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[03:29:32] <OndraSter> mornin!
[03:29:39] <OndraSter> wassup with abcmu!
[03:29:48] <OndraSter> CapnKernel1, so how many spiders are there in australia? :)
[03:30:30] <OndraSter> I'm not sure I could live in AUS... I hate spiders and insects :D
[03:32:51] <OndraSter> I thought there are no insect in NZ
[03:38:55] <nevyn> an ecosystem without insects would be... difficult.
[03:39:33] <Tom_itx> what about humans?
[03:41:17] <OndraSter> anyway, do you use 100R resistors on JTAG or not?
[03:42:17] <Tom_itx> for what?
[03:42:21] <Tom_itx> and why?
[03:42:24] <OndraSter> no idea, they seeem to use them sometimes
[03:42:32] <Tom_itx> who's they?
[03:42:34] <OndraSter> it is not in any of the appnotes from atmel
[03:42:37] <OndraSter> the internet
[03:42:47] <OndraSter> now I am thinking because it is they connect 5V LPT to 3.3V systems
[03:42:48] <Tom_itx> atmel is da boss
[03:43:09] <Tom_itx> could be
[03:43:12] <Tom_itx> or could it be?
[03:43:48] <Tom_itx> you expect a respectable answer at 3:30 am?
[03:44:34] <OndraSter> 9:33 - 11:33 for europeans
[03:44:39] <OndraSter> 19:33 for aussies
[03:45:41] <Tom_itx> are you gonna run it at 3.3v?
[03:46:01] <Tom_itx> or is it a 3.3v part..
[03:46:10] <Tom_itx> xmega is 3.3v
[03:46:17] <Tom_itx> dunno about avr32
[03:46:48] <OndraSter> it's all 3VE
[03:46:50] <OndraSter> 3V3
[03:46:56] <OndraSter> so is Dragon
[03:47:01] <OndraSter> well Dragon is anything you want
[03:47:18] <OndraSter> anyway, appearantly they are not needed
[03:47:28] <Tom_itx> my dragon is tame
[03:51:30] <Tom_itx> i thought you had your board wired already
[03:54:08] <OndraSter> which one -.-
[03:54:20] <OndraSter> I had, but I found out that appearantly PDI & Dragon on PDI&JTAG chips is a no no
[03:54:40] <OndraSter> so I need to fit there JTAG connector somewhere
[03:54:45] <OndraSter> not gonna be fun!
[03:54:50] <Tom_itx> aww
[03:54:54] <Tom_itx> i bet you can do it
[03:54:57] <OndraSter> so do I
[03:55:01] <OndraSter> I will move the chip to the left
[03:55:05] <OndraSter> I found a place :)
[03:55:13] <OndraSter> maybe the vreg can go right below the USB port too
[03:55:30] <OndraSter> but I like the way the pins are on xmega..
[03:55:42] <OndraSter> PA0 PA1 ... PA7 .. power ... PB0 ..PB7 .. power
[03:55:58] <OndraSter> not something like ARM with PA0 PA3 power PA27 PA2
[03:56:00] <Tom_itx> what chip is this?
[03:56:02] <OndraSter> (some ARMs)
[03:56:08] <OndraSter> xmega256a3u
[03:56:14] <Tom_itx> k
[03:56:18] <OndraSter> for $5.10!!
[03:56:27] <Tom_itx> i stared a xmega board but haven't finished it
[03:56:38] <Tom_itx> i got alot of boards started though
[03:56:44] <OndraSter> heh
[03:56:48] <OndraSter> I have got a lot of ideas :D
[03:56:50] <OndraSter> some even in Eagle
[03:57:21] <Tom_itx> i've been slowly working on my cnc though
[03:57:25] <Tom_itx> updating it a bit
[03:57:26] <OndraSter> wow cnc
[03:57:38] <Tom_itx> small one
[03:57:43] <OndraSter> I think I could get up
[03:57:44] <OndraSter> brb
[03:58:50] <Tom_itx> been building a new (surplus) power supply for the new drivers:
http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/psu/psu_index.php
[04:04:48] <OndraSter> wow
[04:05:03] <OndraSter> are those caps pressed on their sides?
[04:05:10] <OndraSter> they look deformed
[04:05:19] <OndraSter> or is it just shadow
[04:12:14] <inflex> no, that's what they do look like sometimes, it's normal
[04:14:54] <OndraSter> oh
[05:53:31] <OndraSter> when I yesterday said "I don't have any space for JTAG connector"
[05:53:32] <OndraSter> I lied.
[05:53:33] <OndraSter> http://clip2net.com/s/1W9oy
[05:55:29] <Steffanx> liar!
[05:55:42] <Sordna> theres always room.
[05:56:00] <Steffanx> but it's a waste of pins when you don't need it OndraSter :P
[05:56:12] <Steffanx> and headers
[05:56:16] <OndraSter> well I might need it
[05:57:03] <OndraSter> hmm C4 is missing!
[05:57:08] <OndraSter> SOMEBODY STOLE C4!
[05:57:30] <Steffanx> boom
[05:58:20] <OndraSter> nvm, I found it
[06:00:03] <Sordna> "Where is kaboom? There was supposed to be an earth shattering KABOOM! That creature has stolen the space modulator!"
[06:07:45] <drgreenthumb> abcminiuser! there you are. question: can RNDIS be hooked up to a gateway and route packets between AVR and the internets?
[06:08:52] <drgreenthumb> connected to a little Tomato router would be ideal ;) but I could run a gateway on a server pc.
[06:09:16] <drgreenthumb> or does this only work in Windows world?
[06:10:04] <drgreenthumb> oh wait no I see form the txt that it does work in recent Linux too. nice.
[06:19:06] <OndraSter> abcminiuser, good thing you are here =)
[06:19:46] <OndraSter> I think I have another bug in AS6 :D
[06:19:54] <OndraSter> actually two, but I meanwhile forgot the other one
[06:20:14] <OndraSter> (note to myself - one is related to I flag with AVR simulator)
[06:27:18] <abcminiuser> OndraSter, sorry was in shower
[06:27:39] <abcminiuser> Then got mesmerised by my electric shaver's automatic cleaning system, it's freaking awesome
[06:27:40] <OndraSter> sorry, eating :)
[06:28:04] <abcminiuser> Totally worth the money, if only for the cool "press button and watch it auto-dunk the shaver into cleaning fluid and clean it" feature
[06:28:38] <abcminiuser> ^ Yes, you can internets with it if you use a USB RNDIS compliant modem/router and uIP
[06:34:57] <drgreenthumb> cool thanks abcminiuser. I nearly have a low level driver working for
http://search.digikey.com/us/en/products/MRF24J40MA-I%2FRM/MRF24J40MA-I%2FRM-ND/1867972
[06:36:02] <drgreenthumb> so I'm thinking: hook it up to your RNDIS driver with uIP and make some wireless gadgets :)
[06:46:09] <OndraSter> abcminiuser, simply said - simulator doesn't react on SEI instruction - tried either via sei(); directly from C or via asm volatile("sei\r\n"); - after this the I flag is NOT set
[06:46:13] <OndraSter> and the interrupts do not fire up
[06:46:26] <OndraSter> but when I set it manually in IO view, it works fine
[06:46:36] <OndraSter> tried simulating few megas, xmegas
[06:46:45] <OndraSter> AS6
[06:51:30] <OndraSter> I didn't manage to catch anybody with AS6 so he could confirm it, but it doesn't happen on AS5.1
[06:51:54] <drgreenthumb> oh heh no wonder this isn't working: Data: 4895 bytes (478.0% Full)
[06:51:55] <OndraSter> btw, as I wrote you about the dragon issues, I got email later from Atmel saying that they have more reports of this happening
[06:52:40] * drgreenthumb wonders why the RNDIS example needs so much memory
[06:53:05] <drgreenthumb> guess I need a bigger AVR to make this work :)
[06:56:32] <abcminiuser> OndraSter, back
[06:56:38] <abcminiuser> What device is the I bit broken for?
[06:56:41] <OndraSter> all
[06:57:03] <abcminiuser> Hrm, can't imagine that slipped through release testing, email it to me and I'll confirm on Monday
[06:57:07] <OndraSter> I tried it on mega32, some mega2560, then xmega32a4 I think and xmega256a3? not remember
[06:57:08] <OndraSter> okay
[06:57:50] <OndraSter> http://clip2net.com/page/m12051/28559391
[06:58:00] <OndraSter> it is right after the SEI instruction stopped but I flag is not set
[06:58:37] <OndraSter> then I made just void main() { sei(); while(1) {}} test
[06:58:38] <OndraSter> and sam thing
[06:58:39] <OndraSter> same
[07:00:37] <abcminiuser> OndraSter, works for me on the MEGA16
[07:00:44] <abcminiuser> Lemme try on the MEGA32
[07:00:48] <OndraSter> in AS6?
[07:01:14] <abcminiuser> Yes, MEGA32 works too
[07:01:19] <OndraSter> duh
[07:01:21] <abcminiuser> Release build of AS6
[07:01:36] <OndraSter> why do I keep having these issues
[07:01:37] <OndraSter> only me!
