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[02:18:20] <iR0b0t1> Someone who has used the USI on the tiny line: the 4-bit counter overflows upon the completion of a transmission, right?
[02:19:08] <iR0b0t1> I haven't seen it explained adequately, but from what I've gathered, it increments on both edges of the clock signal, and for a byte to transmit the clock would experience 16 state changes.
[02:19:33] <iR0b0t1> Then the timer will trigger the holding of the SCL line low until the overflow flag is reset.
[02:19:43] <iR0b0t1> This would relate to clock stretching, wouldn't it?
[06:47:56] <w32stuxnet> hi all, anyone awake?
[06:48:27] <w32stuxnet> I'm having a massive struggle trying to wire up busy waiting for TinyOS (for a uni project, not out of personal choice)
[06:49:14] <w32stuxnet> and of course, along with the nonexistent documentation, there is no irc channel
[06:52:03] <abcminiuser> Woo, new LUFA build system is in and it (appears to) work
[10:17:29] <Guest1734> hello
[10:18:00] <vectory> hello
[10:18:33] <Guest1734> how u doing
[10:19:16] <CapnKernel> Guest1734: Like, totally tell us about the project!
[10:19:41] <Guest1734> what? project lmao
[10:20:29] <Guest1734> listen guys im a girl my name is daniela and im 19 years old :)
[10:22:36] <CapnKernel> Guess she didn't want to tell us about the project.
[10:23:38] <vectory> now you scared her away
[10:24:17] <CapnKernel> Oh so it's my fault????
[10:24:18] <theBear> hehe what a day and age we live in.... internet chat room that's very technically/micro oriented, and it almost seems likely it's NOT just a cop or a fat old pervert PRETENDING to be a girl :)
[10:24:34] <theBear> my how times have changed since i first saw the magic of irc
[10:24:34] <drgreenthumb> that's no girl. it's a space station. oops I mean: that's no girl, that's an FBI agent!
[10:24:41] <CapnKernel> I was about to show her my soldering iron
[10:25:14] <drgreenthumb> you stud
[10:25:19] <theBear> heh, mines dodgier and smaller and i STILL do better work with it
[10:25:27] <CapnKernel> I was about to ask her if she'd ever sucked solder before
[10:25:34] <theBear> it's never seen a doctor, only my other soldering iron :)
[10:25:42] <drgreenthumb> than a soldering iron? heh I hope you mean the whole thing not just the tip
[10:26:34] <theBear> for a err, forward thinking re: bedrooms kinda guy, sometimes i'm surprised what little things can make me hesitate for a moment and think "no ! did he really say that ? now he's gone TOO FAR !" before i think, pffft, don't be ridiculous
[10:26:56] <drgreenthumb> btw there's only one girl who uses AVRs and she's unlikely to come here :P
[10:26:56] <CapnKernel> I'm wondering where the line is and whether we crossed it
[10:27:08] <CapnKernel> !seen Jan-
[10:27:09] <tobbor> Jan- was last seen in #avr on Mar 29 19:30 2012
[10:27:14] <CapnKernel> It's been a while
[10:30:07] <OndraSter> heh
[10:30:12] <OndraSter> darn Daniela 19 yo
[10:30:14] <OndraSter> I'd take that!
[10:30:39] <OndraSter> :P
[10:30:43] <OndraSter> I was at uni today
[10:30:46] <OndraSter> to write a test
[10:30:55] <OndraSter> and of all the people there was about 20% "girls"
[10:31:00] <OndraSter> (18 - 20 yo)
[10:31:02] <OndraSter> not bad IMHO :)
[10:31:10] <OndraSter> and that is IT uni
[10:31:17] <theBear> i believe the kids today would have said "i'd hit that", but fortunately i don't speak like the youth of today and understood you perfectly <grin> jolly good show old chap, yes rather, very pretty young lady
[10:31:35] <OndraSter> :D
[10:32:55] <OndraSter> I sit down next to fairly good looking girl... then another two sit after me next to me :D
[10:32:57] <OndraSter> not bad!
