#avr | Logs for 2012-08-16

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[00:14:19] <spec_> Anyone know the proper use of hi8() and lo8() with gcc-avr/gcc-as?
[05:04:04] <OndraSter_> wow the free shipping on TI is DHL
[05:04:05] <OndraSter_> not bad!
[07:41:17] <OndraSter_> Tom_itx, is there polarity at those ESD suppresors?!
[08:07:37] <Blecha> Good morning internets :D
[08:13:39] <specing> assange was granted asylum! :)
[08:13:43] <Blecha> I got all my parts and tested out my time keeping. I was off by an entire 3 minutes this morning after only running 7 hours.
[08:14:23] <specing> Blecha: heh, you could adjust for the drift over the serial port
[08:14:27] <Blecha> ecuador
[08:14:36] <specing> yes
[08:14:47] <Blecha> Im working if I could get an RTC
[08:14:51] <Blecha> or should
[08:15:03] <Blecha> also im wondering about my math
[08:15:50] <Blecha> 16Mhz/256(pre)/125=500hz
[08:16:40] <Blecha> then every 500 timer flags i tick a second
[08:16:42] <specing> you could use timer1 and adjust TOP based on drift
[08:16:50] <Blecha> TOP?
[08:17:03] <specing> CTC, top as OCR1A
[08:17:31] <Blecha> also I got my serial working properly
[08:17:48] <Blecha> and I had questions about the shift register i ordered
[08:18:19] <Blecha> I looked at its datasheet and it doesn't look like it has a register pin
[08:18:33] <Blecha> just an A/B AND gate going in
[08:18:55] <Blecha> but it should work out for the lcd as it has its own clock for when to push the data.
[08:19:28] <Blecha> I still haven't written a list but I have a bunch of stuff to google today. No internet is lame.
[08:20:17] <specing> No free wifi around?
[08:22:59] <Blecha> No laptop, only my roommates tablet
[08:23:26] <Blecha> Ive been wanting to build a portable avr programming setup for awhile though
[08:23:41] <Blecha> I could always take my stuff to the library and boot linux on a computer there :D
[08:23:59] <Blecha> I think my GF is going to pay out internet though
[08:24:49] <Blecha> Also digikey shipped way faster than sparkfun somehow, ordered the same day but I think sparkfun didn't ship until monday vs digikey on friday
[08:24:58] <Blecha> Still waiting on my lcd
[08:25:35] <OndraSter_> WTF, on the input of 1117-3v3 I have 5V, on the output 0.41V?!
[08:25:42] <OndraSter_> and no, there is no short
[08:45:39] <Blecha> :O My lcd will come today https://tools.usps.com/go/TrackConfirmAction_input?origTrackNum=9400110200829456430482
[08:47:46] <Blecha> Also I need to solve the issue of accurate time keeping, do you think adjusting my 1/500 variable would do it?
[08:47:56] <Blecha> or should I get a new way of keeping time?
[08:48:35] <jacekowski> Blecha: what?
[08:48:38] <jacekowski> Blecha: 2 days?
[08:48:57] <Blecha> If my numbers are even close to right then I will be losing 10 minutes every day...
[08:49:23] <Blecha> it was at the post office at 6am, the other package i got didn't hit the post office till 8 and it came at 11 that morning
[08:49:34] <Blecha> jacekowski^
[08:50:24] <jacekowski> well, i normally get my stuff next day
[08:51:27] <Blecha> Im in the midwest, most stuff is 2 days
[08:51:33] <Blecha> I ordered late on friday though
[08:53:38] <Blecha> In order to calibrate this in a timely manner I will need to synch it over serial or something
[08:53:52] <Blecha> otherwise I have to wait hours and hours to see it drift
[08:54:22] <Blecha> If they are in synch and it tells me its time down to the second every minute, then I should catch the drift faster. Right?
[08:54:48] <specing> Blecha: see man adjtimex
[08:55:17] <Blecha> for the avr?
[08:55:35] <Blecha> oh just using the algo to adjust, gotcha
[08:55:53] <specing> Blecha: UNIX manpages ftw ;)
[08:56:09] <Blecha> ill have to do that when i get home, im on windows at work
[08:56:43] <specing> lulz
[08:56:55] <specing> you can read manpages online :P
[08:57:23] <specing> Though manpages themselves are said to be "online"
[08:57:36] <specing> because "online" had a different meaning 30 years ago
[08:57:45] <Blecha> I am reading it now
[08:57:57] <Blecha> but its better to read at home, keeps me busy and i can actually use it
[09:00:23] <OndraSter> desoldered the LDO and connected there 3v3 from external PSU - zero load
[09:00:29] <OndraSter> so WHERE IS THE ISSUE
[09:00:45] <specing> Blecha: RFCs are typicaly not found in manpages
[09:00:51] <OndraSter> is it because there is 30uF in capacitors?
[09:00:55] <specing> Blecha: just donwload the whole collection of RFCs
[09:00:59] <OndraSter> (+ few 100nFs)
[09:01:08] <Blecha> I may only have a 4g drive on me though
[09:03:29] <specing> Blecha: its just a bunch of text files
[09:03:37] <Blecha> If i were to send out a 700khz wave 500hz at a time, I would get beeping on an AM radio right?
[09:04:00] <specing> Blecha: the whole text of en.wikipedia is only 11G compressed
[09:08:05] <rue_house> 76800 baud can be done off 16Mhz with a small error margin
[09:14:15] <Blecha> actually I wonder about tuning it to a time radio :O
[09:15:22] <Blecha> That is now the project goal
[09:15:34] <Blecha> I want to recieve radio time from an atomic clock
[09:21:14] <OndraSter> http://clip2net.com/s/2dcH7
[09:21:18] <OndraSter> now what is with the LDO
[09:21:28] <OndraSter> i desoldered it and i am using external psu
[09:24:32] <Blecha> ok so in order to recieve the signal, I could make a clock at the frequency I want and use that to tune a reciever right?
[09:27:08] <OndraSter> NOOO
[09:27:11] <OndraSter> I know where is the issue
[09:27:22] <OndraSter> the SparkFun's 1117 library part HAS SWITCHED VOUT AND GND
[09:27:24] <OndraSter> :(
[09:27:55] <OndraSter> no, it is national's
[09:28:12] <OndraSter> aka TIs
[09:28:30] <OndraSter> LM2936MP
[09:29:08] <OndraSter> with effing 50mA output
[09:29:10] <OndraSter> BOLLOCKS
[09:29:19] <OndraSter> I will kill somebody
[09:29:28] * Corwin hides
[09:33:42] <OndraSter> well, that is 10 boards wasted... for bodging :/
[09:37:06] <Blecha> ... ok nvm it probably just easier to calibrate this clock
[09:37:40] <asteve> callllllibrate good times COME ON!
[09:38:40] <Blecha> a timestamp at 48000 baud isn't going to mess up my timing. That can't take more than 1/500th of a second
[09:39:01] <Blecha> I dont get why its drifting so much, would the stray capacitance of the breadboard cause that?
[09:42:39] <Corwin> OndraSter_, how about getting better internet connection? :)
[09:42:51] <OndraSter_> not happening here
[09:43:01] <OndraSter_> either sometimes crashing 20Mbit or not working 1Mbit ADSL
[09:44:13] <Corwin> hehe,... and i curse my 60mbit for being slow :)
[09:44:37] <OndraSter_> :D
[09:46:23] <Corwin> so.... coco boards not going well ?
[09:46:36] <OndraSter_> I will have to bodge in the LDO
[09:47:30] <Corwin> bodge ?
[09:48:11] <OndraSter_> yes
[09:52:58] <OndraSter_> my phone refuses to make macros... ;D
[09:52:58] <OndraSter_> http://clip2net.com/s/2dd3A
[09:53:05] <Blecha> So no work on if I can recieve radio using a divided clock signal as an oscilator?
[09:53:19] <Blecha> word*
[09:53:26] <spec_> Hi all. Getting an assembler error: "Error: number must be positive and less than 32" Line generating error is: " sbi PORTD,PORTD5"
[09:53:51] <OndraSter_> http://clip2net.com/s/2dd4c
[09:53:56] <OndraSter_> this is my xmega soldered :)
[09:54:09] <OndraSter_> and the bodge, Corwin: http://clip2net.com/s/2dd3A
[09:54:33] <spec_> Blecha: What kind of radio? Which AVR? I missed your question.
[09:54:51] <Corwin> OndraSter_, wtf is that? :)
[09:54:58] <OndraSter_> which one?
[09:55:09] <Corwin> that LDO
[09:55:14] <OndraSter_> it is 1117-3v3
[09:55:25] <OndraSter_> that was fitted into LM2936's package
[09:55:36] <Corwin> well... nice solder work :D
[09:55:44] <OndraSter_> :D
[09:55:44] <Blecha> spec: 16Mhz divided on an atmega168. I figure i can pass a 700khz signal to a pin then use that to tune into the am signal.
[09:55:47] <spec_> Ha! Rotated 90˚
[09:56:17] <spec_> OOK?
[09:56:30] <OndraSter_> and there is 3.3V on the 3V3 output =)
[09:56:51] <OndraSter_> bloody thing
[09:56:57] <OndraSter_> I don't know why I used that LM2936
[09:57:02] <OndraSter_> footprint
[09:57:05] <spec_> Blecha: What is the signal coming from?
[10:00:03] <spec_> Has anyone had problems getting hi8() and lo8() to work in their assembly? I consistently get "Error: garbage at end of line" when I use them. Is there an alternative?
[10:03:18] <OndraSter_> guys, are ESD diodes directional?
[10:03:22] <OndraSter_> or can I put them any way in?
[10:04:36] <spec_> All diodes are directional.
