#linuxcnc Logs
Nov 09 2025
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:48 AM xxcoder: cnc painter. interesting https://youtu.be/AFJ0AtGsP30
01:57 AM Deejay: moin
04:32 AM Tom_L: morning
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09:58 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks@> morning
10:17 AM lcnc-relay: <wrickert@> Does the wiki mentioned in the docs still exist? It seems like its dead.
10:19 AM lcnc-relay: <Lesliet@> moin
10:20 AM lcnc-relay: <Lesliet@> wrickert@: I thought I found something when I looked, but it's been a few months since I did
10:33 AM lcnc-relay: <wrickert@> https://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxCNC_Supported_Hardware
10:36 AM lcnc-relay: <RRAMAGE@> I have a mesa 7176e from several years ago. Does the current release of linuxcnc support it? Or do I need an older version for this now-obsolete card?
10:37 AM xxcoder: hello! I'm not in any way expert, but pretty sure linuxcnc never dropped any old cards support
10:47 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks@> this is correct
10:47 AM lcnc-relay: <RRAMAGE@> Thanks. I bought it to control a PrintNC but ended up shelving that project when I rescued a thirdhand Roland milling machine from the trash pile at work. The winXP box from the early aughties with its control software is dying and it's a pain in the butt anyway so the time is ripe to give the machine a lobotomy and replace the brains with an actually decent control
10:48 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks@> that sounds like a fun project
10:50 AM xxcoder: indeed
10:51 AM lcnc-relay: <RRAMAGE@> It will certainly be educational! To give you an idea of how awkward the old software was: It set unit system (inch/metric) by your windows settings. To change systems you had to go into windows settings and set which measurement system you wanted. It also used printer drivers because Roland mostly makes printers and that's what their engineers were used to
10:51 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks@> lol - sounds painfull
10:52 AM lcnc-relay: <RRAMAGE@> Also no option for m01 op stop and no single block function, you just do the best you can on the setup and beyblade let 'er rip
10:53 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks@> they are steppers?
10:54 AM lcnc-relay: <RRAMAGE@> AC servos
10:55 AM lcnc-relay: <Lesliet@> cool, maybe good hardware
10:56 AM lcnc-relay: <Lesliet@> how big of a machine is it?
10:57 AM lcnc-relay: <RRAMAGE@> roland mdx-540
10:57 AM lcnc-relay: <RRAMAGE@> https://jauriarts.org/_heisenbridge/media/jauriarts.org/sVlGoUqFFDyzJVmQXlblaMir/Rq-pj2K-QqM/image.png
10:57 AM lcnc-relay: <RRAMAGE@> about 16" x 20" table
10:57 AM lcnc-relay: <Lesliet@> looks reasonably rigid
10:58 AM lcnc-relay: <Lesliet@> how did they do the ways?
10:58 AM lcnc-relay: <RRAMAGE@> for its class, yes. It's certainly not a big industrial 50 taper monster but for light workshop stuff it's excellent. It's on 20mm linear rails
10:58 AM lcnc-relay: <Lesliet@> cool
10:59 AM lcnc-relay: <Lesliet@> yeah, for a desktop machine that's fairly serious
10:59 AM lcnc-relay: <Lesliet@> meant for dental stuff?
11:01 AM lcnc-relay: <RRAMAGE@> it's meant for general prototyping work in soft metals, plastics, wood, and foam. It has a whole suite of software aimed at generating toolpaths for non machinists when supplied with model files. Something an engineering office would have
11:02 AM lcnc-relay: <RRAMAGE@> of course all the software is early 2000s vintage and not great, plus I'm a professional cnc machinist so CAD/CAM is my area anyway
11:02 AM lcnc-relay: <Lesliet@> right, out with the old brain. In with the new
11:02 AM lcnc-relay: <Lesliet@> nice project! I wish I could find stuff like that in the trash
11:02 AM lcnc-relay: <Lesliet@> lol
11:03 AM lcnc-relay: <RRAMAGE@> I was absolutely floored that it was being thrown out and jumped at the opportunity
11:03 AM lcnc-relay: <Lesliet@> as would any of us here, I expect
11:05 AM lcnc-relay: <RRAMAGE@> buddy of mine who I've done lots of "for a six-pack" metal work and gunsmithing is a maintenance worker at the place that used to have it, he saw it red tagged in the pile by the loading dock, awaiting the scrap truck, and called me. I was at home with my kids (I work nights) and I dropped everything to put them in their car seats and go pick it up before somebody changed their minds
11:06 AM lcnc-relay: <Lesliet@> rofl, yeah, that would be a good call to action
11:06 AM lcnc-relay: <Lesliet@> yoink!
