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[00:02:47] <SuperMiguel> timer1 = timer2?
[00:02:50] <SuperMiguel> same time?
[00:33:23] <theBear> almost half past one
[01:46:11] <iR0b0t1> Almost all AVRs have clamping diodes on the inputs. Does this mean with a series resistor of sufficiently high value you could use a comparator to detect voltage above Vcc?
[01:54:40] <theBear> oh, he's here too eh ?
[01:54:54] <theBear> .op
[01:54:57] <theBear> !op
[01:54:58] <tobbor> Authorization failed!
[01:55:05] <theBear> oh tobbor :(
[02:32:28] <CapnKernel> iR0b0t1: yes
[02:33:30] <CapnKernel> Better to use two resistors as a voltage divider
[02:36:17] <iR0b0t1> CapnKernel: Okay, thank you
[02:42:40] <CapnKernel> SuperMiguel: And don't come back, ya loony!
[03:02:02] <iR0b0t1> agile_aardvark: Are you adventurous?
[03:02:11] <iR0b0t1> And adventurous agile aardvark?
[03:02:29] <iR0b0t1> Perhaps astute in your reasoning?
[03:02:42] <iR0b0t1> astute adventurous agile aardvark?
[03:02:43] <iR0b0t1> Hmmm?
[03:04:27] <iR0b0t1> SuperMiguel: Please /part this channel.
[03:04:30] <iR0b0t1> gah
[03:04:31] <iR0b0t1> I missed
[03:05:14] <mrfrenzy> who owns the channel anyways?
[03:05:26] <mrfrenzy> you could always /ignore SuperMiguel
[03:05:28] <theBear> heh, good question
[03:05:31] <theBear> tom maybe
[03:05:38] <iR0b0t1> I like to keep my ignore list clean.
[03:05:41] <iR0b0t1> If I add a name to it
[03:05:43] <iR0b0t1> I feel tainted.
[03:05:45] <theBear> i'm not worried, i only noticed 'cos i was asked to fix it in the other channel
[03:05:49] <iR0b0t1> Like being raped, but worse, because it was my choice.
[03:06:03] <theBear> iR0b0t1, heh, me too, and god forbid the worry of possibly forgetting there's something in the list
[03:06:23] <theBear> err, if you get raped by choice, isn't that regular sex ? <grin>
[03:06:24] <mrfrenzy> you guys have interesting priorities ;)
[03:06:49] <mrfrenzy> the point of an ignore list is adding someone to it then forgetting they ever existed
[03:06:57] <mrfrenzy> hence I never look at my list, or remember what's on it
[03:07:03] <theBear> yeah, but we don't feel that way about miguel
[03:07:06] <iR0b0t1> theBear: I have some... not so fond memories.
[03:07:08] <theBear> he's got a cool spanish name and all
[03:07:18] <theBear> iR0b0t1, heh
[03:07:19] <mrfrenzy> aha, if you like him it's different
[03:07:20] <CapnKernel> mrfrenzy forgets his forget list...
[03:07:32] <theBear> i don't like him, not sure i even know him, but i don't dislike him
[03:11:16] <CapnKernel> Is there a doctor in the house?
[04:27:21] * specing proudly hammered superMiguel from ##pic :)
[04:30:47] <theBear> meh, that's a reward not a punishment <biggrin>
[04:48:00] <electronics-cat> Hi i would like to say I'm new here I was invited by my best friend GuShH, he also sold me an Arduino
[04:48:15] <GuShH> electronics-cat: dick
[04:48:16] <theBear> yer best friend eh ?
[04:48:20] <electronics-cat> HAHA
[04:48:39] <GuShH> I've never touched an arduino in my life.
[04:49:00] <electronics-cat> whats that guys problem
[04:49:55] <electronics-cat> doesn't know if he's coming or leaving
[05:04:39] * electronics-cat puts a grenade under SuperMiguel
[05:05:17] <iR0b0t1> I seriously wonder wtf is up with this guy.
[05:06:58] <Steffanx> iR0b0t1 just ignore it..
[05:07:09] <Steffanx> or Tom_itx should ban for a while :P
[05:07:29] <iR0b0t1> I accidentally did the same thing a while back and got banned.
[05:07:55] <iR0b0t1> And, actually, I would say that is the more preferred course of action; all that is happening is SuperMiguel has a malfunctioning connection.
[05:08:07] <iR0b0t1> I feel ignoring him might stunt any further conversation we might have.
[05:08:20] <CapnKernel> iR0b0t1: You really think the dude is sitting there clicking "join" / "part" / "join" / "part" and snickering softly?
[05:08:29] <Steffanx> Who knows
[05:08:33] <iR0b0t1> Well I mean it is an option.
[05:08:59] <mrfrenzy> ofcourse there should be a short ban until he gets backs and fixes his problem
[05:09:06] <iR0b0t1> I shall not ignore thee for events beyond thy control, SuperMiguel. But perchance you should be banned until the problem is solved.
[05:09:08] <CapnKernel> Could also be aliens.
[05:09:13] <mrfrenzy> unfortunately there doesn't seem to be much timezone diversity among operators here
[05:09:39] <iR0b0t1> I vote CapnKernel for ops. May my vote be tallied.
[05:09:46] <Steffanx> No, just cosmic interference CapnKernel
[05:10:07] <CapnKernel> SuperMiguel waves
[05:10:21] <CapnKernel> "Oh, does he?"
[05:10:32] <Steffanx> CapnKernel is from the otherside of the globe, we need someone from europe too :P
[05:10:56] <CapnKernel> When I'm not from the other side of the globe, I'm... also from the other side of the globe!
[05:11:13] <Steffanx> Whatever
[05:11:32] <specing> Heh
[05:12:03] * CapnKernel is 7,000 km from home, but only two timezones
[05:12:13] <CapnKernel> What, copycat?
[05:16:59] <electronics-cat> hi charlie
[05:17:30] <CapnKernel> !seen rue_mohr
[05:17:30] <tobbor> rue_mohr is here
[05:17:39] <CapnKernel> rue_mohr: There?
[05:19:25] <Steffanx> TIME Fri Jun 8 03:09:49 .. probably not :P
[05:20:57] <CapnKernel> Tom_L: There?
[05:21:08] <CapnKernel> LoRez: There?
[05:22:11] <CapnKernel> We've been SuperMiguel-less for 7 minutes now.
[05:26:39] <electronics-cat> ah hes back
[05:35:26] <electronics-cat> hello ben
[06:38:04] <budwaa> Is this
http://pastebin.com/ZQUhbM06 code correct to write a flash page in AVR645?
[06:42:48] <specing> budwaa: #include <avr/boot.h>
[06:43:01] <budwaa> yeah thats in there
[06:43:38] <specing> Dunno if it is correct, never done it
[06:43:40] <budwaa> Code compiles and runs ok. That piece of code appears to be running but the flash remains 0xFF
[06:43:53] <specing> HAve you enabled SPM in fuses?
[06:44:32] <budwaa> SPIEN?
[06:44:42] <budwaa> I don;t have an SPM fuse
[06:44:54] <specing> Does your AVR support self-programming?
[06:45:09] <budwaa> yeah
[06:45:38] <OndraSter> the only programming bits are LOCKBITS :)
[06:45:47] <OndraSter> the only self-programming bits*
[06:45:50] <OndraSter> anyway
[06:45:54] <OndraSter> let me take a look
[06:46:20] <budwaa> All lock bits are set to NO_LOCK.