[10:05:15] <OndraSter_> well
[10:05:27] <OndraSter_> I found 0 information about that in the datasheet
[10:05:52] <OndraSter_> http://www.te.com/catalog/pn/en/RF1256-000
[10:08:20] <megal0maniac> Isn't a diode by definition, directional?
[10:08:33] <megal0maniac> Whoops
[10:08:43] <megal0maniac> Missed your comment, spec_
[10:09:05] <OndraSter_> BLINKEY WORKS!
[10:09:09] <spec_> Pretty much. Some will conduct a little in the opposite direction, but those types of diodes are usually destroyed by reverse current.
[10:09:11] <OndraSter_> megal0maniac, this is ESD protection diode
[10:09:18] <OndraSter_> this is not regular diode
[10:09:28] <megal0maniac> I know, but the operative word being diode :)
[10:09:41] <OndraSter_> I like it. 256kB flash/32MHz device blinks with two LEDs TWICE A SECOND!
[10:09:42] <OndraSter_> lol
[10:10:32] <spec_> ESD diodes are pretty conventional.
[10:10:53] <Blecha> Sorry had to do work stuff
[10:10:54] <megal0maniac> Over-engineered, much? :)
[10:11:15] <Blecha> Spec just a digital signal beeping or something
[10:11:40] <Blecha> I can figure out the timing and all that later, I just want to know how hard it would be to hook up a simple am reciever to a digital pin
[10:12:22] <GuShH> Blecha: the am receiver is pretty much irrelevant, you want to perform AD conversion on audio.
[10:13:00] <GuShH> amee2woof: turned into a furry finally?
[10:13:45] <Blecha> not audio really, it would still just be a digital input
[10:14:03] <amee2woof> lol
[10:14:13] <GuShH> yeah this is when people stop helping you for ignoring them.
[10:14:25] <amee2woof> GuShH: you certified my furryness, remember?
[10:14:37] <GuShH> amee2woof: tail inspection on friday.
[10:15:07] <amee2woof> i trust you're an expert on tails then, yes?
[10:15:18] <Blecha> I dont really see what you are talking about but thanks anyways GuShH
[10:15:30] <GuShH> I got my online certification.
[10:15:30] <spec_> I've seen a few receiver/decoder designs that directly take detected RF on an input pin.
[10:15:44] <GuShH> why would you want to mess with IF
[10:15:54] <amee2woof> also, wo says i only became a furry just there now?
[10:16:14] <spec_> Generally the received signal is amplified and clipped to give it a nice clean square wave
[10:16:16] <GuShH> amee2woof: so how do you call it when a furry comes out of the closet?
[10:16:18] <amee2woof> for all you know i could have been all along. you never know on the internet, eh? >_>
[10:16:34] <GuShH> or do they come out of the kennel
[10:16:45] <amee2woof> depends on the species :P
[10:16:51] <GuShH> spec_: clipping? nonsense!
[10:16:52] <spec_> Usually for decoding OOK
[10:17:26] <GuShH> well I'm not a furrologist.
[10:17:54] <amee2woof> and just because you didn't know doesn't mean that other people didn't know either
[10:18:08] <GuShH> the certification only extends to furnician
[10:18:41] * GuShH wonders what's up with the phishing mails on wire transfers lately
[10:18:49] <amee2woof> hehe
[10:19:49] <amee2woof> show them your middle claw, man.
[10:20:12] <Blecha> So its at least possible to recieve that way.... I think its going to be easier to just calibrate my 1hz signal.
[10:20:49] <GuShH> Blecha: you can do RF detection and IF on a processor, if it's fast enough. they've been doing this for a while you know.
[10:21:04] <GuShH> I just don't see why you'd want to do it, or if you'd even have the processing power to do so.
[10:21:31] <Blecha> Im trying to keep accurate time and it would be cool to synch to the radio in boulder
[10:21:38] <GuShH> amee2woof: so.. what happened to the football match yesterday?
[10:21:42] * GuShH runs
[10:22:00] <amee2woof> lol
[10:22:02] <GuShH> german players are huge. but they play like crap.
[10:22:08] <OndraSter_> corw
[10:22:10] <amee2woof> there was a match yesterday? :O
[10:22:13] <GuShH> should try basketball.
[10:22:13] <OndraSter_> he is gone again
[10:22:15] <OndraSter_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwhEUHvmGSw&feature=youtu.be
[10:22:16] <OndraSter_> THERE
[10:22:19] <GuShH> amee2woof: I only know because of the radio really.
[10:22:20] <OndraSter_> BLINKEY ON XBOARD COCO
[10:22:24] <OndraSter_> Corwin, you always miss it
[10:22:28] <OndraSter_> don't you want to get a better internet :D
[10:22:29] <GuShH> they casually mention how a match is turning out
[10:22:30] <OndraSter_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwhEUHvmGSw&feature=youtu.be
[10:22:32] <amee2woof> GuShH: and i only know because of you
[10:22:33] <Corwin> tell that to windows 7
[10:22:48] <GuShH> amee2woof: that's OK, your team lost to ours.
[10:22:55] <amee2woof> oh, okay
[10:22:56] * GuShH pulls on amee2woof's tail
[10:23:02] <Corwin> windows update with SP1 install kicked me out of system
[10:23:03] * amee2woof smacks GuShH
[10:23:12] <OndraSter_> code: set direction, set first LED and then in loop toggle the two bits and sleep for 500ms
[10:23:14] * GuShH pouts
[10:23:19] <amee2woof> :P
[10:23:22] <OndraSter_> SP1... are you just installing the OS?
[10:23:41] <Corwin> installed win7 week ago
[10:23:43] <megal0maniac> OndraSter_: You made a youtube account for that? :P
[10:23:43] <amee2woof> GuShH: you have a cat. you should know how unauthorized tail abuse goes
[10:23:52] <OndraSter_> megal0maniac, no
[10:23:58] <OndraSter_> I have another few videos there
[10:24:01] <GuShH> lol
[10:24:08] <OndraSter_> plus I have ytb account since like.. ever
[10:24:15] <amee2woof> quick way to get a bloody scratch on your hand
[10:24:27] <GuShH> OndraSter_: you should mention that to your next employer, it's very important.
[10:24:34] <OndraSter_> heh
[10:24:42] <OndraSter_> yes, I will mention to him that I enjoy doing stuff with AVR
[10:24:49] <GuShH> no, the youtube account part.
[10:24:55] <OndraSter_> wait
[10:24:59] <OndraSter_> where are my youtube videos
[10:25:05] <megal0maniac> Youtube says you only have one video. But you've had your account for 5 years
[10:25:08] <GuShH> we moved them to youporn
[10:25:14] <Corwin> :D
[10:25:15] <OndraSter_> oh I know
[10:25:18] <OndraSter_> they are not public :)
[10:25:21] <GuShH> unlisted!
[10:25:28] <OndraSter_> I created my youtube channel
[10:25:32] <OndraSter_> from regular account
[10:26:03] <GuShH> amee2woof: should I blame the spark plug brand or the carb settings on a chipped insulator?
[10:26:11] <GuShH> the engine wasn't even running hot!
[10:26:15] <megal0maniac> OndraSter_: Congratulations, by the way :)
[10:26:20] <OndraSter_> thanks
[10:26:25] <OndraSter_> soldering the QFN was easier than one would have thought
[10:26:28] <GuShH> but it can happen as it stresses from cold to hot, however this is the first time I see it.
[10:26:45] <OndraSter_> flux the pins, put a bit of tin on them, put the chip on the pins and use hotair :D
[10:26:55] <OndraSter_> can't imagine doing it with solder paste without stencil
[10:26:59] <amee2woof> GuShH: i'd point at the plug, given these options
[10:27:00] <OndraSter_> the pins are so small!
[10:27:12] <GuShH> amee2woof: it doesn't even have a brand... I just noticed.
[10:27:27] <amee2woof> unless you got a random bad plug, i've only seen that happen when engines start knocking
[10:27:27] <GuShH> "LD - M7" and nothing else.
[10:27:29] <megal0maniac> Hot air is your friend. I tried with an iron, failed horribly and ripped one of the tracks off.
[10:28:00] <megal0maniac> GuSsH: Doesn't sound like something NGK makes XD
[10:28:01] <GuShH> you can get to the sky with hot air!
[10:28:07] <GuShH> obviously not
[10:28:11] <Corwin> OndraSter_, soo..... when you start shiping? :)
[10:28:18] <megal0maniac> Same question
[10:28:19] <OndraSter_> I can very soon :D
[10:28:25] <amee2woof> you sure the fuel type is good for the engine?
[10:28:28] <megal0maniac> Just didn't feel like nagging :P
[10:28:30] <OndraSter_> I have got parts for 3 only so far though
[10:28:31] <GuShH> yes
[10:28:48] <megal0maniac> OndraSter_: I only want one :P
[10:28:49] <amee2woof> also, any other signs on the plug like carbon deposits or a pale beige layer on the contacts?
[10:29:03] <OndraSter_> megal0maniac, you are not the only one though :D
[10:29:07] <megal0maniac> Another one for Corwin, and the first one for you to keep :)
[10:29:11] <amee2woof> if it otherwise looks clean i'd just get a new one and try again
[10:29:14] <GuShH> didn't run long enough to get carbon deposits, it was a bit fouled by oil
[10:29:15] <OndraSter_> I need one for myself, one wants Corwin, you want one
[10:29:23] <OndraSter_> another few friends want one..
[10:29:25] <GuShH> probably from extended idling
[10:29:46] <megal0maniac> By the time it reaches Africa, you'll have made a few more. So it'll be fair, right?
[10:30:02] <GuShH> amee2woof: did you build anything with that "air" tank?
