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[05:45:34] <ama2er> is there any drawbacks for replacing a Linear Voltage Regulator like 7805 by a Low Dropout regulator like 2950
[05:45:44] <ama2er> in a circuit
[05:45:51] <j4cbo> not really, no
[05:47:37] <ama2er> j4cbo: i have seen that linear voltage regulator tend to heat up a lot, so I guess they are provided with a heat sink. But there are no heat sinks in a LDO. Would that be a problem.
[05:49:32] <j4cbo> um.
[05:49:42] <j4cbo> no
[05:49:57] <j4cbo> replacing a linear with an LDO will not change the amount of heat dissipated
[05:52:40] <ama2er> j4cbo: So? It does reduce performance.
[05:52:56] <j4cbo> "reduce performance"?
[05:53:20] <j4cbo> the difference between a standard linear and an LDO is that they are capable of working with less difference between Vin and Vout
[05:54:24] <ama2er> i mean in my case Vin = 12v and Vout=3.3V. So LDO could burn?
[05:55:17] <j4cbo> yes
[05:55:19] <j4cbo> as i said
[05:55:22] <j4cbo> 06:40 < j4cbo> replacing a linear with an LDO will not change the amount of heat dissipated
[05:55:37] <j4cbo> you should use a switching supply for that instead
[05:56:02] <ama2er> oh
[05:59:10] <ama2er> thank
[05:59:13] <ama2er> s
[06:01:01] <specing> ama2er: make a SMPS
[06:04:21] <ama2er> specing: It's too much work. I'm trying to make my work easier not harder. Power supply is the least of my worries. lol
[06:05:21] <specing> hehe
[06:05:23] <specing> I know
[06:05:39] <specing> I've been trying to make a PWM'd SMPS for half a year now :D
[06:05:56] <ama2er> hehe
[06:06:10] <ziph> You can get SMPS's for AVR's that require only 3 external components.
[06:06:17] <ziph> Two caps and a chip inductor.
[06:06:29] <specing> you need a MOSFET too
[06:06:37] <ziph> They're internal.
[06:06:40] <specing> ah
[06:06:53] <specing> well I have a bigass 9A 60V MOSFET here
[06:07:56] <ziph> If you don't mind spending a bit more you can even get 7805 form factor SMPS's.
[06:09:52] <specing> I have one in I-PAK
[06:09:59] <specing> ^
[06:10:14] <specing> It heats up like a furnace
[06:12:24] <specing> Because Im doing something wrong (tm)
[06:13:39] <Steffanx> You ™? :P
[06:13:48] <Steffanx> *your
[06:14:31] <ziph> http://www.ti.com/product/pt78st105
[06:14:44] <ziph> That's a drop in replacement for the 7805.
[06:15:12] <Steffanx> Whoa, nice
[06:15:26] <ziph> Except 70-80% efficient for most input voltages.
[06:16:01] <specing> and it costs 15 Euro
[06:16:28] <specing> http://si.farnell.com/jsp/search/browse.jsp;jsessionid=VZK2VYDB0LLZQCQLCIQZKBQ?N=0&Ntk=gensearch&Ntt=pt78st105&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&exposeLevel2Refinement=true&suggestions=false&ref=globalsearch&_requestid=632404
[06:20:11] <ama2er> i don't know man i could probably buy 200, 7805 with that much money.
[06:21:20] <specing> Not to mention it would cover the electricity costs for a decade
[06:21:44] <ama2er> hehe
[06:21:50] <Steffanx> Just buy one million directly from TI :)
[06:24:21] <ama2er> great idea!
[08:46:47] <Tom_itx> isn't an LDO a linear regulator?
[08:46:57] <Tom_itx> with a lower dropout voltage
[08:47:49] <Tom_itx> smps is far more efficient
[09:07:01] <cyanide> my latest traction control system board is in :)
[09:07:03] <cyanide> i put my company logo on the copper layer :D
[09:07:09] <cyanide> http://i.imgur.com/pJblx.jpg
[09:08:21] <Steffanx> C'kernel made it for you cyanide ?
[09:08:45] <CapnKernel> No I didn't. I'm wondering who did...