[06:46:39] <OndraSter> hmm
[06:46:42] <OndraSter> no idea :)
[06:46:45] <OndraSter> I always used asm
[06:47:39] <budwaa> :( this is going to be one of those days :D
[06:48:16] <budwaa> Is my thinking correct in that if I read the flash back after doing an application write with the bootloader I should see the code I tried to write in the flash if it worked?
[06:48:23] <specing> Ah
[06:48:31] <OndraSter> yes
[06:48:33] <specing> tiny2313 has a SELFPGMEN fuse in efuse
[06:48:44] <OndraSter> specing, ah, never used that one :)
[06:48:49] <OndraSter> one usually flashes and reads it back
[06:48:51] <specing> Looks like only ATtiny chips have that
[06:48:57] <OndraSter> and calculates some CRC or something
[06:49:07] <specing> OndraSter: tiny2313 is legendary ;)
[06:49:18] <OndraSter> I know :)
[06:49:33] <specing> Like the pic16f84 from the other side of the sea
[06:50:03] <OndraSter> I like how xmegas have sooo many peripherals for soo cheap prices :)
[06:50:27] <specing> Heh
[06:50:46] <OndraSter> I love the OUTCLR and OUTSET registers
[06:51:00] <OndraSter> where you can set or clear any pins with one write
[06:51:03] <OndraSter> rather read-modify-write
[06:51:41] <OndraSter> same for PORTSET/PORTCLR
[06:52:02] <OndraSter> then two 8channels ADCs with 2MSPS 12bit ("not bad")
[06:52:11] <OndraSter> one 2channel DAC with 1MSPS 12bit
[06:52:17] <OndraSter> that is real DAC
[06:52:19] <OndraSter> not PWM DAC :)
[06:52:27] <OndraSter> (this is a3 series)
[06:52:40] <OndraSter> a1 series has more DACs
[06:52:44] <OndraSter> and even EBI :o
[06:52:50] <OndraSter> with support for SDRAMs upto 16MB
[06:53:19] <specing> nice ;P
[06:53:41] <OndraSter> but "only" 32MHz :P
[06:53:45] <OndraSter> if it was 320MHz...
[06:53:49] <OndraSter> :D
[06:54:19] <specing> Atmel should provide VHDLs of their core, j/k :)
[06:55:18] <OndraSter> :D
[06:55:21] <OndraSter> and run them on FPGA?
[06:55:24] <OndraSter> I would take that :)
[06:55:36] <OndraSter> I bet one could do fairly fast AVR with that
[06:56:15] <specing> Its weird though, why are these AVRs limited to 32 MHz?
[06:56:21] <OndraSter> no idea
[06:56:26] <OndraSter> people overclock them though
[06:56:36] <specing> they could easily match them with ARMs... 100MHz...
[06:57:01] <OndraSter> 64MHz and the core worked fine
[06:57:07] <OndraSter> but... who knows what did EEPROM
[06:57:14] <OndraSter> not sure if it is clocked separately
[06:57:30] <specing> You've overclocked it to 64MHz!?
[06:57:35] <specing> *holy*
[06:58:02] <OndraSter> I did not
[06:58:05] <OndraSter> some dude did :)
[06:58:07] <OndraSter> another one to 50MHz
[06:58:44] <OndraSter> "I've tested it at 48, 64, 80 and 96MHz.
[06:58:44] <OndraSter> It seem that it was running at 80 but failed on 96."
[06:58:46] <OndraSter> lmao
[06:59:12] <specing> Looks like I have to get myself a 100MHz signal generator :)
[06:59:17] <OndraSter> :D
[06:59:27] <OndraSter> you know, there is PLL in the xmegas
[06:59:51] <Landon> I do not pity the fool trying to do comprehensive testing at overclocked speeds :P
[07:00:06] <OndraSter> hehe
[07:00:09] <OndraSter> want to know the results? :P
[07:00:25] <Landon> --> work
[07:00:53] <specing> yes
[07:01:37] <specing> Testing would be much easier/comprehensive if one could increment the external clock in kHz steps
[07:11:53] <budwaa> Will avr let you program any data into flash?
[07:21:15] <specing> budwaa: yes, you can flash bunnies into it, provided that you have a binary representation of them at hand
[07:21:39] <budwaa> Wonder if <avr/boot.h> works on all Avrs with bootloader support...
[07:22:00] <specing> well, since it is in the avr/ directory....
[07:22:16] <specing> But j/k
[07:22:18] <specing> TIAS
[07:43:53] <budwaa> When using boot_page_fill would the address be 0-pagesize or would it represent the actual adress of the page that you are trying to write/
[08:03:04] <Tom_itx> specing those would be for rabbit controllers
[08:03:19] <Tom_itx> wrong format
[08:04:32] * specing photoshops large bunny ears on Tom_itx's head
[08:19:02] <budwaa> Is the address of the start of RWW section always 0x0000?
[08:19:23] <Tom_itx> RWW?
[08:19:26] <Tom_itx> no
[08:19:51] <budwaa> Read-While-Write
[08:20:28] <budwaa> In terms of the address supplied to the boot_page_ functions
[08:23:53] <Tom_itx> it would be defined in the bootloader sectino of the pdf
[08:26:29] <OndraSter> wait, RWW is the application flash?
[08:26:32] <OndraSter> and that is on 0
[08:27:30] <budwaa> Ok, does the erase set values to 0xFF?
[08:33:21] <OndraSter> yes
[08:35:41] <budwaa> If I read flash back from AVR should I get bootloader code?
[08:35:59] <Casper> not after a chip erase command
[08:36:15] <budwaa> After I programmed the bootloader?
[08:36:39] <Casper> if you didn't played with the lock bit yes
[08:46:52] <budwaa> What format should I be passing the flash address to the boot_page_* commands? boot_page_erase(0); would erase the first flash page?
[08:47:47] <specing> budwaa: Have you bothered reading avr/boot.h?
[08:48:02] <budwaa> Of course specing I've read everything I could find.
[08:49:06] <budwaa> these commands just seem to do absolutely nothing
[08:52:47] <rue_mohr> CapnKernel, hello
[09:15:01] <OndraSter> hmm I have just realized
[09:15:07] <OndraSter> I have got here bench power supply, 0 - 15V 0 - 3A
[09:15:14] <OndraSter> it has got three outputs - +-gnd
[09:15:29] <OndraSter> how the hell does it do GND when there is no ground and it has only 2 wired power uplug?
[09:15:32] <OndraSter> power plug
[09:15:56] <Landon> common ground
[09:16:09] <Landon> not all the way to the earth ground
[09:16:10] <Landon> :)
[09:16:21] <OndraSter> but if you rotate the plug
[09:16:33] <OndraSter> where used to be working ground is now phase?!
