#linuxcnc Logs

Nov 07 2025

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12:56 AM Deejay: moin
03:11 AM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> 0 label 🙁
03:11 AM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> maintenance will be a nightmare
04:25 AM Tom_L: morning
06:24 AM lcnc-relay: <Lucid Nonsense@> Mornin
06:25 AM lcnc-relay: <Lucid Nonsense@> Gotta love evaporust
06:25 AM lcnc-relay: <Lucid Nonsense@> https://jauriarts.org/_heisenbridge/media/jauriarts.org/tKSwhPVkZeFEVrXaovjVHcnR/uinXPn6oqc4/20251107_122345.jpg
07:19 AM lcnc-relay: <rdtsc@> Ironically, phosphorus and other impurities which are specifically removed from steel today (to make it much easier to work), greatly increases its affinity for rust. Steels before the Bessemer process (1855) barely rusted at all (like how the addition of chromium in SS makes it not rust, but harder to machine.)
07:20 AM lcnc-relay: <rdtsc@> * reduced
07:34 AM lcnc-relay: <Lucid Nonsense@> Interesting
09:23 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
09:24 AM lcnc-relay: <xxcodeᴦ@> Jacob@: love it when plan go together eh
11:04 AM lcnc-relay: <sliptonic (Brad Collette)@> Anyone have a recipe to get linuxcnc running on arch (simulation only) ?
11:11 AM roycroft: if you're just wanting to test it it is probably best to boot from a live cd or install it in a debian-based vm
11:12 AM roycroft: arch is radically different to most linux distros, and i suspect there has been about zero effort to support it
11:12 AM lcnc-relay: <sliptonic (Brad Collette)@> I'm doing some parallel development. Need to run a simulator environment on my development machine
11:13 AM * roycroft isn't sure what that means, but doubts that linuxcnc can be made to run on arch without a herculean effort
11:14 AM lcnc-relay: <rdtsc@> "pamac search linuxcnc" does show 2.9.4-1, but only from the AUR... sounds like an afterthought
11:14 AM roycroft: linuxcnc is very os-specific in its requirements, and as such, it's best to use the os for which it was developed or, at least, something very similar
11:14 AM lcnc-relay: <sliptonic (Brad Collette)@> It means I'm developing code for a parallel project. Integration between lcnc and FreeCAD (and other CADs). I don't need realtime because I'm not driving a real machine.
11:14 AM lcnc-relay: I'm seeing posts on the forum where people got it working but they're all installing a RT kernel.
11:16 AM lcnc-relay: <rdtsc@> used to be hard; pretty easy to get a rt_preempt in arch now
11:18 AM roycroft: i've almost no experience with arch, but my recollection is that with its rolling release model it's difficult to maintain custom kernels
11:18 AM roycroft: i should say my impression, not my recollection
11:18 AM roycroft: as i really am not very familiar with it at all
11:23 AM JT-Cave: linuxcnc runs on gentoo
11:30 AM roycroft: gentoo was another kind of outlier distro until chromeos was forked from it
11:30 AM roycroft: but since chromeos, it's turned into a major distrubition
11:32 AM roycroft: arch is still a rather minor disto
11:32 AM roycroft: and please note that when i use the terms "major" and "minor" as qualifiers, i'm talking about market penetration, and am not referring to the "quality" of the disto in any way
11:33 AM roycroft: in no way am i implying that arch is inferior to any other distro
11:58 AM lcnc-relay: <Jacob@> vibram@: Not to worry, each block has small labels you can’t see in the pic, and an excel sheet keeping track of all connections. But, I still managed to mess it up, so that shows how well it worked!