[07:02:10] <OndraSter> avrdbg is for me broken that much, that after one problem it with it the as will stop responding and killing is not possible, launching new instance is not possible.. and I have to reboot
[07:02:26] <OndraSter> that after one problem with it*
[07:02:30] <abcminiuser> OndraSter, I'd try a full reinstall
[07:02:36] <OndraSter> most likely
[07:02:39] <OndraSter> uninstall all previous ASs
[07:03:02] <abcminiuser> Yeah, completely uninstall all versions, then just install AS6 release
[07:03:04] <OndraSter> ok, reboot
[07:14:00] <OndraSter> hah and I have remembered the other bug
[07:14:05] <OndraSter> but first reinstall all ASes
[07:18:53] * abcminiuser is going out for an hour or two
[07:19:04] <abcminiuser> Leave a PM if you need to in the meantime
[07:21:16] <OndraSter> sure
[07:42:57] <OndraSter> okay, removed all atmel 5.1/4.19/6.0
[07:53:38] <OndraSter> abcminiuser, may I ask, how did you launch the application with the SEI test? :P
[07:53:48] <OndraSter> if I do "start debugging and break"
[07:53:54] <OndraSter> and then step
[07:53:55] <OndraSter> with F11
[07:53:59] <OndraSter> it does NOT set the I flag
[07:54:22] <OndraSter> but if I set breakpoint after the SEI (or before) and do F5 (regular start debugging) it GETS set
[07:58:43] <OndraSter> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cF9HEhGgYY&feature=youtu.be
[07:58:46] <OndraSter> here
[07:58:59] <OndraSter> give it a second to appear in higher resolution
[07:59:44] <Steffanx> It's a private video OndraSter ..
[07:59:50] <OndraSter> oh you can't see it?
[07:59:54] <Steffanx> Nope
[08:00:04] <CapnKernel1> OndraSter: You live in Europe. Europe has wolves.
[08:00:07] <OndraSter> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cF9HEhGgYY
[08:00:08] <OndraSter> and now?
[08:00:14] <Steffanx> better
[08:00:16] <OndraSter> k
[08:01:55] <OndraSter> is it just me or is it really broken?
[08:02:09] <OndraSter> CapnKernel1, when are you going to the Shenzen again? Next week already? :)
[08:02:16] <CapnKernel1> Yes
[08:02:34] <CapnKernel1> My wolf comment was regarding what you said about Australia and spiders :-)
[08:02:51] <OndraSter> heh
[08:03:08] <specing> I haven't seen a wolf in the wild yet
[08:03:23] <specing> And I live 50m away from the forest
[08:03:23] <Steffanx> No wolves here :)
[08:03:26] <CapnKernel1> In theory, scary. In real life, you're more at risk from what's in your fridge.
[08:04:03] <CapnKernel1> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Wolf_distr.gif
[08:05:29] <Tom_itx> i've seen several here
[08:07:18] <OndraSter> we don't have wolves
[08:07:28] <OndraSter> if you take a look at the map :)
[08:07:37] <OndraSter> CZE is marked as extirpated
[08:08:07] <OndraSter> so that AS6 bug, nobody knows whether it is me or whether it is bug? :)
[08:09:20] <Tom_itx> i think it's you
[08:09:24] <Tom_itx> :)
[08:09:45] <OndraSter> ;)
[08:10:05] <OndraSter> F11 should process the instruction or the line it is on right now in case of C and progress to the next one, right?
[08:10:09] <Tom_itx> but i have no facts to base that on
[08:10:26] <Tom_itx> OndraSter, i haven't loaded as6
[08:10:35] <Tom_itx> i downloaded it yesterday
[08:10:37] <OndraSter> it is in AS5.1 the same thing, the F11, F5 etc
[08:10:39] <OndraSter> buttons
[08:10:52] <Tom_itx> all i use those for is testing
[08:10:54] <specing> CapnKernel1: they are here
[08:10:58] <specing> CapnKernel1: somewhere...
[08:12:14] <specing> CapnKernel1: sometimes not everything you eat is safe:
http://imgur.com/r/gifs/rloAs
[08:12:18] <specing> :)
[08:12:48] <specing> NSFW^
[08:13:18] <CapnKernel1> You've obviously never seen birth.
[08:14:55] <specing> CapnKernel1: wasps lay their eggs in live paralized worms, they get eaten alive
[08:15:01] <specing> AFAIK
[08:17:04] <OndraSter> specing, what's nsfw about that? :)
[08:17:51] <specing> OndraSter: idk, I just felt like labeling it that way
[08:18:09] <OndraSter> do you want to know what is classified as NSFW? :)
[08:18:19] <Tom_itx> wasn't her personality coming out?
[08:18:29] <CapnKernel1> The need to keep your host alive leads to the wasp larva's eternal dilemma: Whether to eat through the red blood vessel, or the blue one.
[08:18:41] <OndraSter> :D
[08:19:49] <RikusW> lol
[08:20:02] <Tom_itx> it's good to stray occasionally but my hope is that this doesn't turn into another #electronics
[08:21:43] <OndraSter> I want to go to Hawaii... but I should beware of the black smoke!
[08:21:48] <OndraSter> and for crashing planes :P
[08:21:56] <OndraSter> and remember to enter the buttons!
[08:22:03] <specing> Tom_itx: Don't worry, we are far away from exceeding the critical mass needed
[08:23:55] <Tom_itx> i know
[08:24:01] <Tom_itx> i carry a fair size stick
[08:24:23] <Tom_itx> but try to use it sparingly
[08:25:40] <Tom_itx> that looked like a scene from alien though
[08:26:15] <specing> Tom_itx: It was exactly that
[08:26:25] <OndraSter> Tom_itx, yesterday you asked me "no JTAG?"
[08:26:26] <OndraSter> so.. there you go
[08:26:27] <OndraSter> http://clip2net.com/s/1WaVG
[08:26:28] <OndraSter> :P
[08:26:38] <specing> from the cargoship "Nostromo" I think
[08:27:30] <Tom_itx> OndraSter, is that usb or ethernet on the left?
[08:27:37] <Tom_itx> why such a bigass connector?
[08:27:38] <OndraSter> usb type B
[08:27:42] <OndraSter> BECAUSE I LIKE USB B! :P
[08:27:45] <OndraSter> and hate mini/microUSB
[08:28:08] <Tom_itx> you could have gotten it down to a standard wide dip though
[08:28:15] <Tom_itx> .6"
[08:28:17] <OndraSter> this is .8"
[08:28:20] <OndraSter> well..
[08:28:45] <Tom_itx> have you ever tried rotating the chip 45 deg?
[08:28:52] <OndraSter> yep
[08:28:55] <OndraSter> on both sides
[08:29:00] <OndraSter> it sucked
[08:29:06] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/boards/atmega32u4/atmega32u4_1.jpg
[08:29:10] <Tom_itx> not really
[08:29:14] <OndraSter> I remember that picture :)
[08:29:24] <OndraSter> but because on the top header are pins from both left, right and top, it is bad idea
[08:29:25] <Tom_itx> that's .6" spacing
[08:29:28] <OndraSter> same for bottom
[08:29:33] <OndraSter> your chip is 7x7mm right?
[08:29:34] <OndraSter> mine is 9x9
[08:29:42] <Tom_itx> mine is qfn too
[08:29:47] <OndraSter> but smaller
[08:31:38] <OndraSter> the USB B connector is way more solid
[08:31:47] <OndraSter> the miniUSBs like to break
[08:31:51] <OndraSter> microUSB I feel like I break
[08:32:06] <Steffanx> No, not again :P
[08:32:09] <OndraSter> :P
[08:32:19] <Tom_itx> you are just too damn hard on equipment
[08:32:29] <OndraSter> I expect it to withstand something
[08:32:35] <OndraSter> I broke two miniUSBs on HTC Kaiser
[08:32:37] <OndraSter> TWO!
[08:32:47] <Tom_itx> doesn't mean you need to fatigue test it every time
[08:32:54] <RikusW> Thats why I used USB B on my board...
[08:33:18] <Tom_itx> my first programmers used B
[08:33:26] <OndraSter> my Dragon uses B
[08:33:27] <Tom_itx> i didn't care for it so much
[08:33:33] * abcminiuser has returned
[08:33:38] <OndraSter> abcminiuser, check PM
[08:33:39] <Steffanx> dudum...
[08:33:57] <RikusW> OndraSter: but the dragon use smd USB B...
[08:34:05] <OndraSter> so?
[08:34:27] <RikusW> I think the troughhole one is better attached to the pcb
[08:34:37] <OndraSter> yes
[08:34:39] <OndraSter> way better
[08:36:25] <Steffanx> blabla
[08:36:52] <Tom_itx> i've had no complaints or problems with mine
[08:37:03] <Tom_itx> gone thru a few hundred now
[08:37:33] <Steffanx> It's just something that's "between his ears" Tom_itx
[08:37:41] <Tom_itx> a gap?
[08:37:44] * RikusW got 4x m168PA-PU from RS, about 2 Euro each
[08:37:53] <Steffanx> No, in his head :)
[08:38:07] <Tom_itx> so it's inside... it could still be a gap
[08:38:15] <Steffanx> Possibly, yes
[08:38:25] <specing> RikusW: 368 are only like 5 cents more
[08:38:44] <Steffanx> 328
[08:38:49] <RikusW> specing: at RS its like 4 Euro...
[08:38:54] <OndraSter> 4€
[08:38:55] <OndraSter> holy cow
[08:39:04] <RikusW> for the 328p
[08:39:08] <Steffanx> Only in India OndraSter
[08:39:18] <OndraSter> ah
[08:39:32] <RikusW> so I got 2x m324a too for 3E each
[08:40:01] * RikusW have an AVR collection for testing his programmer
[08:55:12] <specing> ATmega328 is 1.7 Eur on mouser....
[08:57:35] <RikusW> seems like I've been overcharged then ? :-/
[08:57:50] <specing> By quite a margin
[08:58:03] <specing> Now if only mouser wouldn't take 5min to load
[08:58:35] <jerro> Hi, does anyone here know if it is possible to use an address of a global C variable in inline assembly with avr-gcc? Say I have a global bar and would like to do something like sts bar, lo(42)
[08:58:37] <RikusW> well the old m32 cost like 8E and m162 like 12E from another supplier... thats crazy...
[08:59:23] <specing> jerro: yes, look at avr-libc's inline assembly guide, the section about inline asm constraints
[09:01:07] <specing> RikusW: And that is the pdip version that costs 1.7E
[09:01:19] <specing> -MU one is 1.63
[09:01:54] * RikusW don't want mu for now...