11:07 AM Tom_L: RRAMAGE@, what is your preferred cad cam package?
11:09 AM lcnc-relay: <RRAMAGE@> at work I use siemens NX, at home fusion360
11:10 AM Tom_L: they use mostly catia and mastercam around these parts
11:10 AM Tom_L: looks like a nice conversion project
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02:34 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks@> well - it drove out of the shop. Brakes work
02:34 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks@> little spot of hydraulic fluid under it
02:34 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks@> have to figure out where that is
03:05 PM justache is now known as justache_
03:06 PM justache_ is now known as justache
03:46 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks@> https://photos.app.goo.gl/EuUWb83vMVMiDC5W9
03:48 PM Tom_L: looks like it works
03:54 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks@> yes. lol - I was standing next to it and bumped the starter.. The fucker started. (it was in gear)
03:55 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks@> (it moves pretty slow - but still)
03:55 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks@> 2nd gear really goes around here - I can't imagine what 3rd is like
03:56 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks@> I think there is a neutral saftey switch - have to see if I can wire that back up
03:56 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks@> I think curretently the only thing wired up is the coil..
03:56 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks@> currently
04:04 PM JT-Shop: on my `56 Ferguson F40 when I got it there was no choke knob or rod so you had to hold the choke closed with one hand and press the starter button with the other
04:04 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks@> that is how I start this cold.. lol
04:04 PM JT-Shop: I started it "once" in gear then wired up the neutral switch
04:04 PM JT-Shop: it would have ran me over if I could not get on board
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05:27 PM lcnc-relay: <Lesliet@> sounds like it would make for a bad day. Especially if the tires are ballasted
05:28 PM lcnc-relay: <Lesliet@> on the 9n, the starter switch is mechanically locked out by the shifter, if it's not in neutral
05:28 PM JT-Shop: at that time the rear tires were full of calcum something
06:41 PM roycroft: adam savage is an idiot
06:41 PM roycroft: i just started watching a video of his called "why adam savage hates flathead screws"
06:42 PM roycroft: and he said right at the start the aesthetically he loves the, but they are almost impossible to install, and that he uses them in early 20th century and earlier reproductions, because henry ford invented the "phillips head" screw
06:43 PM roycroft: so first of all, he does not know the difference between a head type and a drive type, and second, henry ford did NOT invent the phillips drive screw
06:43 PM roycroft: i was wondering why anyone would hate flathead screws, as they are essential in many applications
06:44 PM roycroft: but then i realised that he hates slotted drive screws, not flathead screws
06:44 PM xxcoder: I dont like them but I assume theres cases where its better
06:44 PM xxcoder: hmm didnt know there was difference
06:44 PM roycroft: ok, i just installed the front and rear rails for my table saw fence
06:45 PM roycroft: the rails are 3/16" angle iron
06:45 PM roycroft: and on the front, the fence has to glide along a tube that is attached to the rail on the bottom
06:45 PM roycroft: the screws attaching the rail to the saw must be flush with the rail
06:45 PM roycroft: because there is very little clearance for the fence to slide along its tube
06:46 PM roycroft: if you put a pan head or even truss head screw in, it would interfere
06:46 PM xxcoder: whats the difference? wild guess from me is taper?
06:46 PM roycroft: flat head is a screw that is flat on top and has a (usually) 82 degree taper
06:46 PM lcnc-relay: <Lesliet@> https://jauriarts.org/_heisenbridge/media/jauriarts.org/BRzEPKAshtxhKzDQIhiQXEHJ/NCvs0SYafF4/shopping.png
06:47 PM roycroft: the screw hole is countersunk so that the screw head sits flush with the surface
06:47 PM lcnc-relay: <Lesliet@> yeah, that
06:47 PM roycroft: a slotted drive screw, which is what savage is calling a "flathead screw" has a slot filed/machined across the head for the driver to fit in
06:48 PM roycroft: vs phillips or torx or hex or clutch, or a myriad of other drive types
06:48 PM roycroft: a flat head screw can be slotted
06:48 PM lcnc-relay: <Lesliet@> I've called slotted head screws flatheads, too. >.<
06:48 PM roycroft: a flat head screwn can be phillips
06:48 PM roycroft: in a youtube video? :)
06:48 PM lcnc-relay: <Lesliet@> nope
06:49 PM roycroft: that's where you should get your terminology right
06:49 PM roycroft: apparently there's an 'anti flathead screw" society of some sort
06:49 PM xxcoder: was it adhoc comments or was it planned?