11:59 AM lcnc-relay: I think there’s some dyslexic moments at play now that I can’t just match wire colors all the way through
12:01 PM * roycroft tends to test each connection as he goes, instead of wiring an entire harnass/chassis and then testing
12:01 PM roycroft: that way i can fix my screwups as i make them :)
12:09 PM lcnc-relay: <rdtsc@> Invest in one of those small label printers like a Dymo or Brother... used one to label each CAT6 cable as it was wired throughout my house and this greatly reduced error - will use it on the mill build as well
12:11 PM lcnc-relay: <Lesliet@> I like to print labels out on paper, and then use clear heat shrink to secure them on wires. This way, they don't fall off after a year or two
12:16 PM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> This is not well done and colours are not OK but everything is labeled
12:16 PM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> https://jauriarts.org/_heisenbridge/media/jauriarts.org/efFypMIQRwzxdZYxJOgLhpQw/s6OITY28z6U/IMG_20250831_214412.jpg
12:16 PM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> And it helps a lot debugging
12:16 PM roycroft: there's a really nice, affordable epson label printer that is made for labling cables, and one can get heat-shrink labels for it
12:20 PM lcnc-relay: <rdtsc@> vibram@: Careful, looks like there may be a screw that fell into the bottom terminal block with the two A0 or AU purple wires in it. 🙂
12:21 PM lcnc-relay: <Lesliet@> might be a bit of insulation from a purple wire?
12:21 PM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> rdtsc@: Well see! It has been removed since thanks you
12:21 PM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> Lesliet@: What do you mean?
12:21 PM roycroft: https://labelworks.epson.com/collections/lw-px700
12:21 PM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> Oh right the screw
12:21 PM lcnc-relay: <Lesliet@> lol, I mean rdtsc has really good eyes to spot that detail
12:21 PM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> Yes it was isolation wire
12:22 PM roycroft: and if you don't believe me, when i bought mine and discussed it here, jt immediately bought one, and he likes it
12:22 PM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> Can you confirm my reading of this schematic please? H1 and h2 must be wired to +24v right?
12:22 PM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> https://jauriarts.org/_heisenbridge/media/jauriarts.org/qYwxMGOjPxUXAlkdqrcLQaTq/MncfOJjkbq4/Screenshot_2025-11-07-16-58-39-134_com.google.android.apps.docs-edit.jpg
12:22 PM lcnc-relay: <rdtsc@> that's the kind of thing that will turn a good day right around 🙂
12:23 PM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> And 0v to SC
12:24 PM lcnc-relay: <rdtsc@> vibram@: Looks correct, yes
12:27 PM lcnc-relay: <rdtsc@> Those optocouplers on the right are bidirectional; HC can be 0V or +24V (it will work in sourcing or sinking mode.) SC pin is more convoluted however.
12:28 PM lcnc-relay: <rdtsc@> Looks like SC can be configured to output +24V
12:32 PM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> Thanks!
12:32 PM lcnc-relay: <rdtsc@> I'd just leave SC alone for now 🙂
12:34 PM lcnc-relay: <rdtsc@> Do note, the way they have that drawn, they're assuming you're going to put +24 on SC, making the common (HC) +24V, and actuating anything is via a pull to ground (so-called sinking.)
12:35 PM lcnc-relay: <rdtsc@> Don't have to do it that way; drawings can be weird.
01:00 PM lcnc-relay: <sliptonic (Brad Collette)@> roycroft: Changing fast. Arch was #34 last year (higher than gentoo). #13 last three months and #12 last month.
01:00 PM lcnc-relay: https://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=popularity
01:00 PM lcnc-relay: It has gotten quite good an good support of wayland+hyprland.
01:00 PM lcnc-relay: I was a Mint/Ubuntu enthusiast for a long time. I made the switch early last summer to see what the fuss was about and haven't looked back.
01:02 PM xxcoder: i used linux mint for quite a long time, then few years ago I moved to lmde 6, now 7. same people, but no ubuntu.
01:02 PM xxcoder: some stuff is missing but quite good
01:02 PM roycroft: i look at os families, for the most part, and not individual distros
01:03 PM lcnc-relay: <sliptonic (Brad Collette)@> The #1 on the distrowatch list is cachyos. That's Arch family
01:03 PM xxcoder: I will never use hyprland
01:03 PM roycroft: if you're running a fedora family os it's usually pretty straightforward to port code to another fedora family distro
01:03 PM lcnc-relay: <sliptonic (Brad Collette)@> xxcoder: Why not?