[09:02:11] <RikusW> I'll try soldering that later
[09:02:28] <RikusW> and it needs a pcb to for 0.5mm pitch too...
[09:03:11] <specing> RikusW:
http://eu.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Atmel/ATMEGA328-PU/?qs=lwdSMh1%2foYLcG0%2fEK87hwvl01IR3EUGQ
[09:03:25] <jerro> specing: which constraint should I use? asm volatile("sts %0, lo(42)" : : "N" (&bar)) doesn't work. I'd like to use sts, not st.
[09:04:21] <RikusW> specing: what do they ask for m324a on there ?
[09:04:48] <RikusW> its got a nice 40pin dip package
[09:05:52] <specing> jerro: Have you tried v,n?
[09:09:37] <jerro> specing: doesn't work either
[09:10:14] <specing> jerro: O?
[09:14:47] <jerro> specing: apparently I can just write asm volatile("sts bar, lo(42)"), lol
[09:17:44] <specing> heh
[09:17:57] <specing> RikusW: 3.10
[09:18:09] <RikusW> about what I paid for it
[09:18:34] <RikusW> its nice if you need more io than the 328 have
[09:19:29] <RikusW> m644pa was 4E
[09:37:57] <OndraSter> enough with AS6 bugs :)
[09:38:03] <OndraSter> back to Eagle
[09:38:14] <seba-> if the crystal is dead
[09:38:37] <OndraSter> (btw my DRAM read&write&refresh work just awesome, about 10% CPU load @ 8MHz to refresh whole memory, 512kB)
[09:38:40] <seba-> will ISP work?
[09:38:50] <OndraSter> depends on CKSEL fuses
[09:39:05] <seba-> well it worked without setting to crystal
[09:39:11] <seba-> when i've selected the crystal
[09:39:15] <seba-> it stopped working
[09:39:18] <OndraSter> ..
[09:39:33] <OndraSter> if you set it to use external xtal which is not happening, the device has nowhere to get clock from
[09:39:44] <OndraSter> (lucky xmegas that start always on 2MHz RC oscillator! :P)
[09:39:49] <seba-> yes but there is an xtal, maybe it doesn't work
[09:40:01] <OndraSter> do you have got there loading capacitors?
[09:40:06] <seba-> yes
[09:40:07] <OndraSter> what speed is the xtal?
[09:40:23] <seba-> well it worked everything, but then i've fried the mcu by accident, now i've replaced the chip
[09:40:28] <RikusW> and what is lfuse set to ?
[09:40:28] <seba-> put the same settings
[09:41:20] <RikusW> and what hex value would that be ?
[09:41:46] <RikusW> and what avr ?
[09:41:49] <seba-> lfuse 0xff
[09:41:57] <seba-> hfuse 0xd8
[09:42:04] <seba-> efuse 0x04
[09:42:07] <seba-> atmega324a
[09:43:27] <RikusW> what voltage do you use ?
[09:43:44] <RikusW> seems you set brownout at 4.3V
[09:43:59] <seba-> yes
[09:44:49] <RikusW> and your clock fuses are set for >=8MHz crystal
[09:45:22] <seba-> yes
[09:45:26] <seba-> it's a 8 MHz crystal
[09:45:53] <seba-> RikusW, could i see with an oscilloscope if it works
[09:45:57] <seba-> or it's too high impedance
[09:46:42] <RikusW> you should be able to
[09:47:26] <seba-> oh it started to work
[09:47:29] <seba-> lol
[09:47:42] <RikusW> why did you set BOD so high ?
[09:48:10] <seba-> i don't know, kind of a noob
[09:48:23] <seba-> can you explain to me what exactly happens with brownout detection? :)
[09:48:31] <seba-> i understand what brownout means
[09:48:31] <RikusW> and efuse should be 0xFC instead, the high bits is reserved... (maybe it will read as FC anyways when setting as 04)
[09:48:50] <RikusW> when VCC goes below 4.3V it resets the AVR
[09:49:07] <RikusW> (4.3V or whatever you set in the fuses
[09:49:50] <specing> http://hackaday.com/2012/05/18/printing-circuitry-on-a-reprap/
[09:50:15] <RikusW> sounds nice
[09:50:36] <seba-> oh
[09:50:37] <seba-> ok
[09:54:19] <seba-> oh lol
[09:54:22] <seba-> it works
[09:54:25] <seba-> just the LED is dead
[09:54:26] <seba-> :))
[09:54:28] <OndraSter> http://clip2net.com/s/1WbT5
[09:54:30] <OndraSter> I don't like this!
[09:54:33] <OndraSter> I LIKE MY BIG USB B!
[09:56:34] <seba-> oh hm
[09:56:37] <Steffanx> Make the board at least a cm smaller OndraSter :P
[09:56:43] <Steffanx> 0.5
[09:56:45] <OndraSter> on the left? that was the plan
[09:56:45] <seba-> i can see the waveform on the oscilloscope of the crystal
[09:56:46] <seba-> cool
[09:56:57] <OndraSter> but
[09:56:59] <OndraSter> it is ugly :(
[09:57:09] <Steffanx> Whatever OndraSter
[09:57:11] <OndraSter> :D
[09:57:51] <seba-> oh
[09:57:59] <seba-> it's 8 MHz hm ok crystal works
[09:58:41] <RikusW> seba-: you know to high a ISP clock can cause problems too ?
[09:59:03] <seba-> RikusW, what does that mean?
[09:59:20] <RikusW> programming clock for ISP
[09:59:38] <seba-> well it works now
[09:59:48] <RikusW> 115kbps its generally a safe value
[10:00:03] <seba-> i do it at 19.2
[10:11:19] <OndraSter> abcminiuser, ah I have one question, about PDI support on Dragon on the new a3u chips
[10:11:36] <OndraSter> the Release Notes for AS6 talk about revA-E of A3/D3 chips NOT supporting PDI on Dragon
[10:11:42] <OndraSter> but nothing about A3U chips that are in revG?
[10:11:43] <abcminiuser> Indeed
[10:11:53] <OndraSter> do those work?
[10:12:18] <abcminiuser> Honesly I don't know the exact reason for it, IIRC it was something about the PDI timing or something on those devices that broke it
[10:12:23] * RikusW guess its a dragon limitation...
[10:12:39] <abcminiuser> In general my personal feeling is that PDI is a bit janky on the Dragon, but I haven't used it much
[10:12:43] <OndraSter> ok
[10:12:47] <OndraSter> I am bringing out both JTAG and PDI
[10:12:52] <OndraSter> the thing is, JTAG blocks four pins :)
[10:12:52] <abcminiuser> My one was "donated" before I tried XMEGAs, and now/at work I use a JTAG ICE
[10:13:03] <abcminiuser> Try it, it might well work
[10:14:16] <OndraSter> the thing is - AVRISP mkII supports only PDI but if Dragon supports only JTAG, I want to have both broken out in the end :)
[10:19:13] <OndraSter> yep, I am fairly happy with this now...
http://clip2net.com/s/1Wc9Z http://clip2net.com/s/1Wcad
[10:20:13] <Steffanx> What happened with the mini b connector?
[10:20:22] <OndraSter> I removed it
[10:21:05] <Steffanx> You should add something on the silk to so you know how to orientate the header/cable ..
[10:21:10] <Steffanx> -to
[10:21:25] <OndraSter> what header/cable?
[10:21:39] <Steffanx> jtag / pdi
[10:21:42] <OndraSter> oh
[10:21:43] <OndraSter> yeah
[10:22:06] <OndraSter> I thought about that, still without solution :)
[10:22:13] <OndraSter> I wanted to use those full connectors but they are too big
[10:23:04] <Steffanx> Make the first pin a square?
[10:24:26] <Casper> first pin as square, first pin with arrow, first pin with "1"
[10:25:07] <OndraSter> will see
[10:25:20] <Steffanx> We too?
[10:25:40] <OndraSter> maybe
[10:26:57] <Casper> so we exclude the talking person? or we exclude the others?
[10:27:11] <OndraSter> what have you been smoking?
[10:27:51] <Casper> OndraSter: most probably lack of sleep?
[10:28:05] <OndraSter> yours?
[10:28:21] <Casper> who knows
[10:28:40] <Casper> wants my job?
[10:28:47] <Casper> working on a saturday morning
[10:28:53] <Casper> doing computer tech stuff
[10:29:07] <Casper> in other words: I'm doing 2 xp install at the same time
[10:29:11] <Casper> plus a vista one
[10:29:26] <specing> abcminiuser: How many AVRs do you ruin every day at work?
[10:29:32] <OndraSter> Casper, not bad
[10:29:34] <OndraSter> I'd take that
[10:29:34] <specing> abcminiuser: Which ones do you mostly use?
[10:29:36] <OndraSter> how much per hour?
[10:29:39] <abcminiuser> specing, I've killed one so far :P
[10:29:46] <specing> How did you kill it?
[10:30:06] <abcminiuser> specing - accident with our TQFP socket, shorted it out :S
[10:30:15] <specing> ah
[10:30:19] <Casper> OndraSter: not enought
[10:30:35] <abcminiuser> We mostly develop with the XPLAIN boards actually rather than raw chips since ASF needs to run all examples on the kits
[10:30:47] <abcminiuser> But when on support we use STK600s and sample parts
[10:30:58] <abcminiuser> We have roughly one trillion routing cards and sockets for it
[10:32:13] <OndraSter> :D
[10:32:59] <Casper> OndraSter: I actually have to do today: 2x laptop on xp, 2x laptop on vista, 3x tower on xp
[10:33:07] <OndraSter> sooo much woooorrrrkkk!
[10:33:10] <OndraSter> :P
[10:33:19] <OndraSter> click click click <go play Quake>
[10:33:24] <OndraSter> click click click <back to Quake>
[10:33:53] <CapnKernel> OndraSter: When's your exams?
