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[00:21:16] <izua> a bit of help? i'm having interrupts distributed across several files, one scans the keyboard, so it's in keyboard.c, another generates pulses, so it's in pulses.c. they are timer0_ovf and timer1_ovf, respectively, compiling for mega16.
[00:21:42] <izua> after some changes, it started resetting and not working, apparently one of the isr jumps wasn't there anymore.
[00:22:30] <izua> the assembly turns out like this: 10: 2e c6 rjmp .+3164 ; 0xc6e <__vector_8>
[00:22:37] <izua> and as far as i'm aware, rjmp can't do over 2k.
[00:24:03] <izua> the problem, as i see it, is that although the next interrupt, 1a (timer0_ovf) is defined and has code, its vector has no code, doing this instead: 12: 82 c0 rjmp .+260 ; 0x118 <__bad_interrupt>
[00:25:55] <Casper> izua: 2k words or 2k bytes? iirc gcc use bytes addressing, while the datasheet talk about words
[00:26:48] <izua> erm.. i'm not sure, i think rjmp does it over bytes
[00:28:04] <izua> Casper: regardless, rjmp has opcode 1100, and 12 bytes left for the raddress.
[00:28:40] <izua> that's 2048 bytes/words from the current position
[00:28:46] <izua> 3164 doesn't exactly fit in 12 bytes?
[00:29:43] <izua> and it can't be unsigned representation, because later, it has .-8
[00:30:27] <specing> rjmp is word-addressed
[00:30:28] <izua> is there a special parameter to pass around to the compiler, so it will do a bigger jump out of several shorter ones? o_O
[00:30:56] <Casper> I doubt there is a bug there
[00:31:03] <specing> there is nothing wrong with that jump
[00:31:03] <izua> me too
[00:32:26] <izua> oook then
[00:32:29] <specing> rjmp is -4096 to +4096 bytes
[00:32:54] <izua> i guess the problem is that the code for one vector isn't generated anymore. well, at least its jump, since the actual service code exists somewhere.
[00:33:09] <specing> $ git diff
[00:33:41] <izua> if there was a $, or a git, i'd have restored the working version by now
[00:33:54] <specing> There is your first problem
[00:34:18] <izua> well, it's something i whacked in a few hours, not really worthy of a first commit
[00:35:49] <izua> i did undo all the changes manually to the point where it was working, but obviously that wasn't very succesful :P
[00:36:33] <izua> hmm. i removed one interrupt, and the jump for the other one still isn't generated.
[00:47:16] <izua> ah.
[00:47:40] <izua> apparently, it was a different interrupt then the one i was looking for, 0x20, COMP instead of OVF
[00:48:04] <izua> for some reason, the program memory strings get (over)written there instead of the isr jump
[00:50:29] <izua> aaand yes, if i change the ISR to service TIMER2_COMP (vector 4) instead of TIMER0_COMP (vector 20), the compiler generates the jump
[00:51:03] <izua> well, i could just switch the code to do everything on timer 2, since i'm not using it anyway, but i bet this bug will haunt me
[00:51:16] <izua> so. why would program memory strings overwrite the interrupt table?
[01:20:11] <izua> awesome.
[01:20:58] <izua> somewhere along the lines of messing with the makefile, i removed $(CFLAGS) from the linker's parameters
[01:21:26] <izua> not exactly sure what bugs that brought along, but my purpose was to remove unused code.. the hex got shorter, so i guess it succeded!
[01:21:34] <izua> fuck. *headdesks*
[01:24:21] <specing> That is what you get for using Makefiles
[01:27:02] <Casper> no
[01:27:15] <Casper> that's what he get from removing random stuff out of the makefile
[01:27:24] <izua> it was my own makefile
[01:27:36] <izua> i moved most of the CFLAGS that were related to linking into LDFLAGS
[01:27:41] <izua> except... tadada.. mmcu
[01:28:36] <izua> and apparently it compiled for my target device, and linked for... something else, lol
[06:02:03] <mitsakos> has anybody used ST7540?
[11:32:38] <megal0maniac> OndraSter: How are the xboards coming along?