01:04 PM xxcoder: cant say much here
01:04 PM roycroft: similar with debian
01:04 PM roycroft: i hear folks say all the time that they don't use debian - they run ubuntu
01:04 PM roycroft: well, ubuntu is essentially debian
01:05 PM roycroft: i lump them together
01:05 PM xxcoder: lmde dont have ubuntu stuff in it
01:05 PM roycroft: lmde is debian-based
01:06 PM roycroft: ubuntu would be a sibling to lmde, not a parent
01:06 PM roycroft: in my mind it's all debian
01:06 PM xxcoder: yeah. linux mint debian edition. right there in name :D
01:07 PM xxcoder: I dont want ubuntu because they push snap and I hate it, among others
01:07 PM roycroft: having used ubuntu and mint, i think of both of those more as workstation-oriented distros
01:07 PM roycroft: while debian itself is more server-oriented
01:07 PM lcnc-relay: <wrickert@> I miss using Gentoo but I just dont have the time any more for long compiling updates.
01:07 PM roycroft: and in fact, my old imac in the studio and my linux-based laptop in the studio both run mint
01:08 PM xxcoder: lmde exists because lm people want to have backup in case ubuntu gets worse
01:08 PM roycroft: yet virtually all the vms on the machines in my server rack run debian
01:09 PM roycroft: i may be wrong about the history, but iirc linux mint was originally forked from ubuntu, but has moved towards being a direct debian fork over the years
01:09 PM xxcoder: more or less. lm still have lot of ubuntu stuff
01:09 PM xxcoder: its been moving more and more away from ubuntu. you can install snap as its fork from ubuntu, but its not in by default.
01:10 PM roycroft: one of the things i really like about debian is that its updater and package management systems are fast and almost bullet-proof
01:11 PM xxcoder: less important to me as user, but yeah
01:11 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks@> the electric pressure washer I left out side all winter still works
01:11 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks@> yaya
01:11 PM roycroft: and yes, i still take snapshots of a vm before doing a major os upgrade, but i can't remember the last time that an upgrade failed and i had to restore a snapshot
01:12 PM roycroft: i haven't bothered taking snapshots before a point upgrade in years
01:12 PM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> rdtsc@: SC I would put 0v no?
01:12 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks@> I switched to debian when linuxcnc did
01:12 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks@> now I just run it
01:12 PM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> And 24v to input S1 to S8
01:12 PM roycroft: i lost my fascination with operating systems decades ago, literally
01:12 PM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> SC if for sink common I assume
01:12 PM roycroft: they're just a tool now
01:13 PM roycroft: and i grab the tool that works best for me for the task at hand
01:13 PM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> And you put 24v to input to activate it would be the correct wiring for sinking isn't it?
01:13 PM roycroft: i still have some machines running centos, because they run apps that require it
01:13 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks@> same
01:14 PM lcnc-relay: <rdtsc@> vibram@: Can do it either way: HC=0v and +24 on anything to turn it on (sourcing), or +24 on HC or SC and 0V on anything to turn it on (sinking.)