[10:33:55] <Casper> except when the laptop have no drivers yet
[10:34:05] <OndraSter> 25.5. presentation, 28.5. oral
[10:34:11] <specing> For me its scribble scribble scribble <go play xonotic>
[10:34:27] <OndraSter> CapnKernel, do you want work from me or why do you ask? :)
[10:34:43] * CapnKernel wonders why you're playing Quake :-)
[10:34:52] <OndraSter> I am not playing Quake actually
[10:34:53] <Steffanx> Quake is old ..
[10:34:56] <OndraSter> I play either TF2
[10:35:03] <OndraSter> or Portal 2 since now we have bunchload of maps :P
[10:35:52] <CapnKernel> OndraSter: You open sourcing that board?
[10:36:15] <OndraSter> well, there is literally 4 or 5 parts so I am not sure how much open can that go :)
[10:36:24] <OndraSter> how much more*
[10:36:33] <Steffanx> hte pcb design ..
[10:36:50] <OndraSter> just breakout board of xmega256a3u with already finished power
[10:36:52] <OndraSter> and.. that's it
[10:36:54] <OndraSter> hmm
[10:37:00] <Steffanx> Some are lazy you know ..
[10:37:03] <OndraSter> if anybody wants copy it - they can
[10:37:07] <OndraSter> I do not care
[10:37:09] <CapnKernel> Then say it :-)
[10:37:20] <OndraSter> if anybody wants to buy it - I care :)
[10:37:28] <CapnKernel> Good.
[10:37:38] <OndraSter> by parts list I did yesterday I got to 8€ per board I think
[10:37:41] <OndraSter> incl. board itself
[10:37:44] <OndraSter> and all parts
[10:37:59] <CapnKernel> There's a Creative Commons license for you:
http://creativecommons.org/choose/
[10:38:06] <Steffanx> So, we get at least 50% for the help we gave you OndraSter :P
[10:38:11] <OndraSter> :D
[10:38:46] <CapnKernel> You probably want CC-3.0-BY-NC-SA
[10:39:25] <OndraSter> yep
[10:39:29] <CapnKernel> Put your files on Github, include the URL on the PCB, the CC-3.0-BY-NC-SA string, and ideally, the open source hardware logo.
[10:40:17] <CapnKernel> It's not too hard, but I can help you navigate that if you want.
[10:40:28] <OndraSter> after my exams
[10:40:30] <OndraSter> not before
[10:40:39] <OndraSter> -.-
[10:40:43] <CapnKernel> For your 8€ a board, how many are you looking at building?
[10:40:59] <CapnKernel> Before is TF2 time :-)
[10:40:59] <RikusW> Casper: why not automate the installs ?
[10:41:37] <OndraSter> CapnKernel, depends on how long does it take to solder it all together - but considering how many parts is there, not much above that
[10:41:52] <OndraSter> unlike arduino mega that costs, wait for it, 55€ here
[10:42:43] <OndraSter> 48€ on different shop
[10:42:45] <OndraSter> holy cow
[10:42:52] <OndraSter> with mega 2560 on it
[10:43:15] <OndraSter> btw, they use also USB B :P
[10:44:07] <OndraSter> arduino pro mini 328: 15.6€
[10:44:08] <OndraSter> duh
[10:44:18] <OndraSter> that is mega328, 3.3v, 8MHz
[10:44:18] <OndraSter> no USB
[10:44:54] <OndraSter> this is the one I was looking for: arduino nano v3.0 - USB (FT232), mega328
[10:44:57] <OndraSter> 38.4€
[10:51:43] <OndraSter> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIv-qsH40m0
[10:54:25] <OndraSter> I seem to be running out of IDE and FDD cables
[10:54:31] <OndraSter> I always use them when I need some ribbon cable for anything
[10:54:35] <OndraSter> I used to have full box of them..
[10:55:02] * RikusW still got a whole box of those...
[11:00:47] <specing> OndraSter: I found some coloured ribbon cables (14w @ 30cm) at a local store for 30c each
[11:00:56] <specing> It was a nice surprise
[11:01:11] <OndraSter> wow
[11:02:05] <specing> The only problem is that 0.1' female header pins are ridiculously expensive
[11:02:12] <specing> (the break-away ones)
[11:03:02] <RikusW> so I discovered too...
[11:03:33] <RikusW> the crimp to wire ones aren't that bad
[11:04:03] <specing> link?
[11:04:42] <specing> CapnKernel: How much are those pins in china? :P
[11:05:01] <RikusW> specing: search on www.mantech.co.za for YY09CT
[11:05:36] <RikusW> YY09C and YY092C will give the casings
[11:06:10] * RikusW got like 1500 YY09CT for 12Euro
[11:06:54] <specing> lol
[11:07:38] <RikusW> YTS1N and YTS2N should give the female headers
[11:08:17] <RikusW> YVN and YWN the male headers
[11:08:52] <RikusW> and say YRF10 the 10way female to ribbon connector
[11:08:55] <specing> How many ZAR is one EUR?
[11:09:06] <RikusW> about R10/E
[11:10:04] <RikusW> RS delivers for free, so its been a while since I last ordered from mantech
[11:15:10] <RikusW> specing: 1.5mm heatshrink tubing nicely covers those YY09CT connectors
[11:22:50] <Kev> OndraSter you checked on ebay with those super cheap chinese sellers ?
[11:23:00] <OndraSter> about ribbon cables?
[11:23:02] <OndraSter> not yet, still have some
[11:23:26] <OndraSter> plus I can get locally 20 wire ribbon 1m for about $1 I think
[11:23:28] <OndraSter> in the worst case
[11:23:59] <Kev> oh nevermind I thought you wanted an arduino or something
[11:26:01] <specing> Kev: FEMALE HEADER PINS
[11:26:17] <specing> wanted, dead or alive
[11:26:49] <Tom_itx> pc104
[11:26:59] <OndraSter> I'M A COWBOY!
[11:27:04] <OndraSter> on a steel horse I ride!
[11:27:05] <Tom_itx> or sip headers
[11:27:12] <OndraSter> Kev, nah
[11:27:16] <OndraSter> just checking out "competition" :D
[11:27:25] <Kev> specing ebay, takes a while, but much cheaper for me than local
[11:27:47] <Kev> OndraSter you're making your own arduino like thingy ?
[11:27:54] <OndraSter> well
[11:27:56] <OndraSter> breakout board
[11:27:57] <OndraSter> for xmega
[11:28:03] <OndraSter> xmega256a3u
[11:28:12] <OndraSter> goes right into the breadboard!
[11:28:49] <OndraSter> 8 - 8.5€ for board + parts :)
[11:28:50] <OndraSter> per piece
[11:29:09] <Kev> oh nice
[11:29:33] <Kev> made the same thing for mega8/88/168/328
[11:29:51] <OndraSter> mega256a3u is absolutely different calibre :)
[11:29:55] <OndraSter> it is like 9mm vs sniper rifle
[11:33:45] <Kev> yeah I know
[11:33:59] <Kev> I wanted to try, but can't find cheap enough :p
[11:34:19] <OndraSter> I noticed that some xmegas are seriously cheap
[11:34:22] <OndraSter> like the 256a3u
[11:34:24] <OndraSter> considering what all it has..
[11:34:41] <Kev> define "seriously cheap" O_o
[11:34:55] <OndraSter> 3.7€
[11:34:58] <OndraSter> 3.9€*
[11:35:04] <OndraSter> for such a piece of device
[11:35:12] <OndraSter> considering how much are "regular" megas...
[11:35:52] <Kev> url ? :D
[11:35:55] <Kev> please :D
[11:36:00] <OndraSter> mouser.com :)
[11:36:05] <OndraSter> search for atxmega256a3u
[11:38:06] <OndraSter> it is QFN though
[11:38:12] <OndraSter> just a heads up
[11:38:56] <OndraSter> TQFP is +1€ or so
[11:39:16] <Kev> I hate mouser because 20€ shipping for one item.........
[11:39:25] <OndraSter> lucky you, it is 40€ for me :)
[11:39:28] <OndraSter> but I found czech reseller
[11:39:30] <OndraSter> czech + svk
[11:40:36] <Kev> thanks though :)
[11:40:42] <OndraSter> np
[11:45:07] <Casper> wow.... microsoft promote piracy!
[11:45:16] <OndraSter> where?
[11:45:25] <Casper> vista business users are allowed to downgrade to xp pro
[11:45:35] <Casper> their procedure?
[11:45:35] <OndraSter> that was there since day 1 :)
[11:45:36] <OndraSter> I think
[11:45:59] <Sordna> day 3 as I recall..
[11:46:08] <Sordna> after everybody buying machines with vista threw major fits.
[11:46:11] <Casper> find an xp pro cd and product key and use it. if you need to call for activation, do so, else be happy with the wrong key for the machine
[11:47:14] <OndraSter> abcminiuser is hiding =)
[12:06:46] <RikusW> OndraSter: seems like your usb connector is wired correctly ;)
[12:06:57] <OndraSter> why shouldn't it?
[12:07:01] <OndraSter> I already checked against my older board :)
[12:07:09] * RikusW just double checked..
[12:07:20] <RikusW> you have one working already ?
[12:07:34] <OndraSter> different board
[12:07:40] <CapnKernel> specing: Those headers are very cheap.
[12:07:41] <RikusW> same xmega ?
[12:07:42] <OndraSter> I wish I had one ready so I could play with the xmega!
[12:07:43] <OndraSter> no
[12:07:50] <OndraSter> FTDI FT232 is hooked on it
[12:07:55] <OndraSter> but power pins fit :)
[12:14:48] <OndraSter> my bad, I have somewhere missed the price - it is 8,66€
[12:15:12] <OndraSter> (resistors are per 100pcs, capacitors per 50pcs order, but those are 0.000nothing values anyway)
[12:15:59] <OndraSter> (my bad again) - 8.8 - 9€, I forgot about JTAG header :)
[12:22:29] <RikusW> OndraSter: I got those headers for like 0.02E each
[12:22:33] <CapnKernel> OndraSter: We gotta talk about your bill of materials...
