#linuxcnc Logs
Nov 01 2025
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:03 AM roycroft: it should work fine
12:20 AM roycroft: but i can't sell it like that
12:20 AM xxcoder: I suppose, need to look good
12:20 AM roycroft: packaging is down the road though
12:20 AM roycroft: i first need to develop the product
12:20 AM xxcoder: I did wonder if it would be best to make stackable tins. so its much more compact if want to ship it in for reuse
12:20 AM roycroft: they can be stacked
12:20 AM roycroft: i'm using 60ml tins for the hard wax
12:20 AM roycroft: the paste wax will be in 120ml tins, or perhaps even larger
12:20 AM roycroft: but they all have screw tops and can be stacked
02:16 AM Deejay: moin
02:56 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> moin
04:35 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
04:56 AM Tom_L: morning
07:12 AM lcnc-relay: <allaboutjake@> Morning. Just got my X & Y homing switches mounted this morning. Time to wire and get working.
07:12 AM lcnc-relay: <allaboutjake@> https://jauriarts.org/_heisenbridge/media/jauriarts.org/XuVEcxQAfBApUvIEPbNXldmq/Iiew74v_9OU/IMG_4691.jpg
07:12 AM lcnc-relay: <allaboutjake@> https://jauriarts.org/_heisenbridge/media/jauriarts.org/woTIMKaMPxEgYdKtbNfuJVvj/P66xCaNoqpw/IMG_4690.jpg
08:35 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> nice! can the axis move far enough to crunch the switch?
08:37 AM lcnc-relay: <allaboutjake@> Yeah. Adjustable. Z axis (knee) will be harder because there are no existing holes in good places and I’m hesitant to drill into the castings
08:38 AM lcnc-relay: <allaboutjake@> But if you mean “crunch”
08:38 AM lcnc-relay: As it damage it will run out of travel before the switch hits its end past the activation point
08:38 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> ok good
08:38 AM lcnc-relay: <allaboutjake@> *as in
08:38 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> and drill into the casting
08:38 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> cast is easy to drill and tap.
08:39 AM lcnc-relay: <allaboutjake@> Yeah did the gas spring holes (one pictured in the first photo) were easy. I just over think irreversible changes.
08:41 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> https://photos.app.goo.gl/UnAaSBx8QRQXtnCi9
08:41 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> that is an option too
09:11 AM _unreal_: that sucked
09:12 AM _unreal_: just had a 2 second power outtage again. and I didnt know this computer wasnt plugged into the UPS
09:12 AM _unreal_: I guess there have been out
09:12 AM _unreal_: any outtages for about 2 weeks or how ever long my login time was
09:12 AM _unreal_: hum
09:42 AM rdtsc is now known as rdtsc-wtf
09:43 AM rdtsc-wtf: allaboutjake, if a cast hole is no longer needed/desired, make a slotted plug for it, done
09:46 AM rdtsc-wtf: may be helpful to 3D print an alignment jig for the holes, to make them nice and perpendicular
09:47 AM rdtsc-wtf: or use a mag drill (everybody needs one of those)
09:55 AM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> man, it feels positively tropical outside
09:55 AM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> probably going to monsoon in a minute
10:03 AM * JT-MShop takes 5 before cutting up the last giant piece of slab wood
10:04 AM * Tom_L continues clearing out his 'in' box
10:07 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> put more steel in the 42..
10:07 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I think it is almost on the helper springs
10:08 AM Tom_L: i bet that thing hasn't worked that hard in years
10:09 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> yes.. but it plays the part so far
11:14 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
11:15 AM * JT-Shop just picked up a NOS Edelbrock 2701 for the C3
11:17 AM JT-Shop: and it's raining now
11:20 AM Tom_L: what you gonna set on top of it?