01:14 PM * roycroft needs to call aaa
01:14 PM roycroft: it's time for my pickup to go to the shop, finally
01:14 PM roycroft: my appointment, which i made over a month ago, is for november 10
01:15 PM roycroft: i'm not looking forward to it
01:15 PM roycroft: the low end of the cost is going to be $1500
01:15 PM roycroft: and it could be as much as $5500
01:15 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks@> yeck
01:15 PM roycroft: $5500 makes me wonder if it's worth fixing
01:16 PM roycroft: but it would cost me at least $15k to get an equivalent vehicle
01:16 PM roycroft: so i'll probably pay whatever it costs
01:16 PM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> rdtsc@: Oh OK Im still learning but for me sinking was 0v common and 24v on input to activate. I will learn again
01:16 PM xxcoder: I was wondering if it was good idea to get large truck and do engine and transmission swap
01:16 PM xxcoder: might be cheaper long term lol
01:17 PM roycroft: the transmission is what i am getting fixed
01:17 PM roycroft: it's leaking transmission fluid
01:17 PM roycroft: it could be just a seal, which is the $1500 estimate, or it could need a rebuild, which is the $5500 estimate
01:18 PM roycroft: it's not been slipping at all, but when the fluid gets low there is a shifting delay
01:18 PM roycroft: i'm hoping it's just the seal
01:18 PM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> https://jauriarts.org/_heisenbridge/media/jauriarts.org/wJMiqWizTsaUctNKFEhuXVyh/3gZJ3tfrMpI/RDT_20251107_2018014666696977273495368.jpg
01:18 PM roycroft: but i have a slush fund that can handle whatever
01:18 PM roycroft: i just like that slush fund and do not want to totally deplete it
01:19 PM xxcoder: honestly on hyprland, even if there was no concerning reasons, I wouldnt use it still. I use pc, not stare at eyecandy
01:19 PM xxcoder: if I want eyecandy, I'll just load awesome digital artwork or something
01:20 PM xxcoder: xfce all way for me lol
01:21 PM lcnc-relay: <rdtsc@> vibram@: Like many things in electronics, it depends on which direction you look at it from. Here they're talking about from the perspective of the input pins themselves (load-side), so in the first image they're calling that sinking because each input "sinks" current. But from the power supply perspective, it is sourcing current. So as a famous electronics college professor once said, "It's the same thing only different."
01:23 PM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> Understood
01:24 PM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> I will try 0v on sc and 24v on h1 and h2 to see if it works
01:24 PM lcnc-relay: <rdtsc@> To make matters even more convoluted, this "conventional" flow-direction (what we call a source) is physically opposite in reality - the electrons come from the negative terminal, towards the positive one... but anyways 🙂
01:26 PM xxcoder: I would have loved time machine to correct that
01:26 PM xxcoder: they essentally did a coin flip as they couldnt tell if I recall right
01:26 PM xxcoder: sadly it didnt go well
01:33 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks@> I can see why people like steam pressure washers
01:38 PM xxcoder: yeah?
01:41 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks@> this thing has caked on crap
01:42 PM xxcoder: and steam takes it off easily?
01:42 PM roycroft: steam pressure washers are awesome
01:45 PM roycroft: to make convoluted matters even more convoluted, not only does electricity "flow" in the opposite direction to what most people think the electrons don't actually move much at all
01:46 PM roycroft: a better analogy is that as current "flows" from negative to positive, electrons on the negative side "push" on electrons on the positive side, thus transmitting electrical force to the positive side
02:06 PM Unterhaus_ is now known as Unterhausen
02:08 PM Unterhausen: The neighbor's house is up for sale. Scary. He wasn't the best neighbor, but he was mostly harmless
02:15 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:443/~webpage/cnc/JT-SHOP/flexgui/rpi5/mill-touch-main.png
02:15 PM Tom_L: touch version minimum
02:15 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:443/~webpage/cnc/JT-SHOP/flexgui/rpi5/mill-touch-main-full.png
02:15 PM Tom_L: full size
02:29 PM lcnc-relay: <Jacob@> Looks great Tom!
02:32 PM lcnc-relay: <Jacob@> vibram@: Looks nice to me! What are the channels with the slots your wires live in called? Those look handy.
02:32 PM lcnc-relay: I went ahead and picked up some number clips for my terminal blocks. I do like the idea of label + clear heat shrink too
02:33 PM lcnc-relay: <Jacob@> I think if (when) I do my panel over I’ll add about 6” to each wire to keep things a bit tidier
02:35 PM lcnc-relay: <ccatlett1984@> Jacob@: Open Slot Wire Duct
02:37 PM lcnc-relay: <Jacob@> Thank you! And so long as the cables are shielded, there’s no issue with cables running parallel?
