#linuxcnc Logs
Oct 29 2025
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:14 AM firephoto__ is now known as firephoto_
01:13 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> moin
01:38 AM Deejay: moin
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04:20 AM Tom_L: morning
04:33 AM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:443/~webpage/cnc/JT-SHOP/flexgui/rpi5/
04:33 AM Tom_L: updates
06:16 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> i working on a new home setup gui (animated): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYfGp1Asjhc
06:44 AM lcnc-relay: <fdarling@> inoita11@ it looks to me like the real error is about the spindle.0.inhibit and nothing to do with the I/O permissions stuff, which I believe is related to legacy parallel port and isn't even relevant when using an Ethernet based Mesa card
06:55 AM lcnc-relay: <rs> sorry for the rant, but why would you take a portrait-oriented picture of a computer monitor in landscape orientation
06:58 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> i dont know, i started with the animation and add the text fields later.
07:00 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> This is the first draft, try to remember it, maybe I'll adjust it again.
08:06 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/multigcs/riocore/refs/heads/dev/riocore/gui/home_helper.py
08:06 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> meisterdippel@ very neat! A good visualization really helps - the manual takes a bit to wrap your head around..
08:06 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> in case anyone wants to play 🙂
08:07 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> I'm not entirely sure if that's really the case at the moment, I'll check it on a machine later.
08:12 AM * rdtsc-w would love to play all day, but work always gets in the way.
08:22 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> https://forum.linuxcnc.org/configuration-tools/57610-working-on-a-animated-home-setup-helper-tool
10:37 AM lcnc-relay: <xxcoder@> hey inoita11@ how is it working out so far, your fix?
11:12 AM lcnc-relay: <inoita11@> fdarling@: It was just that input error that was stopping it opening. Turned off all the inputs and I was able to get in. plaidrabbit@ walked me through what I need for the amp inhibit inputs so I should be good there.
11:13 AM xxcoder: nice!
11:51 AM Rab_ is now known as Rab
12:07 PM roycroft: i needed to order some stuff from amazon and i added one of those flat hdmi cables to the order - it should be here today
12:08 PM roycroft: it will be interesting to see if it works in the mini-router controller
12:08 PM roycroft: folks here indicated that it probably will, and i hope they are right
12:09 PM roycroft: and hopefully it's flexible enough to not put any strain on the micro-hdmi connector on the rpi
12:09 PM lcnc-relay: <Mister Wallace> Posting again since I posted at entirely the wrong time yesterday, can anyone recommend a bit setter to add to my CNC router?
12:11 PM lcnc-relay: <Mister Wallace> Even if DIY, just need a starting point. So many options I’m not sure where to begin.
12:11 PM lcnc-relay: <Mister Wallace> I imagine the Linux CNC side of it isn’t toooo bad, just have to be able to wire it into the controller
12:12 PM Tom_L: just used the probe input but i don't use a tool setter
12:12 PM * roycroft isn't sure what that is
12:12 PM Tom_L: tool height
12:12 PM roycroft: you open the horse's mouth, you insert the bit, and you're done
12:12 PM Tom_L: H word
12:12 PM lcnc-relay: <Mister Wallace> Tool height sensor
12:12 PM lcnc-relay: <rs> roycroft: https://www.amazon.de/dp/B072PVG4B4 and https://www.amazon.de/dp/B0892F8ZD9
12:13 PM Tom_L: i still set mine the old fashioned way
12:13 PM Tom_L: with a known thickness block or dowel rolled under it
12:14 PM lcnc-relay: <Mister Wallace> I have some projects coming up with some funky tool changes, hoping to exchange money for time. Or time for time.
12:14 PM Tom_L: but it sounds like you don't have a tool changer and for those cases it's handier
12:14 PM roycroft: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08CV6Z5QD
12:14 PM roycroft: that is what i'm getting
12:14 PM lcnc-relay: <Mister Wallace> Correct, I do not have a tool changer
12:14 PM lcnc-relay: <Mister Wallace> Weird bit setter but ok /s
12:15 PM lcnc-relay: <rs> https://vers.ge/en/ does work, can't say more
12:15 PM lcnc-relay: <Mister Wallace> That looks solid, thanks!
