#linuxcnc Logs

Jun 05 2021

01:53 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
04:37 AM Tom_L: morning
04:37 AM pink_vampire: morning Tom_L
04:38 AM XXCoder: heys
05:33 AM JT-Cave: morning
05:36 AM XXCoder: yo
06:18 AM JT-Cave: looks like the ebay seller didn't really mail my servo until yesterday or the usps held it for 3 days without scanning which seems unlikely
06:19 AM XXCoder: i hate "sent" when it isnt
06:20 AM XXCoder: i always mark order as shipped when i return home from usps and not before
06:20 AM JT-Cave: label was created on the 2nd but not scanned in till today
06:55 AM JT-Cave: I wonder when international usps will start moving again
06:55 AM JT-Cave: is it usps or is it customs?
06:58 AM JT-Cave: wow I shipped a package on april 13 and it just left the us june 2nd and is in nz today
06:59 AM XXCoder: jeez
07:02 AM JT-Cave: hmm my pocket path is not correct, it's a bit off... gotta ponder that
07:33 AM JT-Cave: hmm I see the problem... the first path is full width of the cutter but the second pass I cut air
07:34 AM JT-Cave: hmm no that's not it...
07:36 AM Loetmichel: just got a call from my sisters. She decided to call me instead of driving and buying alcohol. I am so proud of her... and i see a very small light of the end of the alcoholic/depression disorder tunnel. *sigh* why do we have to have a mother that is trying to gaslight everyone? :(
07:39 AM JT-Cave: what does "trying to gaslight everyone" mean?
07:41 AM Loetmichel: the manipulating bits presents herself as the victim and gets everyone else to support her because she has it so bad, crushing people in the process.
07:42 AM Loetmichel: and she succeeded to get my sister into a deep depression and being an alcoholic with her constant guilt trips.
07:43 AM Loetmichel: you wouldnt believe how pissed i am.
07:43 AM JT-Cave: that just sucks
07:43 AM Loetmichel: s/bits/bitch
07:44 AM Loetmichel: it does.
08:20 AM Tom_L: JT-Cave, maybe the post will start moving now
08:23 AM JT-Shop: yea that bitch that filed a claim will get my money and the cards!
08:27 AM Tom_L: they never take the seller into consideration on those
08:28 AM Tom_L: and you can't file a claim with USPS can you?
08:35 AM Tom_L: what's goin on with the pocket?
08:37 AM JT-Cave: you can't do anything with usps lol
08:38 AM JT-Cave: my first pass is not right so the last pass is not on the wall of the pocket all the way around but I know the cause just need to code the solution
08:41 AM Tom_L: are you gonna have to do a cleanup with a smaller cutter?
08:41 AM Tom_L: corner radius etc
08:41 AM JT-Cave: well if the pocket corner radius is smaller than the tool radius you picked the wrong tool lol
08:42 AM Tom_L: :)
08:42 AM Tom_L: sometimes it's quicker to rough it out with a big cutter then do a cleanup
08:43 AM JT-Cave: yeah that should be an option to leave some amount on the walls for a second run with a smaller cutter
08:43 AM Tom_L: it doesn't allow for a cleanup pass?
08:44 AM JT-Cave: my plan is to have the last pass at full WOC for better finish
08:44 AM JT-Cave: and if needed by pocket geometry the first pass will be less than WOC
08:44 AM Tom_L: do you need to go over a bit since the part has to come out easily?
08:44 AM JT-Cave: oh I thought you were talking about my pocket program lol
08:45 AM JT-Cave: not the nest
08:45 AM Tom_L: oh i thought you were talking about the crazy part!!! :)
08:45 AM Tom_L: so is it the left pocket or the right one?
08:45 AM JT-Cave: they set that one up on different mill in their shop but we still have to sort out the part that is full of errors
08:45 AM JT-Cave: back pocket
08:46 AM Tom_L: still got surface errors on that last set?
