#linuxcnc Logs
Oct 10 2025
#linuxcnc Calendar
01:33 AM Deejay: moin
03:29 AM lcnc-relay: <pink_vampire@> good morning
03:53 AM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Mornin folks
04:26 AM Tom_L: morning
04:45 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> moin
06:24 AM JT-Mobile: morning
07:03 AM rdtsc-w: morning and moin... TGIF
07:36 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> https://multixmedia.org/rpi5-flow.png
07:37 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> https://multixmedia.org/parport-flow.png
07:37 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> parport and rpi5 config via rio flow gui 🙂
07:38 AM Tom_L: nice
07:44 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> ethercat would be nice too 🙂
07:45 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> and all mixed together, but for that i need a bigger rewrite to support multiple boards 🙁
08:04 AM lcnc-relay: <alekisan@> Anything to help EtherCAT would be amazing!
08:10 AM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> moin, all
08:10 AM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> and a very TGIF day to you
08:19 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> fluffywolf: he made it play the doom theme song... lol
08:21 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I think it is way way too underpowered for any sort of 3d rendering - even 3d monster maze.. (from 81)
08:21 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> plus - how are you going to show this on a teletype machine 🙂
08:50 AM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> " you are in room 12... I smell a wumpus"
10:30 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> There was a TI game called 'hunt the wumpus'
10:36 AM Tom_L: pong = rpi4, space invaders = ri5
10:37 AM Tom_L: skunkworks, did you see the links for updating the eeproms?
10:38 AM Tom_L: i went back to the Jan one on the one i'd changed here
10:38 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> no - I will have to look back. what eeprom have you found to be the best so far?
10:38 AM Tom_L: all i tried was the lastest and Jan and found Jan a bit better
10:38 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
10:51 AM Tom_itx: https://www.cytron.io/tutorial/raspberry-pi-imager-updating-bootloader
10:51 AM * roycroft remembers hunt the wumpus
10:51 AM Tom_L: that tells how but mainly the screen will go green for success and red for fail
10:51 AM Tom_L: i treated it like a regular iso file and ignored the rest
10:51 AM Tom_L: burn to a blank SD and insert it, it will go green after a few sec then remove and put the regular SD back in
10:51 AM Tom_L: or nvme
01:08 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> skunkworks8841@: the only game I remember aver playing on a teletype
01:08 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> * ever
01:15 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
02:57 PM * roycroft wonders if the solidworks product managers used to work for microsoft
02:58 PM roycroft: i've been struggling to set up sheet formats and title block templates for sw drawings
02:59 PM roycroft: i've not done much with sw drawings in the past, but since i modeled this entire roof project in sw i figured it would be best to generate sw drawings as opposed to my usual method of making 2d drawings in autocad from scratch to replicate the sw parts
03:00 PM roycroft: trying to customize those things has been an exercise in frustration - they're not well documented, and when i read articles and view videos online they are very version-specific
03:00 PM roycroft: i.e. what works in sw 2017 is quite different in 2018, and different again in 2020, 2022, 2025, etc.
03:00 PM roycroft: for no really good reason
03:01 PM roycroft: they just move stuff around gratuitously
03:01 PM xxcoder: change for sake of change
03:01 PM roycroft: it's the most microsoftish thing i can imagine
03:01 PM Tom_L: gotta keep employees employed
03:01 PM roycroft: i totally get adding new features, and i appreciate that
03:01 PM roycroft: but moving existing ones around just to be doing it is wrong
03:02 PM roycroft: and if they needed to do it to add the new features, theire 5 year feature roadmap should have let them know that before they put the feature in the current version
03:02 PM roycroft: i'm finally 98% there, though, and i just generated a bunch of drawings - enough to get me through the next week
03:03 PM roycroft: i even have things like auto-populating the title and creator in the title block from the drawing parameters now
03:03 PM roycroft: it's supposed to auto-populate the scale based on the model scale, but that seems to work sometimes and not other times
03:03 PM roycroft: i can manually change it though when it doesn't pick it up automatically
03:04 PM roycroft: goal 1 - have the drawings look exactly how i want them to look, with all the information i need on them: done
03:04 PM roycroft: goal 2 - have as many things as can be auto-populated set up to do so: mostly done
03:10 PM roycroft: the most annoying thing, and the thing that took me almost the longest to deal with, is that up until very recently (sw2022, i think), solidworks had no custom date format feature
03:10 PM roycroft: you had to use either the windows system long date format or the windows system short date format
03:10 PM Tom_L: haven't used it in a while and never did drawings that much
03:10 PM Tom_L: usually created them from a model when i did
03:10 PM roycroft: i ended up editing the windows system date formats to get what i needed
03:11 PM roycroft: yeah - that's what i'm doing
03:11 PM Tom_L: acad may be better at architectural things
03:11 PM roycroft: "make drawing from model" and "make drawing from assembly"
03:11 PM roycroft: yes, it is, but autocad isn't interested in that any more
03:11 PM roycroft: because there is revit now
03:12 PM roycroft: which really is a superior architectural drawing tool
03:12 PM Tom_L: i haven't looked at it in a very long time
03:12 PM roycroft: i wish i could afford revit
03:15 PM roycroft: i would only use it for the work i'm doing on my own property, though, and i can't afford thousands of dollars for that
03:15 PM roycroft: and if i could, i would not be able to cost-justify it
03:16 PM roycroft: which is why i'm modeling this shop project in sw
03:17 PM Tom_L: most of my home projects were in acad
03:17 PM roycroft: mine were as well, until this project, which requires very precise, complicated joinery
03:17 PM roycroft: i really needed to model it in 3d
03:18 PM roycroft: because i'm way too old to keep all the dimensions in my head
03:18 PM Tom_L: acad does 3d kinda kludgy
03:18 PM roycroft: yes
03:18 PM roycroft: i tried it
03:18 PM roycroft: they first started doing 3d stuff in 2008, which i have
03:18 PM Tom_L: i new a guy that used it for complex aircraft parts
03:18 PM Tom_L: honestly don't know how he managed
03:18 PM roycroft: we ended up buying solidworks 2008 instead of trying to do 3d with acad
03:19 PM roycroft: all those wwii planes, which are fairly complicated pieces of machinery, were designed and drawn completely by hand
03:19 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Why not Freecad?