[11:33:57] <OndraSter> well 3 are built
[11:34:07] <Corwin> well... give me one :)
[11:35:47] <megal0maniac> Corwin and I will stop giving you a hard time when you ship to us. We're not even complaining about having to pay :P
[11:36:17] <Corwin> :P
[11:36:42] <Corwin> not really... i dont care much... i have few other boards to play with
[11:36:43] <megal0maniac> Otherwise, how is it going? Everything working as expected?
[11:36:55] <OndraSter> USB works, onboard LEDs work
[11:37:08] <Corwin> how about onboard MCU?
[11:37:10] <Corwin> works too ?
[11:37:17] <OndraSter> well that obviously works since both features work
[11:37:29] <Corwin> :)
[11:37:35] <megal0maniac> Did you see the blinky video on youtube? It's his only one :)
[11:37:42] <megal0maniac> (@Corwin)
[11:37:47] <Corwin> yes, seen it
[11:38:02] <Corwin> and seen that nice solderwork on that board too :)
[11:38:14] <megal0maniac> Only (public) one, to be fair
[11:38:46] <OndraSter> yes, the only public one
[11:40:57] <megal0maniac> Is this the first revision of the PCB?
[11:41:01] <OndraSter> yes
[11:41:12] <megal0maniac> Then congrats :)
[11:41:19] <OndraSter> thanks :D
[11:41:26] <OndraSter> except the v-reg it is perfect
[11:41:34] <OndraSter> well, some labels need aligning fixed
[11:41:47] <OndraSter> aka move a bit further from the pad
[11:41:58] <megal0maniac> What's wrong with the v-reg?
[11:42:11] <OndraSter> like I said, I used footprint for LM2936 instead 1117
[11:42:19] <OndraSter> and they have the pins ... differently arranged
[11:42:22] <OndraSter> I posted here photo
[11:42:28] <OndraSter> the v-reg is rotated b 90°
[11:42:30] <OndraSter> by*
[11:42:46] <megal0maniac> Ah, whoops. I've done the same thing with a 7805 and 1117
[11:43:19] <megal0maniac> Though that the 7805 pinout was logical and stupidly assumed that the 1117 would be the asme
[11:43:20] <megal0maniac> same
[11:43:26] <OndraSter> heh
[11:43:31] <OndraSter> I accidentaly picked the lm2936
[11:43:32] <megal0maniac> I wasn't online when you posted the pic
[11:43:32] <OndraSter> no idea why
[11:43:34] <OndraSter> oh
[11:43:42] <megal0maniac> I'm usually not online :)
[11:43:46] <OndraSter> http://clip2net.com/page/m12051/32701130
[11:43:53] <OndraSter> the others look better since they do not have tinned the middle pad
[11:44:01] <OndraSter> this is my first soldered board :D
[11:44:53] <megal0maniac> "rev A" makes it okay :P
[11:44:53] <megal0maniac> And very nice, well done.
[11:45:05] <OndraSter> thanks
[11:45:16] <OndraSter> http://clip2net.com/page/m12051/32701168
[11:45:19] <OndraSter> the chip itself soldered
[11:46:08] <megal0maniac> You did that by hand? :/
[11:46:18] <OndraSter> I have hotair gun
[11:46:26] <OndraSter> I haven't got all parts for reflow oven controller yet :)
[11:49:06] <OndraSter> oo
[11:49:11] <OndraSter> Dean is here during work day?
[11:49:46] <abcminiuser__> OndraSter, it's 6:30PM
[11:49:51] <OndraSter> I know
[11:49:52] <megal0maniac> Oh!
[11:49:53] <OndraSter> I have the same timezone
[11:49:59] <megal0maniac> Doh.
[11:50:16] <OndraSter> that doesn't change the fact that today is a working day, not weekend :)
[11:50:25] <OndraSter> you used to appear here only on weekends lately :P
[11:50:28] <abcminiuser__> I wasn't intentionally away, our home router is awful and has crashed for about two weeks
[11:50:33] <OndraSter> oh
[11:50:44] <abcminiuser__> And the library one I've been using doesn't like Freenode :(
[11:50:44] <OndraSter> *have you tried turning it off and on again?*
[11:50:58] <abcminiuser__> So if I disappear any day, blame the wonderful Jensen company
[11:51:07] <abcminiuser__> I would, but it's on the fourth floor in someone else's apartment...