[10:33:00] <drgreenthumb> I don't think it's age. aren't you British theBear? :P
http://theoatmeal.com/pl/minor_differences4/accents
[10:33:34] <OndraSter> drgreenthumb, LOL
[10:34:09] <theBear> well technically 3/4, but not you know, by birthplace or anything... tho strangely enough i was discussing the english paper with my old english landlord just thisafternoon :)
[10:34:55] <theBear> drgreenthumb, <hahaha> he rogered the boogley ! <hahahaha/>
[10:36:18] <CapnKernel> drgreenthumb: too good
[10:36:50] <Tom_itx> CapnKernel my iron gets hotter than yours :)
[10:41:27] <CapnKernel> Tom_itx: bragger
[10:42:12] <theBear> mine has an almost new tip :)
[10:42:41] <theBear> AND i can fit it in my toolbox and take it out with me, but it IS a tight fit
[10:42:53] <theBear> i'm sorry, i too have had a little liquor tonight
[10:43:00] <CapnKernel> Mine's 12 inches long, but I don't use it as a rule
[10:43:04] <theBear> but ya gotta remember to smile, otherwise you might cry
[10:43:29] <theBear> amazing how many times over the years a tally ho packet has saved me a minor or medium hassle by being a rule
[10:44:03] <CapnKernel> Indeed. Tally Ho has allowed me to measure the size of fish I catch, several times!
[10:44:06] <theBear> if you don't know what i'm talking about ask the wide wide world of web image machine robot to see one
[10:44:07] <CapnKernel> I hope you can see the irony that in the 20 minutes since danielle left, this channel has become the very den of testosterone guaranteed to frighten her off, if indeed she was still here...
[10:44:15] <theBear> ^^ general tip for all
[10:44:21] <CapnKernel> theBear: Now I *know* you're Australian.
[10:44:55] <theBear> aww c'mon, i got one of my favourite sayings of the last few years from young joy turner, and she's american, and a fictional character
[10:45:02] <theBear> !
[10:45:10] <OndraSter> I have superlong and thick iron!
[10:45:23] <CapnKernel> Does it have bumps on it?
[10:45:35] <OndraSter> two
[10:45:47] <CapnKernel> Now I'm impressed. Deeply.
[10:45:49] <drgreenthumb> huh you guys are weird. my iron is small. but I do have a gigantic penis.
[10:45:50] <Tom_itx> she was probably a he that was lying for kicks
[10:45:58] <CapnKernel> BARP BARP
[10:46:09] <CapnKernel> Congratulations to drgreenthumb for ACTUALLY CROSSING THE LINE
[10:46:11] <OndraSter> http://www.gme.cz/dokumentace/730/730-253/pctdetail.730-253.1.jpg
[10:46:12] <drgreenthumb> haha
[10:46:17] <OndraSter> but it is not 1:1 picture
[10:46:28] <OndraSter> lol
[10:46:37] <specing> OndraSter: Looks bulky
[10:46:37] <CapnKernel> I have a gigantic iron.
[10:46:40] <drgreenthumb> heh nothing I can do could possibly drag this channel down to the level of ##electronics . that place is a cesspool :P
[10:46:41] <OndraSter> it is at least 15 inches long!
[10:46:47] <CapnKernel> My wife is considering using it while I'm in China.
[10:46:52] <OndraSter> :D
[10:47:32] <Tom_itx> ok we've had our fun
[10:47:37] <CapnKernel> OndraSter: Jesus, I'm admiring the thickness of the shaft!
[10:47:49] <drgreenthumb> Tom_itx, kick everyone!
[10:47:50] <specing> Damn, the banhammer has arrived...
[10:48:02] <CapnKernel> Says the man who crossed the line!
[10:48:07] <drgreenthumb> :P
[10:48:11] <Tom_itx> ha
[10:48:28] <specing> Tom_itx: Now is a great time to practice your admin skills!
[10:48:36] <Tom_itx> we could wish for jan back
[10:48:43] <drgreenthumb> let's talk about my LCD. oooh it has pixels.
[10:48:49] <CapnKernel> Let's not, shall we?