06:49 PM roycroft: it was planned - it's the topic of the video
06:49 PM xxcoder: ugh lol
06:50 PM roycroft: the video is titled "why adam savage hates flathead screws"
06:50 PM lcnc-relay: <Lesliet@> probably got crucified in the comments
06:50 PM roycroft: i started watching it on my tv until i figured out, seconds into the video, what he was actually talking about
06:50 PM xxcoder: I loved him in mythbusters, as imperfect it was, but his yt channel videos is very unwatchable for me
06:50 PM roycroft: and the tv youtube app shows no comments
06:51 PM roycroft: i like his youtube channel sometimes
06:51 PM roycroft: but he tends to ramble too much
06:51 PM xxcoder: im sure its good, just didnt work for me
06:51 PM xxcoder: yes, I love alec even though he talks a lot
06:51 PM roycroft: adam is a very clever and talented guy
06:51 PM roycroft: except he knows nothing about machining
06:52 PM roycroft: he's one of those people who should never make any video that is remotely machining-related
06:52 PM xxcoder: I think its too much handcam that made it unwatchable for me too often
06:52 PM roycroft: he has a pro camera operator now
06:52 PM roycroft: and uses a lot of tripod-mount cameras
06:52 PM xxcoder: stands now?
06:52 PM xxcoder: not bad. might give it a try later
06:52 PM roycroft: but he does grab the camera himself sometimes
06:53 PM roycroft: he still has no business making machining-related videos though
06:53 PM roycroft: if he uses his bridgeport while making a prop, that's fine
06:53 PM roycroft: as long as he does not try to instruct on how to use the bridgeport
06:54 PM roycroft: anyway, that's my rant for the day, and it's a pretty minor one, imo :)
06:54 PM xxcoder: on unrelated note, I figured I could use wolfbox air sprayer to dry my hair
06:54 PM roycroft: the concert was really nice
06:54 PM roycroft: i'm glad i went
06:54 PM xxcoder: and wow it does that very well indeed. just careful with ears
06:54 PM xxcoder: nice
06:54 PM roycroft: the venue was about 2/3 full, which was pretty good
06:55 PM roycroft: the soloist in the mendelssohn violin concerto was amazing
06:55 PM roycroft: and she's only 16 years old
06:55 PM xxcoder: virtually only show I went was chriss angel. me and my bro paid for futher off seating since we figured theres no big benefits for being closer due to tickets being $250
06:55 PM roycroft: she's soloed with major orchestras, and has been in the portland youth orchestra for 9 years
06:55 PM xxcoder: they figured we was missing out on all audio so they seated us at second row lol
06:56 PM roycroft: which, if i can do rudamentary arithmetic, means she's been playing in the orchestra since she was 7
06:56 PM xxcoder: was very nice of them, and it was indeed amazing show.,
06:56 PM xxcoder: wow
06:56 PM roycroft: yeah
06:56 PM roycroft: i'm not a stereotype kind of person
06:56 PM xxcoder: (further off seats was $40 each which we paid for second row)
06:57 PM lcnc-relay: <Lesliet@> nice!
06:57 PM roycroft: but if any stereotypes are true, asians and jews are stereotyped for "strongly encouraging" their kids to be oveachievers in the arts
06:57 PM roycroft: this girl is an asian jew
06:58 PM xxcoder: I dont know chriss show is still going on, we went in 2008, but if it is, its highly recommanded, very good magic show with story
06:58 PM roycroft: anyway, the way the concert was being promoted earlier implied that a few of the esyo (eugene-springfield youth orchestra) members would be playing with the eugene symphony
06:58 PM xxcoder: we figured some of story but not a whole lot, but it was still amazing
06:58 PM roycroft: what really happened is that they were paired up 1-1 with eugene symphony members
06:58 PM roycroft: so there were like 120 musicians on the stage
06:59 PM roycroft: the most i've ever seen at that venue
06:59 PM xxcoder: wow
06:59 PM roycroft: maybe more
06:59 PM roycroft: i could not count
07:00 PM roycroft: but usually a symphony orchestra has between 60 and 85 members for a performance, depending on what is being played
07:00 PM roycroft: i'm assuming they pared down to close to 60 today, since it was being doubled up
07:02 PM roycroft: i got the rest of the parts that i need for the laser vent system while i was in town today, but when i got home there was only a half hour of light left
07:02 PM roycroft: so i'll do that job tomorrow
07:02 PM roycroft: i really wanted it done this weekend, but oh well
07:04 PM * roycroft spent way too much money today
07:05 PM roycroft: jerry's had a bunch of festool abrasives on clearance
07:05 PM roycroft: i already have all of what they were clearancing, but they were marked down from $77 to $28
07:05 PM roycroft: so i stocked up
07:05 PM roycroft: festool never goes on sale - festool won't allow it, so all retailers must always sell at list price, unless it's on clearance
07:06 PM roycroft: honestly though, more than the money i spent on that stuff i'm concerned that i have more stuff to store in my already overcrowded shop
07:06 PM lcnc-relay: <Lesliet@> ended up working on the lathe a lot more than the mill, today. (good deal, there, Roycroft!) Still got a few mill parts painted, and fitted the new fan, but I need to make a cover for the ragged hole someone cut to mount a muffin fan on the body.