02:39 PM lcnc-relay: <ccatlett1984@> usually yes, although as a rule i prefer to separate high voltage (mains), from data/signalling wires
02:43 PM roycroft: unterhausen: no worries - nobody can afford to buy a house now
02:43 PM roycroft: it will be on the market for a while
02:44 PM lcnc-relay: <Jacob@> Thanks Cat. I’m just scratching the surface of signal integrity techniques, so another question for those in the know;
02:44 PM lcnc-relay: Most of the cables I used in my panel are 18/2 or 20/2. It’s cheap and easy. Some of my connections I found it easier to connect the twin wires of each component, rather than blocks that are directly next to each other. An example would be using one leg of the 2c for the B terminal on my X encoder, and the other leg for the B terminal on my Z encoder. In that way it’s easy because both are going to the ‘same’ position on their...
02:44 PM lcnc-relay: ... respective blocks on the Mesa card.
02:44 PM lcnc-relay: Is best practice to separate like signals, or keep them together? Or it doesn’t really matter?
02:46 PM roycroft: what i've always been told is you can run like signals parallel to each other but should run dislike signals (power vs data, for example) so they cross perpendicularly to each other
02:47 PM roycroft: there are several EEs here, and i am not one of them, so i may be corrected soon :)
02:48 PM roycroft: i can say that i've followed that advice without incident
02:49 PM roycroft: james watson has left the building
02:50 PM lcnc-relay: <Jacob@> roycroft: Good enough for me! Thanks
02:51 PM roycroft: i tend to twist pairs for data signals
02:51 PM roycroft: i'm not srue how necessary that is, but at least it helps keep the wiring harnass neater
02:54 PM roycroft: https://www.harborfreight.com/6-in-safety-wire-twisting-pliers-57397.html
02:54 PM roycroft: if you're in the us you can get the tool to do that for $12
03:10 PM Tom_L: mmm i have a good pair of those
03:10 PM Tom_L: snapon probably
03:12 PM Unterhausen: roycroft house is listed at $215k The open houses have been a madhouse, I assume they are hoping for bids over asking
03:23 PM roycroft: inventory went way up here, and average sell time went way up, but then inventory dried up again
03:23 PM roycroft: what my realtor friends are telling me is that folks were wanting to sell but not finding buyers, but now everyone is afraid that the economy is going to crash and are staying put
03:24 PM roycroft: tom_l: quite possibly not snap-on
03:24 PM roycroft: those are widely used in the aircraft industry, and there are some market-specific brands that the aircraft folks like to use
03:25 PM roycroft: i think the harbor freight ones are more geared towards folks mending their fences and the like at home
03:25 PM roycroft: but they work decently
03:25 PM roycroft: i don't need to spend $200 on aviation wire twisters :)
03:27 PM roycroft: the aaa towing company are over an hour late
03:27 PM * roycroft wonders if there was another wreck on highway 58
03:40 PM roycroft: and they just showed up with a tiny hook truck
03:40 PM roycroft: the transmission shop told me to be sure to get a flatbed
03:40 PM roycroft: and i told aa that
03:40 PM roycroft: aaa
03:40 PM roycroft: so now we get a different one
03:49 PM roycroft: which allegedly is on the way
03:49 PM roycroft: the last guy got to drive 50 miles for nothing
03:49 PM roycroft: and another 50 miles home for nothing, if he can't pick up a job on the way back
03:59 PM JT-Shop: truck down?