[09:16:35] <theBear> when it says "ground" or maybe |-|-i kinda symbol, it often just means "0v in relation to the other outputs"
[09:17:13] <Landon> transformer magic
[09:17:15] <OndraSter> after I solder something I will describe it better
[09:17:34] <budwaa> HAHAH I win AVR - Datasheet says NRWW section starts at 0x7000 but thats for 32K not 64K :D
[09:22:47] <Landon> OndraSter: but basically, one side is hot, one side is not and the transformer doesn't really care which way you hook up across it
[09:24:14] <jacekowski> OndraSter: it's isolated from mains
[09:24:28] <jacekowski> OndraSter: and all that means is that GND will be at lower potential than +
[09:25:11] <OndraSter> yes, but the GND will be higher than the ground in your power socket
[09:25:21] <jacekowski> no
[09:25:22] <jacekowski> ad yes
[09:25:28] <jacekowski> it will have no relation to it
[09:25:31] <jacekowski> it's not connected
[09:25:35] <OndraSter> if you connect - and GND
[09:25:43] <OndraSter> the power supply becomes mains related
[09:25:47] <OndraSter> (err how do you say it)
[09:25:48] <jacekowski> yes
[09:25:58] <OndraSter> and since there is no EARTH connection
[09:26:07] <OndraSter> it either gets to the mains phase or null
[09:26:09] <jacekowski> then it's still not conected to earth
[09:26:32] <jacekowski> if you don't have earth pin then it's still not connected to earth
[09:26:54] <OndraSter> yes, but where does it lead to?
[09:27:00] <jacekowski> nowhere
[09:27:09] <OndraSter> hmh
[09:27:12] <OndraSter> it must lead to somewhere
[09:27:17] <jacekowski> no
[09:27:27] <OndraSter> ...?
[09:27:38] <OndraSter> I know that it is chinese
[09:27:40] <OndraSter> but...
[09:27:46] <jacekowski> you have a plug
[09:27:49] <jacekowski> with 3 poles
[09:27:50] <theBear> think of a wallwart with a reg and a 'virtual ground' buffer on the output side for a center/0 rail ... that supply is the same, there's a big magnetic isolation between the mains and whatever is on the output side
[09:27:53] <jacekowski> N L and PE
[09:28:05] <jacekowski> GND is connected to PE
[09:28:10] <OndraSter> YES
[09:28:11] <OndraSter> but not here
[09:28:12] <jacekowski> if PE in plug is not connected anywhere
[09:28:36] <OndraSter> there is no PE wire coming from the power supply
[09:28:46] <jacekowski> then that shit is illegal to be sold in EU
[09:28:54] * Landon is reminded of a big electronics test
[09:28:56] <OndraSter> ..
[09:28:59] <OndraSter> okay
[09:28:59] <Landon> "What is the voltage of this node?"
[09:29:11] <Landon> "You never set a ground reference so.... I declare this ground. 0." :)
[09:29:24] <OndraSter> wondering where to is connected the chassis
[09:29:27] <OndraSter> will take it apart
[09:29:36] <theBear> even a lot of psus and say, scopes that have 3pin (act/neut/earth) mains leads will have at least an obvious option/jumper often to isolate real/mains ground from their output (or input with a scope) to give more flexibility with what you can connect them to, AND avoid ground loops
[09:29:39] <jacekowski> stuff sold in EU either has to be double insulated
[09:29:45] <jacekowski> or it has to be earthed
[09:30:11] <theBear> here too, and outside of domestic, the test and tag laws are VERY strict the last 5 years or so
[09:30:15] <jacekowski> with some exceptions ( but those are not applicable in domestic places )
[09:30:28] <OndraSter> hah AND IT WORKS! soldering PLCC chips is not fun :X
[09:30:30] <OndraSter> now the power supply
[09:31:32] <theBear> >1meg to ANY externally accessible point to act/neut on double insulated, tested with act/neut shorted and 500vdc applied to them, and similar test for earthed products, but as well as the 500vdc/>1meg you gotta have <1ohm from earth on power plug to the case
[09:32:01] <theBear> i avoided it (being the tech vs a monkey) and i still musta done a couple thousand test/tags over the last 5 years
[09:33:35] <OndraSter> this is scary
[09:33:39] <OndraSter> do you know where the GND goes to?
[09:33:41] <OndraSter> to the chassis
[09:33:46] <OndraSter> and where does the chassis go to?
[09:33:47] <OndraSter> nowhere
[09:33:48] <OndraSter> lmao
[09:35:37] <theBear> is it a commercially made supply from the last 10 or 20 years maybe ? particularly 2 pin mains plug and in eu end of the world, i'd suspect it was double insulated with a metal case, like the old dj rackmount cd player... errr, denon dn-2?00? series, like dn2500 for example
[09:35:43] <OndraSter> also the power switch switches only one wire
[09:35:53] <OndraSter> which I suppose is okay since it goes into transformer
[09:36:33] <OndraSter> I should do review of this thing
[09:36:33] <theBear> which kinda scare me, their "double insulation" is a pcb-mounted transformer, only held in by solder, with a little tough/safety kinda wax-paper stuff over the lid, and roughly 15mm from the tip of the soldered pins to the chassis, with the pcb sitting on yer average crappy wobbly standoffs
[09:37:37] <theBear> BUT remember, if you got a gfi/gfci/rcd/safety switch like EVERYONE in this day and age should on almost everything, a missing gnd/earth is no longer an issue .... if any power (act current minus neutral current) goes 'missing', it's assumed to be killing you, and the thing kicks off instantly
[09:39:27] <OndraSter> back in the day when I bought that power supply (about 3 years ago?) I knew absolutely nothing about electronics :)
[09:39:29] <OndraSter> well, really a little
[09:39:59] <OndraSter> but now, after finishing middle (high) school and having some paper than I can mess around with electronics (some law in CZE, I can do more than regular student of electronics school)
[09:40:05] <OndraSter> it is optional test I took
[09:40:59] <Landon> theBear: that's the best explanation for gfci I've ever seen
[09:42:39] <theBear> Landon, it was explained to me like that when i was a fresh faced young tech with everything ahead of me, and after extensive thinking about all the possibilities, and an argument about big generators at concerts and thigns like earth stakes, it finally all made sense in my head.. so i say thankyou, but really you should thank scottish paul
[09:42:41] <jacekowski> OndraSter: single pole switches are ok
[09:42:50] <jacekowski> OndraSter: it's only functional switching
[09:42:55] <jacekowski> OndraSter: not isolation switching
[09:43:03] <OndraSter> hmm
[09:43:04] <OndraSter> okay then
[09:43:06] <theBear> ooh, who i'll be staying around the corner from next week for a few days before a wedding... i should go visit... he really trained me well
[09:43:08] <jacekowski> OndraSter: if it's for isolation it has to have some means of locking off
[09:43:30] <OndraSter> but I really love the GND being connected to chassis and nowhere else
[09:43:31] <jacekowski> and even then, N doesn't have to be isolatiod
[09:44:37] <theBear> have you checked that is IS connected to the chassis ? it may be ONLY connected to the output reg circuit/centertap of the transformer secondary
[09:44:49] <OndraSter> yes, it is connected to chassis
[09:44:56] <theBear> interesting
[09:44:58] <OndraSter> and chassis is not connected to anywhere
[09:45:45] <Landon> on my power supply, earth ground is connected to chassis, but I haven't actually traced the ground plug to see where it goes
[09:46:01] <theBear> still like i say, you should have 'protection' upstream, and if you don't you should call an electrician NOW and order some, and therefore you shouldn't worry too much, just remember it 'cos VERY occasionally something like that can be an issue, more often with confusing readings/performance than actual bangs or shocks
[10:03:18] <jacekowski> that reminds me of a job i've done not so long ago
[10:03:24] <jacekowski> about stuff not being connected
[10:03:35] <jacekowski> soft start was complaining no load A/B/C randomly
[10:03:48] <jacekowski> and people claimed that they've checked all connection
[10:04:25] <jacekowski> after quite some time spent on it, i've decided to check those connections myself, and i've found that linking bars were loose
[10:06:00] <theBear> mmm, over the years i've come to the conclusion that most electricians simply can't be bothered even attempting to do up grub screws and things properly, ie. in the back of gpo/wall sockets.... over the years i'd say i've probably pulled off slightly more with loose wires, often loose enough for at least 1 conductor to fall out as i gently pull the plate to see what i'm dealing with ...