[11:51:10] <megal0maniac> @abcminiuser__ Just figured out who you are :P Was looking at the logs, and wondering who this Atmel employee was on IRC. And now I remember your Twitter name, and... Well I'm not confused anymore :)
[11:51:11] <OndraSter> oh
[11:51:21] <OndraSter> I need to change my router as well
[11:51:30] * megal0maniac votes for TP-Link
[11:51:40] <OndraSter> on wifi it sometimes works that every even packed gets 3s to my computer, every odd packed gets 4ms
[11:51:42] <OndraSter> no idea what is with that
[11:51:48] <abcminiuser__> megal0maniac, someone said I worked for Atmel?
[11:51:51] <OndraSter> yes, probably that cheap WR-700 or 701 or whatever from ebay
[11:51:54] <OndraSter> $20 or $22
[11:51:57] <OndraSter> stick openwrt on it
[11:52:22] <OndraSter> and use it just as wifi AP... and use my server as router
[11:52:46] <abcminiuser__> megal0maniac, that must mean I'm finally popular...
[11:52:58] <OndraSter> you always were
[11:53:13] <megal0maniac> abcminiuser__: Well, no. But I was looking at your tuts the other day, and ended up browsing the rest of your site
[11:53:16] <megal0maniac> Helpful stuff
[11:53:41] <megal0maniac> (No to the someone saying you work for Atmel)
[11:54:28] <megal0maniac> I also kind of picked it up from the IRC log from earlier today.
[11:55:14] <abcminiuser__> Hurrah, I'm useful :P
[11:55:29] <abcminiuser__> Well not so much today, not many ASF bugs fixed since I have a cold and feel awful
[11:55:31] <abcminiuser__> But still
[11:55:50] <OndraSter> abcminiuser__, before I forget about it -- LUFA readme or that documentation says that xmega is still *in development*
[11:56:06] <abcminiuser__> OndraSter, look at the Known Issues list to know why
[11:56:07] <OndraSter> I tried configuring any project to compile for atxmega256a3u and it said "atxmega can be used for asm only" or something similar
[11:56:08] <OndraSter> ah
[11:56:19] <abcminiuser__> OndraSter, that's due to an old toolchain
[11:56:31] <OndraSter> I used the one from atmel studio 6
[11:56:39] <abcminiuser__> It's usable if you know what you're doing, but after a horrible incident I kept that warning
[11:56:53] <abcminiuser__> ^ Can't be, the AU XMEGAs have been supported for over a year now
[11:56:56] <abcminiuser__> Check your paths
[11:57:01] <OndraSter> hmm
[11:57:03] <megal0maniac> ...horrible incident?
[11:57:29] <abcminiuser__> megal0maniac, guy ignored the old warnings and made promises to commercial clients
[11:57:45] <abcminiuser__> Then got upset when he found out that "experimental" means "not for production"
[11:58:03] <abcminiuser__> So I added a ton of extra warnings everywhere and added the known issues list for my own reference
[11:58:36] <OndraSter> "No demos, bootloaders or projects have been ported for the XMEGA devices in the current release"
[11:58:37] <OndraSter> I see
[11:58:40] <OndraSter> that explains the error :)
[11:59:10] <abcminiuser__> Yeah porting the demos means adding full board drivers for every single board
[11:59:28] <abcminiuser__> Which I've been putting off for ages due to the amount of work involved vs. the amount of energy I have
[11:59:46] <megal0maniac> I'm assuming he decided that it was your fault then?
[11:59:52] <abcminiuser__> megal0maniac, of course
[12:00:35] <Blecha> yo yo yo internetians
[12:00:39] <RikusW> megal0maniac: see IM
[12:02:19] <OndraSter> abcminiuser__, funny thing, I couldn't find FLIP bootloader in ASF demos for A3U
[12:02:23] <OndraSter> so I grabbed A1U sample
[12:02:27] <OndraSter> changed target chip and voila, it works :D
[12:02:31] <OndraSter> wait, that was keyboard demo*
[12:02:36] <OndraSter> sorry
[12:02:43] <OndraSter> FLIP exists for 256A3U
[12:02:47] <abcminiuser__> OndraSter, yup, the XMEGAs are code compatible within the same family
[12:02:51] <abcminiuser__> OndraSter, ja
[12:03:00] <OndraSter> yep, finally registers do not cross over like on mega
[12:05:19] <Blecha> OndraSter that for programming over USB right?