07:07 PM roycroft: leaves are at peak color along highway 58 so the drives yesterday and today were beautiful
07:07 PM lcnc-relay: <Lesliet@> have some aluminum diamond tread plate, I think a polished up piece of that would look cool to cover the hole
07:07 PM roycroft: the sun was shining both days
07:07 PM xxcoder: roy yeah I drove to a store and wow trees was colorful
07:08 PM lcnc-relay: <Lesliet@> yeah, fall here is gorgeous when the sun makes a cameo
07:08 PM roycroft: it's more important to have a working lathe than a working mill
07:08 PM lcnc-relay: <Lesliet@> need the lathe, to make a mill part
07:08 PM lcnc-relay: <Lesliet@> lol
07:08 PM roycroft: most things you can machine on a mill you can machine on a lathe
07:08 PM xxcoder: and thankfully not mill to make lathe part at same time ;)
07:08 PM lcnc-relay: <Lesliet@> could use a bigger, better lathe, but you work with what ya got
07:08 PM roycroft: a lot of things you can machine on a lathe you can't machine on a mill
07:09 PM roycroft: i got rid of my lathe when i moved
07:09 PM roycroft: it was old and very worn, and too big
07:09 PM lcnc-relay: <Lesliet@> this, exactly. Worm gear on the tormach would be a challenge
07:09 PM roycroft: i haven't gotten a newer, smaller one yet
07:09 PM roycroft: i had a 12x36
07:09 PM roycroft: i think you've seen it, lesliet
07:09 PM lcnc-relay: <Lesliet@> mine's an old craftsman 12x36.
07:10 PM roycroft: i want to get a 10x24
07:10 PM roycroft: that is the perfect size for me
07:10 PM lcnc-relay: <Lesliet@> I'd like something a bit more rigid
07:10 PM roycroft: but i don't have the shop space for a lathe yet
07:10 PM roycroft: cnc it
07:11 PM roycroft: you can take lighter cuts without getting bored
07:11 PM lcnc-relay: <Lesliet@> anything I get is likely to need a rebuild, so that needs to wait until I'm ready for another big project
07:11 PM roycroft: and that will compensate for the lack of rigidity somewhat
07:11 PM roycroft: i'm thinking seriously about getting a uv printer
07:11 PM roycroft: which i would get before another lathe
07:12 PM roycroft: the eufymake looks really good for the price
07:12 PM xxcoder: make a good space for PPA station
07:12 PM roycroft: it has me intrigued
07:12 PM lcnc-relay: <Lesliet@> I pulled the trigger on a cricut-like vinyl cutter, for making gaskets
07:12 PM roycroft: i have a vinyl cutter
07:12 PM xxcoder: good, as long as its not actual cricut
07:12 PM xxcoder: those suck
07:12 PM lcnc-relay: <Lesliet@> I didn't want their software
07:12 PM roycroft: i don't think it would work for gaskets, though
07:13 PM roycroft: it's more like a plotter - it is designed for roll material, and does not have a flat bed like a cricut
07:13 PM xxcoder: I bought an used cricut. turns out they keep changing to cut out linux
07:13 PM lcnc-relay: <Lesliet@> have seen yt vids of this one cutting gaskets, and they have a deep cutting knife as an option, so I am hopeful it will serve
07:13 PM xxcoder: so its brick to me so I gave it away
07:13 PM lcnc-relay: <Lesliet@> oof, that's terrible
07:13 PM * roycroft wonders if a laser cutter would work for some gaskets
07:13 PM lcnc-relay: <Lesliet@> yes
07:14 PM xxcoder: yeah and its before you find out they limit number of designs you can do in a month
07:14 PM lcnc-relay: <Lesliet@> and also for felt for way covers
07:14 PM lcnc-relay: <Lesliet@> way wipers, sorry
07:15 PM lcnc-relay: <Lesliet@> xxcoder: I'd heard so much bad stuff about actual cricuts, I never even considered getting their brand
07:15 PM xxcoder: yeah. they went so deep into enshittifcation
07:15 PM roycroft: cutting rubber or neoprene or similar gaskets with a laser would really stink
07:15 PM xxcoder: even many of worse companies didnt go that far
07:15 PM roycroft: but i am installing a vent system for my laser cuttter
07:16 PM roycroft: my vinyl cutter is vevor
07:16 PM roycroft: and i can use third-party software to run it
07:16 PM lcnc-relay: <Lesliet@> roycroft: most of what I need will be paper, or the thicker paper based gasket material. Occasionally cork.