12:16 PM lcnc-relay: <rs> Sergey used to operate out of belarus, but it seems he emigrated to georgia
12:16 PM roycroft: for setting too height, i got a simple touch-off plate that is, iirc, 2.0mm thick
12:17 PM roycroft: it's not fancy - it's actually very simple
12:17 PM roycroft: flat plate with wires
12:17 PM roycroft: hook one up to the tooling/spindle
12:17 PM roycroft: when it makes contact it closes the circuit
12:19 PM lcnc-relay: <rs> with a tool setter you can measure tool stick out and diameter. makes sense if you have some sort of tool changer and repeatable tool mount like some sort of ISO SK or HSK.
12:19 PM rdtsc-w: Mark from RotarySMP always uses a ground bar of known dimension - place on part, move Z so it just slides under tool, add tool radius to Z zero, done
12:19 PM rdtsc-w: *diameter
12:22 PM roycroft: a "tool setter" implies, as rs suggested, a repeatable tooling mount
12:23 PM roycroft: otherwise you have to touch off every time, and it doesn't make sense to calibrate for a one-off mount
12:23 PM jpa-: with automatic tool setter you can set the tool length after every (non-repeatable) mount, and use that to adjust Z when you switch tools
12:24 PM lcnc-relay: <rs> why not, you could also use it for one-offs... no fumbling with a touch plate
12:24 PM jpa-: but i just use a piece of gold plated PCB for both touch-offs and for tool setting
12:24 PM lcnc-relay: <rs> M6 Tnn --> machine moves to tool change pos, you change tool, click "continue", machine goes to tool setter, measures tool length, applies G43 and continues
12:25 PM roycroft: seems like an added expense without much benefit to me, but i'll defer to them with more experience on that
12:26 PM roycroft: i'm able to be persuaded, when presented with a good, factual argument
12:26 PM jpa-: i partially agree on that, as most of the time i just touch-off again after tool change
12:26 PM jpa-: but the expense is not that big either
12:27 PM roycroft: when i ever get around to building my bigger cnc router i plan on using the tormach tool setting system or something similar, so i can have repeatable tool changes
12:27 PM lcnc-relay: <rs> you can write programs that do tool changes. AFAIK you can't jog around / touch off in the middle of a running program.
12:27 PM roycroft: but until then, myu little pcb plate with the wires will do
12:27 PM Tom_L: rs, i don't think so either
12:27 PM Tom_L: it's in auto mode not manual or mdi
12:28 PM rdtsc-w: https://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/m-code.html#mcode:m6 spidey senses are tingling
12:28 PM jpa-: rs: yeah, i tend to put gcodes in separate files per tool
12:28 PM roycroft: so that would require splitting all jobs with tool changes into multiple jobs?
12:28 PM Tom_L: unless you can preset the tools
12:29 PM Tom_L: that is one way to deal with it
12:29 PM lcnc-relay: <rs> you can of course remap M6 to do some kind of automated touch plate touch off
12:29 PM jpa-: even if you had only a touch-off plate, you could have the tool change prompt you to put the touch-off plate on the table at specific position
12:31 PM lcnc-relay: <rs> i guess a tool setter is much quicker. you can overshoot a bit, like 1-2mm, wouldn't recommend overshooting into a touch plate ;)
12:32 PM roycroft: that would be a singularly horrible thing to do
12:32 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> When I was milling circuit boards - I jsut had a microswitch mounted.. After every manual tool change - it would measure the tool length based on the starting tool
12:32 PM lcnc-relay: <rs> so usually you (somewhat) rapid until contact, then go back until free, then touch off again slowly
12:33 PM jpa-: yeah, touch plate requires slower approach, but on the other hand manual tool changes are not quick to begin with :)
12:33 PM roycroft: i don't know if there's any repeatable tool holder system for my tiny spindle on the mini-router
12:34 PM roycroft: i assumed there was not, and so i got the pcb touch plate
12:34 PM roycroft: but on a bigger machine i know i can use the tormach system
12:35 PM lcnc-relay: <rs> tool holder should be integral part of spindle IMHO
12:36 PM lcnc-relay: <rs> the spindle-part of the tool holding system should be part of the spindle to be completely clear ;)
12:36 PM jpa-: i usually touch-off at 100mm/min which stops in about 0.01 mm
12:36 PM roycroft: i see there are some pretty cheap tool setters, though
12:36 PM roycroft: if they work then that could be a good solution - better than touching off on a pcb
12:37 PM lcnc-relay: <rs> jpa-: how did you measure that?