11:24 AM JT-Shop: that holley I got a while back
11:25 AM JT-Shop: holley 4160
11:31 AM Tom_L: ahh yeah
11:32 AM JT-Shop: and I just got the last u joint off the half shaft
11:33 AM JT-Shop: so it must be time for a nap
11:34 AM Tom_L: gettin awfully close
12:35 PM {HD}_ is now known as {HD}
01:53 PM fdarling: Can a LinuxCNC userspace component access the LinuxCNC command line options? (In the same way that the "user interface" has access to the command line options)
02:31 PM rdtsc-wtf is now known as rdtsc
04:24 PM _unreal_: ve7it, So I ordered 2 computers to drive the new machines
04:24 PM _unreal_: wont be here till the end of NOV but regardless
04:25 PM _unreal_: they are i7 all in one display systems with 16gb ram and tough and 15.6" displays
04:25 PM _unreal_: they will be setup as the LCNC machines for the lathe and endmill
04:25 PM _unreal_: now I just need to start getting the house in order. it seems that its finally STOP!!!ED raining every day
04:26 PM _unreal_: its rained almost every day since the start of AUG.
04:26 PM _unreal_: very very unlike south florida
04:47 PM mrec_: is anyone here with a dual Y gantry? I wonder how other people do the homing with dual Y and ensure that everything is squared
04:48 PM JT-Shop: you need a home switch for each side
04:48 PM JT-Shop: and use the gantry homing option in the ini
04:55 PM _unreal_: how is your dual y setup?
04:56 PM _unreal_: as in 2 gantry arches. or each side of one gantry is driven independent?
04:57 PM _unreal_: personally I always suggest running a link. be it shaft or timing belt between +/- X sides of a Y gantry.
05:00 PM mrec_: mine is simple I run against a light breaker sensor on one side and search for the motor index signals (and square it)
05:00 PM mrec_: I search the motor index signal on both sides and apply a fixed delta
05:01 PM mrec_: I link the two sides during regular motion and homing, only for applying the delta I drive them independently
05:03 PM mrec_: I just wonder about the repeatability of two homing switches on each sides
05:05 PM roycroft: depends on the switches and how they are mounted
05:12 PM mrec_: roycroft: do you run a dual motor gantry?
05:12 PM mrec_: how about during operation, are both motors monitored?
05:15 PM roycroft: no, i don't
05:16 PM roycroft: but i don't see how it makes any difference
05:16 PM roycroft: if you have a single limit switch that is repeatable then your axis position is repeatable
05:16 PM roycroft: if you have a single limit switch that is not repeatable then your axis is not repeatable
05:17 PM roycroft: how would it be any different with two?
05:17 PM rdtsc: homing switches final speed slowness matters apparently, but they are very repeatable
05:17 PM roycroft: if you have two limit switches that are repeatable then the axis is repeatable
05:22 PM roycroft: the only difference i see is that the mtbf for the limit circuit as a whole would be less than the mtbf of the two individual switches, since if either of them fails the whole circuit fails, whereas with a single limit switch the mtbf of the switch is essentially the same as the mtbf of the limit circuit
05:22 PM mrec_: I ran my pnp machine with one homing sensor only but once I moved the gantry manually it was not squared anymore. I'm not sure how accurate that light breaker switch is all the time (eg. different ambient temperature / different humidity) it seems like I got slightly different results from time to time (if I re-homed the system within a few minutes it was usually accurate)
05:22 PM roycroft: i don't know how to calculate the reduction in mtbf for the circuit, and really have no idea whether it's closer to 1/2 that of each switch or nearly the same as that of each switch, or where in between
05:34 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> my sister came and took about 50 sheets of insulation foam from the green polebuilding.. That opened up 4x8Ft of floor.. and some pigeon holes that haven't seen the light of day for 10's of years
05:35 PM rdtsc: if the (physical) switch has a minimum-make voltage/current (such as 1V/1mA) and maximum such as 24V/0.1A, it will last much longer if ran from something in the low range like 5V. Many switches do not list these speccs
05:36 PM rdtsc: bigger, beefier physical switches can do 120VAC and amps of current, so would be unaffected at 24V (however are likely thicker/stiffer/not as accurate)
05:41 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> the plasma has 2 motors for the x.. I just used the gantry homing and it worked great.