[10:48:57] <drgreenthumb> ;_;
[10:48:59] <CapnKernel> shiny!
[10:49:17] <CapnKernel> I mean about Jan, not about pixels
[10:49:18] <drgreenthumb> oh. jan. who's jan?
[10:49:22] <CapnKernel> That person gives me the shits
[10:49:26] <OndraSter> :D
[10:50:00] <drgreenthumb> some dude who convinced you all the he's female?
[10:50:06] <OndraSter> most likely
[10:50:10] <CapnKernel> That person is someone who comes in here once in a while and complains about it all being too hard, but won't take the hint to go to #arduino
[10:50:24] <drgreenthumb> ladyada is the only AVR girl. if there were more, I'd know :p
[10:50:27] <OndraSter> anyway, I AM DONE WITH MIDDLE (HIGH) SCHOOL, NOW I WILL BE HOPEFULY JOINING UNI IN SEPTEMBER. I CAN PARTEH AS MUCH AS I WANT!
[10:50:49] <drgreenthumb> woooo \o/
[10:50:52] <OndraSter> ye
[10:50:54] <OndraSter> :P
[10:51:04] <OndraSter> and I can laugh at everybody "hahahahahha you gotta go to school 2morrow!"
[10:51:10] <CapnKernel> Time to get well and truly pissed!
[10:51:26] <drgreenthumb> heh don't get too cocky. the RW sucks more than school sometimes ;p
[10:51:37] <OndraSter> RW?
[10:51:40] <CapnKernel> Real world
[10:51:41] <drgreenthumb> real world
[10:51:41] <OndraSter> DVD-RW?
[10:51:44] <OndraSter> oh
[10:51:45] <CapnKernel> Some of us live in it
[10:51:55] <OndraSter> some of cz don't :P
[11:00:17] <specing> OndraSter: september?
[11:00:25] <specing> OndraSter: It start in october here...
[11:00:35] <OndraSter> half of september - october
[11:01:01] <drgreenthumb> so I'm about to sit down and write a network filesystem with a local SD cache, a GUI that can only use 2 lines of LCD buffer and only read small pieces of images at once, and on top of it all something that sits on my closet server PC and actually controls various XBMC installs etc. it's too big. I don't know where to start x_x
[11:01:30] <drgreenthumb> though I do have low level drivers working for most of the devices, so that's a nice start.
[11:49:40] <mimcpher> start with a little piece ;)
[12:19:31] <CapnKernel> drgreenthumb: Two in the front, and two in the back.
[12:19:41] <CapnKernel> At least, that's how they fit elephants into minis.
[12:19:45] <CapnKernel> Or so I've heard.
[12:21:26] <drgreenthumb> heh
[12:22:42] <drgreenthumb> well first things first. just hacked up libtga so that it uses
http://elm-chan.org/fsw/ff/00index_e.html instead of <stdio.h> stuff. also removed some silly and unnecessary functions ;)
[12:22:50] <CapnKernel> And if they're from NASA, seven in the ashtray
[12:41:26] <DarkSector> If I don't activate the pull up resistors in some port and output that port's data to another port, it gives a lot of errors e.g. PORTD 0x00 and IN R16, PIND, OUT PORTC, R16 where PORTC has LEDs connnected to it and they seem to turn on or off randomly
[12:41:29] <DarkSector> why does that happen
[12:41:50] <DarkSector> it doesn't happen when I push 255 to PORTD when DDRD is 0
[12:43:11] <kline> pins are floating?
[12:49:29] <DarkSector> oh yes
[12:53:58] <OndraSter> woot it took me a while
[12:54:03] <OndraSter> but I stretched the board to .7"
[12:54:06] <OndraSter> .6" is impossible!