[10:06:19] <theBear> oh sorry, slightly more of those than actually properly screwed/terminated ones
[10:12:43] <OndraSter> hmm so I am cleaning the room and finishing (or closing) "projects"
[10:12:54] <OndraSter> and there is SO MUCH stuff lol
[10:14:38] <OndraSter> some dual CD player (proffessional, but I don't have the console for it so I wanted to "make my own"); some old single board computers taken apart, LCD TV that doesn't power on, another few computers...
[10:14:46] <OndraSter> few printers laying around
[10:18:26] <theBear> i know the feeling, but onthe cd player subject, earlier i had my $300 (over a year ago, brand new) little 1.5kg avg 10hr of heavy use netbook here, running mixxx 'dj software' with 2 songs playing, eq, basic effects, smooth as can be at 10.something ms set latency, AND i was remote controlling it wirelessly from my sexy modern phone !
[10:19:12] <OndraSter> :)
[10:19:20] <OndraSter> my phone is sexy!
[10:19:24] <OndraSter> and modern
[10:21:27] <theBear> hehe, nice feeling isn't it :) finally, after 30 something years of 'home computers' being commonplace, and us all working with them one way or another, this stuff is finally powerful and mature enough to be USEFULL ! to make us faster rather than slow us down and have us constantly mumbling in front of customers about how the old ledger was quicker AND more reliable :)
[10:22:27] <Landon> yeah
[10:22:31] <OndraSter> ;)
[10:22:34] <Landon> and now there are touchscreens
[10:22:36] <theBear> and on that note, i already liked htc, but after my very pleasant unlocking my phone in various ways with their guide and blessing last night, i like em even more
[10:22:38] <Landon> so we don't get _too_ productive
[10:22:47] <OndraSter> I ditched HTC year ago
[10:23:14] <OndraSter> years ago I had SE T630, then switched to Kaiser (had it for half a year), TP2 (a year), HD2 (10 months)
[10:23:22] <theBear> all those little things, like stupid irrelevant apps auto-starting at reboot and being unkillable, all of a sudden i can just do things like i do on all my other machines, which are so similar os-wise it's not funny
[10:23:26] <OndraSter> then I went for Omnia 7 (10 months) and now I have Lumia 800 (5 days) :P
[10:23:38] <Landon> OndraSter: I have had two phones for the past 6 years :P I feel like I am doing it wrong
[10:23:44] <OndraSter> heh
[10:23:58] <OndraSter> I'd be using Omnia still, but I got the lumia for free from Microsoft... :D
[10:24:02] <OndraSter> as a developer
[10:24:50] <specing> :O
[10:25:00] * specing kicks OndraSter from freenode, head first
[10:25:02] <theBear> see, i had some original xda's, used one fulltime for about 6 months, but then i had a late 2002 model xda2/himalaya right up until last feb when it just started to get beyond servicable... it was an AMAZING! phone ! among other things it had dropped out of my overalls pocket off a balcony onto bitumen, stick the batt and cover back on, and it worked the same as it always had, etc etc... and that was only the 2nd phone they ever made
[10:25:22] <theBear> now i got this here desire z with it's big sexy qwerty slide out and it's just amazing !
[10:25:33] <OndraSter> the best QWERTY phone was TP2
[10:25:36] <OndraSter> ..
[10:25:40] <OndraSter> the keyboard has yet to be beaten
[10:25:44] <OndraSter> specing, :P what's wrong?
[10:26:03] <theBear> tho i gotta admit what i've seen the xperia series (well 9/10 models) are pretty decent currently, and that's about all i can say
[10:27:46] <theBear> to be fair i will admit that i had to resolder the power button 2 or 3 times over the years, BUT by that stage that entire corner of the plastic casing was pretty much nonexistant, so that's not too bad for a smd tact switch about half the size of a matchstick, only maybe 1.5mm long instead of matchstick long
[10:28:36] <theBear> not that i had any other preferences (i don't 'follow' phones or tech trends or stuff like that) but half the reason i chose them again is 'cos the last one was just so unbelievably durable
[10:29:18] <theBear> i'm not like normal people, my best pcs are ones i find thrown out on the curb or get given in similar circumstance, i got my first mobile mid-late 90's in the early gsm days, and this is my 4th since then
[10:30:47] <OndraSter> :)
[10:42:46] <vectory> nice to read ya'll doin well
[10:44:54] <theBear> heh, so long as people keep throwing out amazingly powerful post 2000 pcs and this phone lasts half as many years as the last one, i am doing well :)
[10:59:15] <specing> theBear: :)
[11:00:03] <RikusW> specing: I still haven't succeeded in catching any pigeons :-P
[11:00:30] <specing> theBear: You mean: "So long as windows keeps raising its silly hardware requirements, causing people to upgrade, we are doing well?"
[11:00:34] <specing> RikusW: Haha :D
[11:00:48] <specing> RikusW: I guess that still means 10KB/s ?
[11:01:03] <RikusW> yep
[11:01:42] <specing> LOL
[11:01:47] * RikusW dislikes vendor lockin and forced upgrades a lot
[11:02:41] <RikusW> I started using Linux about 10 years ago
[11:03:14] <specing> My first box had Suse 6 :D
[11:03:48] <RikusW> At first I felt a little uncomfortable with it, now I feel uncomfortable using windows :-P
[11:04:11] <RikusW> though I still have dual boot XP
[11:04:30] <RikusW> I think I had Redhat 6 or something
[11:05:22] <asteve> mandrake 6 for me, I think
[11:05:45] <theBear> specing, heh, i wasn't htinking it, but on reflection, yeah, i kinda did mean that
[11:06:10] <theBear> i started using linux very nearly exclusively about 10 years ago now, and i've been happier ever since
[11:07:12] <asteve> same, then I bought a mac and I've been 8 times as happy :)
[11:07:29] <asteve> terminal, brew, and i can watch videos without touching codecs?! sweet!
[11:07:59] <asteve> i wish the guys at xilinix would fix the way their usb functions so I could run vmware and program my fpga
[11:08:05] <asteve> or they could make a mac version; either or
[11:08:21] <theBear> <grin> my sexy little netbook runs vmware happily
[11:08:31] <RikusW> or opensource it :)
[11:08:47] <OndraSter> I do have to wonder how will 2GB RAM run vmware..
[11:08:51] <OndraSter> host = w7, client = looniks
[11:09:05] <OndraSter> without swap of course
[11:09:06] <OndraSter> (SSD)
[11:09:13] <asteve> theBear: it may run vmware and osx but try programming a xilinix fpga with that configuration
[11:09:17] <asteve> the os won't recognize the fpga
[11:09:28] <theBear> hehe, 2gb ram can't "run" w7 native in my opinion :)
[11:09:28] <asteve> s/osx/windows/
[11:09:39] <asteve> xilinx*
[11:09:47] <asteve> i didn't realize I mistyped their name twice, heh
[11:09:51] <OndraSter> theBear, just fine
[11:10:03] <OndraSter> and I can launch Opera, OneNote and Quartus and still have some RAM left :P
[11:10:26] <theBear> seriously ? wow, they musta fixed something since it disgusted me last
[11:10:26] <asteve> OndraSter: open chrome, bam!