05:41 PM _unreal_: ppc-156a-c so this is the set of computers I ordered
05:42 PM _unreal_: CPU i7-1165g7,16GB ram,128GB SSD
05:42 PM _unreal_: 2x units
05:42 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> before the joints/axis - I used the gantry homing module. it worked good too
05:42 PM JT-Shop: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OtWNuLWfwc
05:42 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> lol - I remember that video
05:42 PM _unreal_: Total Threads 8, Max Turbo Frequency 4.70 GHz, Cache 12 MB Intel® Smart Cache, Bus Speed 4 GT/s, Configurable TDP-up Base Frequency 2.80 GHz
05:43 PM _unreal_: I. THINK it will do :)
05:44 PM _unreal_: I'm going to assume LCNC is going to want speed step set to a fix freq.
05:44 PM _unreal_: ?
05:45 PM _unreal_: ve7it, I'm starting to mount the brushed servo boards into a new case. though I'm slow going. I've had a hand full of people over the past 2 weeks coughing in my face. someone finally got me. suffering from nose and thorough issues.
05:49 PM ve7it: cool.. glad you are making some progress
06:02 PM _unreal_: ve7it, right now the plan is to just get them mounted start solving all the wires again. and move fwd.
06:03 PM _unreal_: ve7it, main issue is I dont know if anything is burned or not. so as I mentioned a while ago my goal will be if your willing/have time to give me a a hand solving them. and as mentioned before I have some stuff to send to ya if your interested and when I get a chance
06:03 PM _unreal_: ve7it, I'm looking at upgrading my laser to the BLDC's like what I sent you already
06:04 PM _unreal_: I have one's with built in encoders
06:04 PM _unreal_: though I wont upgrade that till I am also ready upgrade the laser
06:04 PM _unreal_: which means a total rebuild
06:05 PM _unreal_: I already have the new laser 40 watt LED
06:05 PM _unreal_: should have purchased 2 just nto have a backup
06:05 PM ve7it: no problem... for testing the servo boards, it will help if you have some cutrrent limited power supplies or a few car light bulbs to limit current draw until we make sure the power opamps are work.
06:05 PM _unreal_: but the main issue is the laser has a little too much play/flex in it. I need get rid of the slop in all axis
06:06 PM _unreal_: I'm just so far behind where I should be do to all the rain we have had
06:06 PM _unreal_: its JUST crazy how much rain we have had over the past 3 months
06:07 PM _unreal_: I still have but a pathway in my garage and lots of tools outside under cover
06:07 PM ve7it: its been a slow year for me... had some medical issues early in the year and my wife had some in Sept... I havent really built much.
06:07 PM _unreal_: :S sorry to hear that.
06:08 PM _unreal_: nothing a little vodka cant fix :)
06:08 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
06:09 PM ve7it: good Canadian whiskey has helped!.... well not sure it was good, but it is whiskey
06:09 PM xxcoder: whew finally done with the move
06:09 PM _unreal_: wow ve7it CANT beleive its been 5 years since I sent you those bldc's
06:10 PM _unreal_: according to yt video :)
06:10 PM _unreal_: for anyone wondering https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Komcmg7bpak
06:15 PM _unreal_: ??? ve7it would using light bulbs be a ... bright idea?
06:17 PM roycroft: good whisky does not contain the letter 'e'
06:17 PM ve7it: haha
06:17 PM xxcoder: hi fellow oregonian lol
06:17 PM roycroft: you are an oregonian now?