[12:54:41] <OndraSter> (if I don't want any vias below the MCU, which I don't, since it should be soldered to ground)
[14:00:23] <OndraSter> damn I can't wait for Uni... finally girls that understand what I am talking about :D :D
[14:00:48] <specing> lol
[14:01:00] <specing> don't imagine all of those 20% will actually go there
[14:01:14] <specing> maybe 20% of those 20% will go
[14:02:54] <OndraSter> actually this university has 10% girls of all their 1900 students
[14:09:34] <drgreenthumb> http://i.imgur.com/7H0qO.jpg
[14:09:50] <drgreenthumb> colors are off. but that is definately homer shaped :P
[14:10:06] <OndraSter> lol
[14:10:11] <OndraSter> not bad mate
[14:10:16] <drgreenthumb> :)
[14:10:27] <drgreenthumb> getting read off sd card. homer.tga :D
[14:11:08] <drgreenthumb> it hates me if I use RLE compression. and if I use bottom right orientation it draws that way :P
[14:12:02] <drgreenthumb> http://imgur.com/I8fQY
[14:12:19] <drgreenthumb> that's what it's supposed to look like. yellows are not coming out, whole thing looks washed out.
[14:24:41] <kline> OndraSter: haha, "girls that understand what im talking about"
[14:25:12] <kline> on the course im on, its very much still a case of "i understand but dont have a passion for", for many students
[14:27:41] <specing> OndraSter: 190 girls? You've got to be kidding me
[14:27:55] <OndraSter> yeah!
[14:28:20] <specing> Are these like two faculties?
[14:28:37] <specing> There can't be 190 girls on CS/EE
[14:28:57] <vectory> hes talking all university
[14:29:12] <vectory> i doubt .cz has universities with much more than 1900 students
[14:29:23] <specing> Why?
[14:29:40] <specing> Our university has about 20000 or so....
[14:30:40] <OndraSter> this is uni in Prague
[14:30:47] <OndraSter> about 1900 students just this faculty
[14:30:56] <OndraSter> :P
[14:31:43] <specing> Ah so a faculty
[14:32:06] <OndraSter> the uni has more faculties
[14:32:09] <specing> EE faculty with 1900 students?
[14:32:19] <OndraSter> I am going to "IT" faculty, but going towards engineering field
[14:32:23] <OndraSter> mix of SW and HW
[14:35:17] <specing> interesting
[14:35:23] <specing> they don't have that here :(
[14:35:33] <specing> So Im going maths+IT
[14:35:52] <OndraSter> they talk about stuff like micros, FPGAs, programming for them etc
[14:35:55] <OndraSter> in the field I want to target
[14:35:58] <specing> :S
[14:36:03] * specing want want want
[14:36:08] <OndraSter> the second choice was faculty with electronics :)
[14:36:13] <OndraSter> but I hate analog signals and such :P
[14:36:23] <OndraSter> thus I said "hell no"
[14:37:29] <OndraSter> I have to wonder
[14:37:35] <OndraSter> how many EE chicks are like Jan- :D
[14:38:00] <specing> I don't remember Jan
[14:38:09] <specing> !seen Jan-
[14:38:09] <tobbor> Jan- was last seen in #avr on Mar 29 19:30 2012
[14:38:28] <OndraSter> don't worry
[14:38:32] <OndraSter> you haven't missed much ;D
[14:38:36] <specing> She is still on freenode
[14:38:42] <specing> whois...
[14:38:58] <OndraSter> WOW
[14:39:02] <OndraSter> should we invite her? :D
[14:39:05] <OndraSter> or rather not, CapnKernel
[14:39:13] <OndraSter> (I know, you have 6:28 or so)
[14:40:18] <specing> I vote yes
[14:40:49] <specing> We could use some female company in here, even if it from someone like jan
[14:48:23] <specing> Oh right OndraSter
[14:48:34] <specing> About the coding you wanted to do on an ARM
[14:48:40] <OndraSter> yes?
[14:48:46] <specing> OndraSter: the AM1705 has two real-time units :)
[14:48:51] <OndraSter> that means?
[14:48:55] <specing> Well
[14:49:04] <specing> You can program them independantly
[14:49:15] <OndraSter> how do real-time units help me?
[14:49:27] <specing> idk
[14:49:30] <specing> just so you know
[14:49:35] <OndraSter> oh lol
[14:49:36] <OndraSter> thanks
[15:17:08] <drgreenthumb> yay, color fixed :)
http://imgur.com/kazcC
[15:41:00] <OndraSter> :)
[15:41:06] <OndraSter> what controller does it have?