[09:08:52] <Steffanx> :)
[09:09:02] <Tom_itx> some chinese company
[09:09:12] <Steffanx> CapnKernel is here :)
[09:09:26] <Tom_itx> the sky is crying!
[09:09:37] <CapnKernel> ?
[09:09:48] <cyanide> these were done by itead
[09:09:59] <CapnKernel> :-)
[09:10:09] <Tom_itx> some chinese company
[09:10:18] <cyanide> you were having your visa issues. they were ordered about 20 days ago
[09:10:35] <CapnKernel> "Mommy, why is it raining?" "Because God is crying" "But why is God crying?" "I don't know. Probably something you did"
[09:10:55] <CapnKernel> I'm still open for PCB business, no problem at all.
[09:11:18] <Tom_itx> are you stuck in Au then?
[09:11:21] <cyanide> and i still have loads of boards to be done :)
[09:11:33] <CapnKernel> For the moment, but the board business is still going.
[09:11:42] <CapnKernel> I have good people to look after things for me.
[09:11:44] <cyanide> i might be getting a contract from koni suspension as an oem
[09:11:58] <cyanide> not sure if any of you guys might've heard of them
[09:12:00] <Tom_itx> that would be a good one
[09:12:03] <CapnKernel> Several customers have ordered (and received) boards through me since I left.
[09:12:09] <Tom_itx> they've been around for years
[09:12:14] <CapnKernel> cyanide: That would be ubercool
[09:12:43] <cyanide> i was discussing with their marketing manager about a project i was planning for my own car
[09:12:53] <Tom_itx> foreign aftermarket suspension parts
[09:12:55] <cyanide> he said their engineers had tried and failed.
[09:12:56] <CapnKernel> One customer the other day, he paid for two day turn-around, then DHL got it to Australia in 2 days. So that's four days from gerbers to boards in the hand.
[09:13:03] <CapnKernel> Awesome!
[09:13:05] <cyanide> if i can get it done, im getting the contract
[09:13:39] <cyanide> i just need to get hold of a koni adjustable shock
[09:14:09] <Tom_itx> you should talk to someone at nascar. i bet they are far ahead of koni in that regard
[09:14:35] <CapnKernel> Gotta start somewhere
[09:14:54] <Tom_itx> i've been thru most of their shops
[09:15:06] <Tom_itx> they are top notch with top notch equipment
[09:16:12] <cyanide> i believe some teams in nascar might be using konis
[09:16:18] <cyanide> if it isn't a spec part
[09:16:29] <Tom_itx> everything at nascar ks spec
[09:16:33] <Tom_itx> is
[09:16:38] <Tom_itx> *
[09:17:33] <Tom_itx> once years back we put one of the ford heads from a team on our cmm to get a 3d model of the combustion chamber
[09:17:46] <cyanide> regardless, my project is aimed at cars that can go left AND right
[09:17:47] <cyanide> :P
[09:17:50] <cyanide> nice
[09:19:54] <Tom_itx> so do they when they're on the road courses
[09:20:13] <cyanide> yeah, just kidding
[09:20:25] <Tom_itx> they have at least a dozen cars for each team
[09:20:35] <cyanide> a study done on the nascar and f1 engines revealed some surprising numbers
[09:20:50] <cyanide> they're not too far off when the power outputs are compared
[09:20:54] <Tom_itx> nope
[09:21:03] <cyanide> and they were using carbs until, what, 2 years ago?
[09:21:23] <Tom_itx> this is the first fuel injected year
[09:21:30] <cyanide> ah
[09:21:37] <cyanide> http://www.epi-eng.com/piston_engine_technology/comparison_of_cup_to_f1.htm
[09:21:41] <Tom_itx> they went to alternative fuel last year
[09:22:13] <Tom_itx> they have all the same onboad computer access but aren't allowed to use it during a race
[09:22:13] <cyanide> the mean and peak piston speeds in nascar engines are higher than f1
[09:22:18] <Tom_itx> just in testing
[09:22:47] <Tom_itx> the only building they wouldn't allow us in at Hendrix was the engine building
[09:22:50] <Tom_itx> go figure
[09:22:53] <cyanide> :)
[09:23:16] <Tom_itx> they build 98% of all the chevy engines
[09:37:36] <CapnKernel> Tom_itx: Interesting article
[09:38:11] <CapnKernel> If you were online earlier, we could have a good talk. But now I'm sorry, I have to go to bed.