12:37 PM roycroft: the tormach system uses a special, repeatable collet to hold the tooling
12:37 PM jpa-: i didn't, it's a calculation from the acceleration and adding 2 ms for signal latencies
12:38 PM jpa-: but i guess you could measure it from servo feedback in halscope easy enough
12:38 PM Rab: Some tool holder technologies are inherently un-repeatable, for example ER collets pull in the tool an undefined amount. I think I originally learned that from someone here.
12:38 PM roycroft: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DP23GYGB
12:39 PM roycroft: is something like that likely to actualhy work?
12:39 PM jpa-: 1.5N sounds a bit large if you use small tools (like V-bit engraving)
12:40 PM roycroft: tormach, iirc, uses an r8 collet system but claim that their collets insert repeatably
12:43 PM lcnc-relay: <rs> to properly adjust the vers.ge tool setter you need a dial indicator that has a "burden" of less than 0,3-0,5N
12:43 PM roycroft: i'll be using nothing but small tools on the mini-router
12:43 PM lcnc-relay: <rs> so it seems anything around 0,7N will trigger it
12:43 PM lcnc-relay: <rs> Contact force min 0.5N max 2N
12:48 PM roycroft: most of the inexpensive ones do not indicate the required contact force
12:49 PM roycroft: i guess that disqualifies them due to lack of published specifications
01:06 PM xxcoder: roy I'd add a way to bypass tlo for specality tool like mini facemill
01:08 PM xxcoder: theres also ones where you just clip to tool and have contact plate on part
01:08 PM xxcoder: so it touches off and then adjust by plate height
01:09 PM xxcoder: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2025/10/251029002917.htm interesting. I wonder if we would start replacing some glass applications with diamonds
01:12 PM roycroft: that's what i have, xxcoder
01:12 PM roycroft: it's a pcb with a power cable, a spindle cable, and a pcb plate with a return cable
01:12 PM roycroft: power and return go to the mesa board
01:12 PM xxcoder: ahh ok :)
01:13 PM roycroft: spindle cable goes to the spindle/tool
01:13 PM xxcoder: I saw nice laser-touchoff combo devices which is cool, it uses laser to know where tip is, roughly, then it touches off for more precise
01:13 PM roycroft: but i hadn't considered that i can't touch-off in mid job when i change tooling
01:14 PM roycroft: i did not know, but assumed there was a way to pause, touch off, and resume
01:14 PM xxcoder: huh why isnt that possible
01:14 PM roycroft: so an automated system would be better
01:14 PM lcnc-relay: <Mister Wallace> My Velox router uses an ER25 collet with smaller collet holders inside that, it’s apparently repeatable by bottoming out the secondary holder, but that’s only helpful if you have enough of the holders (which I don’t)
01:14 PM roycroft: i don't know, but that's the gist of the discussion here this morning
01:15 PM roycroft: that to do tooling changes with manual touch-off requires splitting each tool into a separate job
01:15 PM lcnc-relay: <Mister Wallace> Why can’t it be automated touch off with manual tool changes? Don’t you just leave a sufficient rest in the code for you to do the change?