08:47 AM JT-Cave: on the one with 8 holes yes, I'm going to try and use featureworks to recognize all the features and turn it into a sw part
08:47 AM JT-Cave: seems to be a problem if you try and create a cavity with an imported part
08:48 AM Tom_L: yeah that's always an issue on imports
08:53 AM Tom_L: that onecnc looks like a nice package
08:59 AM JT-Cave: it's ok, you have to click on ok a million times to change anything at least in my version
08:59 AM Tom_L: they never tell you details when you're looking at a package
08:59 AM JT-Cave: and extensions are overwritten in caps which just pisses me off
08:59 AM Tom_L: if i did more i might look into it
09:00 AM JT-Cave: and comment tags are not used correctly even though you have them in the post
09:00 AM Tom_L: if you want antiquated take a peek at mine
09:01 AM Tom_L: to think it was state of the art then
09:01 AM JT-Cave: I plan on it
09:01 AM Tom_L: i'm still learning things about it
09:01 AM Tom_L: that macro screen is a real pisser though cause you can't see it
09:02 AM Tom_L: it works good, you just gotta write down the settings for it in order and hope
09:02 AM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Smartcam/macro_screen.jpg
09:02 AM Tom_L: somebody really fubbed up
09:04 AM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Smartcam/macro_screen1.jpg
09:04 AM JT-Cave: that's hard to read
09:04 AM Tom_L: if you change the system colors you can see it but then you can't see anything else
09:05 AM Tom_L: i just made a sheet i fill out now with the parameters and enter them in order
09:05 AM Tom_L: they forgot to update _something_ on their last compile for sure
09:08 AM JT-Cave: didn't get any coffee this morning all we had was some stuff from tx that tasted crappy so I spit it out
09:09 AM Tom_L: nothing like starting the day off right...
09:10 AM * JT-Cave goes to check on breakfast
10:17 AM Guest66: Hello linuxcnc users
10:17 AM CloudEvil: hey
10:17 AM Guest66: I have a problem with debounce
10:18 AM Guest66: when I try to do debounce for homing switches, I get the following error: Can not find -sec APPLICATIONS -var DELAY -num 1
10:18 AM Guest66: Error: could not insert module /usr/realtime-3.4-9-rtai-686-pae/modules/linuxcnc/debounce.ko:
10:19 AM Guest66: I have a post here: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/38-general-linuxcnc-questions/12062-joint-0-limit-error-setting-up-debounce?start=10#211213
10:20 AM Guest66: Would appreciate if someone could help with this problem
10:21 AM CloudEvil: From a general linux perspective, does that module exist?
10:21 AM CloudEvil: Can you manually install it?
10:21 AM Guest66: I have no clue..
10:21 AM JT-Shop: wow hijacking a 10 year old thread...
10:22 AM Guest66: error also says: File exists
10:22 AM Guest66: so I guess debounce.ko exist, or?
10:23 AM JT-Shop: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.8/html/man/man9/debounce.9.html
10:24 AM Guest66: Oh...now I see that the last edit for the post was in 2011.. shall I repost this?
10:24 AM JT-Shop: I'll move it
10:26 AM Guest66: Thank you! I was reading debounce description, however, as I am a terrible newbie with hal, I was trying to adapt some examples for my need..
10:28 AM JT-Shop: I don't see anything wrong with your hal file
10:29 AM Guest66: Should I modify my ini file somehow with regards to debounce function?
10:29 AM JT-Shop: it's all in hal for debounce
10:30 AM JT-Shop: to troubleshoot start by commenting all the lines out for debounce except loadrt debounce and uncomment line by line until you find the offender
10:30 AM JT-Shop: custom_postgui.hal:21
10:31 AM JT-Shop: seems the offending code is there
10:31 AM JT-Shop: my guess is pcconf has added some things that read the ini file
10:32 AM Guest66: ok, I will try this. I do uncommenting from the top line by line?
10:32 AM JT-Shop: https://paste.ubuntu.com/ your postgui hal file
10:32 AM JT-Shop: brb
10:33 AM Guest66: debounce should be in postgui gal? In my case, I put it in my main hal...
10:33 AM Guest66: maybe this is a problem?
10:35 AM Guest66: I think you found my problem! In my custom_postgui.hal there is line with debounce for z probe (I copied this from linuxcnc forum, for jogging x axis)..