[09:38:21] <CapnKernel> Sorry, wrong window.
[09:39:00] <CapnKernel> See, sleep needed :-)
[09:39:22] <Tom_itx> not my article
[09:44:06] <ama2er> In a standard 16x2 lcd how should Pin 15 and 16 denoting LED+ and LED- be connected.
[09:44:51] <specing> unconnected
[09:45:17] <Tom_itx> they are backlight
[09:45:29] <Tom_itx> and vary depending if they are flourescent or led
[09:46:12] <jacekowski> +5V and gnd
[09:47:48] <ama2er> so many different answers? in 1 circuit I saw 16 ->gnd and 15->vcc. But in others they were unconnected?
[09:48:07] <Tom_itx> they probably didn't have backlight
[09:49:22] <jacekowski> ama2er: you don't have to connect them
[09:49:27] <jacekowski> ama2er: unless you want backlight
[09:49:34] <jacekowski> and in some LCD's those pins are moved to 1,2
[09:49:45] <jacekowski> and rest of pins is shifter
[09:49:48] <jacekowski> shifted*
[09:51:28] <ama2er> jacekowski: in my one Pin 15 and 16 denotes LED+ and LED-. so that means they have to be connected to proper voltages right?
[09:53:02] <cyanide> vcc and gnd
[09:53:06] <cyanide> 16 is gnd, 15 is vcc
[09:54:09] <ama2er> cyanide: ok
[09:55:20] <ama2er> what happens if i don't connect would the display be too dull that it can't be read from?
[09:57:15] <Tom_itx> no
[09:57:49] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/toaster_oven/pannel2.jpg
[09:58:14] <Tom_itx> err that one may be backlit
[09:58:49] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/logger/Logger1.jpg
[09:58:52] <Tom_itx> that one is not
[09:59:19] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/logger/logger_menu.jpg
[10:00:11] <ama2er> ok thanks guys!
[10:00:31] <Tom_itx> did you get the last couple pics?
[10:00:47] <Tom_itx> zlog
[10:00:57] <ama2er> sorry i got disconnected?
[10:01:00] <Steffanx> Yes
[10:01:08] <Tom_itx> they're in the logs
[10:01:16] <Steffanx> 6 minutes ago ama2er :)
[10:05:33] <ama2er> ok got it
[10:28:56] <zii> Can objcopy produce raw output, not some ihex or other shenanigans?
[10:29:04] <zii> Well convert, I mean.
[10:31:01] <zii> Oh, nevermind.
[11:58:38] <learningc> does anyone knows of a program that can convert fonts into an array in C?
[11:59:13] <Tom_itx> i used to
[11:59:19] <Tom_itx> we did that for the 68332
[12:07:56] <specing> learningc: gimp can save images to C arrays
[12:08:34] <specing> (I assume that is what you want)
[12:10:06] <Tom_itx> this took truetype fonts and converted them
[12:10:35] <Tom_itx> i may still have a handfull if you want them
[12:10:40] <Tom_itx> not sure what they are
[12:14:10] <drobban> anyone familiar with olimex ISP stk500compatible programmer?
[12:21:18] <Tom_itx> learningc, you can try these:
http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/avr/font/
[12:58:03] <learningc> specing: I would like a program where you can choose your font and size and gives array for each charcters and letters instead
[13:01:21] <learningc> Tom_itx: what are the files for in your directory?
[13:02:40] <learningc> Tom_itx: and how did you get those fonts to be generated?
[13:05:54] <learningc> specing: anything more automated than gimp? like for the whole font set?
[13:20:46] <specing> idk
[13:52:16] <Martyn> Afternoon all
[13:52:33] <Martyn> Does anyone have good connections at Atmel, or an archive of Atmel datasheets?