[11:10:31] <OndraSter> I don't use Chrome
[11:10:36] <OndraSter> I use Opera and IE
[11:11:02] <asteve> i have chrome and terminal running almost exclusively on this machine and I have consumed 4GB and swap constantly
[11:11:02] <asteve> hah
[11:11:38] <theBear> i run my netbook without the swap turned on mostly, 2gb ram AND i can still vmware up a w2k to flash a phone or something without turning it on :)
[11:11:38] <specing> I could probably fit 100s of Linux guests in 2GB ram
[11:12:51] <OndraSter> I dare you, specing :D
[11:13:32] <theBear> hehe while (true) do vmware linguest.machine eh ?
[11:13:32] <specing> Linux's minimum requirement is 8Mb ram
[11:13:57] <theBear> actually i used to get x running just barely in 4mb on a 486 dx2-66 laptop i had
[11:13:59] <specing> qemu/kvm.
[11:14:03] <OndraSter> the thing is - there is nothing like OneNote for looniks
[11:14:18] <theBear> links2 with graphics mode and console irc or email at the same time too !
[11:14:20] <specing> There is TwoNote
[11:14:23] <OndraSter> ..
[11:14:28] <theBear> hehe
[11:14:42] <OndraSter> also, why is KDE so awful?
[11:15:08] <theBear> i dunno, i'm fairly colourblind, but i got nothing on the guys that do kde design :)
[11:15:15] <specing> because it is a hardware hog
[11:15:44] <theBear> i've grown VERY fond of xfce the last few years, early it was a little sparse, but these days it stands up well against kde or gnome, but is still 5 or 10 years behind them on the bloat factor
[11:16:17] * RikusW wonders what causes the bloat
[11:16:19] <OndraSter> why did apt-get autoremove kde also removed bzip2?
[11:16:23] <OndraSter> isn't that fairly dumb?
[11:16:41] <specing> I thought apt goes with the definition of "dumb"
[11:16:51] <OndraSter> it shows you packages that are supposed to be removed but it goes way beyond one screen
[11:16:52] <theBear> i have to say it is, but i'd theorise that it did because kde was the only thing listing bzip as a dep on that system
[11:16:55] <OndraSter> darn I love my windows
[11:17:02] <theBear> i have VERY little experience with apt tho
[11:17:10] <OndraSter> I always used Gentoo
[11:17:20] <specing> Gentoo ;)
[11:17:28] <OndraSter> even on my old server (dual processor P III 1.13GHz/2.5GB ECC SDRAM/2x36GB SCSI in RAID1)
[11:17:31] <theBear> heh me too :) good boy
[11:17:40] <OndraSter> but for stuff I just prefer to use debian
[11:17:48] <asteve> you should use gentoo for a dual processor P III
[11:17:52] <OndraSter> I did
[11:17:58] <asteve> you should not use gentoo on anything else
[11:18:04] <OndraSter> why?
[11:18:06] <OndraSter> I sold the server long time ago
[11:18:06] <asteve> especially in virtualized environments
[11:18:15] <specing> I have gentoo on my 500MHz Geode box
[11:18:22] <asteve> it's twice the amount of work for 0 gain
[11:18:31] <specing> runs like a lightning bolt
[11:18:54] <theBear> i been using gentoo on production servers for a LONG time, cos i know that i can be sure of things working during and after upgrades so long as i follow my production procedures.... an old redhat install i took over (production server) long LONG ago cornered itself into a dep/out of date repository hell and generally put me off rpms and even my old favourite redhat for life
[11:19:28] <asteve> if you're not using something like puppet or chef to manage that for you, your doing it wrong or you're not managing enough machines
[11:19:30] <theBear> that 4mb lappy i just mentioned was technically a gentoo system, pretty darned customised one tho, basically an embedded/router style install but with X and some stuff to make it usable
[11:19:33] <asteve> you're*
[11:19:46] <OndraSter> hmm
[11:19:50] <OndraSter> I have got here 386 laptop
[11:19:52] <OndraSter> with 4MB? RAM
[11:20:02] <OndraSter> and 100 - 200MB harddrive
[11:20:06] <theBear> puppet or chef ? never heard of 'em... also haven't managed more than a couple odd machines outside my own house for maybe 8 years now
[11:20:14] <theBear> this was before the times of fedora
[11:20:28] <theBear> redhat and gentoo and most other distros still actively supported sparc32 for example
[11:20:31] <asteve> i wouldn't touch fedora with a 10foot pole
[11:20:46] <asteve> solaris is garbage; they got package management completely wrong
[11:20:51] <theBear> i never had to touch fedora yet, and i'm so damned into gentoo, i don't think i ever will
[11:20:52] <asteve> coming from a guy who's spent the last 8 years in #solaris
[11:20:53] <asteve> :)
[11:21:19] <theBear> heh, even 8 years ago solaris felt old and dusty whenever i saw it... poor old solaris, once the king of them all
[11:23:41] <theBear> grrr.... little ticking noise in this (my everyday desktop) machine... like a drive power cable just BARELY glancing against the cpu fan or something :-( it's not louder than the not loud fans etc, but i can tell it's gonna bug me until i pull the thing out from under the desk and get the side off for 1/10th of a second moving a cable
[11:23:56] * theBear considers gently rocking the whole machine <grin>
[11:23:57] <OndraSter> kick it
[11:24:01] <OndraSter> or that
[11:24:23] <theBear> heh, i shoulda typed slower, rocking sounds hi-tech next to kicking
[11:25:08] <OndraSter> darn I need already to RMA my board in my PC
[11:25:12] <OndraSter> but that is at least week or two without my PC :(
[11:25:20] <theBear> bummer
[11:25:26] <OndraSter> so I can set up RAID over my 2TB drives
[11:25:31] <OndraSter> easier than managing backups of _some_ files
[11:25:36] <OndraSter> (RAID1)
[11:25:47] <OndraSter> just click once and do not care anymore
[11:25:51] <theBear> erg, i'm doing it again... i gotta go at least unpack the last of my clothes and tools and get used to living at my own place again
[11:26:13] <OndraSter> see, I had 2TB drive, but it started failing fairly fast, within one day there was about 100 wrong sectors and I noticed it after a week
[11:26:17] <OndraSter> I didn't save vmware harddrives..
[11:26:19] <theBear> heh, fancy... i got a soft (md)raid1 6gb in the next room :)
[11:26:20] <OndraSter> unreadable
[11:26:35] <OndraSter> but I immediatily went to buy a new 2TB drive
[11:26:38] <OndraSter> (still more expensive than year ago)
[11:26:47] <OndraSter> and copied all I could
[11:26:50] <OndraSter> and RMAed the older one
[11:26:58] <OndraSter> now I have got here two 2TB drives :D
[11:27:10] <OndraSter> but old SandyBridge B2 southbridge
[11:27:14] <OndraSter> with the transistor issue :(
[11:27:18] <OndraSter> all SATA2 ports are effed up
[11:28:52] <theBear> heh, i don't think i even seen a 2tb drive or sata2 yet :)
[11:29:01] <OndraSter> huhm
[11:30:21] * theBear lives in the past, and doesn't mind at all
[11:32:13] <theBear> ahh SuperMiguel :-) you fixed and here now ?