06:18 PM xxcoder: yeah. just arrived couple hours ago. stuffs a mess stuff but just finished setup my pc
06:18 PM roycroft: nice
06:18 PM roycroft: and welcome
06:18 PM roycroft: i wish you had left the rain up in washington
06:18 PM roycroft: although there's not been much here today
06:19 PM xxcoder: seems no rain in portland
06:19 PM roycroft: it was raining dogs and cats in eugene today, though
06:19 PM roycroft: which is more than raining cats and dogs, btw :)
06:21 PM roycroft: my power switch arrived a short while ago, so i'm going out to the shop to work on installing it
06:24 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> doing my math to lay out a thread cutting tool for a worm gear
06:24 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> got one broken worm in the speed control, and I want to have that all working correctly
06:24 PM _unreal_: so 7i96 and 7i96s which would you guys suggest be part of which machine?
06:25 PM _unreal_: a lathe and an end mill
06:25 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> too lazy to make a holder for a round hss bit, which would let me rotate the simpler cutter to the helix angle, but a little geometry, and I can use a square bit that gets me close enough
06:25 PM _unreal_: not that it matters greatly.
06:26 PM _unreal_: I have to test it but when I get to it. I need to install a 512gb SSD into this computer.
06:26 PM _unreal_: I also need to move /Downloads to it
06:27 PM _unreal_: this PC only has a 128gb soldered SSD or what ever onboard
06:28 PM _unreal_: ?
06:30 PM _unreal_: ahh is https://www.mesanet.com/ loading for anyone else?
06:32 PM _unreal_: hello?
06:33 PM ve7it: seems to be a blank white page
06:34 PM ve7it: https://store.mesanet.com/ seems to wok
06:34 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> same on both counts, here
06:37 PM fluffywolf: https://www.mesanet.com/ is returning an empty page here.
06:38 PM _unreal_: https://store.mesanet.com/ is loading for me
06:38 PM _unreal_: so i'm not the only one getting a white page
06:39 PM xxcoder: source is completely empty, so something went very wrong
06:40 PM _unreal_: xxcoder, your thoughts, which card should I go with between the endmill and the lathe?
06:40 PM xxcoder: no idea
06:40 PM _unreal_: 7i96 and 7i96s
06:40 PM _unreal_: I have the original on hand
06:41 PM _unreal_: I would think the S for the end mill
06:42 PM _unreal_: I'm tempted to replace the current motor on it with a beefy BLDC
06:42 PM _unreal_: the lathe
06:43 PM _unreal_: different modes require switching gears.
06:43 PM Tom_L: you can also use mesaus.com
06:43 PM Tom_L: JT's site
06:44 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> nice! Bookmarked for when I order
06:45 PM _unreal_: Tom_L, ? is there an error on that page? the first page says 7i96s 6 axis, you go into the link and it says 5 axis. I thought they are 5 axis
06:46 PM _unreal_: ?
06:46 PM Tom_L: 5
06:46 PM _unreal_: ok then error on page description
06:46 PM Tom_L: i have one but haven't looked that close
06:47 PM Tom_L: download the manual and look
06:47 PM Tom_L: http://www.mesanet.com/pdf/parallel/7i96sman.pdf
06:47 PM _unreal_: man-well says 5 axis
06:48 PM Tom_L: s is spindle
06:48 PM Tom_L: analog
06:48 PM _unreal_: ?
06:48 PM Tom_L: it's one of his newer boards and i haven't checked out all it's features yet
06:49 PM Tom_L: s = analog out for spindle control
06:50 PM _unreal_: ai says 5 axis
06:50 PM Tom_L: i have found AI to be wrong but not in this case
06:50 PM _unreal_: :)
06:50 PM _unreal_: ditto
06:50 PM _unreal_: heheh the other day at work I got the managers real good.
06:51 PM _unreal_: they where using chatGPT trying to find answers. and I was giving them the answers faster then chatGPT.