07:16 PM roycroft: iirc it's grbl-based
07:16 PM roycroft: and i got mine for free
07:17 PM lcnc-relay: <Lesliet@> cool.
07:17 PM lcnc-relay: <Lesliet@> mine has free software that I'll probably try
07:17 PM xxcoder: nice
07:17 PM roycroft: i bought one, it was missing parts, so i went to return it and get another one
07:17 PM lcnc-relay: <Lesliet@> already played with it
07:17 PM roycroft: the second one was also missing parts
07:17 PM roycroft: but different parts
07:17 PM lcnc-relay: <Lesliet@> you have the worst luck with stuff like that
07:17 PM roycroft: amazon told me just to keep them both and the refunded my money in full
07:18 PM lcnc-relay: <Lesliet@> so, build one working one?
07:18 PM roycroft: yes
07:18 PM roycroft: i have one that works fine now
07:18 PM lcnc-relay: <Lesliet@> well, worst luck, but also best in some ways. Annoying to deal with that, though
07:18 PM roycroft: and a bunch of spare parts
07:19 PM roycroft: yes, i've gotten a lot of stuff free or for a steep discount because of those kinds of issues
07:19 PM roycroft: i'm not sure if it's worth all the hassle
07:19 PM roycroft: but it probably is
07:19 PM lcnc-relay: <Lesliet@> I just want stuff to work, I have enough projects already
07:19 PM lcnc-relay: <Lesliet@> :p
07:19 PM roycroft: i still haven't been rebilled for my paint sprayer, so i'm assuming that is free now
07:19 PM roycroft: well, more than free
07:19 PM xxcoder: oh boy lol
07:19 PM roycroft: i think i'm about $100 ahead on it, plus the sprayer
07:20 PM roycroft: but it took three sprayers before i got one that was new and works
07:20 PM lcnc-relay: <Lesliet@> they're probably hoping you'll just go away, at this point _laughing_
07:21 PM roycroft: kind of
07:22 PM roycroft: but i got a $1k sprayer for free
07:22 PM roycroft: and i've spent another $1k on accessories for it
07:23 PM roycroft: which i probably would not have spent up front if i had to pay for the sprayer itself
07:24 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks@> Adam savage isn't the most knowlegable person.. Just because he had a tv show and a very big youtube channel - he is what he is. I watch a lot of his content and pick it apart. But he doesn't hide things and admits when he is wrong or makes mistakes.
07:24 PM xxcoder: thats the important part
07:24 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks@> he is kinda just a joe blow..
07:24 PM roycroft: he's a jack of all trades but master of none type
07:24 PM xxcoder: people who disappear mistakes gets a unsub or wont get sub
07:24 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks@> yes
07:25 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks@> I can relate to him.
07:25 PM roycroft: and he knows enough about most of the things he does that i'm fine with him making videos about those things
07:25 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks@> I agree
07:25 PM roycroft: but when it comes to machining, he is so ignorant that he really has no business pretending to know anything about it at all
07:26 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks@> also agree.. he is a bit scary when using his lathe and mill
07:26 PM roycroft: yup
07:26 PM roycroft: he doesn't know much about woodworking, but he does not often give bad or sometimes wrong advise about woodworking
07:27 PM roycroft: whereas almost anything he says about machining is wrong, and very often either potentially harmful to the machine and/or harmful to the operator
07:27 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks@> he comes from the special effects area of movie making.. You make it look good - don't worry about the longevity...
07:28 PM roycroft: yes
07:28 PM roycroft: and i've learned a lot watching his videos
07:29 PM roycroft: it's just when it's bridgeport time it's inevitably non-stop cringe time
07:29 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks@> yes - I really think I want a vaccum former...