[10:30:05] <OndraSter_> :D
[10:30:08] <spec_> Blecha: You should have no problem recovering WWIV in software. I'm pretty sure if you google it, you'll find other examples.
[10:30:16] <amee2woof> GuShH: not yet. haven't gotten around to it yet
[10:30:22] <amee2woof> its still at my parent's place somewhere
[10:30:23] <GuShH> meh
[10:30:48] <megal0maniac> OndraSter_: What isn't broken out that makes it smaller than that other one?
[10:31:02] <OndraSter_> everything except D6 and D7 (USB) is broken out
[10:31:07] <OndraSter_> and there is only 3V3 out broken out
[10:31:11] <OndraSter_> not USB 5V
[10:31:22] <spec_> Er... WWVB
[10:31:43] <GuShH> amee2woof: insulator looks a bit beige, but that's pretty normal
[10:31:57] <GuShH> seeing as it was white, once.
[10:32:14] <megal0maniac> Does it have a regulator or only USB powered?
[10:32:30] <GuShH> if you were to read that plug before I cleaned it up you'd say it was running rich, probably is.
[10:32:38] <amee2woof> mmh i used to have a chart for that... if it has a certain kind of pale deposit on it, it means its running lean
[10:32:52] <spec_> I think your biggest problem will be keeping the CPU noise out of your AM receiver.
[10:33:13] <GuShH> amee2woof: but lean wouldn't foul it with oil!, unless you were a retard when it came to mixing the oil >_<
[10:33:39] <GuShH> I'd rather have it run rich, so I'll take a look at that later. Never adjusted that carb actually.
[10:33:39] <OndraSter_> megal0maniac, regulator on USB power
[10:33:42] <amee2woof> lol yeah
[10:33:50] <megal0maniac> GuSsH: Mixing the oil? Are we talking about 2T?
[10:33:54] <OndraSter_> I don't know what happens when you stuck in 3V3 on the "output" of the LDO
[10:33:54] <GuShH> don't have a tachometer to get the RPMs at factory spec though
[10:34:01] <GuShH> megal0maniac: yes, chainsaws.
[10:34:17] <amee2woof> the genset at my parent's place has worn out jets and is guzzling fuel like mad
[10:34:22] <GuShH> megal0maniac: it's on topic if I glue an AVR to the air filter cover.
[10:34:31] <amee2woof> like two liters in 5 minutes at light to no load
[10:34:35] <GuShH> :|
[10:34:43] <megal0maniac> GuSsH: I'll accept :)
[10:34:44] <GuShH> holy crap
[10:35:03] <GuShH> If you send me a stencil I'll spray paint the AVR logo to the bar.
[10:35:05] * GuShH grins
[10:35:25] <GuShH> I'll go for hellokitty too.
[10:35:27] <amee2woof> the exhaust is just one big sooty sausage coming out of the muffler lol
[10:35:35] <amee2woof> i have no idea why that thing runs like that anyway
[10:35:49] <megal0maniac> GuSsH: http://pohltronik.de/sggif/media_7494.gif
[10:35:51] <GuShH> time to take the carb apart
[10:36:07] <amee2woof> already did. dry rot on the main jets
[10:36:10] <GuShH> megal0maniac: I'm not cutting that with an xacto knife!
[10:36:20] <amee2woof> can't adjust it far enough so its gonna need new jets
[10:36:48] <megal0maniac> GuSsH: Not that bad - mostly straight lines ;)
[10:37:11] <amee2woof> the set is just backup most of the time and was left sitting dry for a while
[10:37:16] <GuShH> I wouldn't even bother.
[10:37:17] <megal0maniac> Jets are cheap, just difficult (sometimes) to get hold of
[10:37:28] <GuShH> (with the diy stencil)
[10:38:00] <amee2woof> yeah. the comp still exists. its a Bing DRB type one
[10:38:07] <OndraSter_> damnit, which bloody way do those ESD diodes come in
[10:38:22] <megal0maniac> Going back to topic, OndraSter_ so the chip runs at 3V3 then?
[10:38:34] <OndraSter_> yes
[10:38:48] <OndraSter_> IOs are not 5V tolerable (one of the things that many people dislike about xmegas)
[10:38:59] <amee2woof> they seem to have a strict policy of not selling retail so i gotta run it by some of their contract stores to see where i can get replacements
[10:39:22] <GuShH> amee2woof: see if you can find oem, generic jets
[10:39:30] <megal0maniac> That's quite impressive for 32mHz
[10:39:38] <OndraSter_> well
[10:39:41] <OndraSter_> you haven't heard
[10:39:42] <GuShH> or have someone with access to a shop machine you a couple :p
[10:39:49] <OndraSter_> that all USB equipped xmegas run on 48MHz fine
[10:39:54] <OndraSter_> and some even on 64MBz :)
[10:39:55] <OndraSter_> MHz*
[10:40:17] <spec_> Blecha: This module might save you some time: http://www.pvelectronics.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=7
[10:40:19] <spec_> BBL
[10:40:22] <OndraSter_> bbl
[10:40:26] <grummund> OndraSter_: is that spec'd to 48/64MHz ?
[10:40:29] <megal0maniac> Although, x86 can clock at several ghz with... I think it's 1.8V?
[10:40:30] <OndraSter_> not officially
[10:40:37] <OndraSter_> 1.2V, megal0maniac
[10:40:54] <OndraSter_> also they have really "smart" way of doing clocks.. there is 2MHz RC oscillator inside on which the chip ALWAYS starts and then you can manually change the clock source to 32MHz/PLL/whatever
[10:41:06] <amee2woof> GuShH: not sure if it is that simple. the main jet is the bolt holding the float bowel in place
[10:41:08] <OndraSter_> (probably the same as for ARM chips)
[10:41:23] <OndraSter_> OMG MY INTERNET IS DROPPING! 5 SECONDS WORKS, 10 DOESN'T
[10:41:25] <amee2woof> http://omploader.org/vZjRqdw/CIMG9819b.jpeg << from left to right, idle jet, mixing chamber, main jet
[10:41:38] <megal0maniac> Sure you aren't just trying to access atmel.com? :P
[10:41:42] <grummund> OndraSter_: that's what happens when you overclock it
[10:41:56] <GuShH> atmel.com still going bust?
[10:42:01] <Blecha> Spec_ the reason im trying to work it out is so i dont need to order anything
[10:42:05] <OndraSter_> grummund, yes, my computer is overclocked ;D
[10:42:13] <OndraSter_> GuShH, every 4 minutes it doesn't work, yes
[10:42:20] <OndraSter_> but I have downloaded AS6 update just fine like 2 hours ago
[10:42:34] <GuShH> every 4 minutes some russian kid hits enter?
[10:42:45] <OndraSter_> my PC is from 3.2? 3.3? or whatever (i5-2500k) to 4.5GHz... at 1.3V approx
[10:43:15] <GuShH> amee2woof: the carb is made by the same company that makes the genset?
[10:44:16] <amee2woof> GuShH: no, the manufacturer apparently bought an existing engine, and the engine manuf only bought the carb from Bing power systems
[10:44:25] <GuShH> >_<
[10:44:32] <OndraSter_> BING!
[10:44:34] <OndraSter_> I heard Bing
[10:44:34] <amee2woof> can't find a trace of the comp that assembled the complete set
[10:44:59] <GuShH> bang!
[10:45:47] <GuShH> amee2woof: maybe it would be possible to adapt another, more common carb
[10:46:04] <megal0maniac> How easy is it to level shift from 3.3 to 5V?
[10:46:15] <GuShH> the chinese are making copies of all major carbs and they seem to work great
[10:46:25] <amee2woof> possibly. would need a custom linkage for the rev limiter then
[10:46:33] <megal0maniac> i.e. what external circuitry could would you need to use 5V io with an ATxmega
[10:46:47] <amee2woof> that genset is really old as fuck and that carb model doesn't seem to be in production anymore
[10:47:04] <megal0maniac> Chinese carb I tell you.
[10:47:20] <GuShH> megal0maniac: they make copies of walbro, zama...
[10:47:21] <amee2woof> i'd rather just get a set of replacement jets and be done with it
[10:47:32] <GuShH> amee2woof: bleh the governor can't be that hard to adapt :p
[10:47:35] <grummund> megal0maniac: level shifter circuit... often only a single transistor.
[10:48:07] <amee2woof> other than that, the carb is in reasonable condition. most of the parts seem to be machined aluminum cast anyway
[10:48:08] <GuShH> I need to tune my set to 50Hz, I think it's running way over, prior to this it used to run at like 20Hz...
[10:48:29] <amee2woof> put the DMM on the output and select frequency?
[10:48:36] <amee2woof> then play with the set screw
[10:48:36] <GuShH> yeh, but under load
[10:48:39] <megal0maniac> grummund: I've seen something which looked fairly simple, but needed VCC for both the high and low voltages. As a reference I suppose. Think it used 2 transistors
[10:48:45] <GuShH> as I did it without load and now it runs faster.
[10:49:01] <megal0maniac> Guess it's simple if you stick with TTL
[10:49:02] <GuShH> the manual choke is a bit stiff, I need a car battery to run the electric choke and starter
[10:49:22] <amee2woof> lol, the set here has a pull starter
[10:49:32] <GuShH> mine does as well.. but it's got electric too
[10:49:35] <GuShH> the choke has a solenoid valve
[10:49:45] <GuShH> I could pull-start but use the electric choke, which is ideal.
[10:50:10] <GuShH> there's a battery charger module on it as well, which is nice. I just hope the AVR on it doesn't die on me.
[10:50:17] <grummund> megal0maniac: it depends if you're talking input or output, and whether it needs drive-high or drive-low or both.