[15:41:51] <RikusW> specing: OndraSter jan- hangs out in ##electronics nowadays ;)
[15:41:53] <drgreenthumb> OndraSter, heh I donno, some 8080 interface.
[15:42:02] <OndraSter> RikusW, wow
[15:42:09] <OndraSter> drgreenthumb, hmm
[15:42:16] <OndraSter> 8bit parallel interface?
[15:42:19] <drgreenthumb> yep
[15:42:26] <OndraSter> how fast can you send there the data?
[15:42:50] <RikusW> OndraSter: I sometimes go there when I'm bored :-P
[15:42:54] <OndraSter> :D
[15:43:17] <OndraSter> how much does one have to be bored to go there liberately?
[15:44:42] <drgreenthumb> OndraSter, heh I don't know the limit. check out the send routine:
http://pastebin.com/zdhv1ui4
[15:44:53] <OndraSter> do you have datasheet?
[15:44:57] <drgreenthumb> so it's as fast as I can toggle it in C at 8mhz
[15:45:01] <drgreenthumb> yeah sec
[15:45:12] <drgreenthumb> heh I showed you this before. it's that NHD 1.8"
[15:45:17] <OndraSter> let me suggest you toggling through PIN register, it saves some instructions :)
[15:45:21] <drgreenthumb> http://www.newhavendisplay.com/nhd18128160tfctxi-p-4981.html
[15:45:24] <OndraSter> ah
[15:45:25] <OndraSter> thaks
[15:45:26] <OndraSter> thanks
[15:45:43] <drgreenthumb> heh btw the SD card is the major bottleneck ;p
[15:45:56] <OndraSter> you can do hundreds of kB/s on mega from SD I think
[15:45:59] <OndraSter> with a good optimalizations :)
[15:46:02] <drgreenthumb> but yeah I could probably just do this in ASM
[15:46:26] <OndraSter> I write the small routines that in asm so it gets 100% speed :)
[15:46:33] <drgreenthumb> heh well the limit for SPI is F_CPU / 2 AFAIK
[15:46:41] <OndraSter> for master you can do F_CPU
[15:46:46] <OndraSter> or is it still /2?
[15:46:49] <drgreenthumb> eh?
[15:46:56] <drgreenthumb> not on this mega32L anyway..
[15:47:02] <OndraSter> SPI_2X
[15:47:03] <OndraSter> mode
[15:47:05] <OndraSter> or is it on UART?
[15:47:14] <drgreenthumb> 2X mode is still half the CPU freq
[15:47:19] <OndraSter> oh
[15:47:22] <drgreenthumb> without that it's /4
[15:47:29] <OndraSter> right :)
[15:49:17] <drgreenthumb> so heh for my final version of this project I probably will get something faster. 32mhz or something. hopefully that'll speed up reading and displaying :)
[15:49:34] <OndraSter> xmega? :P
[15:50:34] <specing> Maybe an ARM would be better for his needs
[15:50:48] <drgreenthumb> I like AVRs ;)
[15:50:51] <specing> a high speed ARM with little peripherals
[15:51:01] <drgreenthumb> yeah the software is a little tight. but it's all working
[15:51:03] <OndraSter> drgreenthumb, what programmer do you have?
[15:51:11] <specing> I have to make a JTAG dongle :)
[15:51:14] <drgreenthumb> heh I'm not really obsessed with speed here, OndraSter asked :P
[15:51:22] <drgreenthumb> OndraSter, Tom_itx's
[15:51:24] <OndraSter> ah
[15:51:28] <OndraSter> that one can do Xmegas :)
[15:51:30] <specing> Would a FT232H work with AVRs?
[15:51:36] <OndraSter> no
[15:51:42] <OndraSter> FT2232 you mean*
[15:51:46] <OndraSter> still the answer is no
[15:51:50] <specing> No, FT232H
[15:51:53] <OndraSter> oh
[15:51:56] <OndraSter> 232 is UART
[15:52:00] <specing> Nak
[15:52:04] <specing> MSSPE
[15:52:08] <OndraSter> that is 2232
[15:52:08] <specing> Multi-proto
[15:52:19] <OndraSter> or wait
[15:52:27] <OndraSter> FT232H isn't some weird version of 232R?
