIM
[15:38:07] <OndraSter> not about VI
[15:38:08] <RikusW> no
[15:38:13] <RikusW> vim is better than vi
[15:38:20] <RikusW> I'm spoiled already
[15:38:33] <RikusW> don't know how well I'll cope with plain vi....
[15:39:06] <OndraSter> OR
[15:39:08] <OndraSter> we could use netbeans.
[15:39:10] <RikusW> OndraSter: use emacs instead :-P
[15:39:13] <OndraSter> lol
[15:39:16] <OndraSter> where would that come from!
[15:39:20] <OndraSter> afk 10 mins
[15:40:00] <megal0maniac> OndraSter: Do you get mosquitos there?
[15:40:45] <OndraSter> no
[15:41:16] <megal0maniac> Did you have to google mosquito first? :)
[15:42:23] <RikusW> pesky buggers
[15:42:39] <RikusW> there is way too many of those on a farm
[15:42:42] <RikusW> *are
[15:43:25] <megal0maniac> One flew past my face and I've spent the last 10mins trying to find and kill it, with no success
[15:43:37] <megal0maniac> OR
[15:43:44] <megal0maniac> I could make it follow a line :)
[15:44:46] <RikusW> light a candle and turn the light off
[15:45:15] <RikusW> zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzooooooi...........
[15:46:33] <specing> Just get poisonous
[15:46:41] <specing> they drink, they die
[15:46:44] <specing> works :)
[15:47:01] <megal0maniac_afk> And you get itchy. Not good enough
[15:47:26] <megal0maniac_afk> Caught one last night with one hand. It had blood in it
[15:47:37] <megal0maniac_afk> Mine, though
[15:48:06] <megal0maniac_afk> Poison in a can :)
[15:48:15] * megal0maniac_afk used it
[15:59:13] <megal0maniac> Meh. Not enough space for eggdrop
[16:04:33] <Amadiro> megal0maniac_afk, on what?
[16:06:25] <RikusW> a router
[16:07:10] <specing> my humble AT91SAM has more space that your humble router!
[16:07:12] <specing> Ha!
[16:10:07] <RikusW> *than
[16:11:00] <specing> yepyepyep
[16:12:55] <OndraSter> ZOMG! I am running virtual w7 in vmware in Unity mode in which I am running MSYS!
[16:13:01] <OndraSter> VIRTUALCEPTION!
[16:13:21] <OndraSter> it is just as I was running virtual w8 in vmware on w7 host which was running hyperv in which was running WP8 emulator :D
[16:13:29] <OndraSter> now about that avr-gcc compiling
[16:15:15] <RikusW> OndraSter: ever saw what happens if you put your head between two parallel mirrors /
[16:15:16] <RikusW> ?
[16:15:46] <RikusW> clone wars :-D
[16:16:44] <Amadiro> OndraSter, once you're done with the xmegas, are you going to make some avr32 boards? I'd be interested in having a peek at avr32, so I'd probably get some (not excluding the possibility that I'll be getting some xmegas as well, but they're not so interesting to me from an academical POV, and I don't have any projects I'd need them for right now)
[16:16:51] <megal0maniac> Amadiro: Yes, a router. With 4mb of flash. The same one which is currently running my IRC client :)
[16:18:29] <RikusW> Amadiro: there is AVR32 xplain boards from Atmel for $29
[16:19:33] <megal0maniac> *are :)
[16:19:42] <RikusW> yep
[16:19:55] <Amadiro> RikusW, guess I'll take a look
[16:19:59] <RikusW> was too lazy to correct it
[16:20:10] <RikusW> I have the 3a3 xplain board
[16:20:20] <RikusW> want to use its hi-speed USB
[16:20:26] <Amadiro> I was expecting those to be very expensive
[16:20:41] <RikusW> Actually not
[16:20:48] <Amadiro> yeah, bit of a surprise
[16:20:52] <RikusW> its like < $10 per chip
[16:21:21] * RikusW wonders why 8bit AVR is still used....
[16:21:28] <RikusW> probably simplicity
[16:21:39] <Amadiro> well, for atmel probably more like 10 cents, but eval boards from the actual vendors always tend to be horribly overpriced
[16:21:48] <Amadiro> RikusW, in general?