[10:50:23] <GuShH> that is, automatic voltage regulator, for you atmelians.
[10:50:36] <amee2woof> atmelitis
[10:50:51] * GuShH likes atmel, a bit
[10:51:05] <megal0maniac> This is what I was looking at: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/8745
[10:51:28] <megal0maniac> Seems like it would be a bit of a mission if you wanted to use something like SPI
[10:52:29] <GuShH> what's wrong with level shifting ICs that cost less than that nonsense board?
[10:52:55] * megal0maniac wouldn't know
[10:53:03] <grummund> you don't need an IC
[10:53:23] <GuShH> oh the discrete elitist strikes
[10:53:44] <GuShH> depending on your requirements, you would need one.
[10:53:57] <Blecha> ah done with 90% of my work for the day
[10:54:00] <GuShH> specially when dealing with high speed interfaces
[10:54:08] <GuShH> what's the other 10%?
[10:55:49] <Blecha> Standing here and being friendly
[10:55:57] <Blecha> + 1 small load of dishes
[10:56:08] <GuShH> dishwasher?
[10:56:11] <Blecha> yep
[10:56:20] <GuShH> does it have a "energy saving" mode for small loads?
[10:56:22] <Blecha> so pretty much IRC and research before I go home to no internet
[10:56:33] <Blecha> Naw its a big industrial one
[10:56:43] <GuShH> you ain't green enough!
[10:57:01] <megal0maniac> So a small load is a big load, but small relative to your dishwasher?
[10:58:07] <GuShH> throw it away, drive around town for countless hours until you find a suitable "green" replacement, fill out some paperwork, get the new unit, have it shipped, buy some adapters because the old one used a different type of hose, have someone install it, so they'll have to drive to your place. once it's installed, go ahead and use it's green features.
[10:58:15] <GuShH> yes, green is very eco friendly.
[10:58:22] * GuShH walks away cussing
[10:58:31] <grummund> cya! :)
[10:59:07] <Blecha> Its at work
[10:59:15] <Blecha> not home
[10:59:22] <GuShH> Blecha: It's a rant on how "green" is bs.
[10:59:46] <megal0maniac> grummund: Cheers
[10:59:47] <GuShH> as is the "energy star" rating.
[11:00:24] <grummund> megal0maniac: i can lookup some circuits later if you need them but a bit busy right now
[11:00:40] <megal0maniac> Don't worry about it, just curious :)
[11:00:43] <megal0maniac> But thanks
[11:01:16] <Blecha> oh man
[11:01:16] <Blecha> https://tools.usps.com/go/TrackConfirmAction_input?origTrackNum=9400110200829456430482
[11:01:22] <grummund> k
[11:02:06] <megal0maniac> Blecha: What is that?
[11:02:14] <Blecha> My lcd screen :D
[11:02:47] <Blecha> Got my digikey order on monday because they shipped friday, ordered sparkfun at the same time but they didn't ship till monday. So ive been waiting to get going on this project
[11:03:05] <Blecha> now im off on a tagent trying to get accurate time and deciding the best way to do that
[11:03:37] <megal0maniac> Count yourself lucky, man. I have to wait 2 weeks minimum. Or pay $30 for shipping
[11:06:28] <Blecha> I dont order from china
[11:06:31] <Blecha> :P
[11:06:42] <Blecha> spec_ http://webpages.charter.net/ekyle/WWVB.html
[11:06:52] <megal0maniac> 40 days if I order from China. 2 weeks is from the US
[11:06:56] <Blecha> This is a bit dated but seems relavent to what i was thining of doing
[11:07:33] <megal0maniac> So basically a WWVB synchronised clock?
[11:09:26] <Blecha> Yeah
[11:09:33] <Blecha> but I dont want to order more parts
[11:09:44] <Blecha> Im hoping i can recieve the signal with minimal components
[11:10:00] <Blecha> If not I will have to calibrate my 1hz signal
[11:25:32] * megal0maniac is learning avr assembler
[12:07:40] <Blecha> I have my LCD... it is physically smaller than I expected
[12:09:42] <megal0maniac> That's what I thought about my Arduino Uno. And 16x2 lcd
[12:10:18] <megal0maniac> And now, having had some more experience, the Uno looks huge
[12:10:27] <megal0maniac> 16x2 lcd still looks small though :)
[12:11:46] <elektrinis> anyone here use serial over blueatooth?
[12:12:21] <megal0maniac> I'd like to, but haven't
[12:12:30] <megal0maniac> Not with a uC, anyway
[12:13:17] <evck> /join #noisebridge
[12:13:29] <evck> ...wow.
[12:18:30] <elektrinis> strange problem I have
[12:18:55] <elektrinis> when there is a lot of data to send, the BT module hangs after few seconds
[12:19:10] <elektrinis> hangs badly, have to repower it and re-add a device in pc
[12:20:03] <skorket_> does anyone have experience with ordering from goodluckbuy.com?
[12:21:04] <megal0maniac> evck: And then?
[12:22:22] <megal0maniac> elektrinis: Define a lot of data
[12:22:34] <CapnKernel> skorket_: Yes
[12:22:43] <elektrinis> constant stream, no pauses
[12:22:47] <skorket_> how was your experience?
[12:23:16] <elektrinis> well, minimal pause between bytes, just as long as it takes to run an interrupt
[12:23:19] <CapnKernel> Last year I ordered a 4-axis CNC driver board, and a hand controller.
[12:23:34] <CapnKernel> It turned out the hand controller I ordered was for the 3-axis board.
[12:23:40] <CapnKernel> The difference is in the wiring of the cable.
[12:23:58] <CapnKernel> GLB sent me the cable for the 4-axis board, free of charge, even though I ordered the wrong one.
[12:24:10] <skorket_> ah, so that was pretty good of them
[12:24:17] <CapnKernel> I got the free shipping, and it took the standard 2 and a bit weeks to my country.
[12:24:25] <CapnKernel> Yes I was very happy.
[12:25:06] <CapnKernel> (Now I have to add my disclaimer)
[12:25:34] <CapnKernel> I now have a strong personal relationship with the founder of GLB.
[12:25:44] <megal0maniac> CapnKernel: Have you bought from iteadstudio?
[12:25:57] <CapnKernel> Including living at his staff dormitory, and GLB does my shipping for me.
[12:26:13] <CapnKernel> But the story of the free replacement cable predates that relationship.
[12:26:34] <skorket_> ah, so you know the goodluckbuy personally
[12:26:37] <CapnKernel> If you order PCBs from me (as several folks in #avr do), they are shipped by GLB.
[12:26:40] <skorket_> *people
[12:26:50] <CapnKernel> Yes, I go to their office most days.
[12:26:59] <skorket_> they have some really amazing deals
[12:27:36] <CapnKernel> I haven't bought from itead or seeed. I've bought from DX and GLB
[12:27:36] <skorket_> $20 gps, $35 .001 " precision calipers
[12:27:47] <skorket_> itead?
[12:28:00] <megal0maniac> iteadstudio.com
[12:28:07] <megal0maniac> imall.iteadstudio.com
[12:28:34] <RikusW> CapnKernel: do you know of gprs and gps modules that will be < usd $15 for 1000 ?
[12:28:39] <CapnKernel> Good luck ordering PCBs from them: http://dangerousprototypes.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3468
[12:29:12] <CapnKernel> (My PCBs are far better, but then again, I would say that! :-) )
[12:29:34] <megal0maniac> CapnKernel: What do you sell?
[12:29:41] <CapnKernel> RikusW: A compo module, or separate functionality?
[12:29:44] <CapnKernel> PCBs! :-)
[12:30:02] <CapnKernel> You send me your Gerbers, I tell you how much, you say "wow", the boards get made, and I ship them to you.
[12:30:11] <megal0maniac> Hmmm...
[12:30:31] <megal0maniac> What does shipping cost? To South Africa
[12:30:34] <RikusW> CapnKernel: seperate, or < $30 together
[12:30:52] <CapnKernel> Boards in your hand for as little as $19, or alternatively, to you in less than a week from the time you pay.
[12:31:15] <CapnKernel> RikusW: I think I could probably find something very close to that.
[12:31:26] <CapnKernel> Can you find something online that is what you want?
[12:31:29] <megal0maniac> Sorry, kicked myself off accidentally :/
[12:31:50] <megal0maniac> CapnKernel did you reply?
[12:32:04] <CapnKernel> (Some web links to suitable products from other vendors will help, as I can use the specs as a checklist)
[12:32:19] <CapnKernel> megal0maniac: PCBs!
[12:32:27] <CapnKernel> You send me your Gerbers, I tell you how much, you say "wow", the boards get made, and I ship them to you.
[12:32:34] <megal0maniac> After that, about shipping cost :)
[12:32:36] <CapnKernel> Boards in your hand for as little as $19, or alternatively, to you in less than a week from the time you pay.
[12:33:05] <CapnKernel> The $19 includes free worldwide shipping
[12:33:25] <CapnKernel> With a wait of a few weeks.
[12:33:26] <RikusW> CapnKernel: I have a local quote for some modules, just looking for pdf....
[12:33:35] <CapnKernel> RikusW: Perfect.
[12:34:30] <RikusW> CapnKernel: iirc it was a GlobalTop PA6H for $15.50 and SIMCom SIM900 for $15.50
[12:34:37] <RikusW> at 1000
[12:34:43] <CapnKernel> Alright. Got links?
[12:35:10] <CapnKernel> I can't vouch that what I find has regulatory approval for SA.