10:37 AM Guest66: YES! Thank you JT-Shop! This was the problem (there was debounce initiated in custom postgui hal)! Removing everything from there solved my problem. Thank you very much!
10:38 AM JT-Shop: yippie
10:38 AM JT-Shop: yw
10:40 AM JT-Shop: post on the forum your solution so others can benefit
10:41 AM Guest66: yes, could you give me a link where you moved it?
10:42 AM Guest66: found it
10:47 AM Guest66: posted the solution in forum. Thanks! Have a nice day!
10:59 AM Tom_L: it should be in the main hal
10:59 AM Tom_L: loadrt anyway
11:00 AM JT-Cave: the only important thing is the sequence you add the function to the thread for some things
11:14 AM CaptHindsight[m]: you can do a lot with USPS as a seller, you can wait in a call cue for 90 minutes and get cut off, wait 30+ days to get a check to cover a loss that does not include the shipping fees and have to appeal to get the $100+ in shipping fees for another few weeks....
11:15 AM CaptHindsight[m]: they are masters at getting you to give up trying to get your loss covered
11:19 AM Tom_L: pretty interesting but can't get a word of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfjcUUpXUlk
11:19 AM Tom_L: former warsaw factory
11:21 AM CaptHindsight[m]: who has OP status in this channel?
11:23 AM CaptHindsight[m]: Jepler: I think you can connect the bridge from Matrix to this channel now
11:23 AM Tom_L: CaptHindsight[m], i'm not sure how to find out on this network
11:28 AM Tom_L: looks like they locked average users out of those commands
11:55 AM CaptHindsight[m]: imagine the carnage if they didn't
11:55 AM CaptHindsight[m]: would be like online games, the game becomes trolling the game
12:01 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +o by ChanServ
12:03 PM jepler[m]: CaptHindsight: no, I still get "Bridge returned HTTP 500 Internal Server Error: Room failed validation. You may be attempting to "double bridge" this room. Error: 1"
12:06 PM jepler[m] is now known as jepler
12:14 PM CaptHindsight[m]: same here
12:16 PM CaptHindsight[m]: @jepler maybe we have too many liberachat IRC Bridge status bots running at the same time
12:30 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Turboss has had much success with bridging Matrix, Discord and Libera
12:55 PM CaptHindsight[m]: ohh another project using the internal micro on an ARM SOC https://www.iagent.no/2021/06/04/recore-is-finally-printing/
01:07 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/38-general-linuxcnc-questions/42008-ros-linuxcnc-link?start=110#211219
01:10 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.iagent.no/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/Table.png
01:19 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5tIKX7jtCA replace the AR100 firmware with remora and run LCNC on the Cortex-A53 cores
01:19 PM internut: so, are some people staying on the freenode channel?
01:19 PM CaptHindsight[m]: yes
01:22 PM Tom_L: internut, there are more there than here but more activity here than there
01:22 PM Tom_L: go figure
01:25 PM internut: oh welll
01:25 PM internut: nbd
02:46 PM JT-Shop: dang this monitor takes a long time to warm up and start displaying bright
02:54 PM CaptHindsight[m]: like an old TV :)
02:58 PM CaptHindsight[m]: according to Monster cable I should be using #000 welding cable for my car speakers
03:00 PM JT-Shop: damn that's big
03:03 PM CaptHindsight[m]: maybe they are just trying to sell cable
03:08 PM JT-Shop: I hate to see the price with copper at a 10 year high and a roll of romex costs $140 so looks like the new inflation plan is working well
03:13 PM CaptHindsight[m]: a combo of real and imagined material shortages
03:14 PM CaptHindsight[m]: if we are going to tax the rich and large corps they may as well stick it to us all just one more time
03:16 PM pcw_home: Lots of 52 week lead times on chips
03:17 PM skunkworks: pcw_home: have you been keeping up with customers?
03:18 PM CaptHindsight[m]: cell phones have priority
03:18 PM CaptHindsight[m]: automotive trying to catch up has taken up most stock and capacity
03:19 PM pcw_home: We are behind a bit now because purchasing for kits is like a long-leadtime minefield
03:19 PM pcw_home: you never know what part is going to get you...