[13:52:53] <Martyn> I'm looking for a specific AT90 datasheet that is proving nearly impossible to find because the part is considered "obsoletE"
[13:52:59] <Martyn> AT90SC6464C-USB
[13:53:04] <Martyn> It's a TQFP44 chip
[13:53:49] <specing> Ah its you again
[13:53:53] <specing> ^ abcminiuser
[13:54:10] <Martyn> Yep.
[13:54:14] <Martyn> So far, no luck
[13:54:30] <abcminiuser> GREETINGS
[13:54:37] <Martyn> Atmel sold off the IP to a french company, and they have no interest in even talking to me :)
[13:54:41] <Martyn> I tried :(
[13:54:59] <Martyn> salutations :)
[13:59:59] <learningc> Martyn: that's easy
[14:00:36] <specing> It is sad how history gets lost in corporate philosophy
[14:00:38] <Martyn> learningc : I'm glad you think so .. because I've tried pretty hard over the last week, including contacting Atmel, and trying to get the french IP company to help me at all
[14:00:56] <Martyn> and nobody is willing to give me the datasheet.. I'm not even -interested- int he crypto parts of the chip
[14:01:11] <specing> Atmel must have datasheets for it somewhere
[14:01:11] <Martyn> I just want to use them because they are AT90 chips, have 64k/64k, and are perfect replacements for the Teensy
[14:01:17] <Martyn> specing: No, they don't.
[14:01:24] <specing> They do, trust me
[14:01:29] <specing> storage is cheap
[14:01:44] <Martyn> specing : When they sold the IP to that french company, they deleted their references to the whole product line. So at least -four- senior techs have assured me at this point
[14:02:03] <Martyn> One of whom I've gotten to know well now, and I have no reason to disbelieve him.
[14:02:55] <specing> They do.
[14:03:47] <specing> Have you tried contacting someone who actually worked on that line?
[14:04:28] <specing> If I designed them, I would make pretty damn sure that my work doesen't get lost
[14:04:34] <Martyn> specing : AFAIK, everyone that worked on that line was transferred to the new company
[14:04:35] <learningc> Martyn: use another one
[14:04:56] <Martyn> learningc : USe another what? I have 26,000 chips. I need -that- datasheet
[14:05:30] <Martyn> learningc : Although I have found some products that use(d) that chip (idvault/idguard) and at least now know where the VCC, GND, and XTAL pins are
[14:05:56] <Martyn> but I still don't know how to get a bootloader in there, or how to activate the ISP programming function on them
[14:06:12] <Martyn> since they are "secure" chips, they need a slightly different state engine than the standard AT90 parts
[14:06:32] <Martyn> and the start address for uploaded code is at a different location than the standard AT90
[14:06:45] <Martyn> which is not documented anywhere that I have been able to find
[14:07:12] <learningc> Martyn: would you send me a small cheque for that datasheet? :)
[14:07:26] <Martyn> I might, in fact
[14:07:41] <learningc> only might? :(
[14:07:42] <Martyn> but only if it's the 200+ page datasheet, and you send me a page with the pinout of THAT chip
[14:07:54] <Martyn> and something from page 191
[14:08:39] <Martyn> Yes, only might. So far, I've had four people on the net tell me they "have" the datasheet .. and same as you were 'willing to give me a copy for a little something'
[14:08:47] <Martyn> and so far, all four have been frauds
[14:10:22] <Martyn> I'd be perfectly happy to give someone a fair 'find fee' for the full datasheet for the specific part.
[14:11:42] <Martyn> (and for the record, what one of the four shysters did was take the first couple pages of the AT90SC6464C 4-page datasheet and attach it to the AT90USB datasheet. Asshat that he/she was)
[14:12:54] <specing> LOL
[14:13:50] <specing> I'd call that resourcefull enterpreneurship :D
[14:15:03] <Martyn> I call that being a complete asshat and fraudster
[14:16:07] <Martyn> "resourceful entrepreneurship" would be keeping a collection of rare and hard-to-find datasheets and providing a service that hooks interested parties up with the information for a fee
[14:16:27] <Martyn> which as an honest business model wouldn't be a bad one
[14:26:11] <learningc> Martyn: I'll get in touch with atmel on monday
[14:27:24] <learningc> Martyn: how did you get to buy these chips?