07:32 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks@> (he almost lost a finger trying to clean his lathe)
07:32 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks@> but he didn't hide it and talked about how stupid he was for doing what he did
07:37 PM roycroft: i agree that when he does dumbass things and is aware that he did them, he 'fesses up
07:38 PM roycroft: the problem is that a lot of the machining he does is dumbass but he's not aware that it is
07:38 PM * roycroft points out that this is not intended to be an adam savage rant
07:38 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks@> lol
07:39 PM roycroft: it's really only is machining work that i take issue with
07:39 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks@> it is ok - we all have our weaknesses.. some know it - some don't
07:39 PM roycroft: which is not to say he's perfect in all other things
07:39 PM roycroft: but he's not as singularly unqualified to most other things as he is when he tries to do machining
07:40 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks@> I come into most projects thinking I won't be able to figure it out. but that is just me...
07:40 PM roycroft: and all he would have to do is take a junior college machining class for a year and he would be like 1000% better at machining than he is now
07:40 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks@> it has taken me years to know that I probably will figure it out - and that I probably am not a dumbass most of the time.
07:40 PM * roycroft is not a machinist, but has taken machining classes, and at least knows the basics
07:42 PM roycroft: ishitana furniture just dropped a new video
07:42 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks@> funny story.. when dad found the K&T machining centers in the junk - he took a cnc class at the local tech school.. The teacher told him he would never get the machine running - because it was too complex...
07:43 PM roycroft: if any of you aren't familiar with that channel, i highly recommend checking it out
07:44 PM roycroft: ishitani, rather
07:44 PM roycroft: sorry about the typo
07:45 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks@> (this would have been around the late 80's)
07:46 PM roycroft: you'll probably find that lot of the tech school/junior college machining instructors would still say the same thing today
07:46 PM lcnc-relay: <Lesliet@> does take some sticktuitiveness to finish a machine project
07:47 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks@> dad had adhd... but he got a surprisingly large amount of things finished...
07:48 PM lcnc-relay: <Lesliet@> skunkworks@: there's a certain amount of frustration involved at times. I still feel like a dumbass a lot of the time, though
07:48 PM lcnc-relay: <Lesliet@> so much I don't know yet, and not enough time in a life to learn it all
07:49 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks@> yesp
07:49 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks@> yep
07:50 PM roycroft: i'm at an age where i'm taking things off the bucket list to have a better chance of doing the things that remain on the bucket list
07:50 PM roycroft: i spent most of my life growing the bucket list
07:50 PM roycroft: while checking things off, of course
07:51 PM roycroft: but it grew faster than i could check things off
07:51 PM Tom_L: is there a hole in the bucket?
07:51 PM lcnc-relay: <Lesliet@> I've spent a lifetime being a generalist. Slower progress in all things, but lots of crossover knowledge, and cross-pollination of ideas on making stuff
07:53 PM roycroft: i've always prided myself on having a breadth of knowledge and experiences
07:54 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks@> I don't have a list... or atleast not a physical list... I seem to just eb and flow through new experiences and feel fulfilled...
07:55 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks@> being a late bloomer - kids where not something I thought I would ever have.. but boy - so glad it happened. (and glad that it was later in my life as I don't think I would have appreciated it when I was younger...
08:02 PM xxcoder: I'm older than my dad was when I was born
08:03 PM xxcoder: he would be 99 for few more months, then 100
08:04 PM xxcoder: it was pretty late for him lol
08:04 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks@> my parents were young.. mom was 16 when she had my sister
08:04 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks@> but that was mostly a different time.
08:06 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks@> my dad was still firmly in his 20's when they had me...
08:06 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks@> sister and I were 7 years apart.
08:07 PM xxcoder: my brother and sis is year apart, and im 4 years apart from brother
08:07 PM xxcoder: I'm yongest
08:07 PM xxcoder: youngest too
08:10 PM _unreal_: I'm eldest
08:10 PM _unreal_: of 8
08:11 PM _unreal_: 6 that I'm related to
08:13 PM _unreal_: just got a repeat client. dont know if we will sign but he wants me to CNC a mold for him to build a new replacement bar for a luxury yacht
08:13 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks@> My sister and I being 7 years apart were never really close.. my two kids are a little more than 2 years apart.. I hope they have a better relationship
08:13 PM _unreal_: the last project I did for him... I made like $2k for 8hr of work
08:14 PM _unreal_: I've just got the one. she has a great relationship with her self ;)
08:14 PM _unreal_: I think
08:15 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks@> Lol - they don't have the greatest relationship now at 10 and 13...