03:20 PM CaptHindsight[m]: have considered moving your shop to Shenzhen?
03:20 PM CaptHindsight[m]: shop for parts like produce every morning
03:22 PM pcw_home: We did have to buy some parts from Shenzhen shops, no other source
03:22 PM pcw_home: (via Aliexpress)
03:28 PM pcw_home: Look at Digikeys SP6 Xilinx selection, 99% 0 stock
03:49 PM jepler: pcw_home: ouch.
03:52 PM pcw_home: This is the most widespread component shortage issue I have ever seen (there was a capacitor shortage a few years ago but only capacitors)
03:53 PM pcw_home: Main problem parts we have are FPGAs, power supply chips, app specific chips, and optoisolators
03:54 PM Vq: It's pretty nuts.
03:56 PM Vq: I work in DC/DC design and MOSFETs are becoming a mine-field.
03:56 PM pcw_home: Its stressful, we are kitting some fairly large OEM orders (for us anyway) and getting held up by one or two parts is scary
03:57 PM pcw_home: I would think at least with MOSFETs there are second sources for most (though they may be all gone also)
03:58 PM jepler: fingers crossed
03:58 PM Vq: pcw_home: There sometimes are, but it's not always so easy to just switch the component.
03:59 PM pcw_home: Yeah
03:59 PM jepler: I've been a fly on the wall for some of those conversations at adafruit, it seems like a stressful time all around. I think there's a surprise "port" of some existing & planned products from 32-bit ARM to 8-bit AVR because availability.
04:00 PM jepler: which is like going back 10 years
04:00 PM pcw_home: yuck
04:01 PM jepler: yeah, I think it'll be OK. One example is, a device that reads a single rotary encoder & talks over I2C.. totally doable with an 8-bit mcu.
04:01 PM jepler: for UI tasks so nobody even cares if you drop counts sometimes
04:01 PM Vq: Maybe I should try selling that big dry-pack of STM32's I have lying on the shelf...
04:01 PM jepler: hah maybe :)
04:04 PM Vq: This is the kind of converters we make: https://flexpowermodules.com/products/bmr491?model=BMR491XX07%2F856
05:14 PM XXCoder: hey all
05:25 PM _unreal_: I cant wait to test out this dust collector
05:28 PM _unreal_: just started an adjusted part
06:28 PM XXCoder: lol. grinder. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/583003640487215114/850868431631941642/1nqd45fa98541.png?width=886&height=664
07:00 PM _unreal_: interesting
07:36 PM JT-Shop: replacement servo is in St. Louis!
07:37 PM Tom_L: yay
07:39 PM JT-Shop: might get it Tuesday now
07:40 PM JT-Shop: I should go bug the spoke lathe guy next week to see if he has ran the machine yet...
07:40 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/rue/Can_Holder/A3/New/A3_4a.jpg
07:40 PM Tom_L: was fine tuning that part a bit today
07:40 PM JT-Shop: what does that do?
07:40 PM Tom_L: it's a trigger for a spray can extension
07:40 PM XXCoder: yay
07:40 PM Tom_L: forestry industry
07:40 PM JT-Shop: cool
07:41 PM Tom_L: i did a few other parts but he makes most of them
07:41 PM JT-Shop: you selling them?
07:41 PM XXCoder: and taggers i guess lol
07:41 PM Tom_L: i did a steel mold for him and he's cast a few
07:41 PM Tom_L: no, friend in Canada
07:41 PM JT-Shop: ah
07:41 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/rue/Can_Holder/A3/Mold6.jpg
07:41 PM Tom_L: a mold half i cut for him to cast them
07:42 PM JT-Shop: cool
07:42 PM Tom_L: he welded it to some pliers to make it fast
07:43 PM JT-Shop: be like a bullet mold then
07:43 PM Tom_L: i made a few for him once
07:43 PM Tom_L: kinda yes
07:43 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/rue/Can_Holder/A3/Mold_Rev2/Final_mold4.jpg
07:44 PM Tom_L: the slots were for cooling but he didn't think we needed them afterall
07:44 PM XXCoder: awesome :)
07:44 PM JT-Shop: yea looks good
07:44 PM Tom_L: he used PAM as a release
07:44 PM * JT-Shop ponders where to start cleaning up...