[12:35:11] <RikusW> www.otto.co.za
[12:35:45] <CapnKernel> (RikusW: We all know you have crap internet. You hoping to gang these up and get a better net connect??? <me ducks, runs>)
[12:36:09] <RikusW> multi link ? :)
[12:36:17] <CapnKernel> :-)
[12:36:18] <RikusW> might help a little
[12:36:24] <megal0maniac> RikusW: Are you the other one from ZA?
[12:36:32] <RikusW> though my pc only have 2 serial ports...
[12:36:51] <RikusW> megal0maniac: yes, but I haven't seen scuzzy for like 2 months
[12:37:15] <CapnKernel> megal0maniac: He's the other regular #avr dude who is from the southern hemisphere and is not Australian :-)
[12:37:33] <megal0maniac> Now there are 3. Hi from cpt :)
[12:37:44] <CapnKernel> ?
[12:37:46] <CapnKernel> :-)
[12:37:54] <megal0maniac> Cape Town (South Africa)
[12:38:07] <RikusW> CapnKernel: low power is important, update speed is not, even once a minute is fine
[12:38:20] <RikusW> megal0maniac: do you know scuzzy ?
[12:38:23] <CapnKernel> I see.
[12:38:45] <megal0maniac> RikusW: No idea who that is. I'm not exactly a regular around here. He based in cpt?
[12:38:46] <RikusW> CapnKernel: the plan is to use it for livestock tracking
[12:38:54] <RikusW> megal0maniac: yes
[12:39:07] <megal0maniac> Well then still no :P
[12:39:14] <CapnKernel> RikusW: There's a lot of SIM900 stuff on that website, can you give me a web link please?
[12:40:07] <RikusW> just a minute
[12:43:45] <RikusW> http://www.otto.co.za/index.php?page=product&p=580&product=miniature-quad-band-gsm-gprs-surface-mount-module
[12:44:14] <megal0maniac> That's really cheap!
[12:44:30] <megal0maniac> What else does this magical place have...
[12:44:43] <RikusW> CapnKernel: I don't care too much which GPRS module I use, as long as it is cheap and low power
[12:44:58] <RikusW> megal0maniac: at 1000 its only R138 ex vat
[12:45:35] <RikusW> CapnKernel: http://www.otto.co.za/index.php?page=product&p=868&product=miniature-gps-module,-smt,-66-channel-with-patch-antenna-and-switching-circuitry-for-external-antenna
[12:45:40] <megal0maniac> I'm a hobbyist. 1 is my favourite qty :) What are shipping charges like? Can't find a page without signing up
[12:46:03] <CapnKernel> megal0maniac: Are you talking to me?
[12:46:10] <RikusW> http://www.otto.co.za/index.php?page=product&p=866&product=miniature-low-cost-gps-module
[12:47:21] <RikusW> CapnKernel: I prefer the PA6H because of the builting antenna, and at 1000 its R130 (usd $1 ~~ R8)
[12:47:40] <RikusW> or $15.50 on the quote they gave me
[12:47:48] <megal0maniac> That was directed at RikusW
[12:48:09] <RikusW> megal0maniac: not ordered anything from them yet
[12:48:15] <elektrinis> are there interrupt priorities on 8bit avrs?
[12:48:17] <CapnKernel> RikusW: ‎I'll see what I can do.
[12:48:39] <CapnKernel> elektrinis: Yes, but they're not configurable. Certain ints just have higher priorities than others.
[12:49:05] <RikusW> megal0maniac: the evaluation kit is about R650 for both of those modules
[12:49:27] <elektrinis> is interrupt number equal to priority?
[12:49:52] <elektrinis> The interrupts have priority in accordance with their Interrupt Vector posi-tion. The lower the Interrupt Vector address, the higher is the priority.
[12:49:53] <elektrinis> ok
[12:50:01] <CapnKernel> From memory it could be opposite, that is, INT0 is the highest. Consult the datasheet
[12:50:58] <RikusW> CapnKernel: There is a company that want to build livestock tracking devices, so they'll want it in high quantities
[12:51:21] <CapnKernel> Interesting.
[12:51:45] <RikusW> Livestock theft is a serious problem here in SA
[12:52:24] <RikusW> Currently the cheapest tracker I've seen is R2500 (~~250E)
[12:53:10] <RikusW> accuracy isn't too much of a concern either, 10 or 20m is ok
[12:54:18] <RikusW> GPRS speed isn't a concern either, so slower GPRS modems would be fine
[12:54:50] <RikusW> power consumtion must be as low as possible
[12:54:58] <RikusW> *consumption
[12:55:58] <CapnKernel> RikusW: You too? http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/1-million-in-wa-livestock-pinched-in-the-dead-of-night-20120815-248gp.html
[12:58:54] <RikusW> CapnKernel: the further you can go below $30 for the gps/gprs combined the better
[12:59:22] <CapnKernel> I'll see what I can do.
[12:59:35] <CapnKernel> General strategy is to find some likely candidates, then send some samples.
[13:01:34] <grummund> elektrinis: avr mega & tiny have fixed priorities according to position in the vector table
[13:03:30] <grummund> but it's not priority as such, only to decide in instances when more than one is due to run.
[13:06:09] <megal0maniac> anyone here have experience with the enc28j60 ethernet module?
[13:06:18] <megal0maniac> (And interfacing it with an AVR)
[13:06:48] <CapnKernel> Lt_Lemming: You there?
[13:09:48] <RikusW> megal0maniac: I bought 2 from RS, still have to use them....
[13:10:09] <elektrinis> m
[13:10:11] <elektrinis> http://lt.farnell.com/agilent-technologies/dsox2002a-dso2wavegen-dsoxdvm/kit-oscilloscope-with-wavegen-dsoxdvm/dp/2084587
[13:10:17] <megal0maniac> RikusW: What did you buy them for?
[13:10:19] <elektrinis> going to buy this
[13:10:28] <RikusW> I plan to use old transformers and connectors from broken motherboards (I have many here)
[13:10:29] <elektrinis> is there a cheaper place to buy?
[13:10:50] <RikusW> megal0maniac: just to toy around a little
[13:11:28] <RikusW> I'm thinking it might be easiest to write CDC ethernet code and let the OS handle TCP/IP etc
[13:11:39] <CapnKernel> RikusW: Fun: http://imagebin.org/224780
[13:11:56] <RikusW> megal0maniac: http://sites.google.com/site/megau2s/home
[13:13:16] <megal0maniac> RikusW: Nice :) Unfortunately bought a Teensy not so long ago.
[13:13:47] <RikusW> megal0maniac: this is not only a programmer, it can be used as a dev kit too
[13:14:36] <megal0maniac> Ooh! HVSP. Didn't see that
[13:14:47] <RikusW> and JTAG too
[13:14:57] <RikusW> kind of like a mini dragon
[13:15:11] <RikusW> and USB -> UART converter too
[13:15:30] <CapnKernel> Plus it makes coffee.
[13:15:37] <RikusW> megal0maniac: for the HV programming you need some extra parts
[13:15:43] <RikusW> CapnKernel: you wish :-P
[13:15:59] <RikusW> CapnKernel: maybe it you reverse vcc and gnd :-D
[13:16:48] <RikusW> megal0maniac: and there is builtin disabling of the DWEN fuse while using ISP
[13:16:59] <specing> elektrinis: directly from agilent maybe?
[13:17:30] <CapnKernel> RikusW: Two more weeks and I get to see my wife. And *she* makes me coffee in the morning. Oh my!
[13:17:51] <RikusW> CapnKernel: so are you in China again ?
[13:18:18] <CapnKernel> Yes, just about to finish my fifth 3-month tour of duty
[13:18:42] <CapnKernel> Oops, fourth.
[13:19:31] <specing> CapnKernel: hard to get citizenship?
[13:19:38] <CapnKernel> RikusW: What's the difference between the GXM-U3 and the PA6H?
[13:19:52] <CapnKernel> specing: What's your question?
[13:19:57] <RikusW> PA6H is a newer version
[13:20:06] <CapnKernel> Ok
[13:20:21] <specing> CapnKernel: Can't you get citizenship?
[13:20:46] <CapnKernel> Of what country?
[13:20:56] <RikusW> CapnKernel: err confused it with the GMS-U1LP...
[13:21:45] <RikusW> the GXM-U3 is a small module, without builtin antenna, its already at a discount price so no quantity discounts
[13:22:09] <CapnKernel> What is most in line with what you want?
[13:22:27] <specing> CapnKernel: China, ofc
[13:22:34] <CapnKernel> Why would I want that?
[13:22:53] <specing> I don't know
[13:22:57] <CapnKernel> The vast majority of Chinese people would give their eye teeth to give up their Chinese citizenship
[13:23:10] <specing> ouch ;P
[13:24:02] <CapnKernel> The corruption and bureaucracy here is insane. There are so many aspects of daily life that are just whacked.
[13:24:09] <RikusW> CapnKernel: builtin antennas is preferable, if not the antennas has to be added to the total cost
[13:24:30] <RikusW> CapnKernel: sounds like SA then....
[13:25:26] <CapnKernel> I'm very very happy being an Australian, and all my Chinese friends tell me they envy me.
[13:36:49] <blecha> Today wa all nice and chill, then my girlfriend calls all pissed(she is on the rag) about the internet not being turned on. We just paid $120 to AT&T to get our internet back, but they arn't turning it back on until we "pre-pay" $100.
[13:37:21] <blecha> I dont even know if its towards our next bill or if they are just saying fuck you pay us more
[13:38:19] <CapnKernel> blecha: Dude, we really needed to know that. Channel check?
[13:42:11] <blecha> CapnKernal yes
[13:42:21] <blecha> This is myspace isn't it?
[14:00:46] <OndraSter> and all three xboads live and work!