[15:52:39] <OndraSter> arrgh
[15:52:47] <OndraSter> anyway, still I do not know about any programmer that could use FT232H
[15:53:36] <OndraSter> 67x23mm board :/
[15:53:54] <drgreenthumb> it reads and draws Homer there in about half a second. which isn't brilliantly fast, but heh this doesn't need to play video. a teensy bit of lag is fine. and there's lots of room here for optimizations :)
[15:54:39] <drgreenthumb> just an external crystal at 16Mhz is probably enough really.
[15:55:12] <specing> It works accorfing to this:
http://www.olimex.com/dev/avr-usb-jtag.html
[15:57:55] <OndraSter> but that is old JTAG ICE
[15:57:57] <OndraSter> that nobody supports
[15:58:06] <OndraSter> no new chip
[15:58:10] <OndraSter> only the ooooooooldest ones
[15:58:51] <specing> Well fuck it, Im not going to use AVRs forever
[15:59:33] <specing> I'll need it for ARMs and FPGAs anyway
[15:59:35] <OndraSter> don't be a cheapo
[15:59:54] <OndraSter> buy an AVR Dragon for $50 if you want JTAG, if you want just to flash then Tom's programmer for $23
[16:01:52] <specing> FT232H is only 5$
[16:02:47] <OndraSter> plus board + all the shizz around it
[16:02:56] <OndraSter> and AVR has Atmel Studio!
[16:09:27] <specing> irrelevant
[16:11:15] <OndraSter> drgreenthumb, what about xmega256a3u? :P
[16:11:16] <OndraSter> http://clip2net.com/s/1ZBps
[16:11:24] <OndraSter> will go "manufacture" hopefuly soon :P
[16:11:40] <OndraSter> once everybody pays all their debts to me and I will have money :P
[16:11:47] <OndraSter> http://clip2net.com/s/1ZBpT
[16:11:53] <OndraSter> I need some animal...
[16:11:56] <OndraSter> tiger was on previous big board
[16:12:01] <OndraSter> now I have small board :D
[16:13:34] <drgreenthumb> OndraSter, that's one of the USB capable ones right? heh I was actually thinking about that. this remote will have a rechargable battery that'll charge over USB. so heh may as well program it over USB too.
[16:13:44] <OndraSter> yep
[16:13:46] <OndraSter> it has builtin USB
[16:13:57] <drgreenthumb> yeah and I've already got Flip set up and working too
[16:14:00] <OndraSter> and I am in love with this chip, it is for less than 5 follars!
[16:14:02] <drgreenthumb> for the mega32u2s
[16:14:06] <OndraSter> dollars*
[16:14:06] <OndraSter> oh
[16:14:17] <OndraSter> 5 bucks for:
[16:14:22] <OndraSter> 256kB flash, 16kB RAM
[16:14:27] <drgreenthumb> nice
[16:14:30] <OndraSter> 32MHz without any external oscillator
[16:14:31] <OndraSter> USB
[16:14:32] <drgreenthumb> that sounds great actually
[16:14:35] <OndraSter> ye
[16:14:37] <drgreenthumb> heh and when? :P
[16:14:43] <drgreenthumb> any word on that?
[16:14:43] <OndraSter> 100000000000 peripherals
[16:14:51] <drgreenthumb> heh don't really care about that
[16:14:54] <OndraSter> well I have the money here, I need the money on my bank account
[16:15:02] <OndraSter> I can get all the parts for board for less than 10€
[16:15:05] <OndraSter> but soldering is a bit pain
[16:15:11] <OndraSter> because it is QFN :)
[16:15:11] <drgreenthumb> oh. heh. I thought you meant it was not available yet.
[16:15:19] <OndraSter> the chip is available
[16:15:31] <OndraSter> and it is new revG sillicon which should have most of the bugs fixed
[16:15:34] <OndraSter> which is awesome
[16:15:46] <drgreenthumb> oh your board goes to manufature. not the chip. gotcha.