[14:27:38] <Martyn> learningc :I've already been in touch with Atmel, and had two reps plus an FAE give me a hand. They say that the IP was fully transferred to "insidefr.com" and they have no copies
[14:28:14] <specing> Don't believe them
[14:28:20] <specing> there are copies there
[14:28:23] <specing> keep poking
[14:28:31] <learningc> Martyn: from which country?
[14:28:41] <Martyn> learningc : A company here in San Mateo that used them (idvault.com) went out of business, and they surplused 15 boxes of chips (1600 chips x 12)
[14:28:44] <Martyn> x15 rather
[14:28:49] <Martyn> USA
[14:29:12] <Martyn> specing: I've poked rather hard... at this point, I think further poking by me is counter-productive
[14:29:13] <learningc> and the company don't have datasheet?
[14:29:34] <Martyn> learningc: They are out of business. Anything from that company has either been thrown away in a dumpster, or sold off at surplus
[14:29:47] <Martyn> So, the chances I can get a datasheet from them are as close to zero as makes no difference
[14:30:59] <Martyn> specing : Unless you know something -solid- that I don't, I'm fairly convinced that unless it's on some engineer's desk, or sitting in the hands of someone who just -happens- to have the datasheet, they don't have it
[14:31:29] <specing> poke abcminiuser to poke them, it is super effective!
[14:31:41] <Steffanx> not really specing
[14:31:49] <Martyn> abcminiuser knows, and did lend me a hand
[14:31:59] <Martyn> but he doesn't know anything about the crypto AVRs
[14:37:23] <RikusW> Martyn: what makes you think its has a usb port ?
[14:37:39] <Martyn> Because the part number is AT90SC6464C-USB?
[14:37:45] <Martyn> and the IDvault is a USB device?
[14:37:51] <RikusW> ah
[14:38:09] <Martyn> and I think I've seen one other device that uses the same chip on the net
[14:38:41] <RikusW> sell the chips to the french company ?
[14:41:12] <Martyn> It's obsolete, and they would have no interest
[14:43:33] <RikusW> seems like it don't have gpio pins ?
[14:44:58] <RikusW> only to serial pins ?
[14:45:04] <RikusW> *two
[14:45:49] <RikusW> what is ISO7816 ?
[14:49:25] <RikusW> if its obsolete whats the issue with a NDA anyways ? :S
[14:52:01] <specing> RikusW: these chips might still be in use
[14:56:35] <RikusW> so security by obscurity ? :-P
[14:58:29] <specing> indeed
[14:59:06] <specing> Martyn: Look at the bright side of it, you can make a Ph.D from hardware reverse-engeneering
[15:06:06] <RikusW> Martyn:
http://www.google.com/search?q=at90sc6464c-usb+filetype%3Apdf
[15:09:35] <CarterA> Does anyone here know what would be causing me to get this output from avrdude? (command is the first line)
https://gist.github.com/8a7f96139997e30e3e04
[15:13:02] <CarterA> I've tested all ICSP connections and they're functional.
[15:16:46] <RikusW> does the avr have a clock source ? did you perhaps change the fuses ?
[15:17:28] <CarterA> The fuses might have been changed, and no, the AVR doesn't have a clock source.
[15:17:45] <CarterA> But shouldn't avrdude at least be able to read the fuses? It's just reading them all as 0x00.
[15:19:17] <RikusW> and you connected mosi->mosi and miso->miso and sck->sck ?
[15:19:25] <CarterA> Yes.
[15:19:39] <CarterA> I just tested all the connections with a continuity tester.
[15:19:42] <RikusW> and did you connect power too ? avrispmkii don't supply power
[15:19:44] <CarterA> And they're all good.
[15:19:52] <CarterA> Yes, I have a separate 3.3V power supply.
[15:20:21] <CarterA> You can see that it figured out the voltage on line 150 of the output
[15:23:19] <RikusW> is it a new avr ? or used before ?
[15:23:27] <CarterA> It's been used before.
[15:24:05] <RikusW> and was the lfuse changed to external clock perhaps ?
[15:24:16] <RikusW> you need a clock for ISP to work...
[15:25:09] <RikusW> RSTDSBL / DWEN / SPIEN fuses can also disable ISP....