[14:00:55] <OndraSter> now I should do extended test :D
[14:01:04] <OndraSter> for all the GPIOs
[14:01:05] <OndraSter> not just two
[14:01:15] <OndraSter> (plus JTAG and power)
[14:07:28] <megal0maniac> OndraSter: And theeeen...
[14:07:58] <OndraSter> :D
[14:28:03] <megal0maniac> Well, you should know the rest by now. I've said enough :P
[14:28:05] <megal0maniac> Good night all
[14:28:34] <blecha> Cool, my girlfriend just paid $320 for internet that won't get activated until the 21st
[14:28:52] <blecha> even though we already have all our hardware and cabling in place
[14:30:27] <elektrinis> why would anyone pay $320 for internet
[14:30:58] <elektrinis> I pay $15/month for 80 Mbps
[14:31:26] * elektrinis in torrent heaven
[14:32:21] * RikusW envies elektrinis
[14:32:45] <RikusW> elektrinis: which country is that ?
[14:32:56] <elektrinis> lithuania
[14:33:01] <elektrinis> you probably never heard of it
[14:33:20] <elektrinis> optics directly to PC :)
[14:33:44] <RikusW> elektrinis: actually I have, its close to the Netherlands right ?
[14:34:26] <elektrinis> like a 1000 km close
[14:34:42] <RikusW> eastern europe then ?
[14:34:52] <elektrinis> yes
[14:36:45] <Posterdati> hi
[14:37:00] <Posterdati> is there anyone using freeRTOS on 2560?
[14:39:28] <blecha> elektrinis we were behind by a couple months + $100 advanced payment because we were late that goes towards next months bill
[14:39:37] <blecha> er $220
[14:39:43] <blecha> not $320
[14:40:15] <elektrinis> $60/month?
[14:45:45] <specing> blechanet
[14:53:17] <OndraSter> that was embarassing
[14:53:25] <OndraSter> I desoldered xmega two times before I found out the short
[14:53:29] <OndraSter> it was the holding clips I used
[14:53:33] <OndraSter> ..
[14:53:36] <OndraSter> not the board itself
[14:53:38] <OndraSter> poor xmega!
[14:53:40] <OndraSter> so much heat
[14:55:00] <blecha> electrinis yeah
[14:55:52] <RikusW> http://bitlash.net/wiki/start
[14:58:40] <OndraSter> why are usb cables so expensive on mouser and everywhere else?
[14:58:47] <OndraSter> damnit it is just 5 pieces of wire + two connectors
[14:59:10] <OndraSter> http://cz.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Molex/68784-0002/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMt4a%252bVKO2jOreGjYFU1jUfaQzMyhekKLkQ%3d
[14:59:12] <OndraSter> IS IT MADE OF GOLD
[15:00:28] <RikusW> I got my 1.2M AB cables for like $2 each
[15:00:50] <OndraSter> china can make it for less than a buck shipped!
[15:00:56] <OndraSter> $2 is A LOT
[15:01:15] <RikusW> And there is some gold on the contacts (or there is supposed to be)
[15:01:16] <OndraSter> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Micro-USB-2-0-Male-A-to-Data-Charger-Cable-for-Android-HTC-Desire-7-G22-G21-M827-/150859838973?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item231ff275fd
[15:01:17] <OndraSter> srsly
[15:01:30] <RikusW> how much is that one ?
[15:01:34] <OndraSter> $.99
[15:01:50] <OndraSter> can't be cheaper than that on ebay for buy now
[15:02:10] <RikusW> and you think thats expensive ?
[15:02:17] <OndraSter> $.99
[15:02:19] <OndraSter> notice the .
[15:02:21] <OndraSter> aka $0.99
[15:02:29] <RikusW> I did
[15:02:35] <OndraSter> $.99 is cheaper than $2
[15:02:37] <OndraSter> by half!
[15:02:49] <RikusW> there is computer shops over here selling usb cables for like $10 or $20
[15:02:55] <RikusW> thats a RIPOFF
[15:02:58] <OndraSter> lol
[15:03:03] <OndraSter> they sell here 1m for $2 or so as well
[15:04:02] <OndraSter> plus it is in many colours!
[15:04:03] <RikusW> mmh actually I paid $1
[15:04:17] <OndraSter> yellow, black, purple, orange, pink
[15:04:19] <OndraSter> and many more
[15:04:20] <RikusW> for translucent brown cables
[15:05:00] <RikusW> it was ZAR9.00 which is roughly $1
[15:05:17] <OndraSter> :)
[15:05:19] <OndraSter> I should grab some
[15:05:21] <OndraSter> from ebay
[15:05:33] <OndraSter> the last miniUSB one I got with USB Blaster is really nice
[15:05:43] <RikusW> I bought mine from mantech.co.za
[15:05:50] <OndraSter> compared to microUSB which I grabbed long time ago... too much plastic, but these are made from one piece of rubber rather plastic
[15:07:59] <spec_> Anyone here using avr-gcc? I keep getting "Error: garbage at end of line" from the assembler.
[15:08:15] <spec_> When using hi8() and lo8()
[15:09:12] <RikusW> maybe there is a HI and LO or HIGH / LOW macro ?
[15:09:42] <RikusW> avr-gcc is not my favorite compiler....
[15:10:23] <spec_> It's rapidly losing favor over here as well.
[15:14:00] <spec_> Is there a work around?
[15:14:37] <Landon> heh
[15:14:44] <Landon> my coworkers amuse me
[15:14:52] <spec_> I don't think hi8() and lo8() are macros. They're modifiers built into the assembler.
[15:14:58] <RikusW> hi8 takes the high 8 bits of a 16bit variable
[15:14:59] <Landon> "It's like he wrote C++ as C! Typedef struct and all that weird stuff"
[15:15:50] <RikusW> spec_: I did some code like hi8 and lo8, it compiles on AS4
[15:17:03] <RikusW> spec_: are you compiling inline asm in C or plain asm ?
[15:18:17] <elektrinis> um, help. I get an error:
[15:18:28] <elektrinis> Error 4 expected expression before ']' token
[15:18:38] <elektrinis> http://pastebin.com/8fBPPyec
[15:20:49] <elektrinis> and I get:
[15:20:54] <elektrinis> Error 4 expected expression before '{' token
[15:20:59] <elektrinis> if I remove [][]
[15:21:57] <RikusW> try -> [3][2]
[15:22:05] <elektrinis> does not help
[15:22:19] <elektrinis> same error with {
[15:22:33] <RikusW> char pscValueSets[][] =
[15:23:13] <spec_> RikusW: Plain assembly.
[15:24:49] <RikusW> spec_: are you trying to compile my jtag clone ? :-P
[15:25:15] <spec_> One of the lines that generates this error is: "lds BufEndL, lo8(bufferEnd)", where BufEndL is a label for a register, and BufferEnd has been tried as an int and an unsigned int.
[15:25:45] <RikusW> there should be HIGH/LOW macros that does work
[15:26:01] <spec_> RikusW: lol, no. Just an ISR I wrote.
[15:26:40] <RikusW> strange, I used #defines for hi8 lo8 ;)
[15:27:00] <RikusW> guess people think alike..
[15:27:22] <elektrinis> damn, ho cant this work
[15:27:28] <spec_> HIGH()/LOW() = no go. Same error
[15:27:54] <RikusW> it does work in AS4 asm
[15:28:15] <RikusW> #define lo8(x) (x & 0xFF)
[15:28:16] <RikusW> #define hi8(x) ((x >> 8) & 0xFF)
[15:28:30] <spec_> Using GNU assembler version 2.20.1 (avr)
[15:28:39] <spec_> Ok, let's give that a try
[15:28:39] <RikusW> AS4 asm supports C style #defines
[15:29:28] <RikusW> afaik gnu asm use at&t style asm
[15:29:36] * RikusW feels nauseous....
[15:29:55] <spec_> I don't really have the time to re-tune my code to cope with a different tool chain.
[15:29:59] <RikusW> intel style asm ftw
[15:30:30] <RikusW> ldi 34,%%r1 YUCK
[15:30:40] <spec_> AVR Studio and AVR-GCC have more than enough differences to make switching non-trivial.
[15:31:04] <RikusW> AS use avr-gcc
[15:31:16] <RikusW> but AS comes with its own assembler too
[15:33:54] <elektrinis> http://pastebin.com/Hey0VPfX
[15:34:19] <elektrinis> Error 4 expected expression before ']' token
[15:34:25] <elektrinis> THE HELL
[15:34:46] <elektrinis> im getting angry
[15:36:59] <spec_> Those defines seemed to do the trick.
[15:37:09] <spec_> Thanks!
[15:38:22] <RikusW> :)
[15:39:46] <RikusW> elektrinis: you need to move the init outside of the if
[15:40:02] <elektrinis> :(
[15:40:12] <RikusW> afaik you can't do it that way
[15:40:30] <elektrinis> I think that I initialize it before if
[15:40:40] <elektrinis> I set the size
[15:40:57] <RikusW> if you remove both [][] does gcc still complain ?
[15:41:04] <elektrinis> yes
[15:41:19] <elektrinis> the messahe changes from ] to {
[15:41:20] <elektrinis> :)
[15:41:47] <RikusW> thats a C problem not an AVR problem ;)
[15:42:27] <RikusW> actually I never tried doing what you're trying...
[15:42:42] <elektrinis> ok, I see
[15:49:12] <spec_> Why does the AVR datasheet show writing TCNT1H (0x85) using the OUT instruction, when the instruction set says OUT can only address 0 ≤ A ≤ 63??
[15:50:08] <specing> TCNT1H is as 0x85?