[16:15:51] <OndraSter> yeah
[16:15:55] <OndraSter> CapnKernel will be supplying those :)
[16:16:24] <OndraSter> then order the bits'n'pieces
[16:16:33] <OndraSter> the BOM is fairly small... just... a LOT of caps
[16:16:36] <OndraSter> decoupling!
[16:17:24] <drgreenthumb> heh and it even comes in TQFP shape. love it.
[16:17:33] <OndraSter> but the TQFP costs almost 50% more :)
[16:17:36] <drgreenthumb> digikey has em
http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/ATXMEGA256A3U-AU/ATXMEGA256A3U-AU-ND/3046477
[16:17:36] <OndraSter> thus I went for QFN
[16:17:43] <OndraSter> mouser too
[16:17:45] <drgreenthumb> digikey same price
[16:17:49] <drgreenthumb> QFN or TQFP
[16:17:50] <OndraSter> and mouser doesn't want 40€ for shipping
[16:18:03] <OndraSter> mouser is cheaper for 1pcs
[16:18:04] <drgreenthumb> QFN probably fits nicer on that small board of yours
[16:18:09] <OndraSter> yeah
[16:18:15] <OndraSter> I don't remember the size of TQFP, but QFN is 9x9
[16:18:16] <OndraSter> mm
[16:18:29] <drgreenthumb> heh my remote control board will be huge, so no probs there
[16:18:38] <OndraSter> 14x14mm is TQFP
[16:18:41] <OndraSter> with .8mm pitch
[16:18:49] <drgreenthumb> kiddie play :)
[16:18:53] <OndraSter> QFN is 9x9mm with .5mm
[16:19:13] <drgreenthumb> now that scares me a bit :P
[16:19:17] <OndraSter> hmm my dad was supposed to come today with his broken computer that needs cleaning inside and reinstall operating system
[16:19:21] <OndraSter> and microwave
[16:19:28] <OndraSter> which I suppose one could turn into reflow oven
[16:19:31] <drgreenthumb> solder paste is so magical though, it's probably pretty easy
[16:19:32] <OndraSter> which would be nice for this
[16:20:27] <drgreenthumb> I need a better loupe. I have to get super close with mine and I block the light. so I have to bring the light next to my head :/
[16:20:36] <drgreenthumb> gets hot
[16:21:15] <drgreenthumb> I have one of those super dorky ones that straps to my head :P
[16:21:34] <OndraSter> hehe
[16:23:35] <OndraSter> I wish they would have used rather 32kB RAM + 1kB EEPROM instead of 16kB RAM + 4kB EEPROM :P
[16:24:21] <specing> or 64kB ram and 0kB eeprom
[16:25:18] <OndraSter> or that
[16:25:35] <OndraSter> it is cheaper to get external EEPROM which doesn't need to be superduper fast
[16:29:55] <drgreenthumb> eeprom is pretty useless. heh I was thinking of putting a little logo in there to display when my system starts.
[16:32:21] <specing> Hmm
[16:32:36] <specing> How does one do 0.5 mm pitch QFPs at home?
[16:32:42] <OndraSter> hotair :)
[16:32:48] <specing> Actually
[16:33:05] <specing> How does one do a 0.5 mm pitch QFP PCB at home?
[16:33:21] <OndraSter> in Eagle
[16:33:28] * specing slaps OndraSter
[16:33:32] <OndraSter> :P
[16:33:49] <OndraSter> then asks CapnKernel or iTead or whoever if they could manufacture them :P
[16:34:05] <specing> I only got the 0.8 pitch board in the second attempy
[16:34:23] <OndraSter> one of my friends is running tracks below 0603 resistors
[16:34:26] <OndraSter> with home PCBs
[16:34:57] <antto> does anyone have a clue or knows some example code for obtaining serial port names on mac osx?