01:16 PM xxcoder: linuxcnc can be configured to wait for user to change tool
01:16 PM roycroft: sure
01:16 PM xxcoder: so no problem on that part
01:16 PM roycroft: that part is easy
01:16 PM roycroft: it's the touching off and setting the z height that i assume is the issue
01:17 PM roycroft: i'm not the one that brought this up, and i can't explain it
01:17 PM xxcoder: im sure its possible to set m6 to park and wait for you to change tool, then touch that said tool off
01:17 PM lcnc-relay: <Mister Wallace> I’m not sure what the issue is, since the z is stored for each tool independently
01:17 PM lcnc-relay: <Mister Wallace> I’ve run shop bots that run like that, so it’s definitely possible
01:17 PM xxcoder: thats fine with repeatable toolholder. what he has arent
01:17 PM roycroft: the issue, from what i understand, is that you can't store it until you install the tool
01:17 PM roycroft: and you can't store it mid-job
01:18 PM roycroft: with repeatable tooling you store it all before executing the job
01:18 PM lcnc-relay: <Mister Wallace> You can’t?
01:18 PM roycroft: if you have to touch off every tool change you can't do that
01:18 PM lcnc-relay: <Mister Wallace> Huh, didn’t realize that
01:18 PM lcnc-relay: <Mister Wallace> So then my real solution would have to be getting enough of those tool holders
01:18 PM roycroft: that is my understanding from what has been discussed here over the last half hour or so
01:19 PM lcnc-relay: <Mister Wallace> I keep leaving for work, so I must’ve missed it
01:19 PM roycroft: if my understanding is correct, that seems a real shortcoming of linuxcnc
01:19 PM roycroft: one should be able to reset the z height during a pause
01:19 PM lcnc-relay: <Mister Wallace> Definitely
01:19 PM roycroft: and when i bought my pcb touch plate i assumed i could do so
01:20 PM roycroft: the thought never crossed my mind that i wouldn't be able to do that
01:20 PM xxcoder: sadly I never got into multi-tool of any kind, all my tests was single tool
01:20 PM roycroft: it seems as fundamental and basic a feature as any
01:21 PM Tom_L: a simple call to a subroutine in the code would enable all sorts of possibilities
01:21 PM roycroft: i don't know where my roof rebuild is going at this point - it's getting really late in the year, and it's going to be raining more than not
01:21 PM lcnc-relay: <Mister Wallace> Speaking of touch plates, I was looking into this but looks like I’m too late: https://us.openbuilds.com/xyz-touch-probe-plus/
01:21 PM Tom_L: preferrably in a M6 remap
01:21 PM xxcoder: tom I was thinking script for m6 but wasnt sure
01:21 PM xxcoder: ahh
01:21 PM roycroft: i'm going to continue working on it, but i may have a lot of days that i can't
01:21 PM roycroft: i should get back to the mini-router project on those days
01:22 PM Tom_L: doing a remap is pretty straighforward, you just gotta know what you need
01:22 PM lcnc-relay: <Mister Wallace> Anyone have a solid alternative for the above touch plate?
01:22 PM roycroft: this touching off thing is a complication that i need to research some more now
01:23 PM Tom_L: what makes it complicated is it is a case by case basis
01:23 PM Tom_L: that's why i didn't include it in my flex examples
01:23 PM lcnc-relay: <Mister Wallace> Thinking about this more, if I have to manually loosen a collet every tool change I don’t think having every separate tool path as a separate job is a big deal
01:24 PM lcnc-relay: <Mister Wallace> So, still having a repeatable probe would be great
01:24 PM roycroft: if your cam software can split it up like that easily ...