[15:50:13] <specing> at*
[15:50:14] <spec_> Using out _SFR_IO_ADDR(OCR1AH) generates the error "number must be positive and less than 64"
[15:50:25] <specing> yup, you cannot use out
[15:50:33] <nomis> hi all. I am trying to use a variable defined in a C file from within a ASM file. Since the variable is an array I use ld ..., Y+ to access the data. How do I get the address of the variable? This one does not compile: http://pastebin.com/vcJxusAy
[15:50:58] <spec_> According to the 168/328 datasheet it is
[15:51:26] <spec_> F'ers!!! Why do they put it in the damn datasheet!??
[15:52:25] <spec_> STS looks like the likely replacement, yes?
[15:53:21] <OndraSter> yes
[15:59:25] <spec_> Thanks for all the help. BBL
[16:33:14] <OndraSter> damnit, how do I reconfigure LUFA to built for atxmega256a3U?
[16:33:22] <OndraSter> it tells me always "blabla not supported only for asm"
[16:33:23] <OndraSter> WTF
[16:33:27] <OndraSter> that doesn't even make any sense
[16:33:35] <OndraSter> BootloaderHID.c:1: error: MCU 'atxmega256a3u' supported for assembler only
[16:33:47] <OndraSter> that*
[16:34:17] <OndraSter> I want to just test out the USB capability :)
[16:45:33] <Amadiro> OndraSter, I don't have the device, but from the LUFA docs: "The XMEGA device support is currently experimental (incomplete and/or non-functional), and is included for preview purposes only."
[16:45:45] <specing> heh
[16:45:46] <OndraSter> huhm
[16:45:52] <OndraSter> I thought he had them working already
[16:45:53] <OndraSter> in stable :)
[16:46:03] <Amadiro> Possible, the docs could be outdated.
[16:46:05] <OndraSter> I need *anything* to tell me that the USB works!
[16:47:36] <drgreenthumb> The USB works. You're welcome :P
[16:48:06] <drgreenthumb> I lie I actually don't know about XMEGA
[16:49:02] <Amadiro> I have a friend who did an extensive project with some xmega chip, I can ask him when I see him around... but I don't know if he used USB...
[16:49:17] <OndraSter> :)
[16:49:22] <OndraSter> I need just to test out the USB port functionality really
[16:49:26] <OndraSter> whether I soldered the connector okay
[16:50:08] <drgreenthumb> doesn't it have a DFU bootloader on there like the other USB chips?
[16:50:38] <OndraSter> nope
[16:50:51] <OndraSter> dumped whole 264kB flash - nothing inside but FFs
[16:50:57] <OndraSter> if anybody needs ones - I have plenty of them!
[16:51:42] <drgreenthumb> huh "The
[16:51:42] <drgreenthumb> XMEGA with USB interface devices can be factory configured or reprogrammed with
[16:51:42] <drgreenthumb> a USB boot loader located in the on-chip flash boot section of the controller." from doc8429.pdf
[16:51:56] <drgreenthumb> but that means that sometimes .. it's not?! :o
[16:53:04] <drgreenthumb> I'd be shocked if it weren't there. can you flash it on?
[16:53:27] <Amadiro> surely, why not
[16:53:42] <drgreenthumb> well yeah, I'm really just suggesting doing it :P
[16:54:17] <Amadiro> I guess you have to explicitly ask them to flash it on or something, might be an optional step in their manufacturing process
[16:54:17] <drgreenthumb> or flash the LUFA ISP test project or something
[16:54:27] <drgreenthumb> or heck just a test mouse
[16:54:30] <OndraSter> these were I think from Atmel themselves
[16:54:39] <OndraSter> not sure about those from Mouser
[16:55:07] <Amadiro> drgreenthumb, well, the LUFA one might not work if LUFA doesn't properly support xmega, but AVRs bootloader should definitely work, so I'd rather use that
[16:55:16] <drgreenthumb> true
[16:55:27] <drgreenthumb> the mouse demo would be a hint if LUFA worked though :)
[17:00:50] <OndraSter> hmm can't find any demo that would support xmegas
[17:00:50] <OndraSter> :(
[17:01:44] <drgreenthumb> well, there's your answer. and we din't even need abcminiuser :P
[17:02:03] <OndraSter> damnit
[17:02:12] <OndraSter> and there is no USB demo for 256a3u in ASF either
[17:03:50] <OndraSter> hah
[17:03:57] <OndraSter> demo for a1u switched for a3u compiled
[17:03:58] <OndraSter> cool
[17:05:04] <drgreenthumb> well that makes sense. the a1 doesn't have USB :P
[17:05:20] <OndraSter> worksss
[17:05:27] <OndraSter> it added new keyboard
[17:05:30] <OndraSter> in device manager
[17:05:34] <drgreenthumb> yay
[17:06:49] <OndraSter> and VID fits atmels
[17:10:19] <OndraSter> also
[17:10:20] <OndraSter> http://www.atmel.com/devices/ATTINY828.aspx?elqTrack=true&utm_campaign=August%205&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Eloqua
[17:10:29] <OndraSter> 28 GPIO pins
[17:10:37] <OndraSter> each of them contains ADC channel :)
[17:10:41] <OndraSter> aka you can have 28 analog sources
[17:10:57] <OndraSter> quite neat
[17:11:39] <OndraSter> yaay
[17:11:41] <OndraSter> there is USB DFU
[17:11:46] <OndraSter> but only on atmel's website
[17:11:48] <OndraSter> I KNEW I saw one
[17:12:33] <drgreenthumb> well yeah, I just mentioned doc 8429 which pretty clearly says there is one :P
[17:12:45] <drgreenthumb> I'm surprised it wasn't on there already
[17:16:28] <OndraSter> crap, the atmel flip requires java
[17:16:33] <OndraSter> I ain't installing that on my computer
[17:17:10] <grummund> there is a dos version i believe
[17:17:12] <OndraSter> let's boot into vmware
[17:17:13] <OndraSter> dos
[17:17:15] <OndraSter> with usb
[17:17:24] <OndraSter> I am booting vmware as we speak
[17:27:15] <Tom_itx> CapnKernel
[18:22:17] <OndraSter> Tom_itx, you around?
[18:28:06] <Tom_itx> depends
[18:28:31] <OndraSter> okay
[18:28:39] <OndraSter> Tom_itx, which way do you connect those ESD?
[18:28:40] <OndraSter> on USB
[18:28:49] <OndraSter> DMM can't make heads or tails from either way
[18:28:54] <OndraSter> or are they "any directional"?
[18:28:55] <Tom_itx> either way
[18:28:59] <OndraSter> I KNEW IT!
[18:29:00] <OndraSter> ha
[18:29:01] <OndraSter> thanks
[18:29:02] <Tom_itx> the ones i had?
[18:29:05] <OndraSter> yes
[18:29:06] <OndraSter> PESD-0603
[18:29:07] <Tom_itx> yeah
[18:29:09] <OndraSter> from TE I think
[18:29:19] <Tom_itx> they are polarized like a resistor
[18:30:24] <OndraSter> have you seen my blinkey? :D
[18:30:25] <OndraSter> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwhEUHvmGSw
[18:30:33] <w|zzy> lol
[18:31:36] <Tom_itx> i had to play it 3 or 4 times to get the full effect
[18:32:01] <Tom_itx> what board is that?
[18:32:09] <w|zzy> I was lol'ing at your "polarized like a resistor"
[18:32:09] <Tom_itx> what chip
[18:32:14] <Tom_itx> :)
[18:32:21] <Tom_itx> gotta keep ppl thinking
[18:32:29] <OndraSter> Tom_itx, it is XBoard coco... with xmega256a3u
[18:32:33] <OndraSter> really powerful for blinkey
[18:33:08] <w|zzy> http://myxboard.net/
[18:33:14] <OndraSter> aye
[18:33:19] <OndraSter> only something works there
[18:34:31] <w|zzy> 5v intolerant :P
[18:35:25] <w|zzy> wow.. 16mb of ram on the ultra
[18:35:36] <OndraSter> yep
[18:35:38] <Tom_itx> what's with the cat dog logos?
[18:35:49] <OndraSter> I enjoy adding pictures to stuff
[18:36:29] <Amadiro> OndraSter, those look pretty nice
[18:36:44] <grummund> how is it different to (all the) other xmega boards?
[18:36:45] <Tom_itx> yeah
[18:36:55] <Tom_itx> they're his ?
[18:37:27] <OndraSter> no, they are mine
[18:37:29] <OndraSter> ALL OF THEM!
[18:37:30] <OndraSter> mwhahaha
[18:37:34] <OndraSter> grummund, which ones?
[18:37:53] <OndraSter> but I am pretty sure that price is much better on my side
[18:37:59] <w|zzy> http://myxboard.net/compare.html
[18:38:01] <OndraSter> another 256a3u board is 10€ more than me
[18:38:12] <OndraSter> (I forgot from whom)
[18:38:18] <grummund> https://www.google.com/search?q=xmega+board
[18:38:40] <Amadiro> OndraSter, where do you manufacture the pcbs?
[18:38:49] <OndraSter> it was made locally
[18:39:36] * grummund was looking at this one earlier - https://www.ledato.de/shop_content.php?coID=16
[18:40:15] <Amadiro> OndraSter, cool. Drop me a message when you sell them, I'll probably get some for our laboratory. Assuming they can be programmed using avrdude or so.
[18:40:30] <OndraSter> USB bootloader
[18:40:48] <Amadiro> OndraSter, so you need custom software?
[18:40:58] <OndraSter> Atmel's FLIP
[18:41:10] <OndraSter> or my own, yes
[18:41:40] <Tom_itx> OndraSter are those usb enabled?