04:01 PM roycroft: transmission fluid leak
04:01 PM roycroft: a pretty substantial one
04:01 PM roycroft: the transmission shop does not want me to drive it at all
04:02 PM roycroft: if it's just the seal, and no damage done, it's a $1500 repair
04:02 PM roycroft: if there is damage it could be a $5500 rebuild
04:02 PM roycroft: i do not want a $5500 rebuild, and will avoid it if possible
04:12 PM roycroft: now they will be on their way in an hour
04:13 PM roycroft: which means they will arrive in 2 hours
04:30 PM Tom_L: roycroft, snapon or bluepoint. i've had them for probably 40 yrs
04:35 PM roycroft: snapon and bluepoint are the same thing with different labels
04:35 PM roycroft: the price is the only real difference
04:35 PM roycroft: and snapon have a come-to-you truck
04:35 PM roycroft: but i don't think that makes it worth the price difference
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05:01 PM rdtsc: Jacob@, I looked for a concise answer and would you believe, nobody has made a "this is what the signal looks like when single-ended vs. differential when run parallel with other conductors" video? lol
05:03 PM rdtsc: TL;DR: when conductors run in parallel, some of the changes couple (magnetically), just like in a transformer. However this is in the air (no metal transformer core) so the coupling is very small. So any wires will couple a little bit of "noise" when run together, however differential will reject 90% of it.
05:05 PM rdtsc: The amount of coupling depends on how close together the wires are, and how long of a distance they run. So no easy way to say "go" or "no-go." Bottom line, differential is much more robust but uses more wire.
05:05 PM roycroft: with differential you just twist the pairs and you're good go to, for the most part
05:06 PM rdtsc: true; with differential you want the wires to be as close as possible - differential won't be nearly as effective if one of the wires goes around to the other side of the machine. :)
05:06 PM * JT-Shop noticed that different pairs in CAT are twisted at a different twist per unit of measure
05:07 PM rdtsc: true, and there's a reason for that (which escapes me atm)
05:08 PM roycroft: the higher the rating the tighter they are twisted, and the higher frequencies they can handle
05:08 PM roycroft: i presume that twisting them tighter makes them less susceptable to noise
05:08 PM rdtsc: According to AI, "CAT pairs are twisted at different rates to minimize crosstalk between the pairs, which can occur when they have the same twist rate. This variation ensures that the conductors do not align consistently, helping to maintain signal integrity and reduce interference."
05:08 PM roycroft: but exactly what that is i do not know
05:09 PM JT-Shop: rdtsc, that makes sense
05:09 PM roycroft: yes, and that addresses a different issue to what i was thinking, having just skimmed the original statement
05:10 PM * roycroft needs to go pick up an rx before the towing vehicle is due to arrive, and hopes he gets back in time
05:11 PM rdtsc: CAT cables are bonkers... there's several bits of data traveling along the cable at any one instant, moving at 0.6*C - it literally is buffering a few bits of data
05:11 PM * JT-Shop almost has the right trailing arm and stuff back in the C3
05:12 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks@> well - that is interesting.. there is no filter in the filter houseing
05:12 PM rdtsc: uh oh...
05:12 PM JT-Shop: pall mall
05:12 PM rdtsc: maybe it's in the milk oops I mean oil
05:13 PM JT-Shop: maybe it's a Picayune
05:14 PM rdtsc: Another trip to the hydraulic vendor?
05:14 PM JT-Shop: bet no one here knows what a Picayune is
05:14 PM rdtsc: I've heard of the word, but dunno what it is
05:14 PM JT-Shop: I've smoked them... once
05:15 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks@> I don't know - if the filter just fits in there - it would be fine.. but I don't know if there are any other things needed
05:15 PM JT-Shop: Picayune was a brand of cigarettes originally manufactured in the early 1900s, especially associated with New Orleans, and is now produced as a pipe tobacco blend by D&R Tobacco. The current pipe tobacco, a recreation of the old blend, is a strong mixture of Burley, Oriental, Perique, and Virginia tobaccos, intended for experienced smokers. The original cigarette brand was manufactured by Liggett & Myers and was known for its full-bodied flavor.
05:17 PM rdtsc: A co-worker had four Cuban cigars the other day, a gift from a friend when they went on vacation. Been a long time since I've had a cigar.