01:24 PM xxcoder: more steps, more chances of error, like loading wrong program for given tool
01:24 PM xxcoder: you dont wanna use facemill like chamfer tool
01:25 PM lcnc-relay: <Mister Wallace> roycroft: It can
01:25 PM roycroft: i don't recall ever seeing a "split job up into individual files for each tool change" button in my cam software
01:25 PM roycroft: but i also never looked for that
01:25 PM lcnc-relay: <Mister Wallace> xxcoder: To be clear this is for when I absolutely need to do it, I don’t plan to do it every job. I’d have to be careful with it.
01:25 PM xxcoder: well it sounds very possile with m6 remap like tom said anyway
01:26 PM lcnc-relay: <Mister Wallace> Solid
01:26 PM lcnc-relay: <Mister Wallace> Still need to find a sensor
01:26 PM xxcoder: just change tool, then setup plate and wire, let it run touch off, remove plate wire, then let it run
01:26 PM roycroft: mister wallace: there are heaps of cheap touch plates on amazon
01:26 PM lcnc-relay: <Mister Wallace> That’s the problem, which one should I get? ðŸ˜
01:29 PM roycroft: if it's just a touch plate it doesn't really matter much
01:38 PM lcnc-relay: <Mister Wallace> https://www.avidcnc.com/auto-z-and-corner-finding-touch-plate-p-288.html?srsltid=AfmBOoreHSCQUDZYv0SPQzAAAhFtqFNWVGqseC5bVwXu0QU2eBYIowjJ looks like Avid makes one that also does corner like the Openbuilds probe did, theoretically I should be able to get this going on linuxcnc
01:39 PM roycroft: any touch plate should work with linuxcnc
01:39 PM roycroft: it's a very simple device
01:54 PM JT-Shop: odd the rain is moving CCW and it almost never does that
02:25 PM rdtsc-w: seen more than a few laser-based toolsetter experiments - good for those with lots of free time on their hands
02:26 PM xxcoder: I saw that printed project for that
02:26 PM xxcoder: demo was super scary, after it measures via laser then touch off, it rapids into right above vise
02:30 PM rdtsc-w: also can take a webcam, remove its lens, shine a laser on it, and read where it hits in the 1-3 micron range, 1 micron with software interpolation
02:32 PM Rab: Is there a safe power limit for that?
02:32 PM xxcoder: pretty sure laser would be very low power
02:33 PM xxcoder: dont need all that much. I'd use laser of freq that cant be messed with by envorment lighting
03:08 PM rdtsc-w: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnHjrz_inQU laser flatness using webcam and interpolation software
03:13 PM Unterhaus__ is now known as Unterhausen
03:13 PM Unterhausen: I haven't been keeping track, is the tormach trajectory planner source available?
03:14 PM JT-Shop: there's a branch where I "think" andy has added the tormach tp
03:21 PM JT-Shop: https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/tree/Tormach_9_axis
03:45 PM Unterhausen: Thanks JT
03:46 PM Unterhausen: I recall there was significant work done to lcnc after the tormach branch
03:48 PM JT-Shop: I think a lot of the changes are to the guis
04:00 PM rmu: it doesn't work in its current form, it is just a dump of the tormach stuff without any changes
04:30 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> there is a branch with the tormach tp just replacing the linuxcnc one. but it needs a lot of work
04:31 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> (like - I don't think it works at all currently - andy did it)
06:59 PM andypugh: Yes, it’s just a way to get a feel for what has changed in the interim between LinuxCNC and Tormach by looking at the diff in Github.
07:09 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> The acceleration pump circuit is all cleaned out. Waiting on parts now
07:09 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> roycroft: Tormach in their more entry level stuff uses a proprietary setup called TTS, it goes into an adaptor that is r-8, but it is pretty repeatable. The TTS collets have a top ring that bottoms out
07:09 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> I think they also offer bt30 on their bigger machines
07:10 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> yes. I have one of thier prototypes here.. It is TTS - works well
07:10 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> the holder pulls up against a flat on the end of the spindle nose.