[16:22:17] <RikusW> I've seen 3a3 for $10 or so online
[16:22:26] <RikusW> AT32UC3A3256
[16:22:40] <Amadiro> RikusW, well you can get like 20 attinys for that price
[16:22:51] <RikusW> and 8 bit AVR is much simpler than AVR32
[16:23:16] <Amadiro> RikusW, yes, easier and cheaper to wire on a PCB, probably, as you can get away with bigger traces. Might also consume less power.
[16:23:17] <RikusW> well over here tiny's are way overpriced :S
[16:23:33] <RikusW> like $2 or $3....
[16:24:36] <RikusW> the architecture is simpler too
[16:24:59] <megal0maniac> RikusW: Best I've seen is 4 x t85 for R72
[16:25:01] <Amadiro> well, and you can get away with less solder joints and copper in general, and you can get them in smaller formfactors, maybe? not sure about that one, I haven't looked at the AT32 formfactors
[16:26:42] <OndraSter> avr32 is "too complicated" for most of the projects
[16:26:48] <OndraSter> not sure if I will dip into avr32 - but I might
[16:26:57] <OndraSter> but I will have to deeply think about it - because the cortex stuff is pushing it :(
[16:27:23] <Amadiro> yeh
[16:27:30] <Amadiro> but it'd still be fun to have a look at
[16:27:31] <RikusW> megal0maniac: thats why I rather got for ATmega
[16:27:58] <OndraSter> and now is atmel doing cortex m4f too
[16:28:19] <megal0maniac> OndraSter: But! Do they have $5 dev boards?
[16:28:33] <OndraSter> haha
[16:28:57] <megal0maniac> I wish they did.
[16:29:17] <megal0maniac> They'll never do it for the 8bit stuff. It's old, it's popular and they don't need to push it
[16:30:46] <megal0maniac> What's used as "check disk" for EXT4 on *nix? :)
[16:30:54] <megal0maniac> fsck?
[16:32:32] <izua> dd if=/dev/zero
[16:33:00] <OndraSter> haha
[16:33:09] <OndraSter> of=/dev/sdxy
[16:33:13] <megal0maniac> Yeah, that doesn't dound right :)
[16:33:20] <OndraSter> fsck of course
[16:33:25] <megal0maniac> Mkay
[16:33:29] <megal0maniac> Need to install that
[16:33:35] <OndraSter> why is gcc source code so big?
[16:33:48] <megal0maniac> Because reasons
[16:35:09] <Amadiro> OndraSter, it's a full-blown, optimizing compiler for several different languages... what'd you expect?
[16:35:20] <megal0maniac> That too
[16:35:35] <Amadiro> It's really tiny compared with the shit other company gives you, like xilinx' toolchain which is like 12 gigabyte :D
[16:37:07] <OndraSter> haha
[16:37:12] <OndraSter> well, it used to be separated
[16:37:18] <OndraSter> all gcc core, c++, fortran
[16:37:21] <OndraSter> now it is all one bigass package
[16:37:22] <OndraSter> WHY!
[16:37:39] <Amadiro> OndraSter, I don't know how they organize it nowadays, but I reckon that avr-gcc at least doesn't contain any other backends than the avr one
[16:37:41] <OndraSter> 650MB and still unpacking
[16:37:54] <OndraSter> huh?
[16:38:09] <OndraSter> I am getting it from gnu.org
[16:38:17] <Amadiro> OndraSter, link?
[16:38:17] <OndraSter> FINALLY
[16:38:23] <OndraSter> http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/gcc/
[16:38:52] <Amadiro> OndraSter, okay.. I guess those contain all the backends and all the languages?
[16:39:27] <OndraSter> yes
[16:39:33] <Amadiro> well, that explains it
[16:39:38] <OndraSter> damn, gcc requires gmp 4.2, mpfr 2.3.1 and mpc 0.8.0
[16:39:43] <Amadiro> I think gcc supports a few hundred backends
[16:40:13] <OndraSter> mingw-get
[16:40:14] <OndraSter> nice
[16:41:56] <Amadiro> OndraSter, btw, supersecretsauce-protip: on slow connections, download the .bz2, on slow CPUs the .gz... my laptop has a pentium M, so if I get the bz2, unpacking usually takes three times as long as downloading or so, so the few extra megabytes from the gz pay off to download
[16:42:12] <OndraSter> I have got 20Mbit connection and 4.5GHz quadcore
[16:42:14] <OndraSter> ..