06:51 PM _unreal_: I told them, who needs chat GPT when you got chatBRC
06:51 PM _unreal_: meaning me
06:51 PM _unreal_: lol
06:52 PM Tom_L: The 7I96S is a Ethernet connected motion control interface designed for interfacing
06:52 PM Tom_L: up to 5 Axis of step and direction step motor or servo motor drives. Step rates up to 10
06:52 PM Tom_L: MHz are supported. The 7I96S also has 11 isolated inputs plus 6 isolated outputs for
06:52 PM Tom_L: general purpose I/O use
06:52 PM _unreal_: one laughed, was gave an "f" u look half glare because I was right as always
06:53 PM _unreal_: Tom_L, I'm thinking when I get the second board which will be an S version. that will go on the END mill
06:54 PM Tom_L: has a 26pin header for expansion as well as sserial if you need more io
06:54 PM _unreal_: ya.
06:54 PM _unreal_: those machines are not big but I will prob do a number of add on's.
06:55 PM _unreal_: My goal in a way may be to set them up so they can also be kind of software test benches for new features. Tom_L I dont know if you saw but I purchased two very powerful all in one touch industral pc's
06:55 PM _unreal_: I'll get them in a month. both i7 4.7ghz capable
06:56 PM Tom_L: hope the latency is good on them
06:56 PM Tom_L: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07QXKKHRF
06:56 PM _unreal_: I do too. they have dual eth. and mini pci so its not like I dont have options
06:56 PM Tom_L: i'm about ready to get one of those
06:56 PM Tom_L: so i can finish my touch gui for flex
06:56 PM _unreal_: https://www.suntex.co.jp/arestech/ppc-156.pdf
06:57 PM _unreal_: I got the ppc-156a-c
06:57 PM _unreal_: i7 version
06:57 PM _unreal_: 2x of them
06:57 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:443/~webpage/cnc/JT-SHOP/flexgui/rpi5/
06:57 PM Tom_L: screen shots so far
06:58 PM _unreal_: Oh, looking at the pics "probe"
06:58 PM Tom_L: i have a regular version of those also
06:59 PM _unreal_: I'm going to at some point in time get back to designing my open source probe design. My late father realllly f'ed that projects progress up
06:59 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:443/~webpage/cnc/JT-SHOP/flexgui/touch-probe3-2.png
07:00 PM _unreal_: I built a really good design that is easy to build DIY and should be accurate but I never got to build it. and I dont know where all the files are
07:00 PM _unreal_: I'm going to have to from scratch it. really pisses me off
07:00 PM _unreal_: and nice GUI layout
07:04 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> I miss the David Lynch weather report
07:04 PM _unreal_: ?
07:04 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> He used to do YouTube weather reports
07:06 PM _unreal_: oh
07:10 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> He leaned out from his porch and let the world know what the weather was
07:10 PM roycroft: well that was fun
07:11 PM roycroft: i was sitting here, opening my mail, and as i was reading the letter from the power company saying they are raising their rates by 7%, the power went out
07:14 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Oh thanks, I get a gaudy bit of garbage as thanks for spending too much money
07:14 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> https://jauriarts.org/_heisenbridge/media/jauriarts.org/KoGJkKzsFGfKyzxMBThYkljN/g_Z1TiMHVz8/Screenshot_20251102_001323_DuckDuckGo.jpg
07:15 PM xxcoder: Human Resources Caliper
07:16 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Maybe it will tell me how valued I am before letting me go
07:16 PM xxcoder: maybe lol
07:16 PM xxcoder: lol "plentyax" new name for blondihack
07:17 PM Tom_L: lucid.nonsense, 293-340-30 would be a better choice
07:19 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Why is that?
07:19 PM _unreal_: OH!! calipers!!! that reminds me I need to get a metric set.
07:19 PM Tom_L: all the shops around here use them
07:19 PM Tom_L: insulated & coolant proof
07:20 PM Tom_L: unless you want the one for $2.5k
07:21 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> my work lost power long enough the servers shut down...