[12:22:37] <RikusW> per 100 that is
[12:22:39] <OndraSter> yes, they are 0.011€
[12:22:41] <OndraSter> per one
[12:22:55] <OndraSter> or 0.11€?
[12:22:57] <OndraSter> hmm
[12:23:04] <OndraSter> 0.11€ per one
[12:23:14] <OndraSter> I know, CapnKernel, you can get them cheaply :)
[12:23:51] <RikusW> so I paid 2E for 100
[12:24:13] <CapnKernel> That's about right
[12:37:10] <OndraSter> holy cow, they are selling preprogrammed mega328 with arduino bootloader for
[12:37:12] <OndraSter> wait for it
[12:37:15] <OndraSter> 12.6€!!!!
[12:51:56] <OndraSter> who was the one that wanted pin1 note?
[12:51:56] <OndraSter> http://clip2net.com/s/1We1J
[12:51:58] <OndraSter> better? :P
[12:52:26] <Steffanx> A little
[12:52:46] <OndraSter> goood
[13:42:35] <gidna> Hi
[13:43:59] <gidna> Can I programm AVR with free software under GNU/LINUX ?
[13:48:36] <Steffanx> Yep
[13:48:48] <Steffanx> avr-gcc and avrdude
[14:01:26] <OndraSter_> duh, it is nice to see how "fast" was 386SX :)
[14:01:31] <OndraSter_> 33MHz, 2.9 MIPS
[14:01:36] <specing> Ha
[14:01:43] <OndraSter_> one could make 386SX emulator on Xmega just fine :D
[14:01:48] <OndraSter_> and play Prince!
[14:01:49] <specing> A 3 MHz AVR outperforms it ;P
[14:01:55] <OndraSter_> hmm
[14:02:00] <OndraSter_> now I will have to think about this idea :(
[14:04:43] <OndraSter_> considering that PoP plays on 386SX just fine, I suppose it is possible to do
[14:05:23] <OndraSter_> okay, DOOM is missing few FPS :)
[14:11:40] <Kevin`> OndraSter_: an avr outperforms it, but you'll lose a LOT of that performance from doing the emulation
[14:12:45] <Kevin`> an x86 computer running from a coin cell with a serial terminal would be neat though :)
[14:13:06] <OndraSter_> I think I'd go for 286 tops
[14:13:10] <OndraSter_> protected mode is enough work :D
[14:13:14] <OndraSter_> paging.. ehh
[14:16:49] <specing> I still have an 286 in 64-vqfp :)
[14:16:56] <specing> a 12 MHz one
[14:16:57] <OndraSter_> I have 286 laptop :)
[14:17:02] <specing> Really?
[14:17:04] <OndraSter_> yep
[14:17:04] <specing> LOL
[14:17:18] <OndraSter_> and 286 in some kind of LGA-like socket :D
[14:17:23] <OndraSter_> maybe the vqfp?
[14:17:28] <specing> Did it have a CRT screen?
[14:17:31] <OndraSter_> nope
[14:17:32] <OndraSter_> LCD!
[14:17:35] <specing> wtf
[14:17:38] <specing> when?
[14:17:41] <OndraSter_> no idea
[14:17:57] <OndraSter_> it is on one of the shelves
[14:18:20] <OndraSter_> I'd need to clear the room so I could put chair next to it :)
[14:18:22] <OndraSter_> I am small person :D
[14:18:25] <OndraSter_> I don't reach high
[14:18:37] <Kevin`> OndraSter_: qfp has the pins on the sides. lga is approximately the same as bga (without the balls)
[14:18:50] <OndraSter_> again, it is in one PC on the shelf :)
[14:19:05] <OndraSter_> It is some time since I took it apart the last time
[14:26:22] <Tom_itx> maybe we need to have a design contest here
[14:26:28] <OndraSter_> :D
[14:26:45] <OndraSter_> the problem with emulating 286 - it is CISC :)
[14:26:50] <OndraSter_> decoding instructions is not easy
[14:26:59] <OndraSter_> nor fast
[14:27:16] <OndraSter_> in case of RISC you have usually 8bit instructions so you simply do jumplist...
[14:29:18] <Corwin> emulating 286 using avr? :)
[14:29:23] <OndraSter_> yep
[14:29:50] <OndraSter_> 12.5MHz 286 had 2.66 MIPS
[14:30:07] <OndraSter_> 386SX @ 33MHz had 2.9 MIPS :)
[14:30:18] <OndraSter_> and it plays Prince of Persia just fine
[14:30:22] <OndraSter_> with 4MB RAM
[14:30:33] <Corwin> 1mb ram is more than enough
[14:30:37] <OndraSter_> yep
[14:30:44] <Corwin> remember what bill gates said about 640kb limit :)
[14:30:46] <OndraSter_> :D
[14:30:48] <OndraSter_> right
[14:36:56] <OndraSter_> hmm DOS had 320x200 mode
[14:37:04] <OndraSter_> sounds quite good for 320x240 display :))
[14:37:10] <OndraSter_> they are quite cheap
[14:37:30] <OndraSter_> Corwin, btw, it was not Bill Gates, it was IBM who said it :P
[14:37:37] <Corwin> who cares
[14:37:53] <OndraSter_> Microsoft user does :P
[14:38:12] <Corwin> as long as i have 4gb ram in laptop... who cares about 640kb limit
[14:38:13] <Corwin> :)
[14:38:16] <OndraSter_> ah
[14:38:26] <OndraSter_> laptop has 4GB, tablet has 2GB (tablet PC to be precise), PC has 16GB
[14:38:41] <OndraSter_> and I've already seen "close these apps so the system doesn't crash" (swap off) :(
[14:39:03] <Corwin> yea... windows acts weird when swap off
[14:41:37] <OndraSter_> I thought about 286 emulating after that dude emulated ARM on mega
[14:41:51] <OndraSter_> which is kind of pain, he runs the "emulated CPU" at 10kHz
[14:41:53] <OndraSter_> which is not much
[14:42:09] <Kevin`> just run qemu-system-x86_64 on the emulated arm cpu
[14:42:11] <OndraSter_> but ARMv6 is way more difficult than old 286 IMHO
[14:42:13] <OndraSter_> :D :D
[14:42:19] <OndraSter_> x86:64 >>
[14:42:35] <OndraSter_> I think it is quite doable this thing..
[14:42:43] <OndraSter_> no SIMD instructions, just bare stuff
[14:47:21] <OndraSter_> specing,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:KL_AMD_80286_CLCC_Bottom.jpg
[14:47:23] <OndraSter_> I have got this
[14:47:26] <OndraSter_> just slower speed
[14:47:29] <OndraSter_> (not in the laptop)
[14:47:45] <Corwin> i have 12mhz version :)
[14:47:48] <Corwin> somewhere
[14:47:52] <OndraSter_> yes, it is most likely 12MHz
[14:47:55] <OndraSter_> or 8MHz
[14:48:59] <OndraSter_> it is some Olivetti thingy
[14:49:34] <OndraSter_> it has some DIN25 output for graphics card
[14:49:44] <Corwin> eh?
[14:49:48] <OndraSter_> but you can put there another one into ISA slots and set jumpers so it uses that one
[14:49:54] <Corwin> 25 pins ?
[14:50:01] <OndraSter_> yeah
[14:51:00] <OndraSter_> hah
[14:51:03] <OndraSter_> Olivetti M28
[14:51:05] <OndraSter_> I remembered
[14:51:57] <Corwin> i need cheap ccd camera
[14:52:04] <OndraSter_> for avr?
[14:52:06] <Corwin> yes
[14:52:32] <Corwin> need movement sensor/tracker
[14:52:55] <OndraSter_> http://www.retrocomputing.net/parts/olivetti/M28/DSCN5587.JPG
[14:52:58] <OndraSter_> the thing on the right
[14:53:00] <OndraSter_> that is NOT printer port
[14:53:04] <OndraSter_> that one is on the bottom
[14:53:08] <OndraSter_> (or the opposite?)
[14:53:33] <OndraSter_> duh they have manual there for it, where is full board layout
[14:53:42] <OndraSter_> "interrupt controller" "coprocessor"
[14:53:43] <OndraSter_> wow
[14:54:35] <rue_mohr> it could be serial or scsi
[14:54:46] <OndraSter_> Video adapter jumpers:
[14:54:50] <OndraSter_> - Video adapter only
[14:54:53] <OndraSter_> Video adapter + EGC
[14:54:55] <rue_mohr> or a floppy
[14:54:56] <OndraSter_> External video adapter enable
[14:54:58] <rue_mohr> yea, or video
[14:55:08] <OndraSter_> I have no idea what kind of video that is
[14:55:18] <OndraSter_> that thing weighs almost a ton
[14:55:21] <rue_mohr> prolly rgb
[14:55:22] <OndraSter_> where half of it is the power supply :)
[14:55:42] <OndraSter_> I had it _once_ starting up, but it has DB9 connector for keyboar
[14:55:43] <OndraSter_> d
[14:55:47] <OndraSter_> I bet it is even 12V signalling
[14:55:56] <rue_mohr> I had an rgb converter around
[14:55:57] <OndraSter_> rather DIN9 from AT boards later
[14:56:14] <OndraSter_> clock: 8MHz (4MHz BUS)
[14:56:16] <OndraSter_> wow
[14:56:19] <OndraSter_> RAM access time: 150ns
[14:56:34] <OndraSter_> well, I had 8.2us on the mega with 8MHz for DRAM, so they got me there
[14:56:45] <OndraSter_> but with SRAM it should be just fine
[14:57:09] <OndraSter_> http://www.retrocomputing.net/parts/olivetti/M28/DSCN5589.JPG
[14:57:11] <OndraSter_> yes, it is video
[14:57:21] <OndraSter_> motherboard =)
[14:57:22] <OndraSter_> http://www.retrocomputing.net/parts/olivetti/M28/DSCN5590.JPG
[14:57:22] <Corwin> i still have some SRAM 256kb modules from old 286 :)
[14:57:28] <OndraSter_> so do I
[14:57:32] <OndraSter_> from 486 board
[14:57:39] <OndraSter_> 64kB per chip I think though
[14:57:47] <Corwin> about 50 modules total :)
[14:57:49] <OndraSter_> heh
[14:57:58] <rue_mohr> no its vga compatible
[14:58:10] <rue_mohr> I'm trying to find it, it wasn't super popular
[14:58:23] <OndraSter_> (can't imagine why lol)
[15:00:02] <rue_mohr> uh is it 23 pins or 25?