[11:33:16] * RikusW still use PATA ;)
[11:33:34] <theBear> i had a 2ndhand sata for a while, then it died
[11:33:55] <RikusW> though my usb2 external is SATA
[11:34:05] <theBear> like i said, i still run a 6gb raid1
[11:34:29] <CapnKernel> RikusW: I started with Linux in 1993, and started with Red Hat in 1996.
[11:35:07] <theBear> hmmm... we live on similar timelines it seems
[11:35:16] <RikusW> CapnKernel: 1993 was about when Linux started ?
[11:35:20] <CapnKernel> 1991
[11:36:01] <CapnKernel> theBear: Hi
[11:36:07] <RikusW> I guess 1993 Linux was pretty primitive ?
[11:36:28] <CapnKernel> Swap was limited to 16 Meg
[11:36:29] <theBear> RikusW, give or take a couple years... i think in '92 i was at a usergroup kinda meeting one night to see the dude from my favourite bbs with a stack of floppies containing the source for EVERYTHING and a much much smaller stack with the old boot/root and the whole system he demoed/showed us all on them
[11:36:41] <theBear> heck, back then pcs were pretty primitive
[11:36:52] <OndraSter> hehe
[11:36:55] <OndraSter> one could "build" it
[11:36:59] <RikusW> I first heard of Linux in 1999, started using it end of 2001
[11:37:15] <theBear> 16meg was a LOT... i think the 486 i first got a usable desktop onto a few years later had 16mb ram
[11:37:47] <OndraSter> my 486 has 32MB RAM
[11:37:59] <RikusW> now 16Gig or ram is just normal :-P
[11:38:02] <RikusW> *of
[11:38:12] <OndraSter> my PC has 16GB RAM :)
[11:38:23] <OndraSter> and already few times told me "out of RAM dude! close something or I will start crashing apps!"
[11:38:24] <theBear> i'm still pretty impressed i got 2 different machines with 2gb ram, one of them is a netbook ffs !
[11:38:25] * RikusW still got a working 386DX here
[11:38:29] <OndraSter> so I created 16GB swap
[11:38:37] <OndraSter> I have got 286 laptop.
[11:38:42] <OndraSter> I dare you to beat me :)
[11:38:47] <OndraSter> (with x86 arch)
[11:38:51] <theBear> back then i had a full length ems board literally COVERED in little socketed dip rams, and it was only 2mb !
[11:39:14] * RikusW got an 8088 :-P
[11:39:21] <OndraSter> darn
[11:39:28] <OndraSter> I want some 8088/8086 computer
[11:39:37] <specing> OndraSter: FPGA :)
[11:39:39] <theBear> hmm... i got a 386 something lappy up in the cupboard there that should still work... and my old 286 board is somewhere, but even if it does work i wouldn't be able to find isa drive controllers or graphics for it :)
[11:39:40] <OndraSter> :D
[11:39:45] <specing> Suddenly 200 MHz 8086
[11:39:50] <OndraSter> :D
[11:40:05] <theBear> got a limited collection of early 80's and late 70's consoles and keyboard-computers but they don't really count
[11:40:09] <OndraSter> where MOV takes less than 20 cycles!
[11:40:17] <OndraSter> I had atari 800xe, but sold it
[11:40:20] <OndraSter> like 2 years ago
[11:40:34] <OndraSter> I have still old ISA IDE cards
[11:40:38] <OndraSter> and even two ISA MFM cards
[11:40:46] <OndraSter> with most likely one drive working
[11:42:32] * RikusW still got a working CGA screen
[11:42:42] <OndraSter> specing, running CPU in FPGA is ... not the same thing
[11:42:44] <theBear> i still use an isa sbawe32 now and again, but in one of the latest boards that ever had an isa slot in it
[11:42:46] <OndraSter> as running it on real machine :)
[11:44:04] <theBear> i got a pair of 'em just in case (used to use them to play live err, electronic music), but one of them has two HUGE 4mb!!!! 30pin simms on it
[11:44:48] <theBear> starting to think as the years go on that i should rig one up to an avr or two for a fancy hw sampler/synth/pcm kinda something
[11:45:05] <OndraSter> heh
[11:45:10] <OndraSter> I have got small 4MB SIMMs
[11:45:12] <OndraSter> 30pin
[11:45:14] <OndraSter> 8 of them
[11:45:15] <OndraSter> :)
[11:49:26] <OndraSter> arrgh why is linux so awful? I change in settings of the virtual network of the machine from NAT to bridge, but how do I reflect that it should ask DHCP on my router... okay, dhcpc or something it was on gentoo... hmm nothing like that here. Okay, dhclient eth0... does nothing, just waits and does nothing
[11:49:27] <OndraSter> so reboot
[11:49:31] <OndraSter> hmm no IP from DHCP, wtf
[11:49:34] <OndraSter> so I change it back to NAT
[11:49:37] <OndraSter> still nothing
[11:49:44] <OndraSter> plus it forgot resolution of the screen
[11:49:47] <OndraSter> YOU GOTTA LOVE LINUX :D
[11:50:56] <jacekowski> ubuntu or something?
[11:51:05] <jacekowski> there is dbus controlled dhcp daemon
[11:51:09] <specing> sounds like it
[11:51:10] <jacekowski> controlled by NM
[11:51:14] <OndraSter> debian
[11:51:19] <specing> close enaugh
[11:51:26] <jacekowski> /etc/network/interfaces
[11:51:30] <OndraSter> also, when I want to launch terminal "as a root", it asks for password
[11:51:31] <theBear> what distro ? redhat last i saw (around v7.0) quite liked a file with a few vars including a dhcp = on or similar, (a file) per interface as i recall, several including gentoo tend to default to dhcp if you don't specifically set an ip
[11:51:33] <OndraSter> so I enter it
[11:51:40] <OndraSter> some error blinks immediatily and closes immediatily
[11:51:42] <OndraSter> arrrrgh
[11:51:45] <jacekowski> OndraSter: it's YOUR password not root password
[11:51:49] <theBear> OndraSter, that's standard security practice, edit /etc/sudoers as root
[11:51:57] <OndraSter> theBear, it worked first time
[11:52:02] <OndraSter> my password = root password
[11:52:09] <jacekowski> that's bad security
[11:52:12] <OndraSter> it is my VM
[11:52:13] <theBear> it shouldn't have worked first time
[11:52:15] <OndraSter> I don't care about security
[11:52:18] * theBear is suspicious
[11:52:45] * theBear admits that his user can often sudo without a passwd, at least for some things
[11:52:46] <OndraSter> root ALL=(ALL) ALL
[11:52:53] <theBear> hmmm...
[11:52:59] <OndraSter> I can do sudo from terminal that I launch as my user
[11:53:01] <theBear> type more carefully ? :)
[11:53:15] <OndraSter> doesn't help ;D
[11:53:18] <theBear> hmm... su shares the sudoers file doesn't it ? or is that only for sudo ?
[11:53:38] <OndraSter> no idea
[11:53:40] <OndraSter> don't really care
[11:53:44] <OndraSter> I just want to have network working
[11:53:46] <OndraSter> arrgh
[11:54:08] <specing> OndraSter: you can always join the helpfull #debian channel.