07:10 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> https://tormach.com/tts-shell-mill-arbor-1-2in-31830.html
07:12 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> for those who haven't seen one
07:13 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> I saw an old video of Chris Morley playing with xnurbs, is anything happening with that? Gcode is seeming a but long in the tooth in the grander context
07:13 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Bit
07:14 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> this?
07:14 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> https://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/g-code.html#gcode:g5.2-g5.3
07:15 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Might be, not sire if that's the same implementation
07:15 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> there is also cubic and quadratic splines
07:16 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> But is there a way to work straight off a solid model?
07:17 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> these are not 3d printers...
07:19 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Yeah, but I dunno, wouldn't have a clue how to code itz but if you can turn vectors into pixels infinitely then the same should be true for servo moves within the limitations of the hardware
07:23 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> that is why cam is so hard and good cam is expensive.
07:28 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> hmm - I should go down to the other polebuilding and see if there happens to be a zenith carb that is similar...
07:30 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> So this idea of using neural networks to tune a machine, like some sort of standard iterative setup, cut probe, cut probe, maybe even more applicable if using some vector interpreter with deep information of the machine's behaviour
07:32 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Like a bamboo framed router held together with vines with enough data should be capable of producing accurate parts
07:34 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> well - a milling machine that has to cut hard things.. Like steel.. Needs to be stiff enough that having to 'profile' the machine isn't as critical.. For the most part - you cut the part as fast as you can - then make accurate finish cuts within the envelope of the machines capability...
07:35 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Yeah, thinking more along the lines of automating that process
07:35 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> With more capacity than the average human on a Friday night
07:37 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> what you are saying - is already a thing. You cut the part on the mill - move it over to the coordinate measurement system - then adjust the program to make the part correctly.
07:37 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Yeah, but that involves a lot of human intervened
07:37 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Intervention
07:38 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> well - I would guess the human intervention is less and less
07:39 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> but probably not zero yet
07:41 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Thinking more along the lines of the model is ground truth, the neural network model of the machine needs to do all these micron adjustments on a continual basis based on previous data
07:42 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Like a lut for the machine
07:43 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Ideally continuously updated
07:44 PM lcnc-relay: <ccatlett1984@> you could do it with a CMM, and some code
07:44 PM lcnc-relay: <ccatlett1984@> realtime can be done for some things, like machine vision for seam tracking on welding robots
07:45 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> What about just a probe doing spot checking? Updating the "lut"
07:45 PM lcnc-relay: <ccatlett1984@> for a CNC application, you'd have issues with realtime info, getting enough of it to action on
07:46 PM lcnc-relay: <ccatlett1984@> using a CMM to look at a finished part, and feeding back into the program for the next part, can 100% be done
07:46 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Yeah it would have to check toolwear as well I guess
07:47 PM lcnc-relay: <ccatlett1984@> worse, compensate for heat swell, etc.
07:48 PM lcnc-relay: <ccatlett1984@> it comes down to what tolerances are, and how many data points you need to reliably hit them.
07:48 PM lcnc-relay: <ccatlett1984@> there is an old saying "perfect is the enemy of good"
07:50 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Yeah, just thinking you could just put probes, non contact heat, accelerometes into the data pool and run automated tests to eprofile a machine
07:52 PM lcnc-relay: <ccatlett1984@> can it be done, yes. but, at what cost, what gain
07:53 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Difficult to quantify, but potentially ease of setup, servo tuning and precision
07:54 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> And solid to machine control without gcode at all
07:54 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> No idea how feasible that would be
07:55 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> But, the whole digital twin thing does require a lot of sensor data
07:56 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> I'd say it's not out of enthusiast reach on the hardware front
07:57 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Be cool to have linuxcnc running straight from freecad with full sim
07:58 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Anyways, late night musings, brain half asleep
08:02 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> No zenith carbs that I can see. Found a couple Holly's
10:43 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> Single barrel holly.. didn't even know that was a thing... 😉
10:52 PM roycroft: https://www.domekeugene.com/
10:52 PM roycroft: that's where we went tonight
10:52 PM roycroft: the food was amazing
10:53 PM roycroft: that's the fourth or fifth restaurant in that location since i moved to eugene, and all of them were really good
10:53 PM xxcoder: lol mine was plain queulas. hy wheres my share ;)
10:53 PM roycroft: but this one was probably the best
10:53 PM xxcoder: looks nice
10:54 PM roycroft: the food was great, the cocktails were great, the service was great
10:55 PM roycroft: the only bad part was that it cost us $100 each
10:55 PM roycroft: kind of pricey
10:55 PM xxcoder: ow
10:56 PM roycroft: good food and good company makes it worth it
10:56 PM roycroft: and we're going for pizza next week to balance tonight
10:57 PM roycroft: we'll be going for apizza next week, actually
10:58 PM roycroft: https://www.thewheelapizzapub.com/
11:05 PM olfluffywf: I wish I could afford to eat out more than rarely and only at cheap places.