[15:01:07] <OndraSter_> 25
[15:03:04] <rue_mohr> if you have an oscilloscope and a multimeter you can work it out
[15:03:41] <OndraSter_> bah I'd have to bring it out and I have other things I should worry about
[15:03:53] <Corwin> omg.... looking at ebay for ccd camera module... found harddrive caddy (something else im looking for).... they want $30 for that
[15:04:00] <OndraSter_> Corwin, have you noticed in the news about "higher level of final exams" (vyssi uroven matematiky)? :)
[15:04:05] <OndraSter_> something about*
[15:04:10] <OndraSter_> lol
[15:04:25] <Corwin> yes, seen that news
[15:04:31] <OndraSter_> I was one of the unlucky 1700 :(
[15:04:37] <OndraSter_> who chose it
[15:04:52] <Corwin> hehe
[15:05:35] <Corwin> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Asus-G73-Series-Internal-Hard-Drive-Caddy-2-5-HDD-UK-G73SW-G73JW-G73JH?item=280837021121
[15:05:47] <OndraSter_> LOL
[15:05:47] <Corwin> how that can cost $30 ?
[15:05:50] <rue_mohr> well I know its gonna be rgb, I used to have a cable in the drawr of a dresser that I dont have anymore
[15:06:05] <rue_mohr> I had the monitor too, but they were 8 colour, so I got rid of it
[15:06:14] <rue_mohr> I think it might have been ttl input....
[15:06:23] <rue_mohr> rgb h v and brightness
[15:06:27] <gidna> Whic programmer should I buy to start programmiong AVR?
[15:06:32] <dehuman> tom's
[15:06:34] <OndraSter_> anything that suits your needs
[15:06:37] <OndraSter_> Tom's programmer
[15:06:39] <OndraSter_> for example
[15:06:53] <Corwin> ^ tom's programmer ?
[15:06:58] <OndraSter_> Tom_itx's
[15:07:03] <Corwin> link ?
[15:07:23] <rue_mohr> toms has a unbricking feature for when you screw up your fuses
[15:07:57] <OndraSter_> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/boards/USBTiny_Mkii/USBTiny_Mkii_index.php
[15:07:59] <OndraSter_> this one I think
[15:08:49] <gidna> http://media.digikey.com/photos/Atmel%20Photos/ATAVRISP2.jpg I can't see where'as the socket for the microcontroller
[15:09:08] <OndraSter_> you plug that ribbon cable into your board
[15:09:28] <drgreenthumb> heh I was using Tom's programmer all night last night. great little gadget. and Tom and others in here can help support it :)
[15:10:23] <Corwin> hmm... that looks nice
[15:10:33] <OndraSter_> I should've taken pictures of how I "fixed" the motherboard in my download PC
[15:10:40] <Corwin> wonder if international shiping will be nice too
[15:10:44] <OndraSter_> let's say that all capacitors were bigger than the original ones and didn't fit from the top..
[15:11:47] <drgreenthumb> gidna, what I do is take 6 of these
http://www.sparkfun.com/products/9385 (notice: M/F) and connect them to the programmer and then I can plug it all into my breadboard, along with DIP shaped chips.
[15:12:27] <OndraSter_> that's one option, yes
[15:13:16] <gidna> drgreenthumb, Do you use the same programmer?? Is it fully supported under gnu/linux?
[15:13:34] <drgreenthumb> gidna, I use Tom_itx's
http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/boards/USBTiny_Mkii/USBTiny_Mkii_index.php
[15:13:59] <drgreenthumb> and yeah it works in my Ubuntu with just a few package management installs and a tweak to udev permissions.
[15:14:43] <gidna> atmel doesn't natively support avr under linux..
[15:14:49] <drgreenthumb> gcc-avr avr-libc and avrdude I think were the main packages I needed.
[15:14:57] <drgreenthumb> don't use those ;)
[15:15:02] <drgreenthumb> there's open source solutions
[15:15:56] <drgreenthumb> search your package manager for avr, I bet a lot of stuff comes up.
[15:16:11] <gidna> so which programmer and controller Should i buy to start out?
[15:16:32] <drgreenthumb> get tom's and some atmegas
[15:16:41] <drgreenthumb> easy to work with
[15:17:17] <gidna> which atmega?
[15:17:19] <drgreenthumb> http://www.atmel.com/devices/atmega168.aspx is a nice cheap easy one, and it comes in DIP
[15:20:03] <Corwin> hmm... movement tracking algorithm looks.... complex
[15:20:10] <gidna> drgreenthumb, and to connect the programmer to the breadboard?
[15:25:36] <drgreenthumb> gidna, yeah. the lines can be connected directly
[15:25:37] <drgreenthumb> doh
[15:27:22] <drgreenthumb> btw what was he expecting do you think? ZIF socket? :D
[15:28:00] <OndraSter_> most likely
[15:28:42] <drgreenthumb> heh who needs ISP
[15:28:46] <drgreenthumb> ISP is for suckas!
[15:29:52] <Corwin> ISP... I Suck in Programming ?
[15:29:57] <drgreenthumb> hehe
[15:30:15] <OndraSter_> yep, real guys just print out the intel hex file, connect bunch of wires and buttons, right?
[15:30:25] <drgreenthumb> I bitbang SPI with bare wires!
[15:30:30] <Corwin> :D
[15:31:50] <Corwin> i remember old "school" computer based on 8080 cpu... with hex keyboard for direct instruction entry
[15:33:42] <OndraSter_> :)
[15:33:52] <Corwin> http://www.nostalcomp.cz/slavni.php
[15:33:56] <Corwin> those
[15:34:03] <Corwin> "old" stuff
[15:34:33] <OndraSter_> I like the schematics - one can actually decode them easily
[15:43:31] <OndraSter_> Corwin, you don't happen to have laying "athelp" on your harddrive? It was back from 80s - 90s "DOS application" that had all the information about instructions, peripherals, IOs, ... from 8086 - 486 (P I?) CPUs
[15:44:30] <Corwin> i had sysman on floppy... would be dead by now
[15:44:46] <Corwin> havent used floppy drive for over 10 years now
[15:46:05] <Corwin> OndraSter_, search for Sysman
[15:46:12] <Corwin> on page
http://majkls.pretel.cz/index.php?tm=download&cl=assembler
[15:46:31] <OndraSter_> yay
[15:46:39] <OndraSter_> I've met majkls few times :)
[15:47:58] <OndraSter_> now I hope I have some virtual machine working after the HDD failure
[15:47:58] <OndraSter_> XP VM!
[15:48:23] <Corwin> win2k is better
[15:49:11] <OndraSter_> hmm I will have to install it, all the vmware HDDs are gone
[15:49:15] <OndraSter_> all except Debian of course!
[15:50:13] <Tom_itx> well i was gettin ready to say if i was begged a bit i'd toss in a breadboard adapter
[15:50:24] <Tom_itx> but i just woke up and missed him
[15:50:26] <OndraSter_> :D
[15:50:42] <Tom_itx> have you seen those?
[15:50:55] <OndraSter_> those people or those adapters?
[15:51:01] <Tom_itx> adapters
[15:51:04] <OndraSter_> nope
[15:51:51] <Tom_itx> i had a kit at one point
[15:52:06] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/boards/USBTiny_Mkii/breadboard/Kit1.jpg
[15:52:13] <Tom_itx> you can see the various things there
[15:52:22] <OndraSter_> I have those
[15:52:26] <OndraSter_> just without the descriptions
[15:52:34] <OndraSter_> well, the one that goes 2x3 -> 1x6
[15:52:41] <OndraSter_> and I have got it in 10 pins version
[15:52:44] <Corwin> Tom_itx, any info about international shiping from you?
[15:53:07] <Tom_itx> 5
[15:53:25] <Tom_itx> it's on my page
[15:53:42] <Corwin> says $5 for US, intl. will be added
[15:53:44] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/commerce/commerce_index.php
[15:53:47] <Corwin> ^ at your page
[15:53:54] <Tom_itx> that's what it saiz
[15:54:07] <Tom_itx> so 23 plus 5
[15:54:28] <Tom_itx> unless you want the blue one
[15:55:08] <Corwin> is the PCB blue too?
[15:55:15] <Tom_itx> damn sure is
[15:55:19] <Tom_itx> does that matter?
[15:55:45] <Corwin> yes.... i like blue :)
[15:56:08] <Tom_itx> my original prototypes weren't
[15:56:45] <Tom_itx> if you don't see an option ask
[15:56:55] <Tom_itx> i took a few off since it was getting cluttered
[15:58:05] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/boards/USBTiny_Mkii/boards1.JPG
[15:58:10] <Tom_itx> there's the board color
[15:58:22] <Tom_itx> couldn't find one after the prototypes
[15:58:26] <Tom_itx> all finished
[15:58:37] <Corwin> looks good
[15:59:22] <OndraSter_> Tom_itx, do you have also pink?