08:16 PM _unreal_: mine is 16 and every boys heart throb :/
08:17 PM xxcoder: I'm just glad I'm not a dad
08:18 PM _unreal_: really pissed me off! the beginning of this year my brother showed up ON her birthday demanding help moving are late fathers stuff from the house and moving stuff between multi storage units. I didnt even get to give my daughter a sweet 16 birthday party :(
08:18 PM _unreal_: xxcoder, thats sad :(
08:18 PM _unreal_: its soo much fun to get squeezy hugs
08:19 PM xxcoder: lol I'm sure. I just isnt much into relationships so will never have kids. I'm sure I would be a horrible father too
08:19 PM _unreal_: o.O
08:19 PM xxcoder: my bro have 4 kids
08:20 PM xxcoder: none a child now
08:22 PM _unreal_: https://photos.app.goo.gl/ZVxFnvZABBCnJGsW9
08:22 PM _unreal_: check the botttom images
08:22 PM _unreal_: thats an other client I just finished
08:23 PM xxcoder: wondering why water is on on sink picture
08:25 PM lcnc-relay: <Jacob@> Chasing some wiring issues, let me know if these symptoms point to anything glaring. I’m pretty positive I’ve got either a short or some mis matched wires at my connectors but thought I’d run by you guys before I go tearing heat shrink off.
08:25 PM lcnc-relay: Here’s how it’s laid out - stepper signal wires spliced to 5c cable. 5c cable to 5 pin aviation connectors, connector to cable, cable to terminal blocks in the panel, TB’s to Mesa card & psu bus. I’ve verified all the wires in the panel are in the right place.
08:25 PM lcnc-relay: Z stepper working just fine. X stepper is weird. I can hear it power on, but when given jog commands (through keyboard arrow keys) it will vibrate from what seems like inside the stepper and sort of jiggle the shaft but not enough to cause any real motion. I wasn’t getting any motion until I swapped my DIR & COM wires at the TB’s in the panel, which tells me I’ve definitely got some wires wrong in the cabling upstream
08:26 PM lcnc-relay: Any guesses?
08:35 PM _unreal_: is it a bipolar stepper?
08:36 PM lcnc-relay: <Jacob@> Apologies but I have no idea what that means
08:36 PM lcnc-relay: <Jacob@> https://jauriarts.org/_heisenbridge/media/jauriarts.org/reeKmggRGScAdDeDAdmmRyFk/h34LIFyNXCk/IMG_2178.png
08:37 PM _unreal_: if its a bipolar stepper. shut it down (power) and switch any 2 wires going TO the motor. power everything up and try moving that stepper. if it moves you where out of phase
08:37 PM lcnc-relay: <Jacob@> https://jauriarts.org/_heisenbridge/media/jauriarts.org/bZsoJVnxIFtNLAMQvXiOwDAc/3oTN0df6Y78/IMG_2179.png
08:39 PM _unreal_: You have an everything all in one set ofmotors?
08:39 PM _unreal_: meaning the motor controller is built inside the motor?
08:40 PM lcnc-relay: <Jacob@> The driver is built in, I think that the company has software you can use as a controller but I’m using a Mesa 7i96s
08:40 PM lcnc-relay: <Jacob@> I’m going to try and grab a video of the behavior in question
08:42 PM lcnc-relay: <Jacob@> https://jauriarts.org/_heisenbridge/media/jauriarts.org/AvBCvqfPdQitplsdwjSISVir/gG3LV2XDRgs/78443529820__9F58CF08-5676-48E9-A33D-EF154A39FA3D.mov
08:42 PM lcnc-relay: <Jacob@> Here you can see the Z stepper working, and you can probably hear the X stepper trying and see a bit of the jiggle
08:48 PM _unreal_: being an all built into one. I would see about swaping controls with that motor and the z motor
08:49 PM _unreal_: if your still getting the same thing then start from basics. thats an all in one setup so far as I can tell. the first thing i would look at is the ground or power. if its not that then maybe your enable. or the step/dir pins. beyond that the only other thing it could be would be a settings issue using the black white green wires. BTW you have 2 black wires do you have the correct black wire setup?