[12:05:24] <OndraSter> yes
[12:05:26] <OndraSter> USB bootloader
[12:05:53] <Blecha> I think thats what the atmega8u uses right?
[12:06:01] <Blecha> On the arduino uno boards
[12:06:16] <Blecha> I was reading up on it the other day
[12:06:22] <OndraSter> I thought that only leonardo has mega32u*
[12:06:33] <OndraSter> and those others have the mega8u2 or 16u2 as USB <> serial
[12:08:20] <abcminiuser__> Blecha, the Uno uses my bootloader, not the official Atmel ones
[12:08:25] <abcminiuser__> Same for the Leonardo
[12:08:37] <megal0maniac> Optiboot!
[12:08:38] <abcminiuser__> (Different bootloaders, but both modified from LUFA)
[12:08:44] <megal0maniac> Oh wait
[12:08:47] <Essobi> Nice!
[12:08:47] <megal0maniac> Sorry :)
[12:08:58] <abcminiuser__> Optiboot isn't mine
[12:08:59] <OndraSter> abcminiuser__, do they pay you? :P
[12:09:07] <abcminiuser__> I meant for the MEGA8U2 on the UNO, not the main processor
[12:09:10] <abcminiuser__> OndraSter, ja
[12:09:17] <OndraSter> :)
[12:09:27] <megal0maniac> I realised the mistake, hence my "Oh wait" :)
[12:09:33] <abcminiuser__> The Arduino folks are really nice (had dinner with some of them) and very fair to the open source community
[12:09:47] <OndraSter> they are from norway as well?
[12:09:50] <OndraSter> or back in the ozieland?
[12:10:20] <OndraSter> also, how do they feel about those cheaper chinese copies?
[12:11:03] <megal0maniac> OndraSter: I have a Chinese Nano. It was $15 vs $35 and as good as the original. Feel a bit dirty using it, though
[12:11:14] <OndraSter> I have chinese duemilanove
[12:11:27] <OndraSter> back when duemilanove was new
[12:11:30] <OndraSter> with mega168
[12:11:35] <Essobi> no kidding? chinese nano's are $15? heh
[12:12:35] <megal0maniac> I don't feel too bad, because my first was a genuine Uno R3
[12:12:43] <OndraSter> :)
[12:12:50] <OndraSter> anyway
[12:12:56] <OndraSter> http://myxboard.net/compare.html :D
[12:13:07] <abcminiuser__> OndraSter, no they visited Norway a year or so ago
[12:13:22] <megal0maniac> OndraSter: Still too much
http://error.pipni.cz/404.html
[12:13:33] <abcminiuser__> Can't comment on how they feel (not my place) but I just got an official Leonardo today for debugging an issue
[12:13:44] <abcminiuser__> And it's super elegant, nice box, manual, everything
[12:13:53] <megal0maniac> Manual? Nice...
[12:13:58] <Blecha> abcminiuser__ I just saw the leonardo today
[12:14:01] <Blecha> that seems promising
[12:14:06] <megal0maniac> I got a Teensy without the pins. Came in a packet :P
[12:14:15] <Blecha> I want to play with that mega*u series
[12:14:15] <abcminiuser__> Well, info sheet rather
[12:14:29] <abcminiuser__> I've got....a few....USB AVRs around
[12:14:46] <Essobi> OndraSter: xboards look interesting.
[12:15:27] <Essobi> OndraSter: You should fix the 404's in your webpage thou. :D
[12:15:29] <Blecha> I was impressed when i got my legit uno, it is of a high build quality so i expect the same of the leonardo
[12:15:46] <aarossig> I have a loop in my code that is exactly 12 instructions to output the sine values on a port. The CPU is clocked at 8MHz. How is it possible that the sine wave is measuring 2MHz at the output of my R/R2 DAC?
[12:16:18] <Essobi> You're measuring it incorrectly?
[12:16:48] <aarossig> So there is no multiple instructions/clock feature in avr MCUs then?
[12:16:51] <Blecha> is your fuse dividing the clock?