07:21 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> These are waterproof with two digital coms
07:21 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Two way
07:21 PM Tom_L: https://www.mitutoyo.com/webfoo/wp-content/uploads/MDH-25MB_2271.pdf
07:22 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> almost exactly an hour ago
07:22 PM _unreal_: I should say metric micromete4r
07:23 PM Tom_L: most do both
07:24 PM _unreal_: if they are digital
07:25 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Are these power outages normal or a recent development
07:28 PM _unreal_: for him or me?
07:28 PM _unreal_: I've been having like pulse outtages all summer out for 1.2 seconds. enough to shut stuff down
07:29 PM _unreal_: I'm going to have to put UPS's on everything that is critical
07:29 PM xxcoder: I love my ups
07:30 PM xxcoder: expecially after I upgraded it to lifepo4
07:30 PM _unreal_: soon as I get paid I'm buying batteries for all my ups's
07:30 PM roycroft: it's fairly normal for me
07:30 PM roycroft: our utilties are overhead for one
07:31 PM roycroft: and all the feeds to our town come from transmission lines that are tens of miles long that all go through national forests
07:32 PM roycroft: lots of power lines go down in storms and fires and, well, normal life
07:32 PM roycroft: it's on my list to get a whole house stationary generator
07:32 PM roycroft: but that may be another year or two
07:37 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> We get power cuts during bad storms, but not willynilly
07:38 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Folks back in Norway are in disbelief that I get power cuts at all
07:40 PM roycroft: the real problem is that the local cable company, who are the only high speed internet provider, do not have back up power at their head end here in town
07:40 PM roycroft: so when the power goes out the internet goes out as well
07:41 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> I do have plans to do a shipping container backup battery, have my old tyre warmer generator that can run the central heating and router
07:41 PM roycroft: and to make matters worse, the cable company are the only cellular carrier whose service works reliably here
07:41 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> That's dure
07:41 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Dire
07:41 PM roycroft: and they transit their cellular data through their internet service, which goes out in a power outage
07:41 PM roycroft: so while i can make calls on my cell in a power outage, i don't have cellular data, and can't check emails and the like
07:42 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> We don't actually have wired internet, just 5g router with dual sim
07:42 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> One network goes down, other takes over
07:42 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Only 250mbit
07:42 PM roycroft: it's the price one pays to live in the country
07:43 PM roycroft: i'm not complaining, really, but i wish the situation were a little better
07:43 PM roycroft: satellite internet is way too expensive
07:43 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> I live in the arse end of nowhere UK wise
07:44 PM roycroft: norwick?
07:44 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Wales
07:44 PM roycroft: oh
07:44 PM _unreal_: I'm in boca raton of the USA how would you describe that lucid?
07:44 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Banjo country?
07:45 PM _unreal_: ahhhhh......
07:45 PM _unreal_: lol I said where I am not where I'm from LOL
07:45 PM _unreal_: originally from maine
07:46 PM roycroft: near llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch?