11:07 PM xxcoder: I went with my bro to bk. was nice chat, hes so busy most times. last time I went out eat before that was quite a while ago
11:07 PM olfluffywf: someone was raving about how good a local sushi place is... I looked them up... $120 per person.
11:08 PM olfluffywf: like... that's a full day's income.
11:08 PM olfluffywf is now known as fluffywolf
11:08 PM xxcoder: I go to winco for sushi
11:08 PM xxcoder: best? far from it. tastes good? yes.
11:09 PM fluffywolf: winco? there's one of those here. I thought it was a local thing, not a chain. lol. I utterly hate that store.
11:09 PM fluffywolf: it's the darkest, dreariest, ugliest supermarket in the history of supermarkets.
11:09 PM xxcoder: winco is one charactor each state man
11:10 PM xxcoder: washington, idaho, err unsure, california, oregon
11:10 PM fluffywolf: and filled with homeless and drug addicts.
11:10 PM xxcoder: not here
11:10 PM xxcoder: its walmarts that do
11:10 PM fluffywolf: nevada woul be the logical geographical entry I think.
11:11 PM xxcoder: you sure you arent confusing between walmart and winco? ;)
11:12 PM fluffywolf: The name is a portmanteau of "winning company".[16] Nonetheless, three Oregon stores — those in Independence, Keizer, and Ontario — are branded as "Waremart by WinCo".
11:12 PM fluffywolf: The idea that the company name is an acronym consisting of the first letters of the company's original five states of operation (Washington, Idaho, Nevada, California, and Oregon) is false. Michael Read, WinCo's VP of Public and Legal Affairs, called the theory "part of the folklore".[17]
11:12 PM fluffywolf: (per wikipedia)
11:13 PM xxcoder: interesting. ok
11:13 PM fluffywolf: walmart is mostly filled with tweakers, and has much, much better lighting. :P
11:13 PM xxcoder: well ones I go to have quite good lighting
11:13 PM xxcoder: I dont know if walmart is brighter or not, havent went to one for years
11:14 PM fluffywolf: I also hate walmart. lol
11:14 PM fluffywolf: I usaully get groceries at Safeway or the local places Murphy's and Eureka Natural Foods.
11:15 PM xxcoder: winco, fm and once a while trader joe
11:15 PM fluffywolf: I used to shop at Costco a lot, but they're not convient for me to get to with how many hours I work lately.
11:15 PM fluffywolf: don't know what fm is, and I've heard the name trader joe's but never seen one.
11:16 PM xxcoder: fred meyer
11:16 PM fluffywolf: Costco is the cheapest, if you don't mind having the same thing every day for a week.
11:16 PM xxcoder: trader joe is pretty pricy
11:16 PM xxcoder: I love some of their frozen food
11:17 PM fluffywolf: costco also treats their employees really well, unlike safeway.
11:17 PM xxcoder: I used to go to costco but honestly I only went there once each few months so money wasnt worth it
11:19 PM fluffywolf: their gas rewards is more than worth the membership cost for me.