05:17 PM JT-Shop: well there is also Picayune Mississippi
05:23 PM Tom_L: my grandfather always chewed beeman's gum
05:23 PM Tom_L: you never see it anymore
05:24 PM Tom_L: just reminded me of things gone by
05:24 PM roycroft: i remember beeman's gum
05:25 PM Tom_L: https://jackscountrystore.com/products/beemans-nostalgic-chewing-gum-5-stick-pack
05:25 PM roycroft: my father smoked camel straights
05:25 PM JT-Shop: my grandfather(round 2) was a dairy farmer in greensboro so no tobacco
05:25 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks@> well - there is extra parts that I don't have
05:25 PM lcnc-relay: <Lucid Nonsense@> rdtsc: So I saw a video of this a couple of months ago, but history search doesn't come up with anything so it was probably called something more obtuse. Just goes to show the weak sauce that is YouTube search
05:26 PM roycroft: charlston chew candy is and old-timey thing too that disappeared for decades, but now is back
05:26 PM Tom_L: there is also a soda local to charleston i think it was
05:27 PM * roycroft is back from the pharmacy already
05:27 PM roycroft: that's one good thing about living in a small town - what services there are are all really close
05:27 PM Tom_L: maybe it was another southern town
05:27 PM Tom_L: cheerwine
05:27 PM Tom_L: that was it
05:28 PM Tom_L: Salisbury
05:29 PM Tom_L: ok i think mexican is on the menu this evening
05:29 PM JT-Shop: left over Speck pizza for us
05:30 PM Tom_L: alot of those small town pizza places are hard to bet
05:30 PM Tom_L: beat
05:30 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks@> welp - I think this is going back together with no filter
05:30 PM JT-Shop: they import flour from Italy
05:32 PM roycroft: the one here is horrible
05:32 PM JT-Shop: sam what are you working on?
05:32 PM roycroft: but that's ok, i make good pizza
05:32 PM roycroft: we went to an apizza place on wednesday night this week
05:32 PM roycroft: it was awesome as usual
05:33 PM roycroft: the problem with eugene is that there are too many excellent pizza restaurants
05:33 PM roycroft: and most of them operate in-house breweries as well
05:33 PM roycroft: making them more excellent
05:34 PM JT-Shop: the problem with poplar bluff is everything is two weeks away a real geographical oddity
05:34 PM roycroft: but here, we have the one place that makes baking soda crust tha tastes like cardboard
05:34 PM roycroft: i've only tried it once, and that was enough
05:35 PM roycroft: and the crust is not the only bad part about it
05:35 PM roycroft: the sauce tastes like tomato sauce with sugar in it- no herbs at all
05:36 PM JT-Shop: sounds like you could open a pizza place and get rich
05:36 PM roycroft: they use bagged, grated cheese that doesn't melt - it just gets hot
05:36 PM roycroft: i could possibly make a living at it, if that's what i wanted to do
05:36 PM roycroft: but it's not
05:36 PM roycroft: and i make good pizza at home every week
05:36 PM xxcoder: can always setup rserant and train chef on your ways
05:37 PM roycroft: and usually have pizza in eugene at least once/month
05:37 PM roycroft: the towing company will be here in an hour
05:37 PM roycroft: so i phoned at 11:30 this morning
05:37 PM roycroft: the vehicle will be picked up at 4:30
05:37 PM roycroft: only five hours
05:38 PM roycroft: assuming they bring a flat bed this time
05:38 PM roycroft: if not it will be even longer
05:39 PM JT-Shop: I had the van towed once and he was here when he said he would be but he's also local
05:39 PM roycroft: aaa told me the hook truck would probably have worked fine
05:39 PM roycroft: the transmission shop said to be sure to get a flat bed
05:39 PM JT-Shop: and I paid for the tow so not an insurance thing
05:40 PM roycroft: they said that disconnecting the drive shaft on a 4wd is a lot harder than on a 2wd, and that they did not want the truck rolling on its rear wheels for 50 miles with the transmission connected
05:40 PM roycroft: i'm not familiar enough with the drivetrain on my pickup to know if that's right or not
05:40 PM roycroft: so i decided to stick with their recommendation to get it towed on a flat bed
05:41 PM * JT-Shop calls it a night
05:41 PM * roycroft is feeling unmotivated to go back to the shop, and is glad he turned the heater off after lunch
05:42 PM roycroft: i have sanding and repairing and applying finish to do, and i just don't feel like doing any of that today
05:59 PM xxcoder: hmm cant remember what right spelling is for a car
05:59 PM xxcoder: pursa something
06:00 PM xxcoder: aha prius
06:01 PM roycroft: it's spelled "càr"in gaelic
06:02 PM xxcoder: lol ill trust you on that
06:03 PM roycroft: would i lie to you?