[16:34:58] <OndraSter> I have got bad printer, I can't do much below 1mm pitch
[16:35:13] <OndraSter> and only on horizontal, on vertical it is really bad
[16:35:21] <OndraSter> the printer is great, but not for PCBs
[16:36:05] <specing> antto: type in /dev/tty, then destroy the <tab> button
[16:36:32] <OndraSter> mac os x has /dev/ttyX as well? :o
[16:36:39] <specing> I have no clue
[16:36:42] <OndraSter> I thought they had it somehow more user friendly!
[16:36:47] <antto> specing: i meant C or C++ code
[16:37:01] <specing> antto: magic
[16:37:21] <antto> k
[16:37:27] <specing> I only know that PySerial does it very well
[16:37:31] <specing> <3 Python
[16:37:41] <OndraSter> <3 .NET
[16:37:43] <OndraSter> :P
[16:37:48] * specing slaps OndraSter
[16:37:58] <OndraSter> next saturday = me @ MS @ .NET micro framework talks
[16:38:18] <OndraSter> monday = me @ MS @ picking up Lumia 710/800 for free :P
[16:38:46] <OndraSter> next tuesday = me @ MS @ Windows 8 development talks (most likely)
[16:38:58] <OndraSter> last thursday = me @ MS @ WP7 development talks :D :D
[16:39:08] <OndraSter> so... yeah
[16:39:09] <OndraSter> I am MS person
[16:39:24] <antto> today = me wants to know how to list serial port names in mac osx (C)
[16:39:29] <antto> ;]
[16:41:07] <antto> afaik it appears something like /dev/usb-serial.<some_numbers_and_letters_here>
[16:42:37] <Kev> .net is fairly decent, yeah
[16:43:38] <specing> antto: PySerial
[16:43:46] <specing> antto: Python is the way
[16:44:02] <antto> no, thanks
[16:44:19] <drgreenthumb> heh pyserial does make it pretty easy
[16:44:32] <antto> i was just running away from that ;]
[16:45:19] <specing> Ha
[17:24:12] <abcminiuser__> Admid it, you all love my new build system
[17:24:16] <abcminiuser__> *admit
[17:26:04] <OndraSter> :)
[17:26:37] <abcminiuser__> I'm actually astonished it works as well as it does
[17:26:45] <abcminiuser__> Should have written my own makefiles years ago
[17:26:54] <abcminiuser__> 40 * 1000 lines down to 40 * 40 lines
[17:26:56] <OndraSter> yeah, you should have! :P
[17:26:56] <Tom_itx> well pat yourself on the back
[17:26:58] <OndraSter> wow
[17:27:03] <OndraSter> not bad
[17:28:12] <abcminiuser__> Tom_itx, just include LUFA/Build/lufa.backpat.in and then run make pat_back
[17:28:18] <abcminiuser__> If you need help, run make help
[17:28:27] <OndraSter> that is the easter egg? :P
[17:29:28] <abcminiuser__> Hrm, I should put one in
[17:29:47] <abcminiuser__> I was going to make it randomly swap out the help text, but random and make do not go well together
[17:30:01] <OndraSter> eh
[17:30:04] <OndraSter> random make!
[17:30:24] <OndraSter> I prefer random errors :P
[17:35:14] <RikusW> heisenbugs ?
[19:44:58] <drgreenthumb> heh finally. got RLE compression working in libtga.
[19:45:12] <drgreenthumb> it's so silly, there's this function TGAReadScanlines(...) which seems perfect
[19:45:25] <drgreenthumb> but if you pass a range other than the full size of the image, RLE compression is broken :P
[19:45:53] <drgreenthumb> RLE: quite possibly the dumbest compression algo ever? I think!
[19:46:26] <drgreenthumb> oh heh also he had fseek() tied to the row you were requesting. so it seeked randomly into RLE compressed data. freaking brilliant.
[19:47:25] <OndraSter> so did I mention that there are full MS-DOS 6.0 sources on piratebay? lol
[19:47:45] <OndraSter> probably the oldest closed source source code I managed to get my hands on
[19:50:10] <OndraSter> gn
[23:51:03] <inflex> hey folks
[23:51:10] <CapnKernel> hi
[23:56:22] <inflex> well, that was excitin :p