08:50 PM _unreal_: 9 and 2 are both black
08:50 PM _unreal_: sorry
08:50 PM _unreal_: 7 and 2
08:51 PM _unreal_: 7 may not be designed for ground return power FYI
08:51 PM _unreal_: just signal return
08:51 PM lcnc-relay: <Jacob@> Gave that a shot, still giggled and acted weird. Swapped at the connectors. And for reference, I had everything working when it was on the bench before final wiring. I just swapped my pwr wires because I may have soldered them into the connector opposite, no dice but now I’m swapping my step/dir pair back to its original and see what happens
08:51 PM lcnc-relay: <Jacob@> https://jauriarts.org/_heisenbridge/media/jauriarts.org/QzqkMmSUyxyvQTbVkmbobqlZ/R5ng12PsaKk/IMG_D0875FD9-9779-49C3-ABBC-8367AEFA1D7E.jpg
08:52 PM lcnc-relay: <Jacob@> My pwr and signal are separated up here so I know I don’t have the two blacks mixed up
08:52 PM lcnc-relay: <Jacob@> https://jauriarts.org/_heisenbridge/media/jauriarts.org/YdWgFhCxDddtrHWOPvqlzwMO/L6H0ByY_MUw/IMG_2181.jpg
08:53 PM lcnc-relay: <Jacob@> No dice with swapping pwr between +&- and swapping step/dir. I think it’s time to pull the conduit and re do my connectors
08:55 PM lcnc-relay: <Jacob@> Ahhh I think I found it. I’ve got one side of the connector going 12345, and the other going 54321 🤦♂️
09:03 PM xxcoder: fun lol
09:03 PM xxcoder: something was learnt in least
09:04 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks@> Learting is always good
09:05 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks@> Learnting
09:05 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks@> Of course
09:14 PM Tom_L: learn at least 1 new thing every day
09:14 PM Tom_L: i try to go by that
09:18 PM xxcoder: yep
09:22 PM roycroft: that's easy to do
09:23 PM roycroft: for example, i learn every day that yesterday was not the end of the world
09:35 PM lcnc-relay: <Jacob@> Welllll I fixed the connector but still have weirdness going on. Back to the panel
09:35 PM xxcoder: one less obscuring issue
09:45 PM _unreal_: jacob. if I could reccomend anything. it would be to wire the wierd motor to the z setup IDENTICAL. ensure all wires are correct. one to one... if the motor its self is still having issues then it may be the motor
09:45 PM _unreal_: or a programming issue since it has that feature
09:46 PM lcnc-relay: <Jacob@> So I took the coupler off the stepper and, voila, it’s working. I think it may just be undersized to move this big cross slide. I have it pretty tight to try and keep slop to a minimum, I may try and loosen it up or just swap to the size I’ve got on Z
09:46 PM _unreal_: just remember RULE of thumb. I dont care what any manufacture says. never change any settings even power settings on a controller when it is powered. I.E. POTs or dip switches. you never know when a driver will fail because of a change that can only be done when power is off
09:47 PM _unreal_: It could be undersized or its set output power is set low if its adjustable
09:47 PM lcnc-relay: <Jacob@> https://jauriarts.org/_heisenbridge/media/jauriarts.org/UtiadpIpbODzfqNVzkcgFzDe/WJy5RV09-EM/78443924391__A4EA5D38-79EA-49D2-8883-FA98238990DB.mov
09:59 PM lcnc-relay: <Jacob@> _unreal_: Is this a LinuxCNC config setting or it would be a physical stepper setting? It’s only 1.26nm 3.5a and the lathe is pretty hefty
09:59 PM lcnc-relay: <Jacob@> And it’s an acme lead screw not ball screw
10:08 PM _unreal_: acme typically will require a higher ounce inch
10:09 PM _unreal_: 1.26nm is 176 ounce inch
10:10 PM _unreal_: the steppers on my cnc machine are 400 ounce inch going to a 6:1 timing belt setup going to 1/2-13 threaded rod
10:10 PM _unreal_: jacob if you didnt see it https://photos.app.goo.gl/ZVxFnvZABBCnJGsW9
10:11 PM _unreal_: there area few pictures you can see the belts on my big cnc machine, the other machine is a laser
10:11 PM _unreal_: lasers have little load so they dont need big motors
10:48 PM lcnc-relay: <RRAMAGE@> I have my problems with the software that this Roland mill uses but I sure can't hate on the electronics. This is a nice bit of kit, hopefully all I have to change is the motion control card
10:48 PM lcnc-relay: <RRAMAGE@> https://jauriarts.org/_heisenbridge/media/jauriarts.org/wLotzpNpvrZlQcbZDrzySBCP/s-xjlVWDTI4/roland_brains.jpg