[12:17:10] <aarossig> no, it's running at 8MHz, no Clkdiv/8 is enabled
[12:17:38] <abcminiuser__> aarossig, no, no magic instructions like that
[12:17:57] <abcminiuser__> Are you measuring the full wave?
[12:18:26] <abcminiuser__> And is the sine wave table only 12 entries long?
[12:18:45] <OndraSter> abcminiuser__, and how do you feel about chinese copying leonardo with LUFA? :/
[12:18:53] <Steffanx> "and very fair to the open source community" lol abcminiuser__ they're not
[12:19:10] <Steffanx> ask BusError :)
[12:19:12] <aarossig> actually, It is only 4 values to the sine wave.
[12:19:33] <aarossig> 0,1,0,-1
[12:19:43] <aarossig> I am modulating that using the ADC
[12:19:46] <abcminiuser__> OndraSter, not like I can stop them :(
[12:19:53] <abcminiuser__> Steffanx, how so?
[12:20:44] <aarossig> abcminiuser__: This is tuned using my radio set at 2MHz
http://gtabfans.com/~andrew/upload/radio/premadonna%20girl%20cut.mp3
[12:21:18] <abcminiuser__> aarossig, harmonics, yo
[12:21:42] <aarossig> abcminiuser__: sounds right, but I can view this wave on my scope at 0.1us/div
[12:21:48] <aarossig> would I be viewing harmonics on a scope?
[12:22:43] <Steffanx> I don't know the details abcminiuser__, but i remember something about a 'not so nice' reaction when he came with the idea to add his simulator to the arduino ide
[12:23:17] * BusError agrees. pretty far up their own BEEEP, was the reaction
[12:23:26] <Steffanx> Ha, see :P
[12:23:50] <abcminiuser__> Oh, disappointing
[12:23:56] <abcminiuser__> They were nice to me *shrugs*
[12:25:08] <aarossig> I expect the frequency to be ~666kHz
[12:25:10] <Blecha> abcminiuser__ you are useful to them?
[12:25:16] <Blecha> idk im not cool enough to meet anyone
[12:25:51] <RikusW> Blecha:
http://sites.google.com/site/megau2s/home m32u2 board
[12:26:08] <RikusW> Blecha Tom also have some m32u2 boards
[12:26:13] <specing> Blecha got some internets?
[12:26:23] <megal0maniac> Tom has stopped making them, iirc
[12:26:43] <megal0maniac> Something about "the PS3 hacking hype dying down"
[12:27:21] <BusError> I had done most of the wwork in simavr to make it "simduino". it could have been used as a target pretty easily to simulate straight from the IDE, allow source debug etc or work on your 'project' while offline on the laptop for example... but from what I understood in the public reply and the couple of messages exchanged was that they weren;t interested at all in a simulator, what I read from that is that they were quite happ
[12:27:21] <BusError> y selling arduinos by the buckload (and still are)
[12:28:17] <BusError> so I dropped it... it's still in the tree, still works. Someone recently tried to make a "kickstarter" by making a GUI around it... asked $4.7k to more or less wrap the free simavr. Didn't work tho
[12:28:24] * RikusW prefers straight AVR asm instead.
[12:28:30] <abcminiuser__> I can email the devs directly about it if you want
[12:29:34] <Blecha> specing YES!
[12:29:43] <Blecha> Im at work now but we got it turned back on :D
[12:30:23] <specing> How fast is it?
[12:30:25] <BusError> http://www.indiegogo.com/Arduino-Simulator?c=home <- that guy never even contacted me. Nice example of the kickstarter style sites encouraging the pillaging of open source
[12:31:03] <Blecha> 2-4 Megs I think
[12:32:14] <BusError> abcminiuser__, I'm not too bothered by the arduino thing... if they wanted it, they had ample time to pick it up...
[12:32:53] <abcminiuser__> BusError, think of the users, not the creators
[12:32:58] <specing> Blecha: lolol
[12:33:33] <specing> Blecha: I could get 50/50 here if I wanted
[12:34:49] <abcminiuser__> I guess perhaps the Arduino guys think a simulator is too complex, and that people can try it on real hardware
[12:35:04] <abcminiuser__> Doesn't help if you're trying to track down a hard issue however
[12:35:45] <BusError> as a user of embedded stuff, not understanding why a software simulator is a must have is beyond me.. especially one where you can add your own peripherals.. Not even mentioning the debugging, but just the test units you can make saved me months or years worth of debugging ...