07:44 PM Tom_L: now they're all black :)
07:45 PM JT-Shop: seasoned
07:45 PM JT-Shop: I finally got a good g1 path on the pocket program now to add the g3 moves
07:46 PM XXCoder: i want to try low temp metal casting with wood cast
07:46 PM Tom_L: oh the one you're writing
07:46 PM Tom_L: not the cad file
07:47 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/rue/Can_Holder/Extra/A12_finished.jpg
07:47 PM Tom_L: those were some others i did for him
07:48 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/rue/Can_Holder/Extra/A8_2.jpg
07:52 PM JT-Shop: lots of arc in those parts
07:52 PM Tom_L: yeah, some old guy made them before he started
07:53 PM Tom_L: did alot of them with hand tools i think
07:54 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/rue/Can_Holder/Extra/A12_softjaws.jpg
07:54 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/rue/Can_Holder/Extra/A12_P2_1.jpg
07:54 PM Tom_L: that held them to cut the slot
07:54 PM Tom_L: before i had the good vise
07:55 PM Tom_L: i should make a set for it
07:55 PM _unreal_: hay tom
07:55 PM _unreal_: I'm almost done printing my nut(s)
07:55 PM _unreal_: >:)
07:55 PM Tom_L: i thought about doing it all flat and using a t slot cutter
07:56 PM Tom_L: but i think it would be slower than 2 positions
07:56 PM Tom_L: and finding a cutter deep enough
07:56 PM Tom_L: $$
07:57 PM _unreal_: Tom_L, what kind of dust extraction do you have?
07:57 PM Tom_L: a window
07:57 PM Tom_L: don't really need one for metal parts
07:57 PM * JT-Shop is out here much too late and retires to the couch
07:58 PM JT-Shop: we ate at a little restaurant in Grandin MO... look it up, doesn't even have a stop sign that I know of
07:58 PM Tom_L: heh
07:59 PM Tom_L: it has a bank
07:59 PM JT-Shop: lots of WPA buildings, the guy that built the house that is now the restaurant went to the WPA guys and said I'll help you for free if you will teach me how to do the stone work
08:00 PM Tom_L: ooo and a post office!
08:00 PM JT-Shop: very distinctive stone work with grout that is a half circle out from the stone
08:01 PM JT-Shop: IIRC the Bank of Grandin has several locations
08:01 PM Tom_L: i'd hope it didn't rely on the town folk
08:01 PM JT-Shop: only one in Grandin
08:02 PM JT-Shop: serves the surrounding county I assume
08:02 PM Tom_L: has a church
08:02 PM JT-Shop: they only have one Welcome to Grandin sign and it's on both sides
08:02 PM Tom_L: i see a steeple in the background
08:03 PM JT-Shop: see you in the AM
08:03 PM Tom_L: gnite
08:04 PM XXCoder: night
08:11 PM Tom_L: _unreal_, i do have a 10" exhaust duct in the ceiling but not specifically for machining
08:24 PM _unreal_: so I'm printing the biggest thing I have done so far
08:24 PM _unreal_: JUST started
08:24 PM _unreal_: freaking 8 hour print
08:47 PM Tom_L: _unreal_, laser or glue goo?
09:41 PM _unreal_: PLA
09:41 PM _unreal_: printing with clear PLA
09:41 PM _unreal_: the item doesnt max out the DIAM. but it does go with in 1mm of the top
09:42 PM _unreal_: will be nice to have when its done though
09:42 PM _unreal_: I'll only have a few prints left to do
09:42 PM _unreal_: one of which I have to modify
09:42 PM _unreal_: sigh
09:53 PM ve7it: _unreal_, finally got my website back online.... only down for 6 months
09:53 PM XXCoder: 6 months lol that'd break any company
09:55 PM XXCoder: imange google being down 6 months
09:57 PM ve7it: yea... now where were the govt handouts?
10:13 PM _unreal_: ve7it, nice
10:36 PM _unreal_: ya think he'd post the new web link though LOL
11:51 PM captain_morgan4 is now known as captain_morgan
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