[16:42:17] <OndraSter> so the internet is the slow one
[16:42:27] <OndraSter> was*
[16:42:33] <Amadiro> might be, I guess you'd have to benchmark
[16:42:44] <Amadiro> no clue if bz2 takes advantage of multicore at all
[16:42:52] <OndraSter> well it is running in 1core VM :P
[16:42:56] <OndraSter> but still whole 4.5GHz
[16:43:23] <Amadiro> in a VM, so divide by 100 :P
[16:43:30] <OndraSter> why?
[16:43:37] <OndraSter> this is native virtualization
[16:43:39] <OndraSter> hardware virtualization
[16:43:43] <OndraSter> we are not in 1990s
[16:43:49] <Amadiro> OndraSter, because VMs are slow... well, yeah, if they're native, they're not as horrible
[16:44:27] <OndraSter> anything with PAE and NX bit can run VM with almost zero speed hit
[16:44:35] <OndraSter> those with VT-x run it with zero speed hit :)
[16:44:41] <OndraSter> or AMD's version of SLAT
[16:44:51] * megal0maniac checks CPU's specs
[16:45:02] <OndraSter> only some pentium Ms had NX + PAE :P
[16:45:02] <Amadiro> OndraSter, no clue if I own a CPU that has that, I haven't run any VMs in quite a while now
[16:45:04] <OndraSter> already checked
[16:45:14] <Amadiro> but when I did, it was usually to emulate something like ARM
[16:45:18] <OndraSter> well, all newer Pentium Ms except 740
[16:45:24] <OndraSter> who would emulate ARM
[16:45:28] <OndraSter> only Android runs emulator
[16:45:54] <OndraSter> me, WP user, have emulator actually x86 virtual machine, so it runs even faster than regular phone (3D stuff that is)
[16:45:59] <OndraSter> since it is hardware accelerated graphics as well :P
[16:46:06] <OndraSter> us, WP users*
[16:46:11] <megal0maniac> OndraSter: You've checked my CPUs specs?
[16:46:14] <OndraSter> no
[16:46:14] <megal0maniac> Creepy bugger...
[16:46:18] <megal0maniac> :)
[16:46:21] <OndraSter> but I have Pentium M in my tablet pc
[16:46:27] <OndraSter> and I have THE ONLY PENTIUM M WITHOUT PAE
[16:46:31] <OndraSter> well, without NX bit
[16:46:37] <OndraSter> PAE was not on any of those I think
[16:46:40] <Amadiro> OndraSter, well, I can't very well be bothered to put my .nds files on a R4 card and then boot it up in my nintendo DS to test some minor changes to my game...
[16:46:54] <OndraSter> ugh
[16:47:06] <OndraSter> proper emulator ftw
[16:47:23] <OndraSter> new WP8 emu is actually Hyper-V machine :P
[16:47:38] <OndraSter> it ups the requirements for hardware but... we are in the 2012!
[16:47:51] <Amadiro> well, back then I could almost run the 66MHz ARM in realtime on my 3GHz athlon workstation
[16:48:27] <OndraSter> heh
[16:48:46] * megal0maniac has VT-x
[16:49:00] <specing> mmm stellaris
[16:49:12] <megal0maniac> lol
[16:49:27] <OndraSter> lol
[16:52:45] <specing> EEPROM wear-leveling... hmmm
[16:53:12] <specing> branch prediction... hmmmm
[16:53:31] <specing> floating point unit... hmmmmm
[16:53:37] <OndraSter> mmm
[16:53:43] <OndraSter> DAC?
[16:53:48] <OndraSter> hmmm!
[16:53:49] <megal0maniac> YES!
[16:53:54] <megal0maniac> For me, anyways :)
[16:53:58] <megal0maniac> 2x
[16:54:01] <OndraSter> hehe
[16:54:01] <specing> OndraSter: CAN :D
[16:54:14] <OndraSter> the only place I ever saw using CAN is in cars
[16:54:17] <Amadiro> the stellaris has CAN?
[16:54:19] <megal0maniac> My car has CAN
[16:54:22] <specing> yep
[16:54:27] <megal0maniac> I'm dying to hook it up to something
[16:54:29] <OndraSter> Amadiro, NOW YOU NEED TO GET ONE!