[12:37:03] <specing> pebkac.
[12:37:13] <specing> I write perfect code anyway
[12:37:23] <specing> Why would I bother with a simulator?
[12:38:03] <BusError> for the bugs the other guy you work with introduced while you were on hols
[12:41:09] <RikusW> specing: I can't even get 50k here :-/
[12:42:16] <RikusW> sometimes a simulater is VERY useful
[12:42:22] <RikusW> *o
[12:42:35] <specing> i used a simulator back when I was programing PICs
[12:42:43] <specing> otherwise nothing would work
[12:43:59] <Blecha> specing its good enough for me right now :d
[12:44:35] <specing> I'll get 50/50 only if I start hosting servers
[12:45:42] <RikusW> there is few a 1T fiber lines less than 25km from me......
[12:45:54] <RikusW> its the new seacom link
[12:46:21] <RikusW> I do hope the put a breakout on the town
[12:47:44] <Essobi> 1T?
[12:47:57] <RikusW> 1Tbps
[12:48:03] <Essobi> Nice. :D
[12:48:18] <specing> terabits?
[12:48:18] <RikusW> its a major link between capital cities
[12:48:20] <aarossig> RikusW: Slip the guy 20 bucks.. he'll surely run a line into your garage
[12:48:21] <RikusW> yes
[12:48:27] <Essobi> Wire up some repeaters to your crib. :D
[12:48:28] <specing> haha
[12:48:57] <RikusW> unfortunately tapping fiber is impossible...
[12:49:05] * crib ?
[12:49:35] <Essobi> Some 3AM, fiber splicing, and a few line of sight laser repeaters back to the crib...
[12:50:00] <RikusW> Essobi: there seems to be a repeater station in town
[12:50:14] <RikusW> I just hope the provide the town with FAST internet
[12:50:15] <aarossig> a complex system of mirrors and lasers
[12:50:17] <Essobi> RikusW: It's possible. Active repeaters and passive taps are now available for fiber...
[12:50:26] <Essobi> Just bought some...
[12:50:48] <Essobi> now...a 1 tbps tap might be pretty hard to f'ing come by...
[12:50:49] <RikusW> passive taps for 1T ?
[12:51:01] <RikusW> hmm
[12:51:11] <RikusW> it will degrade the line...
[12:51:18] <Essobi> :D but I doubt there's doing that on a single fiber.. it's likely aggregate with backups.
[12:51:20] <aarossig> at what point can we simply not go any faster?
[12:51:25] <aarossig> there is a physical limit
[12:51:31] <Essobi> aarossig: Light speed.
[12:51:52] <RikusW> Essobi: I think the link capacity is like 2T
[12:52:43] <RikusW> http://www.google.com/search?q=seacom+cable+%22south+africa%22
[12:52:45] <Essobi> *skeet*
[12:53:57] <RikusW> http://www.bandwidthbar.co.za/articles/seacom.php
[12:54:37] <megal0maniac> RikusW: Actually went to the ICT Indaba and they spoke a lot about this.
[12:55:26] <megal0maniac> And had a meeting with the spokesperson for the Minister of Communications last week. The problem is always the same, money.
[12:55:51] <megal0maniac> Amusingly, the Northern Cape will be the the first province to get digital terrestrial TV
[12:55:58] <RikusW> I've seen them still digging around recently, I wonder if there is problems with the cables ?
[12:56:21] <RikusW> so how long before analog is gone ?
[12:56:52] <RikusW> its mpeg4 compressed I assume ?
[12:57:09] <specing> RikusW: analog is already gone everywhere but in SA :P
[12:58:29] <RikusW> analog signal is gives low quality images... lots of snow...
[13:00:24] <megal0maniac> RikusW: He said they're doing a province-by-province roll-out, starting... I think October. But as far as internet goes, they want everyone to have it, but can't afford it (too many people need subsidies)
[13:02:22] <RikusW> so the digital tv transmitters carry data too ? :)
[13:02:37] * megal0maniac shrugs
[13:02:42] <megal0maniac> That would make sense :)
[13:03:20] <RikusW> digital tv can even be transmitted using cellphone towers :-P
[13:03:27] <megal0maniac> Hoping to get in touch with Sentech soon. Internship kind of thing. Only real technical contact I can milk out of the DoC
[13:04:14] <RikusW> interesting
[13:04:34] <megal0maniac> Hopefully.