[15:25:24] <RikusW> (SPIEN should be set, the other 2 not...)
[15:25:30] <CarterA> It's possible. Is there any way to change those fuses back?
[15:25:52] <RikusW> you could try connecting a crystal ?
[15:26:23] <RikusW> or supplying a clock at least 4 times higher than ISP clock to pin XT1
[15:26:32] <CarterA> That's not a very easy thing to do at this point. It's an SMD component, and I don't have the equipment to solder small enough wires to those pins
[15:26:32] <RikusW> for the other fuses you need HVPP
[15:28:06] <RikusW> you could try -B 1000 to lower the ISP clock even further
[15:28:17] <CarterA> Would one of those fuse bits being wrong cause that output to avrdude? i.e. 0x00 for everything?
[15:28:36] <RikusW> possible
[15:29:19] <CarterA> -B 1000 gives the same output
[15:29:41] <CarterA> Oh, not tru
[15:29:46] <CarterA> It also says this: stk500v2_set_sck_period(): p = 1000.0 us too large, using 276.7 us
[15:30:26] <RikusW> thats ok, 3600 Hz
[15:30:34] <RikusW> ISP programming failing is usually: incorrect fuses / no clock / wrong connections
[15:31:20] <RikusW> or avr clock too low and ISP clock too high ( SCK > 4x AVR)
[15:31:47] <RikusW> err SCK needs to be < avr clock /4
[15:32:26] <RikusW> or lastly a broken avr.... :(
[15:34:06] <RikusW> so you have mosi->pb3 miso->pb4 sck->pb5 ?
[15:34:44] <CarterA> I believe so?
[15:35:04] <CarterA> How much is an HVPP progrogrammer?
[15:35:39] <RikusW> the dragon can do it, $49
[15:35:49] <RikusW> but it needs to have 21 connections to the avr
[15:36:23] <CarterA> Oh my.
[15:36:27] <CarterA> Well that's not happening.
[15:36:58] <RikusW> HV parallel programming....
[15:37:33] <RikusW> is there a crystal on the PCB ?
[15:37:39] <CarterA> Nope.
[15:39:48] <RikusW> you could try supplying a clock signal to XT1
[15:39:59] <RikusW> say 1MHz or so
[15:40:23] <RikusW> or a bit higher
[15:41:07] <CarterA> I know I'm being a complete noob here, but what would I use for a clock signal? I don't have any spare crystals around (although I have a couple arduinos that have crystals on them).
[15:41:37] <RikusW> you could use and arduino
[15:41:48] <RikusW> just use a PWM output
[15:41:55] <CarterA> Oh?
[15:41:58] <CarterA> OK
[15:42:15] <RikusW> and make sure the vcc on both match ;)
[15:42:18] <CarterA> How many wires am I going to need to solder to the avr?
[15:42:29] <RikusW> gnd + XT1
[15:42:59] <CarterA> There's a tree running to one of the grounds
[15:43:03] <CarterA> Does it matter which one?
[15:43:14] <RikusW> XT1 == PB6
[15:43:27] <RikusW> just any gnd
[15:43:39] <RikusW> its all the same right /
[15:44:05] <CarterA> Right.
[15:44:50] <RikusW> CKDIV8 might be set, so the clock you supply /8 /4 == max ISP clock
[15:45:05] <RikusW> so /32 for safety
[15:45:15] <CarterA> Well I only have a regular soldering iron here. Think I'll be able to pull it off?
[15:45:26] <CarterA> I've never soldered anything that small.
[15:45:41] <RikusW> do you have liquid flux ?
[15:45:45] <CarterA> Yep.
[15:45:58] <RikusW> good
[15:46:05] <RikusW> and if pb6 is on a track it should help a lot
[15:46:47] <RikusW> is it a double sided board ?
[15:46:59] <CarterA> Yeeeep.
[15:47:34] <CarterA> I guess I can relax a bit, considering that there's not much worse I can make this.
[15:47:40] <RikusW> I've gotten away with a piece of wire pushed through a via, so if you're lucky pb6 does have a via somewhere ;)
[15:47:46] <specing> Some manufacturer really has to develop a onewire programming interface
[15:48:02] <CarterA> specing: No, one wire needs to just go away.