[16:54:30] <OndraSter> lol
[16:54:31] <Amadiro> well, guess I'll be looking at that at some point in the future, then
[16:54:43] <Amadiro> OndraSter, I pre-ordered two stellaris a few months ago...
[16:54:50] <OndraSter> heh
[16:54:54] <specing> few months?
[16:54:59] <specing> when is the ship date?
[16:55:02] <Amadiro> even though I'm essentially already drowning in microcontrollers
[16:55:06] <Amadiro> and I really don't need more
[16:55:22] <Amadiro> but I'm a sucker for shiny things
[16:55:33] <Vutral> headache
[16:55:35] <Vutral> headache
[16:55:38] <Vutral> oh btw
[16:55:47] <Vutral> there is multidrop rs485
[16:55:48] <Vutral> ^^
[16:55:58] <megal0maniac> Amadiro: And $5 dev boards :)
[16:56:24] <Vutral> 80 euros for 100 transceivers
[16:56:28] <Vutral> or 400 for 1000 ^^
[16:56:35] <OndraSter> hehe
[16:56:37] <OndraSter> mcp2515?
[16:56:37] <Amadiro> megal0maniac, yeah... but I also have raspberry pies, beagleboards, teensies, various arduino boards, various pic boards, various fpga boards...
[16:56:51] <Vutral> OndraSter, old generation maxim shit
[16:56:53] <OndraSter> BUT! Stellaris Launchpad is not arduino compatible!
[16:56:56] <OndraSter> Vutral, ah
[16:57:31] <Vutral> lololol
[16:57:33] <Vutral> stellaris launchpad
[16:57:59] <specing> :>
[16:58:03] <Amadiro> also, gecko tiny boards, which I'll have to do something with at some point
[16:58:50] <Amadiro> they apparently claim the geckos are the lowest-energy MCUs on the market, even lower than MSPs etc, even though it's a cortex-m5
[16:59:13] <Amadiro> and they have neat profilling tools to see how much watts each of your line of code uses
[16:59:19] <Vutral> a cortex m5 ?
[16:59:28] <OndraSter> yeah
[16:59:31] <OndraSter> CORTEX m5?!
[17:00:32] <OndraSter> now tell me that Qualcomm is already shipping 64bit cores :(
[17:01:22] <megal0maniac> Qualcomm is already shipping 64bit cores
[17:01:26] <OndraSter> :(
[17:01:33] <megal0maniac> Are they?
[17:02:04] <Vutral> 64bit cortex ?
[17:02:06] <Vutral> REALLY ?
[17:02:06] <Vutral> *G*
[17:03:11] <specing> cortex-a15
[17:03:20] <Vutral> lol
[17:03:30] <specing> they ain't shippin yet afaik
[17:03:39] <specing> armv8a is being designed or so
[17:04:02] <OndraSter> cortex a15 is out for quite some time
[17:05:19] <Vutral> when will they market spinalcord processors
[17:05:24] <Vutral> there are cortex
[17:05:27] <Vutral> but no spinalcord :(
[17:07:08] <OndraSter> *I see what you did there*
[17:09:03] <specing> :)
[17:09:14] <specing> Seriously, 64-bit ARM is out?
[17:09:20] <OndraSter> no
[17:09:24] <OndraSter> it is WIP for some time now
[17:10:24] <Vutral> woman in penetration ?
[17:10:29] <Vutral> ^^
[17:10:39] <OndraSter> :P
[17:10:42] <Vutral> lol
[17:10:44] <OndraSter> binutils and gcc compiled!
[17:20:34] <OndraSter> woah it is 0007 :(
[17:20:37] <OndraSter> BOND TIME!
[17:20:40] <OndraSter> if strippe enough
[17:23:19] <OndraSter> Dear atmel, you forgot atxmega256a3(b)u in the avr-libc-1.8.0!
[17:31:25] <megal0maniac> Eggdrop is difficult
[17:31:52] <specing> How much RAM/flash do you have free and how much does it require?
[17:32:30] <megal0maniac> I'm using uSD for flash, so that's fine, and I've got 32mb RAM
[17:32:48] <megal0maniac> It was ported and optimized for this target, so there shouldn't be issues
[17:33:00] <megal0maniac> And it's running fine, it's just the damn config...