[11:54:18] <OndraSter> I am not sure I want to join any linux channel
[11:54:28] <theBear> for a quick temp fix dhcpcd eth0 should probably do it
[11:54:38] <theBear> i wouldn't recommend it, specially on this network
[11:55:35] <OndraSter> the difference between my VM and my download PC is that after I installed my download PC everything works JUST FINE
[11:55:46] <OndraSter> and it runs, ....
[11:55:46] <OndraSter> ...
[11:55:51] <OndraSter> WINDOWS SERVER 2008 R2!
[11:59:10] <OndraSter> hmm why it won't get IP from DHCP from my router...
[11:59:14] <OndraSter> timed out
[11:59:23] <OndraSter> did vmware crap out or what
[11:59:39] <mrfrenzy> you probably configured it wronjg
[12:00:16] <theBear> you got link lights ?
[12:00:24] <OndraSter> theBear, I am connected right now
[12:00:25] <OndraSter> on my PC
[12:00:27] <OndraSter> through the router
[12:00:29] <OndraSter> so I'd say - yes
[12:00:55] <OndraSter> oh screw it, there are NFS integrated tools for windows server
[12:00:58] <OndraSter> that should work the same
[12:01:00] <OndraSter> and WORK
[12:01:15] <theBear> what ?
[12:01:23] <OndraSter> I need just NFS share working
[12:01:34] <theBear> you got some kinda magic network cable that can be in two pcs at the same time ?
[12:01:52] <OndraSter> I am talking about virtual machine
[12:01:57] <OndraSter> that's why I said vmware
[12:01:58] <OndraSter> many times
[12:02:01] <OndraSter> or virtual
[12:02:13] <theBear> you could always just pull some err, ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.69 netmask 255.255.255.0 && mount server:/share /mnt/floppy
[12:02:23] <theBear> did i mention i'd been drinking all day ? :)
[12:02:32] <OndraSter> tried that too, it still didn't ping anywhere, even my router
[12:02:39] <OndraSter> I suppose that the vmware drivers have screwed up
[12:03:50] <theBear> oh wait, vmware ? check the net config app thingy, it's weird, and often looks right but err, isn't
[12:04:14] <OndraSter> hmm it works in win2000 virtual just fine
[12:04:50] <theBear> hmmm.. the guest has the vmware network card driver available and loaded ?
[12:04:55] <OndraSter> sure
[12:04:59] <OndraSter> in NAT mode it sometimes works
[12:05:02] <OndraSter> in bridge mode it doesn't
[12:05:02] <OndraSter> on linux
[12:05:03] <theBear> dmesg |grep eth say anything that looks like it loaded good ?
[12:05:05] <OndraSter> on windows works all
[12:05:07] <theBear> hmm.. weird
[12:05:17] <OndraSter> screw that, I will install nfs server on my windows machine
[12:05:19] <theBear> maybe it's grumpy cos you don't constantly praise it likei do
[12:05:45] <CapnKernel> theBear: He didn't sacrifice the right chicken to it?
[12:06:13] <theBear> heh, it understands sarcasm too
[12:06:15] <OndraSter> I always sacrifice chickens to Microsoft :)
[12:06:59] <Kevin`> understanding networking really helps for getting networking working
[12:07:08] <CapnKernel> Well there you go, obviously chicken sacrifice works
[12:07:10] <theBear> hehe
[12:07:40] <CapnKernel> Good night everyone
[12:08:28] <OndraSter> gn
[12:09:15] <Kevin`> an nfs server on windows just because you can't figure out networking is going to cause a lot of pain =p
[12:09:30] <OndraSter> heh
[12:14:43] <OndraSter> who said it would be pain?
[12:14:43] <OndraSter> http://clip2net.com/s/2133q
[12:15:18] <Kevin`> you just wait =p
[12:18:58] <theBear> just seeing uid = -2 is causing me pain
[12:20:03] <RikusW> seems this has become A VmwaRe channel :-P
[12:21:01] <OndraSter> RikusW, nah, just complaining here because here people actually use and like looniks :D
[12:21:29] <Kevin`> there's an actual vmware channel if you were looking to find what the issue is
[12:21:39] <OndraSter> I just wanted to rant how linux sucks :D
[12:22:05] <Kevin`> doesn't help, because I use it enough to know it's user error =p
[12:26:07] <specing> PEBKAC!
[12:30:13] <OndraSter> it works _just fine_
[12:30:14] <OndraSter> so
[12:30:17] <OndraSter> no problem there
[12:33:16] <Kevin`> wait until you need multiple routing tables or 802.1q without intel's hacks =p
[12:33:34] <OndraSter> oh and I think I found out why the DHCP in vmware is having issues
[12:33:42] <OndraSter> before I flashed my router back to stock, the DHCP provider was my download PC
[12:33:51] <OndraSter> because dd-wrt's DHCP was .... having issues ;D
[12:34:00] <Kevin`> dd-wrt is nasty
[12:34:02] <OndraSter> so now I have two DHCP servers on the network
[12:34:13] <OndraSter> surprisingly all the PCs don't care and use the router as DHCP server
[12:34:21] <OndraSter> but vmware with linux in it craps out
[12:34:45] <OndraSter> I found it with the IBM Netvista who told me "DHCP offer from 192.168.1.1 blabla" and on another line "DHCP offer from 192.168.1.5 blabla" :D
[12:35:41] <OndraSter> nope, doesn't help
[12:37:00] <Kevin`> I assume you no longer care about fixing it? otherwise you should have wireshark
[12:37:16] <Kevin`> oh, you aren't using wifi, right?
[12:38:17] <OndraSter> no
[12:38:25] <OndraSter> I am using wifi only for my laptop and tablet and phone
[12:41:22] <OndraSter> also, what difference would it make?
[12:41:23] <OndraSter> http://clip2net.com/s/213qn
[12:41:40] <OndraSter> when clients connect to wifi the DHCP broadcast message still arrives to and back from the server
[12:41:54] <Kevin`> wifi stations don't support bridging, at least according to the official spec. there are extensions that make it work but they aren't standardized between vendors
[12:42:01] <OndraSter> oh
[12:45:06] <OndraSter> even reservations work just fine
[12:45:19] <OndraSter> if I had good wifi N card in my server I'd turn it into full fledged router
[12:45:43] <Kevin`> very few windows wifi drivers support ap mode
[12:45:50] <Kevin`> more than there used to be though
[12:45:53] <OndraSter> ... I know about many
[12:45:58] <OndraSter> I bought bcm4318
[12:46:00] <OndraSter> for three bucks
[12:46:01] <OndraSter> from ebay
[12:46:04] <OndraSter> miniPCI card
[12:46:08] <OndraSter> ... supports AP mode
[12:46:14] <OndraSter> old intel 2200bg did not though
[12:48:45] <lambdanaut> I'm flashing my first AVR chip this weekend, what should I expect?
[12:49:35] <OndraSter> your gf coming back?
[12:49:37] <lambdanaut> Besides a feeling of transcending into the heavens?
[12:50:20] <lambdanaut> oh
[12:50:23] <lambdanaut> I do miss her..
[12:51:22] <Tom_itx> anything short of that would be a dissapointment
[12:52:15] <drgreenthumb> what should you expect? heh expect frustration and long hours of debuggging ;) but we're here to help make that LED blink. blink LED, blink!
[12:52:43] <Tom_itx> hell abcminiuser was so elated he joined the company
[13:05:34] <RikusW> lambdanaut: what kind of programmer wil you be using ?
[13:07:37] <abcminiuser_> Tom_itx, what now?