[15:48:11] <RikusW> specing: debugWire already are ;)
[15:48:23] <abcminiuser> What did I miss?
[15:48:31] <abcminiuser> Was watching an old Norsk movie called Flaaklypa
[15:48:34] <CarterA> RikusW: Alright, well wish me luck. I'll be back in a bit, with a broken AVR or a successfully soldered wire.
[15:49:15] <RikusW> abcminiuser: how much of the language do you understand ?
[15:49:37] <abcminiuser> RikusW, not enough, I had to use subtitles
[15:49:47] <abcminiuser> Written Norwegian I can usually get the basic jist of it
[15:49:52] <abcminiuser> But spoken, forget about it
[15:50:56] <specing> Its all so wfigobhnfcbhaw'fjg ifgw eghibg
[15:51:02] <RikusW> abcminiuser: you missed ISP programming failure due to unknown reasons....
[15:51:31] <abcminiuser> Gremlins
[15:51:45] <abcminiuser> specing, no, it's sopurdupkerdoo
[16:11:35] <CarterA> OK, wire has been soldered
[16:11:42] <CarterA> How do I use the arduino as the clock?
[16:15:01] <CarterA> RikusW
[16:18:33] <specing> CarterA: I don't think programming a square wave signal could pose such an intellectual challenge to warrant asking here
[16:23:28] <CarterA> I'm sorry, you're right, I got it.
[16:23:34] <CarterA> And it works, too.
[16:24:33] <specing> ...
[16:25:45] <CarterA> Providing an external clock source to the avr is now letting me program it.
[16:26:38] <specing> I should get some time and learn to use AT91SAM's PWMs
[16:26:43] <specing> I it even has some
[16:26:51] <specing> PWM at 200MHz :D
[16:28:49] <Casper> specing: just say: insane led blinker :D
[16:30:12] <specing> Or AVR overclock tester
[16:30:33] <specing> To see where is their upper limit
[16:41:47] <CarterA> OK, so now I'm trying to burn the arduino bootloader onto the chip, and it's giving me a new error:
https://gist.github.com/8a7f96139997e30e3e04
[16:42:03] <CarterA> read error: Device not configured.
[16:44:25] <specing> Why are you putting an arduino bootleg on there?
[16:44:48] <CarterA> So that I can easily reprogram it over the FTDI chip?
[16:48:37] <specing> But .. uh .. nevermind.
[16:49:07] <CarterA> It has the same error when I give it another program
[16:49:14] <CarterA> So it's got nothing to do with the bootloader.
[17:26:33] <Tom_itx> greets abcminiuser
[17:30:00] <abcminiuser> Heyo
[18:01:33] <CarterA> OK, AVR Studio 5.1 is able to read all the fuses and everything on my mega328p correctly now, and they all seem to be correct, but when I try to program it, it gives me this error: An error occured while executing command with ID 0x14. Timed out waiting for a response.
[18:05:56] <CarterA> Which, from what I gather, means that it times out on the CMND_ENTER_PROGMODE command (0x14).
[18:06:29] <CarterA> Any ideas what would cause that?
[18:08:45] <Casper> you might have the lock bit set
[18:09:08] <CarterA> According to the studio, all lock bits are clear.
[18:09:43] <CarterA> Yeah, the lock bit register is 0xFF
[18:11:25] <Casper> it could also be a communication error
[18:11:37] <Casper> hard to say, nobody here use avrstudio
[18:11:54] <CarterA> Well I'm only using studio because avrdude wasn't working
[18:11:58] <CarterA> It had the same problem.
[18:12:10] <Casper> then you probably have a communication error
[18:12:19] <Casper> what kind of programmer do you have?
[18:12:28] <CarterA> Olimex AVR ISP 500
[18:14:00] <CarterA> Oh, wait
[18:14:04] <CarterA> I think it just worked.
[18:14:22] <CarterA> I added a -B 8
[18:34:56] <Tom_itx> i was gonna suggest the -B
[18:35:06] <CarterA> :-)
[18:35:21] <Tom_itx> slows down the spi communication