07:46 PM _unreal_: ahh
07:46 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> That's a couple of hours away
07:47 PM roycroft: so the road sign at the city entrance starts near you
07:47 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> You may be the first to describe it as a city
07:48 PM roycroft: that could be due to our local naming
07:48 PM roycroft: we don't distinguish between cities, towns, villages, etc. here in my state
07:48 PM roycroft: if it's incorporated it's a city
07:49 PM roycroft: if it's not it's just a place
07:49 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Right
07:49 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> I'd call Cardiff a city
07:49 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Maybe Swansea
07:49 PM roycroft: but that's not the case in many of the other states in the us
07:49 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> That's about it as cities in Wales go
07:50 PM roycroft: it appears that in england, population does not matter when distinguishing a town from a city
07:50 PM roycroft: it's all about royal charters
07:50 PM roycroft: you can have a "town" of 500,000, and a "city" of 32,000
07:50 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Yeah officially maybe, but for most people it does
07:50 PM roycroft: anyway, the city i live in has a population of just over 3000
07:50 PM roycroft: and it's considered a city
07:51 PM _unreal_: roycroft, there are times I've perceived you as a roy...al pain in the a....choo
07:51 PM _unreal_: lol
07:51 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Metropolis
07:51 PM roycroft: because, as i said, we do not have towns or villages here
07:51 PM _unreal_: there are plenty of towns in the usa
07:51 PM roycroft: when i lived in illinois there was a distinction between a village and a city or town
07:51 PM _unreal_: hell look at new england where I'm from
07:51 PM roycroft: villages had a village president and village trustees
07:51 PM _unreal_: lots of towns
07:52 PM roycroft: towns and cities have a mayor and a city/town counsel
07:52 PM roycroft: and the powers of a village president are different to a mayor
07:52 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Nothing so consistent here
07:52 PM roycroft: we're a weird country
07:52 PM _unreal_: well look at that https://www.ellsworthmaine.gov/government/city-council/
07:52 PM roycroft: but then, so is our mother country :)
07:53 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Norway is extremely formal with these things
07:53 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Numbers and consistency
07:54 PM * roycroft thinks it prudent to make dinner now, in case the power goes out again (often power outages occur in pairs here - i presume the first do the primary cause, with a re-routing to restore it temporarily, and the second after the fix has been made, for another re-route)
07:54 PM _unreal_: lucid I use to work with a guy from norway. now he works for an other company but we still work on projects
07:54 PM roycroft: but norway has other weirdness
07:54 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Oil then?
07:55 PM roycroft: like a written language that is consistent throughout the country, but two totally different pronunciations, based primarily by region
07:55 PM _unreal_: din din. I'm still trying to thaw my dough and cheese. told my daughter we are going to make pizza tonight
07:55 PM _unreal_: BTW loving the dough hook I got for my kitchen aid mixer
07:55 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> roycroft: Not two, try 30
07:55 PM roycroft: yeah, that's nice
07:55 PM _unreal_: already made a lot of dough with it.
07:56 PM roycroft: well, two "primary" completely different pronunciations
07:56 PM roycroft: i've heard both, and neither sound germanic to me
07:56 PM roycroft: it would be an interesting language to learn, i think
07:56 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> There are local dialects that sound like gobbledygook to me
07:57 PM roycroft: swedish and icelandic and even danish sound germanic, although they are far from german
07:57 PM roycroft: but norwegian sounds like norwegian
07:57 PM roycroft: the dialects i've heard, at leat
07:57 PM roycroft: least
07:58 PM _unreal_: lucid hehe, there was a guy who use to work for the company I work for. he was from Brazil. when a guy from mexico was talking and really fast. he looked at me and said i have NO idea what he just said.
07:58 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> I'm from the southwest and it sounds very much like Dutch
07:58 PM roycroft: ok
07:58 PM roycroft: i speak a fair amount of dutch
07:58 PM _unreal_: he picked up spanish rather fast considering he spoke portages
07:58 PM roycroft: i've not heard norwegian that sounds dutch-like
07:58 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> To the point where I can understand a fair bit of Dutch
07:59 PM * roycroft was in germany once, in the alsace region, where the locals spoke flemish and french, but mostly not german
08:00 PM roycroft: i spoke dutch and german, and could not communicate with them in german
08:00 PM roycroft: but i could speak dutch and they could speak flemish and we figured things out
08:01 PM roycroft: anyway, time to make dinner
08:02 PM roycroft: and sadly, tomorrow at this "time", it will be dark
08:02 PM _unreal_: being so far south it will be dark before hand
08:03 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> https://youtu.be/mehDCqRGZK8?si=Qd1mUD0yxJBhUcX8 3:37
08:12 PM _unreal_: heh
09:21 PM xxcoder: whoo long clickspring~
09:23 PM roycroft: yeah, i saw that
09:23 PM roycroft: and i'm not sure i have that 40 minutes to spare today
09:23 PM roycroft: especially since i'm in the middle of watching a 40 minute matt cremona video
09:24 PM fluffywolf: I'm watching clough42 sing the praises of his new chinese tapping arm.