[15:59:27] <OndraSter_> I LOVE PINK!
[15:59:27] <Corwin> :D
[15:59:55] <Corwin> purple PCBs looks nice too
[16:01:13] <OndraSter_> not sure why non-green boards are more expensive
[16:01:18] <OndraSter_> different method or what?
[16:01:46] <Corwin> hmm... now what? get new toy from Tom or get ccd camera and PIR sensor for project im supposed to work on?
[16:03:07] <OndraSter_> how are you going to programm it without Tom's programmer? :)
[16:03:39] <Corwin> with one of my dragons, or stk500 clone, or arduino.... does it matter?
[16:03:56] <Corwin> or avr butterfly
[16:03:57] <OndraSter_> heh
[16:04:14] <specing> < OndraSter_> I LOVE PINK!
[16:04:17] <specing> Me too
[16:04:33] <Corwin> ... i love trains
[16:04:56] <specing> I don't
[16:05:01] <specing> They're slow
[16:05:07] <OndraSter_> they don't go to my house!
[16:07:14] <Corwin> hmm... blue one is 5 euro over VAT limit :(
[16:08:06] <specing> Limit?
[16:08:12] <OndraSter_> http://clip2net.com/s/1Wgtn
[16:08:17] <OndraSter_> I haven't seen that... for a loooong time
[16:08:19] <OndraSter_> yes, 22€
[16:08:34] <Corwin> 22 euro limit, for outside of EU shiping
[16:09:10] <Corwin> under 22€ its VAT free
[16:09:10] <OndraSter_> yep
[16:09:15] <OndraSter_> well, it is VAT free
[16:09:16] <specing> OndraSter_: I have a 95 disc around here
[16:09:20] <OndraSter_> but they can still stop it at the customs
[16:09:31] <OndraSter_> I have got two original DOS 5.0 5.25" floppies
[16:09:32] <specing> OndraSter_: From the short time that I actually used windoze
[16:10:25] <OndraSter_> :)
[16:10:30] <Corwin> win8 is only version since win3.0 havent used yet
[16:10:38] <Tom_itx> OndraSter_ bit em
[16:10:41] <Tom_itx> me*
[16:10:57] <OndraSter_> who bit you?
[16:11:11] <OndraSter_> I didn't say anything :)
[16:11:14] <Tom_itx> < OndraSter_> I LOVE PINK!
[16:11:17] <OndraSter_> oh
[16:11:18] <OndraSter_> this
[16:12:00] <Tom_itx> Corwin,
[16:12:11] <specing> Tom_itx: Whats wrong with pink?
[16:12:29] <Tom_itx> nothing i guess
[16:13:30] <specing> I've been looking for pink UTP cables for half a year now
[16:13:36] <specing> No success
[16:13:55] <specing> Atleast not in the 100 km area around me
[16:13:56] <Tom_itx> wonder why
[16:14:00] <Tom_itx> :D
[16:14:12] <specing> WHATS WRONG WITH PINK STUFF!?!!?
[16:14:22] <OndraSter_> Corwin, the SYSMAN looks fairly similar to the ATHELP
[16:14:31] <OndraSter_> :D
[16:14:39] <Tom_itx> specing i'd comment on pink but it's not channel appropriate
[16:14:43] <Corwin> i know how sysman looks... been using it for long time
[16:15:24] <specing> Tom_itx: D:
[16:18:09] <Tom_itx> specing figured it out :D
[16:18:54] <specing> Figured out what?
[16:19:26] <Tom_itx> nevermind
[16:19:37] <specing> D:
[16:22:36] <OndraSter_> woot, AMD has actually "80286 Instruction set summary" in their datasheet, woot woot
[16:22:44] <OndraSter_> first time I find AMD worth checking out lol
[16:43:44] <Tom_itx> OndraSter_ i had that on a plastic cheat card at one point
[16:44:05] <OndraSter_> :)
[16:44:10] <OndraSter_> instruction set for 286?
[16:44:17] * Tom_itx nods
[16:47:09] <OndraSter_> wow
[16:48:15] <OndraSter_> hah
[16:48:21] <OndraSter_> CALL via task gate
[16:48:22] <OndraSter_> takes
[16:48:24] <OndraSter_> wait for it...
[16:48:29] <OndraSter_> wait for it!
[16:48:33] <OndraSter_> 182 CYCLES!
[16:48:44] <OndraSter_> more, I do not know what +m means
[16:49:52] <Tom_itx> memory access?
[16:49:55] <Tom_itx> i dunno either
[16:49:56] <OndraSter_> maybe
[16:50:03] <OndraSter_> for different memory speeds...
[16:51:30] <OndraSter_> hmm why x86 had to be CISC
[16:51:46] <OndraSter_> and protected mode!
[16:52:18] <OndraSter_> but hey, if he can do 10kHz on mega for ARM, I can do few MHz (or more likely MIPS should be said) on xmega
[16:57:03] <OndraSter_> wow, dualport SRAMs are fairly expensive
[16:57:13] <OndraSter_> $8.5 for 128Kbit
[16:57:40] <OndraSter_> they require also tens of mAmps
[16:57:59] <OndraSter_> it's easier to grab two SRAMs with single access and switch between them :)
[16:59:02] <OndraSter_> the internet has EVERYTHING!
http://www.intel-assembler.it/portale/5/ibm-at-286-souce-code/ibm-at-286-souce-code.asp
[16:59:48] <Tom_itx> i had a printout of that at one point
[17:00:38] <OndraSter_> is there something you didn't have printed? :D
[17:00:47] <Tom_itx> not back then
[17:00:55] <Tom_itx> it was before pdf
[17:01:14] <Tom_itx> i got the motorola pink books for the 68hc11
[17:01:29] <Tom_itx> and a set of 9 or 10 or so books on the 68332
[17:03:02] <OndraSter_> :)
[17:03:06] <OndraSter_> I am too young
[17:03:34] <OndraSter_> PORT 0378 = OUTPUT PORT OF PRINTER (PRIMARY) :
[17:03:34] <OndraSter_> ; 0278 = OUTPUT PORT OF PRINTER (SECONDARY) :
[17:03:34] <OndraSter_> ; 03BC = OUTPUT PORT OF PRINTER (MONOCHROME-PRINTER)
[17:03:37] <OndraSter_> monochrome printer?!
[17:03:44] <OndraSter_> there were color printers? :D
[17:04:09] <tech2077> how old is the source
[17:04:27] <OndraSter_> no idea
[17:04:33] <OndraSter_> but from 286 days for sure
[17:04:48] <Tom_itx> older than you
[17:04:55] <tech2077> first color printers were 1977
[17:05:07] <tech2077> likely first easily available were in early 80s
[17:05:25] <Tom_itx> first ibm rolled off in 1980
[17:05:31] <tech2077> that should be around the time of 286
[17:05:33] <Tom_itx> personal that is
[17:09:23] <OndraSter_> wow there is support for tapes
[17:11:09] <OndraSter_> hmm doing VGA output on atxmega shouldn't be that hard, if it could combine DMA + DAC...
[17:11:18] <OndraSter_> + event system (for timer)
[17:11:32] <OndraSter_> I like that idea
[17:11:43] <tech2077> it's not relatively hard for low resolution on atmega's aither
[17:11:59] <tech2077> with a dedicated dac on the atxmega, shouldn't be hard
[17:12:03] <OndraSter_> yes, but the rest of the CPU would be occupied emulating 286
[17:12:19] <OndraSter_> xmega has only 2 DACs though, not enough for RGB :(
[17:12:25] <tech2077> you have space for a second chip?
[17:12:30] <tech2077> then do monocrome
[17:12:31] <OndraSter_> in my head? sure!
[17:12:38] <tech2077> ...
[17:12:52] <OndraSter_> it's just all in my head
[17:12:53] <OndraSter_> one of my ideas :D
[17:12:54] <tech2077> you could dedicate one as a video card of sorts
[17:13:02] <OndraSter_> I thought about that too
[17:13:04] <tech2077> so it could be access as a port
[17:13:09] <OndraSter_> thus the dual access port RAM
[17:14:05] <tech2077> not overly familiar with xmegas though
[17:14:17] <tech2077> it's 16 bit right
[17:16:22] <OndraSter_> it is still AVR8 inside
[17:16:25] <OndraSter_> with enhancements
[17:17:21] <mihdah> hi, i am c/c++ programmer for embedded systems( that larger one GB and GHZ) now i would start with AVR. I far as i understand the best for me will be to by a testing board? and another question should i start with atmega8 or atmega644?
[17:18:07] <mihdah> i would love to see some useful links about beginning in avr world. thank you
[17:19:11] <OndraSter_> check the topic
[17:19:17] <OndraSter_> there are links for tutos
[17:19:32] <OndraSter_> mega8 or 644 - your choice, 644 is much bigger and has more peripherals
[17:20:42] <mihdah> yes, i need some advice before start tutorials, choosing tests boards, i think i will stick with smaller one, it would be a good trigger to save as much memory as possible
[17:21:28] <specing> mihdah: Personally, I haven't exceeded a KB of code space yet
[17:21:53] <OndraSter_> lucky you :)
[17:21:59] <OndraSter_> I have exceeded 2kB in assembler
[17:22:05] <OndraSter_> and tens of kilobytes in C
[17:22:07] <mihdah> straight my friend told me a few day ago that his "helloworld" takes 2KB in gcc
[17:22:36] <OndraSter_> arduino's libs are fairly memory intense btw :P
[17:22:41] <specing> OndraSter_: Well clearly you haven't been doing any schoolwork lately
[17:22:53] <OndraSter_> the 2kB asm is schoolwork
[17:22:58] <specing> right.
[17:23:20] <specing> mihdah: Did he use printf?
[17:23:26] <mihdah> is arduino a good for start ?
[17:23:30] <specing> printf is a spacewhore
[17:23:31] <mihdah> specing i dont know
[17:23:59] <specing> mihdah: if you don't have basic EE knowledge...