[18:41:45] <OndraSter> grummund, 47€, it has got RS485/232 transceivers... mine is breadboardable, 256kB flash + 16kB RAM, half the price
[18:41:46] <Tom_itx> that would be one difference
[18:41:47] <OndraSter> Tom_itx, yes
[18:41:54] <Tom_itx> the A1 isn't that i know of
[18:41:58] <OndraSter> a1u is :)
[18:42:05] <OndraSter> but I couldn't find single piece offers anywhere
[18:42:09] <OndraSter> I got samples from Atmel for those though
[18:42:14] <OndraSter> that is the XBoard Ultra
[18:42:14] <Tom_itx> i was referring to grummund's link
[18:42:14] <Amadiro> OndraSter, well, FLIP only runs on windows (and requires java), so that's a no-go...
[18:42:15] <OndraSter> will be*
[18:42:19] <OndraSter> Amadiro, linux as well
[18:42:40] <OndraSter> I suppose I could add serial bootloader as well...
[18:42:42] <Amadiro> OndraSter, ah.. but only x86...
[18:42:46] <OndraSter> wait
[18:42:49] <OndraSter> what are you trying to run it on?
[18:43:01] <OndraSter> Atmel's DFU protocol is "opensource"
[18:43:04] <OndraSter> you can write your own :D
[18:43:09] <Amadiro> OndraSter, we're a linux shop with some odd mac systems here and there, mostly running on 64 bit systems
[18:43:18] <OndraSter> 64bit linux can run 32bit apps
[18:43:28] <OndraSter> no MAC version though
[18:43:39] <Amadiro> OndraSter, only if you install a gigabyte of libraries or so, and our sysadmins are pretty anal about installing things in general...
[18:43:51] <OndraSter> if avrdude can work with avrisp mkii it could work via PDI
[18:43:56] <Amadiro> So I'd prefer to just use avrdude or use spi using a programmer or whatever
[18:44:04] <OndraSter> there is no SPI programmer on xmegas
[18:44:07] <OndraSter> only JTAG and PDI
[18:44:09] <Amadiro> ah
[18:44:14] <OndraSter> or bootloaders of some kind
[18:44:29] <Amadiro> I think we have a JTAGICE (?) programmer or so
[18:44:41] <OndraSter> won't work
[18:44:45] <OndraSter> too old :
[18:44:48] <OndraSter> doesn't support new chips
[18:44:53] <OndraSter> supports like 5 atmegas
[18:44:56] <Amadiro> too bad
[18:45:16] <w|zzy> atmels flip needs 32bit jre
[18:45:28] <grummund> JTAGICE does support xmega
[18:45:30] <w|zzy> run dfu-programmer on linux.. Or if your device is unsupported.. Support it
[18:45:44] <Amadiro> That's silly, isn't the whole point of java so that you don't have to care about the architecture...?
[18:45:51] <OndraSter> it should
[18:45:57] <OndraSter> this uses libusb0.dll for sure though
[18:46:03] <OndraSter> so it is not OS independent
[18:46:11] <OndraSter> grummund, original JTAGICE?
[18:46:12] <Amadiro> yeah, probably
[18:46:27] <OndraSter> original JTAGICE supports like 5 devices in its original mega168 form
[18:46:28] <grummund> original, i dunno...
[18:46:34] <grummund> never seen one.
[18:47:12] <Amadiro> OndraSter, well, if there's any solution that makes you able to program them using avrdude or somesuch (i.e. software we already have), that'll work
[18:47:18] <grummund> JTAGICE mkII works fine for both JTAG and PDI
[18:47:25] <OndraSter> mkii does
[18:47:29] <OndraSter> but jtagice doesn't
[18:47:32] <OndraSter> jtagice = serial port
[18:47:40] <OndraSter> no USB (unless using USB-serial converters)
[18:47:53] <grummund> JTAGICE mkII is usb + serial
[18:48:09] <OndraSter> never had jtagice mkii
[18:48:12] <OndraSter> only jtagice
[18:48:15] <OndraSter> from china
[18:48:16] <OndraSter> :D
[18:48:19] <OndraSter> and now I have Dragon
[18:48:26] <OndraSter> Amadiro, or do you have a Dragon?
[18:48:45] <grummund> from china? you probably had a clone then...
[18:48:47] <OndraSter> or avrisp mkii
[18:48:50] <OndraSter> grummund, yes, it was clone
[18:48:56] <OndraSter> because it was with USB-serial onboard
[18:48:59] <OndraSter> but it was piece of junk
[18:49:14] <grummund> yep. the clones won't do xmega
[18:49:34] <OndraSter> even the original without unofficial firmwares doesn't do anything beyond mega128a and such old pieces
[18:49:46] <grummund> if Amadiro has the Atmel JTAGICE it should work
[18:50:35] <OndraSter> hmm
[18:50:36] <OndraSter> I'd be surprised
[18:50:40] <OndraSter> it had 8 or 16kB chip
[18:50:50] <grummund> mkII i meant
[18:50:50] <OndraSter> and if you check atmel studio 6 release notes
[18:50:52] <OndraSter> oh
[18:50:55] <OndraSter> then yes
[18:51:00] <OndraSter> you must not forget about the mkII!
[18:51:04] <OndraSter> it is important
[18:51:12] <OndraSter> just as avrisp (mkII)
[18:51:29] <grummund> nobody uses mkI
[18:51:55] <OndraSter> you'd be surprised
[18:52:02] <OndraSter> many people fall into that trap
[18:52:23] <grummund> what trap?
[18:53:47] <OndraSter> jtagice vs jtagice mkii
[18:53:52] <OndraSter> mostly when jtagice clones are about $10
[18:54:02] <grummund> not talking about clones
[18:54:09] <OndraSter> hmm
[18:54:17] <OndraSter> well then it is easier and cheaper to buy jtagice3
[18:54:21] <OndraSter> it costs $199
[18:54:24] <OndraSter> mkII does $299
[18:54:41] <grummund> OndraSter: wait up and think just about it...
[18:54:50] <OndraSter> why?
[18:54:55] <OndraSter> newer is cheaper
[18:54:59] <OndraSter> but it supports less chips
[18:55:05] <OndraSter> the older ones do not work anymore
[18:55:15] <grummund> Amadiro said he already *has* the JTAGICE, why would he want to buy another?
[18:55:25] <OndraSter> he said he has the JTAGICE
[18:55:27] <OndraSter> not JTAGICE mkII
[18:55:30] <OndraSter> you started talking about mkII
[18:55:34] <OndraSter> so I continued with JTAGICE3
[18:55:35] <grummund> i'll bet it is
[18:56:42] <Amadiro> I don't know which one we have, I'll have to check tomorrow.
[18:56:51] <grummund> what does it look like?
[18:57:13] <Amadiro> grummund, sorry, don't know, I haven't actually used it yet -- I just saw it on our inventory list.
[18:57:21] <Amadiro> fairly recent purchase, though
[18:57:37] <OndraSter> hmm you are from norway? Why not just ask kindly Atmel themselves? :D
[18:57:49] <OndraSter> they surely must support local people
[18:58:25] <OndraSter> hell, even here Microsoft supports schools and they even gave me "because I talked about arduino and AVR and embedded development" while grabbing beer with one MS's programmer Netduino Plus
[18:58:27] <OndraSter> well, borrowed
[18:58:28] <Amadiro> OndraSter, heh.. not sure if they still have an office here
[18:58:31] <OndraSter> for indifinetely
[18:58:54] <OndraSter> Norway.. isn't that where the main HQ is?
[18:58:58] <OndraSter> where abcminiuser has gone?
[18:59:04] <Tom_itx> ja
[18:59:15] <Amadiro> OndraSter, I thought the wikipedia page said it's somewhere in the US, lemme check...
[18:59:37] <Amadiro> "Headquarters San Jose, California, USA"
[19:00:08] <OndraSter> hmm
[19:00:18] <OndraSter> okay, in Norway they have only "secondary" HQ
[19:00:48] <Amadiro> trondheim, though, quite some way away from oslo :)
[19:01:15] <OndraSter> I much prefer Trollhatan in Sweden (because of the name) though
[19:02:27] <Amadiro> We probably have a bunch of cities here with "troll" in the name as well, it's a popular motif as you probably can imagine...
[19:03:22] <OndraSter> hehe
[19:05:18] <grummund> OndraSter: how much is your xmega dip board?
[19:05:29] <OndraSter> http://myxboard.net/compare.html
[19:06:18] <grummund> yours is the coco right?
[19:06:20] <OndraSter> yes
[19:06:28] <OndraSter> Ultra won't be DIPpable into breadboard anymore (unless you want to use two breadboards next to each other lol)
[19:07:00] <grummund> https://www.ledato.de/index.php?cat=c8_xmega.Dip.html
[19:07:12] <grummund> not listed in that table
[19:07:45] <OndraSter> because it is new
[19:07:47] <OndraSter> well
[19:07:48] <OndraSter> "new"
[19:07:54] <OndraSter> I haven't heard of it till now
[19:08:09] <grummund> yeah... just saying.
[19:08:09] <OndraSter> and I can not add there *every* board can I
[19:08:29] <OndraSter> plus I want to make it more arduino-like in the future
[19:09:33] <Amadiro> OndraSter, btw, it's "stumbled", not "stambled" and your email address under "info" is just a bunch of question-marks.
[19:09:40] <OndraSter> I know
[19:09:47] <OndraSter> where did I write stambled? o_O
[19:09:51] <OndraSter> I don't remember writing it :D
[19:10:03] <Amadiro> frontpage
[19:10:32] <Amadiro> And when I click "reference" I get a 404
[19:10:36] <OndraSter> I know
[19:10:42] <OndraSter> the website is very much in progress
[19:10:46] <Amadiro> Mhkay
[23:46:32] <spec_> Damn it gets quiet at night.