09:26 PM Tom_L: you'd have to tap alot of holes to justify that
09:26 PM fluffywolf: he has some job coming up with a fuckton of holes.
09:27 PM Tom_L: that's what CNCs are for
09:28 PM fluffywolf: that was my first thought too... he explained that his cnc can't do rigid tapping, and he thought he'd go through too many thread milling tools, and he wanted an excuse for a tapping arm... lol
09:28 PM fluffywolf: I'd probably have gone for thread milling.
09:28 PM xxcoder: any excuse in port of content search
09:29 PM Tom_L: a dedicated threadmill would have been the best choice over single point
09:30 PM Tom_L: mills them all at once
09:31 PM fluffywolf: from how much he's praising his tapping arm, I'd assume this was a sponsored video except he said he bought it from amazon...
09:36 PM xxcoder: video is so fun so far
09:37 PM roycroft: abom got his tapping arm when he had a job with a buttload of holes to tap
09:37 PM roycroft: i'm sure abom got his free, though
09:38 PM fluffywolf: I have clickspring mentally filed under too-youtube-content-creator-influencer-y to watch. has this changed?
09:38 PM roycroft: he doesn't talk about sponsorship, but he is so sponsored
09:38 PM fluffywolf: abom seems to be getting a lot of free equipment.
09:38 PM fluffywolf: part of why I stopped watching his videos.
09:38 PM xxcoder: same
09:38 PM fluffywolf: "so a $500k cnc got delivered that I don't know what it is or how to use..."
09:38 PM roycroft: he's a very good manual machinist
09:38 PM roycroft: he's just learning cnc
09:39 PM fluffywolf: the other reason is all of his videos are ten times longer than they need to be. lol
09:39 PM roycroft: his videos are almost all about his cnc learning now
09:39 PM Tom_L: yeah if they don't get to the point.. i'm out
09:39 PM xxcoder: that mirginally better than "oh look new thing"
09:39 PM roycroft: he also rearranges his new shop too much
09:40 PM Tom_L: spare the jokes etc.. say what you got to say
09:40 PM xxcoder: thats content for sake of content
09:40 PM xxcoder: im fine with jokes if short and once in video
09:41 PM fluffywolf: I watched a inheritance machining video this morning, and it had like five minutes of useless intro and a lot of blathering... does not make me want to watch more of them.
09:46 PM xxcoder: most recent inheirance is just ok
09:49 PM fluffywolf: this one was making dominos on a mill, on a lathe, and on a shaper and a pantograph.
09:49 PM xxcoder: yes, the one im talking about also
10:06 PM xxcoder: well it was hella fun
10:36 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> If clough42 used a control that could rigid tap....
10:36 PM Tom_L: :)
10:36 PM fluffywolf: rigid tapping requires a spindle encoder and a low speed high torque drive that he may not have
10:37 PM Tom_L: but he has a tapping machine that probably cost more than fixing the cnc
10:38 PM Tom_L: wait.. why am i still up?
10:38 PM Tom_L: later..
10:38 PM xxcoder: lol night
10:39 PM fluffywolf: $700 shipped
10:39 PM fluffywolf: as I said, I would have thread milled it, but it's not an absurdly expensive investment and he seems inordinately pleased with it.
10:43 PM roycroft: but what generates more revenue - a video on fixing a cnc or a video on getting and playing with a shiny new tapping arm?
10:44 PM roycroft: it's all about the algorithm these days
10:44 PM fluffywolf: he might also just have a tool buying addiction. :P
10:51 PM lfluffywof is now known as fluffywolf
11:35 PM roycroft: or at least a tool acquisition addiction