[17:24:01] <OndraSter_> arduino is... a start, but people often get stuck there. There is no reason to go from arduino usually
[17:24:21] <OndraSter_> if you are doing something in arduino, you will find that there are tons of libs already for it
[17:24:34] <mihdah> he told me about sth LTO , he didnt know that it can increase code size 5 times
[17:24:55] <specing> Arduino is like python
[17:25:01] <specing> rapid prototyping
[17:25:18] <mihdah> i wish i can connect to ethernet etc, rather my hobby than job requirments
[17:25:37] <mihdah> so i will stick with plain avr and good test board
[17:26:06] <specing> for ethernet you have the wiznet chip and the ENC chip
[17:26:12] <specing> both 10M
[17:26:24] <mihdah> i am from poland i have find out
http://allegro.pl/plytka-evb-at16-32-atmega32-bascom-blue-lcd-i2346588970.html sorry for polish, there is no ethernet in this one;/
[17:26:44] <specing> the second one is available in PDIP and doesen't have the TCP/IP stack built in
[17:27:35] <mihdah> i will buy first test board rather than create one by myself ( i am not a electronic guy so i need sth working from the very beginning)
[17:28:07] <mihdah> if you know any good testing board below 50 dollars please tell me
[17:28:37] <specing> Yeah
[17:28:45] <specing> arduino :P
[17:28:53] <OndraSter_> 230ZL is quite a lot, but hey, it has a lot of peripherals
[17:28:56] <specing> or
[17:28:56] <OndraSter_> :P
[17:29:08] <OndraSter_> yep, arduino is cheap
[17:29:12] <OndraSter_> well, chinduino
[17:29:12] <specing> you chip @ protoboard and one of the bootstrapped programmers
[17:29:13] <OndraSter_> to be precise
[17:29:26] <Tom_itx> mihdah the mega328 has a good set of features
[17:29:35] <specing> You can either make it yourself or buy from Tom_itx
[17:29:42] <mihdah> i get lost 230zl , mega328
[17:29:53] <mihdah> oh sorry 230zl is a price
[17:30:09] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/how_to/atmega168/mega168_howto_main_index.php
[17:30:18] <Tom_itx> for a very basic getting started guide
[17:30:35] <xSmurf> hey all, I though the atmega2560 had 5 SPI buses as the brief says, but I can't find the reference to the other 4 :o
[17:31:24] <OndraSter_> they are the same :)
[17:31:28] <OndraSter_> just check IO map
[17:32:05] <xSmurf> I really can't find it
[17:32:27] <OndraSter_> ok let me check
[17:32:51] <mihdah> ok thank you all, i will make a choose between arduino and local one with ethernet .
[17:32:51] <Tom_itx> mihdah also you will find series like the 48 88 168 328 are all the same except more memory
[17:33:28] <mihdah> i will prefer that one with less memory, restriction are good for the very beginning
[17:33:42] <Tom_itx> not much cost difference really
[17:33:47] <Tom_itx> same pinouts
[17:33:48] <OndraSter_> I see only one SPI
[17:33:53] <OndraSter_> @xSmurf
[17:34:13] <OndraSter_> where did you get the 5 SPIs? :)
[17:34:24] <OndraSter_> well
[17:34:30] <OndraSter_> the USART can work in SPI mode
[17:34:33] <OndraSter_> if that's what you're after
[17:35:16] <xSmurf> OndraSter_: it's in the briefs on atmel's
[17:35:20] <OndraSter_> okay
[17:35:24] <OndraSter_> they ment to say:
[17:35:29] <OndraSter_> 1 SPI-only
[17:35:30] <xSmurf> http://www.atmel.com/devices/atmega2560.aspx?tab=parameters
[17:35:36] <OndraSter_> 4 USARTs which can work in SPI mode
[17:35:42] <xSmurf> "SPI: 5"
[17:35:42] <OndraSter_> = possible upto 5 SPIs
[17:35:51] <xSmurf> aaah
[17:35:53] <xSmurf> doh :(
[17:36:08] <OndraSter_> what do you need such big mega for?
[17:36:26] <OndraSter_> big beast without USB
[17:36:51] <xSmurf> ethernet, audio, sd, dmx
[17:37:04] <xSmurf> loads of space for progmems
[17:37:28] <OndraSter_> well I'd say try out xmegas
[17:37:33] <xSmurf> I'd probably have enough ram/space to use an enc28j60 but using a wiznet
[17:37:44] <xSmurf> OndraSter_: I'll be just fine with this 2560 :)
[17:37:52] <OndraSter_> how much does it cost?
[17:38:00] <xSmurf> although I definitely would have wished this SPI bus thing was more clear
[17:38:09] <xSmurf> I'm not sure, that's not really my problem :PP
[17:38:11] <OndraSter_> ah
[17:38:26] <xSmurf> for this project I'm only in charge of software
[17:38:32] <xSmurf> well, mostly
[17:38:34] <OndraSter_> I like that one xmega I found.. 3.9€, it has only 64 pins though, so not sure if you'd like it...
[17:38:44] <OndraSter_> but it is 32MHz clock, USB, 3x SPI + 7x USARTs (can work as SPI as well)
[17:38:47] <OndraSter_> 7x 16bit timer
[17:38:48] <OndraSter_> DMA
[17:38:51] <xSmurf> neat
[17:38:57] <OndraSter_> bazilion other things
[17:39:03] <OndraSter_> 256kB flash, 16kB RAM
[17:39:11] <OndraSter_> no external RAM support though, plus the 64 only pins
[17:39:14] <Tom_itx> just a bazillion?
[17:39:16] <OndraSter_> you'd have to look at A1 series
[17:39:25] <OndraSter_> Tom_itx, well, the IO space for peripherals is how much? 2000h?
[17:39:27] <OndraSter_> :P
[17:39:59] <mihdah> http://allegro.pl/zestaw-uruchomieniowy-atmega-jtag-ethernet-usb-avr-i2359416137.html ok i find one with USB, ethernet, graphical YHT07-LCM-1.44 . i think i will buy it. thank you all
[17:40:35] <Tom_itx> mihdah you are looking for etherenet support?
[17:40:42] <mihdah> yes
[17:41:03] <OndraSter_> enc28j60 boards are on ebay for $6
[17:41:03] <tech2077> mihdah, avr is very minimal compared to other devices such as arm, avr32, and pic32
[17:41:06] <Tom_itx> none of the 8bit avrs support it
[17:41:28] <Tom_itx> you need the pic device or that other one that Sgt_Lemming used
[17:41:37] <OndraSter_> atmega324p to rule ethernet... hmm
[17:41:39] <OndraSter_> not much space there
[17:41:48] <OndraSter_> Tom_itx, what's wrong on external chip?
[17:42:02] <Tom_itx> nothing i guess
[17:42:03] <OndraSter_> actually here it is even bundled
[17:42:22] <Tom_itx> that other chip seemed nicer than the pic one though
[17:42:28] <Tom_itx> i don't remember what it was
[17:42:47] <OndraSter_> what pic?
[17:43:23] <Tom_itx> not a pic
[17:43:33] <Tom_itx> you'll have to ask him when he shows
[17:43:35] <OndraSter_> oh you mean that mcp enc28j60
[17:43:38] <OndraSter_> oh
[17:43:43] <OndraSter_> wiznet
[17:43:45] <OndraSter_> w5100
[17:43:46] <OndraSter_> I think
[17:44:01] <Tom_itx> could be
[17:44:07] <Tom_itx> like i said, i don't remember
[17:44:24] <OndraSter_> darn I am trying to find an entrypoint for the BIOS disassembly!
[17:45:50] <Tom_itx> ?
[17:45:58] <Tom_itx> what are you trying to do?
[17:46:14] <OndraSter_> find an entrypoint for the BIOS disassembly!
[17:46:18] <OndraSter_> :P
[17:46:22] <OndraSter_> that 286 bios
[17:46:38] <Tom_itx> what do you want to accomplish?
[17:46:44] <OndraSter_> I am just curious
[17:47:06] <Tom_itx> i got routines to stuff the kbd buffer etc
[17:47:25] <OndraSter_> those are there
[17:47:34] <OndraSter_> but not the main entrypoint.. I am wondering how it goes etc
[17:48:39] <OndraSter_> in the worst case I can grab old 286 board and dump it myself
[17:48:49] <OndraSter_> I doubt those were encrypted and compressed or so
[17:51:09] <OndraSter_> hmm why did I live thinking that DOS was running in protected mode?
[17:51:21] <OndraSter_> when it was supposed to run even on <286
[17:51:29] <OndraSter_> (was it?)
[17:52:44] <Tom_itx> i'm not sure back then but possibly not
[17:53:04] <OndraSter_> hmm
[17:53:18] <OndraSter_> but it is running in real mode and 4GW is switching it to protected mode, right?
[17:53:22] <OndraSter_> I always thought it was the other way around
[17:53:25] <OndraSter_> lesson learned!
[17:53:33] <OndraSter_> (again, I am the young generation :D)
[19:03:19] <Sgt_Lemming> Tom_itx, which device are you referring to?
[19:03:33] <Sgt_Lemming> oh, wiznet wiz820io
[19:04:55] <Sgt_Lemming> it's not as che as the enc28j60, but it's got a hardware TCP/IP stack which greatly simplifies it's usage
[19:05:11] <Sgt_Lemming> the chip on it is Wiznet w5200
[19:19:20] <danielson> Is there an stm32 discovery channel?
[19:22:19] <karlp> no, but there is ##stm32
[19:22:26] <karlp> which may or may not be helpful :)
[20:21:33] <drgreenthumb> :)
http://imgur.com/kak1L
[20:21:44] <drgreenthumb> "Test message 172" came over the air!
[20:21:52] * drgreenthumb does the success dance