[17:33:30] <megal0maniac> It's 1344 lines long
[17:33:43] <specing> hahaha
[17:33:59] <specing> I've done 15K line configs before no problem
[17:34:09] <megal0maniac> Quick, how do I tell VI to move to a specific line?
[17:34:23] <specing> use page up/down
[17:34:24] <megal0maniac> Yes, but this is in VI on a 115200 serial connection :)
[17:34:33] <specing> so what?
[17:34:38] <megal0maniac> SLOW
[17:34:46] <megal0maniac> Because no pgup/pgdn
[17:34:51] <specing> 10kbytes/s is not slow
[17:34:59] <OndraSter> that is twice the dialup
[17:35:08] <specing> yeah
[17:35:13] <specing> ITS XTREME SPEEED
[17:36:05] <megal0maniac> Apparently megadsbot is connected to freenode
[17:37:10] <OndraSter> some vmware broke remote desktop to my computer!
[17:37:25] <OndraSter> (because it worked 24 hours ago without vmware)
[17:40:31] <Amadiro> megal0maniac, I think it was "gg" or so
[17:40:49] <Amadiro> possibly "=n"
[17:41:42] <Amadiro> yeah, gg works
[17:42:03] <Amadiro> in command mode, type "gg" then the line-number, then enter.
[17:42:33] <OndraSter> "because ctrl-g is too mainstream"
[17:42:41] <OndraSter> :P
[17:42:45] <OndraSter> as in ctrl-GO!
[17:42:49] <OndraSter> even atmel studio knows it!
[17:43:21] <OndraSter> woot, southpark in a few hours :P
[17:43:29] <Amadiro> I think ctrl-g toggles readonly in vi or so....
[17:43:37] <OndraSter> ugh
[17:43:48] <OndraSter> how does any "g" word relate to readonly..
[17:43:55] <OndraSter> gprotect
[17:43:56] <OndraSter> greadonly
[17:43:59] <OndraSter> aanyway
[17:44:00] <OndraSter> I am off
[17:44:01] <OndraSter> bb
[17:44:03] <Vutral> lololol
[17:44:10] <Vutral> laaaa
[17:44:12] <Vutral> zhis is great
[17:44:19] <Vutral> oh btw
[17:44:22] <Amadiro> no clue, I was mostly guessing here, it could be doing something else entirely that somehow has setting the buffer RO as side-effect
[17:44:28] <Vutral> someone on #electronics told me about building a TENS
[17:44:37] <Vutral> but the link used a NE555
[17:44:47] <Amadiro> nevermind: "Control-G, Shows filename, current line number, total lines in file, and % of file location"
[17:44:51] <Vutral> i thought about pulsing 5 volt or so to a 1:10 impulse transformer
[17:44:57] <Amadiro> the file I opened just happened to be RO
[17:45:06] <Vutral> with a capacitance paralell to secondary coil
[17:45:10] <Vutral> any suggestions ?
[17:45:28] <Vutral> i would drive a bc558 or so with an digital out of a attiny or so
[17:45:51] <megal0maniac> Amadiro: Thanks. It works. But the bot still doesn't :)
[17:45:58] <Vutral> well 5 volt are low
[17:46:02] <Vutral> usually i should use 9 volt or so
[17:46:22] <megal0maniac> I just edited the config file on my computer instead of the one on the router and couldn't figure out why the settings weren't taking...
[17:46:28] <megal0maniac> Think it's time for sleep :)
[17:46:29] <megal0maniac> gn
[17:48:16] <Vutral> eh
[18:39:26] <CapnKernel> Tom_itx: I'm here, but for values of here :-)
[18:40:38] <Tom_itx> someone wanted parts from you
[18:40:59] <Roklobsta> hey capnkernel... how's things. are you still go to for pcb's and componentns?
[18:41:20] <CapnKernel> PCBs no problem at all.
[18:41:30] <CapnKernel> Parts more difficult, as I'm back in Australia at present.
[18:41:36] <Roklobsta> ok. do you have an url?
[18:41:36] <Tom_itx> for how long?
[18:41:57] <CapnKernel> I'll be back in Shenzhen from Oct 20 until Jan 20.
[18:42:22] <CapnKernel> Roklobsta: If you want to order PCBs:
http://tinyurl.com/hvpcbfaq
[18:42:26] <Tom_itx> someone is looking for some heating elements with thermocouples
[18:42:36] <Tom_itx> is that something you can source?