11:19 PM xxcoder: gas rewards?
11:21 PM fluffywolf: 5% at their gas, 4% elsewhere, when you pay with your costco credit card
11:21 PM xxcoder: ahh yes. I dont have a credit card'
11:22 PM fluffywolf: with gas being over $5/gallon here, that adds up really fast.
11:23 PM fluffywolf: $2 reward per 10 gallons, or $2.50 if you get it at costco.
11:26 PM xxcoder: that certainly adds up if go often enough
11:27 PM fluffywolf: I drive 150 miles a day.
11:27 PM xxcoder: sadly I refuel my car once 2 ro 4 months so it wouldnt be big benefit
11:37 PM roycroft: trader joe's is not all that expensive compared to other stores with similar items
11:38 PM xxcoder: I suppose not, but certainly more expensive than winco and fm in general
11:38 PM roycroft: i was in west eugene today, and went to the cheapest filling station in town (i'm usually to far away to go there)
11:39 PM roycroft: 87 octane gas was $3.24/gallon - the cheapest it's been in a long time
11:39 PM roycroft: i headed back towards downtown, and the 7-11 that's just 3 blocks away from the cheap place, and which is always way expensive, had 87 octane for $6.89/gallon
11:40 PM roycroft: i swear that is not a real 7-11, but a mafia meeting place
11:40 PM fluffywolf: https://www.mouser.com/c/?q=A60X400 lol, these random fuses I've been using were $500 each new. ... that's kinda absurd.
11:41 PM roycroft: new simone gertz video~
11:41 PM roycroft: and, well duh, fluffywolf
11:41 PM xxcoder: when I see a store that never seems to have no customers yet always in business, I wonder if mafia lol
11:42 PM roycroft: they are "specialty" fuses
11:42 PM roycroft: you need to start using "regular" fuses
11:43 PM roycroft: xxcoder: when this 7-11 was first built they had gas for $8.88/gallon for MONTHS
11:43 PM roycroft: i thought at first that the sign was not working properly
11:44 PM xxcoder: mafia boss, or greed boss
11:44 PM roycroft: other than that 7-11, the most expensive gas i saw today was $4.49/gallon
11:46 PM fluffywolf: $5.159 is the standard price here. The place I go to is $4.62. The most expensive is $5.299
11:48 PM roycroft: we hovered around $4 for a while when the refinery was shut down, but it's been mostly coming down since then
11:49 PM roycroft: except when dear leader throws a tantrum and imposes some stupid tariff that affects the global oil price
11:49 PM roycroft: then it spikes up again for a bit
11:50 PM fluffywolf: the nytime's top headline online today is that dear leader wants to restart nuclear testing.
11:50 PM roycroft: yes, i read that
11:50 PM roycroft: except he directed the department of defense to do it
11:51 PM roycroft: but it's actually the energy department that does htat
11:55 PM fluffywolf: the local gas station is cheaper than costco and the casinos... it's a tiny one pump, above ground tank place, staffed by the owner and her son.
11:56 PM roycroft: the casinos in oregon do not sell fuel
11:56 PM fluffywolf: the casinos here all do.
11:56 PM roycroft: there are filling stations on some of the reservations
11:56 PM roycroft: i'm not near them often enough to know what the price difference is
11:57 PM fluffywolf: I don't go to them. the one that's near my daily drive really pissed me off last time, and I haven't been back.
11:57 PM fluffywolf: I was thirsty. I went inside for a bottle of water. Nope! they only have alcohol, sugar, and caffiene drinks. no water of any form.
11:58 PM fluffywolf: because casinos are all about addiction and stupidity, and they carry that policy over to their gas station store as well.
11:58 PM fluffywolf: I even asked one of the employees if I was missing where they kept water, and he confirmed they didn't sell it.
11:59 PM fluffywolf: you can drive off with a bottle of vodka, but not a bottle of water.