[13:08:09] <abcminiuser_> Ah right ;)
[13:08:21] <abcminiuser_> It's awesome except for the customers :(
[13:08:40] <Landon> >.>
[13:08:51] <Landon> sure that's the sentiment to express in an avr hobby channel :P
[13:09:13] <drgreenthumb> heh I assume by "the customers" that doesn't mean us hobbyists ;)
[13:09:35] <drgreenthumb> we're very undemanding!
[13:11:09] <abcminiuser_> drgreenthumb, in this case I'm thinking of a guy on my LUFA support :P
[13:11:24] <abcminiuser_> But the guys that email with a list of 50 questions aren't fun either
[13:11:54] <Tom_itx> did you make that one guy happy?
[13:12:23] <drgreenthumb> heh well, support vampires just exist. not AVR specific ;)
[13:13:21] <Tom_itx> you just shut them up by asking for their cc number and stating that further support will be billed at a rate of $300/hr
[13:13:41] <abcminiuser_> Tom_itx, he emailed me last night
[13:13:56] <abcminiuser_> Essentially he's dug himself into a hole by not reading and making assumptions
[13:13:58] <Tom_itx> want me to give him your home address?
[13:14:08] <drgreenthumb> haha
[13:14:10] <abcminiuser_> And now wants me to apologize so he can shift the blame from his clients to me
[13:14:11] <Tom_itx> :)
[13:14:20] <abcminiuser_> Not fun, it's ruined my whole day :(
[13:14:24] <Tom_itx> i bet
[13:14:39] <drgreenthumb> heh I blame you for creating LUFA too. jerk!
[13:14:43] <drgreenthumb> ;)
[13:14:52] <Landon> your LUFA does not get my back scrubbed very well :(
[13:15:31] <Tom_itx> i bet he has something for your backside
[13:15:33] <abcminiuser_> :(
[13:15:37] <drgreenthumb> seriously though, LUFA is pretty much THE nicest AVR library.
[13:15:48] <drgreenthumb> if you're complaining about it, you have issues.
[13:15:59] <abcminiuser_> drgreenthumb, it has a lot of flaws, but at least in the case of XMEGAs it has a GIANT WARNING on it
[13:16:04] <Landon> Tom_itx: hopefully an autonomous loofah
[13:16:06] <Landon> :P
[13:16:14] <abcminiuser_> "You write "... if this is the workload you present to me ...". Could
[13:16:14] <abcminiuser_> you please get real?"
[13:16:45] <abcminiuser_> "I might as well just
[13:16:45] <abcminiuser_> say that for some reason you botched this all up and created a heck of
[13:16:45] <abcminiuser_> a lot of extra grief and work for both of us."
[13:17:00] <abcminiuser_> "An entire day of customer support is,
[13:17:00] <abcminiuser_> I suppose, purgatory ... unless you happen to be an applications
[13:17:00] <abcminiuser_> engineer, in which case it comes with the territory. Don't, however,
[13:17:00] <abcminiuser_> try to stick me with the blame for that."
[13:17:02] <abcminiuser_> Yay :)
[13:37:12] <SuperMiguel> how can i read wheel encoders data?
[13:37:36] <mrfrenzy> connect to inputs with counters or interrupts
[13:46:15] <Tom_itx> SuperMiguel, pin interrupt
[14:02:02] <Steffanx> He SuperMiguel is back alive
[14:02:11] <Steffanx> Shutdown your computer next time when you leave SuperMiguel :P
[14:04:32] <Steffanx> We had to see you join and quit at least 50 (??) times this morning(night for you) :S
[14:11:28] <Kevin`> well that's his network's fault, not his pc, most likelyt
[14:12:43] <Steffanx> Ha OndraSter
[14:12:48] <OndraSter> ha Steffanx
[14:12:59] <OndraSter> you could not see me join/leave today morning
[14:13:04] <OndraSter> because I got up 1310 today
[14:13:23] <Steffanx> I know you don't care, 1 - 0 :P
[14:13:30] <OndraSter> I KNOW WE ARE LOSING
[14:13:34] <OndraSter> :P
[14:35:44] <Steffanx> Yes, you are OndraSter
[14:35:51] <OndraSter> :D
[14:35:54] <OndraSter> 2.0
[14:35:55] <OndraSter> btw
[14:36:00] <OndraSter> 2:0
[14:36:11] <Steffanx> Yes yes
[16:03:35] <OndraSter> hah, so I have finally working the NFS on the linux... but guess what... the thin client gets stuck on downloading the file :P ("downloading file in bytes". and instead counting to the file size it doesn't show the number at all)
[16:03:41] <OndraSter> it works with NFS share from windows server btw :P
[16:03:59] <OndraSter> (but I dare you to compile linux on windows)
[16:19:25] <Kevin`> compiling windows on linux would be more interesting
[16:20:18] <iR0b0t1> and impossible
[16:24:21] <OndraSter> why?
[16:41:11] <Essobi_> :D I have my ARM 920T running motion on a USB cam with wifi now.
[16:41:45] <Essobi_> And find something thin to run web apps on.
[16:42:30] <Essobi_> But 5V @ 400mA and I'm running everything... Need a nice SLA and an enclosure for it now.
[16:45:25] <iR0b0t1> Oh nice
[16:54:52] <specing> Essobi_: AT91?
[17:28:50] <Essobi_> specing: cirrus EP9302
[17:29:44] <Essobi_> specing: running 2.6.34.11 with debian squeeze
[20:05:12] <SuperMiguel> any of you windows guys still use winXP?
[20:05:25] <Tom_itx> yup
[20:05:32] <SuperMiguel> Tom_itx: u do tom?
[20:05:56] <Tom_itx> xp pro
[20:06:08] <cehteh> win2000 here .. but i am linux guy :)
[20:06:24] <Tom_itx> nt4 on one still
[20:06:29] <Tom_itx> debian server
[20:06:35] <cehteh> yes i have nt4 too ...
[20:06:37] <Tom_itx> ubuntu on my atom
[20:06:58] <Tom_itx> oh and dos6.22 on the nt4 machine as well :)
[20:07:01] <cehteh> win2000 is the most decent windows i have and occationally use in a vm to cross-test something :P
[20:07:52] <Tom_itx> laptops have vista iirc
[20:08:03] <SuperMiguel> Tom_itx: xp 32?
[20:08:21] <Tom_itx> yes
[20:08:31] <SuperMiguel> i was running 7 64 bit and damm had lots of issues with it :(
[20:08:37] <Tom_itx> did xp have a 64 version?
[20:08:45] <cehteh> i doubt
[20:08:46] <SuperMiguel> Tom_itx: it did
[20:08:58] <cehteh> ok i dont have a clue
[20:08:58] <SuperMiguel> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_XP_Professional_x64_Edition
[20:09:39] <SuperMiguel> Tom_itx: i have one of ur programmers and having issues programming an arduino but I'm using a driver i made hopefully is a problem with my 64 bit win and not ur programmer :P
[20:09:53] <Tom_itx> it works in 64
[20:10:10] <Tom_itx> i'm not sure the tweaks necessary but i know it does
[22:43:04] <totesmgee> I am working on a project that is trying to detect the impact event of a bullet on a piece of ar500 steel (a target) using accelerometers. The project I am basing it off of used an expensive USB DAQ. I was wondering if this is due to the crazy amount of resolution needed to find the time of these events. Do you think an AVR could handle this?