[18:42:43] <Tom_itx> 6mm diameter
[18:42:45] <Tom_itx> approx
[18:42:58] <Roklobsta> Google Docs has encountered a server error. doh
[18:42:58] <CapnKernel> Not really.
[18:43:10] <Roklobsta> aha works now
[18:43:19] <Tom_itx> i saw lots of chinese mfg is why i asked
[18:43:20] <CapnKernel> The ability to source stuff is determined by how much it's going into products being made now.
[18:45:15] <Roklobsta> aha so main site is hackvana.com?
[18:46:03] <Amadiro> CapnKernel, do you have any ballpark number for the cost of getting single boards for the prototype process? (10cm by 10cm or so, 2-layer) -- I've been keeping my eyes open for the cheapest sources for single-shot pcbs for the prototyping process.
[18:46:58] <Amadiro> Right now we're making them with an automated PCB burr, but it has a lot of various limitations, so in the end we usually still have to shell out to get a few prototypes made from a factory
[18:48:24] <CapnKernel> Roklobsta: Yes, but currently no way to order PCBs online (in testing now though)
[18:48:39] <Roklobsta> cool thanks.
[18:48:55] <CapnKernel> Amadiro: 10x 5x5cm boards, USD19 inc shipping
[18:49:19] <Amadiro> CapnKernel, can't get less than that?
[18:50:17] <Roklobsta> hmm everything is sold out. still under construction?
[18:50:49] <Amadiro> 190USD is pretty much the exact same thing I pay with pcbpool
[18:51:00] <CapnKernel> 190USD?? LOL
[18:51:02] <CapnKernel> 19USD
[18:51:16] <Amadiro> CapnKernel, per board, no?
[18:51:35] <CapnKernel> 19USD for 10 boards
[18:51:43] <Amadiro> CapnKernel, seriously? sweet.
[18:51:55] <Amadiro> CapnKernel, I'll keep that in mind for the next project :)
[18:52:28] <CapnKernel> Amadiro: See you in #hackvana :-)
[18:52:37] <CapnKernel> We're getting some good electronics talks over there.
[18:52:44] <Amadiro> CapnKernel, allright
[18:54:04] <RoyOnWheels> ah yes Tom_itx, i remember
[18:54:29] <RoyOnWheels> CapnKernel: any access to thermal fuses?
[18:54:44] <CapnKernel> RoyOnWheels: I heard you were after me.
[18:54:49] <Tom_itx> <CapnKernel> I'll be back in Shenzhen from Oct 20 until Jan 20
[18:57:23] * CapnKernel is PMing with RoyOnWheels
[18:57:56] * Tom_itx is not
[18:58:26] <RoyOnWheels> lol
[20:36:37] <SuperMiguel> if i want to connect about 6 boards using avr 2561, and i want them all to be able to each other using zbees, which one should i get?
http://adafruit.com/products/968 vs
http://adafruit.com/products/128
[20:36:51] <SuperMiguel> mesh vs multipoint
[20:39:03] <GuShH> SuperMiguel: you should get a pair of balls and do it yourself, instead of depending on these ass wiping bastards.
[20:39:33] <SuperMiguel> dimelo argentino
[20:39:55] <GuShH> estos hijos de puta solo quieren tu dinero! no vas a aprender nunca nada asi!
[20:40:17] <SuperMiguel> quienes?
[20:40:21] <GuShH> o te pensas que le importas a esa lesbiana mal cogida de ladyada
[20:40:40] <SuperMiguel> na loco, yo puse ese link por que fue el primero en google
[20:40:45] <GuShH> jaja
[20:40:54] * GuShH rofls
[20:41:08] <SuperMiguel> has usado xbees?
[20:41:10] <GuShH> SuperMiguel: find her pic and tell me I'm not right!
[20:41:22] <SuperMiguel> you are :P
[20:41:26] <GuShH> xbees no, too expensive for what it is
[20:41:44] <GuShH> I'd go for cheap ass RF modules and wing it myself
[20:41:44] <SuperMiguel> ba my university is paying for it
[20:41:51] <GuShH> well then, xbees it is
[20:42:19] <SuperMiguel> never used that shit, not sure which one, there are alot of models
[20:42:31] <GuShH> see which one suits your needs
[20:42:39] <GuShH> or get the best ones
[20:42:44] <GuShH> since you aren't paying for them