[13:05:22] <RikusW> good luck with that
[13:06:20] <megal0maniac> @everyone else, I live in the city, and 10mbps is the most you can get at the moment. They're doing trials of 40mbps in "elite" areas, but that's it. We were impressed that we "hit" 8mbps actual speed at work the other day
[13:07:14] <megal0maniac> We have 1st world technology on a consumer level, but the infrastructure can't support it. Mobile data is also really expensive, and smart phones don't care
[13:08:10] <RikusW> thats why I don't want a data hungry smartphone
[13:08:43] <RikusW> smartphones does make business sense.... for the ISPs....
[13:10:12] * Landon has used a whole 300mb this month
[13:10:27] <Landon> most of that because I wanted the satellite layer for my GPS app
[13:10:31] <Landon> I wouldn't exactly call that data hungry
[13:10:56] <megal0maniac> And that would cost us $72
[13:11:14] <specing> openstreetmap provides offline maps
[13:11:40] <RikusW> 300MB ?! thats a lot for a phone and expensive over here in SA
[13:12:29] <megal0maniac> Granted, you do get bundles which make it cheaper, and blackberries have unlimited browsing and email, but data is still expensive
[13:13:13] <RikusW> does that browsing include file downloads ?
[13:13:37] <Landon> RikusW: yeah, but that was 300mb with the intention of making use of my 2.5g cap
[13:13:49] <Landon> if I was really worried it looks like I could have gotten down to 10-20mb
[13:15:46] * RikusW use 50-100mb/m
[13:16:00] <OndraSter> per minute?
[13:16:05] <Landon> RikusW: you tether right? so you don't have regular old wifi to hook the phone up to at home?
[13:16:36] <RikusW> I use a rs232 gprs modem
[13:16:41] <RikusW> Wavecom
[13:16:53] <RikusW> OndraSter: per month
[13:17:09] <OndraSter> oh lol
[13:17:13] <RikusW> I wish it was per minute :) :)
[13:18:24] * specing uses 50MB per minute ;P
[13:19:06] <OndraSter> I sometimes do 120MB per minute :D
[13:19:39] <specing> Uploaded: 1917181.2 MB \o/
[13:19:48] <OndraSter> since when? :)
[13:19:51] <specing> Idk
[13:20:00] <specing> I'll check when I opened it
[13:20:25] <specing> may 9
[13:54:41] <Blecha> If nickserv is down how can I get into registration required channels?
[13:56:16] <RikusW> Blecha ask on #freenode ?
[14:00:03] <RikusW> http://www.xess.com/prods/prod048.php
[15:59:35] <OndraSter_> CapnKernel, WTF
[15:59:35] <OndraSter_> http://clip2net.com/s/2dXI6
[15:59:37] <OndraSter_> it is some DERO show
[15:59:43] <OndraSter_> I have been watching all 35 mins so far
[15:59:54] <OndraSter_> and the only thing I have understood is "locked room" which was written in english
[16:00:01] <OndraSter_> and the show itself makes 0 sense
[16:00:07] <OndraSter_> lol
[16:00:30] <OndraSter_> and even my phone doesn't understand it
[16:02:18] <OndraSter_> you know chinese
[16:02:22] <OndraSter_> I have no idea whether this is chinese or hapanese
[16:03:11] <OndraSter_> japanese*
[16:06:46] <specing> looks blabluneese
[19:37:51] <CapnKernel> OSterver: That DERO show is Japanese.
[22:42:16] <zump> im using an atmega16u4 and an internal oscillator. but im only able to get 60kbps max (this is the avr doing nothing but sending a byte infinitely). is this expected or a bit slow?
[22:43:27] <Tom_itx> is ckdiv8 set?
[22:43:37] <Tom_itx> err does that chip have that fuse?
[22:44:53] <zump> Tom_itx: its not set
[22:48:43] <Casper> zump: it could be normal
[22:49:14] <Casper> it all depend how much instruction it do for each byte sent