06:03 PM xxcoder: like I said, I am trusting you. ;) I dont trust lairs
06:03 PM xxcoder: liars too
06:05 PM roycroft: "tha mi a' draibheadh càr air an rathad mòr" - "i am driving a car on the freeway"
06:17 PM roycroft: "ra�thad mòr" literally translates to "big road", btw
06:18 PM roycroft: an ancient language that mostly died out by the beginning of the industrial revolution and then was resuscitated has to really reach to come up with words for modern things
06:20 PM roycroft: although modern languages in ancient places also have to do some stretching
06:21 PM roycroft: as in "dual carriage way"
06:33 PM roycroft: the tow truck is finally here
08:20 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks@> filter housing is back in. Going to fill it up with whatever hydraulic fluid I can find around here and hope for the best.
08:21 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks@> cleaned out the tank the best I could - it was grodie...
08:46 PM Tom_L: touch version of touch-probe3: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:443/~webpage/cnc/JT-SHOP/flexgui/rpi5/
08:53 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
09:09 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks@> Neat!
11:41 PM roycroft: new uri tuchman video today
11:42 PM roycroft: he's making a reverse tape measure - the spring shoots the tape out instead of retracting it
11:42 PM roycroft: i guess that's good for folks who are in a hurry to measure stuff
11:42 PM roycroft: also maybe for measuring across rivers and such
11:43 PM fluffywolf: I have an electric tape measure that goes both ways. It's roughly 100% useless.
11:44 PM roycroft: i have a laser measurer
11:44 PM roycroft: it shoots the laser beam out of the device
11:44 PM fluffywolf: it's not quite as useless as the electric crescent wrench, but it's sure close.
11:44 PM roycroft: but uri is about entertainment
11:44 PM roycroft: and he's playing some debussy in the background, so good music as well
11:45 PM fluffywolf: https://www.amazon.com/Black-Decker-Autotape-Measure-Powered/dp/B002YCL47U super useless.
11:47 PM xxcoder: fun
11:48 PM fluffywolf: on the topic of fun, broke a rear spring on my car today. bleh!
11:48 PM roycroft: yuck
11:48 PM roycroft: although probably not as expensive as my transmission repair
11:50 PM fluffywolf: gotta pull the whole rear axle apart to change it.
11:52 PM fluffywolf: https://www.x-sway.com/shop/1322-7000-subaru-brat-torsion-bar-set-10937 and of course the only supplier of new ones is backordered, and the response I got asking about them... does not inspire confidence.
11:55 PM roycroft: it's not my favorite of uri's videos, but i always enjoy them, and this one as well
11:56 PM roycroft: i had to wait a month to get my pickup into the shop
11:56 PM roycroft: they should have it done next week though
11:56 PM roycroft: i'm just hoping it does not need a full rebuild
11:57 PM fluffywolf: I need to do a transmission project too.... have a transmission, a bunch of seals, and a new differential... need to actually put those parts in the transmission, not in boxes sitting on top of it. and then put it in my car.
11:58 PM roycroft: i have never done transmission work
11:58 PM roycroft: even when i was doing my own repairs, i would always go to a transmission shop for that kind of work
11:58 PM roycroft: and this is an automatic, so even more reason to not work on it myself
11:59 PM roycroft: and it's an f350, so it's like 2x as bit and weighs 4x as much as a car transmission