03:19 PM Tom_L: not quite there yet
03:19 PM Tom_L: getting better though
03:19 PM roycroft: because until recently freecad was unsuitable for any kind of production use
03:20 PM Tom_L: once i can start it without crashing in the first 5 min...
03:20 PM roycroft: and now that it's somewhat suitable for that, i don't have time to learn it well for what i'm doing right now
03:20 PM roycroft: and i'm sure it's still far more lacking in features than my version of solidworks
03:20 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Fusion?
03:21 PM roycroft: nobody has made a case for switching from solidworks to fusion360
03:21 PM Tom_L: have my own thoughts about that too
03:21 PM Tom_L: offer then pull the rug
03:21 PM roycroft: why should i spend thousands of dollars on new parametric modeling software that doesn't do a lot more for me than what i already have?
03:21 PM roycroft: their "community" version is completely useless
03:21 PM roycroft: it does not have a stable licensing model
03:22 PM roycroft: their commercial version is the only thing that i would ever be able to consider
03:22 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Isn't the free version enough for architectural stuff?
03:22 PM roycroft: no
03:22 PM roycroft: because one never knows from one day to the next what the license terms will be
03:22 PM roycroft: i don't like living on the edge like that
03:23 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Not saying autodesk isn't evil
03:23 PM roycroft: i don't know that they're evil
03:23 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> That's its achilles heel I think
03:23 PM roycroft: but they, as almost all corporations, look more towards enhancing their bottom line than benefiting their customers
03:24 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Why blender was able to take over so much
03:24 PM roycroft: which, in fairness, is the duty of a corporation
03:24 PM roycroft: unless it's a b-corp
03:24 PM roycroft: and they are definitely a c corp, not a b corp
03:25 PM roycroft: they could be sued by their shareholders if they do things that benefit their customers that negatively impact their bottom line
03:25 PM roycroft: so i don't blame them at all for how they conduct their business
03:25 PM roycroft: but i can choose to do business with them or not based on that
03:26 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Problem us, they bought themselves out of competition, which destroyed their ability to be dynamic
03:26 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Owning a market is bad for the company in question, makes them vulnerable
03:28 PM roycroft: it makes them a monopoly
03:28 PM roycroft: and monopolies need to be regulated
03:28 PM roycroft: adam smith 101
03:28 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> When I have a minute to breathe I want to try plasticity
03:28 PM roycroft: i have his ~500 page book
03:28 PM roycroft: and the term "invisible hand" appears exactly one time in all 500 pages
03:28 PM roycroft: it's his argument for capitalism
03:29 PM roycroft: the other 499ish pages are about how capitalism can become corrupt, and why there needs to be oversight/regulation
03:29 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> So do billionaires, it should be legally impossible to be a billionaire
03:29 PM roycroft: the "lassaiz-faire capitalists" who love to quote "the wealth of nations" have never read it
03:30 PM roycroft: they just know that one phrase from it and base their entire economic strategy on it
03:30 PM roycroft: i have no problem with people becoming wealthy
03:30 PM roycroft: it's how they do that that concerns me
03:30 PM roycroft: anyway, we're straying pretty far from the scope of the channel
03:31 PM roycroft: i'll conclude by saying i'm not going to use freecad just because it's "free" software
03:31 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Having 10 million money units is wealthy, having a billion is a feudal lord
03:31 PM roycroft: i would use it if it were good software, and right now it's not so good
03:31 PM Tom_L: thank you
03:32 PM roycroft: if it does become good software i'll try to use it more
03:32 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> I haven't tried it lately, mostly using fusion
03:33 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Is it unstable on all platforms?
03:33 PM roycroft: when you look at things that are "free" vs things that cost money, before you make the determination of what is best for you, put a price tag on your time and add your time into the equation
03:33 PM roycroft: sometimes "free" can be very expensive
03:33 PM roycroft: freecad 1.0 is fairly stable, but i've not used it very much
03:34 PM roycroft: i have used it on linux and mac os
03:34 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Sure, Blender and Linux are some exceptions however long they took to get there
03:34 PM roycroft: i don't know that i've ever tried freecad on windows
03:34 PM roycroft: don't forget linuxcnc :)
03:34 PM roycroft: add that to your list of "free" stuff that works
03:39 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Yeah, LinuxCNC is awesome, it feels vulnerable though, there's these core guys working their arse off, and I think it could be in a better place if it was a foundation with some funding. I appreciate the anarchy creating something this good, but feel like it has the potential to be a Blender of the CNC world. Something to scare the big boys
03:40 PM roycroft: i, too, would like to see a foundation or something similar for it
03:41 PM roycroft: the fortuante thing is that it works reall well now, and should something happen to the ad hoc group that maintains it currently, it will continue to work well
03:41 PM roycroft: and someone would surely fork it and take on the project
03:41 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Open source is the strength, someone could step in
03:41 PM roycroft: but i think it would be best to establish a foundation that can ensure continuity, and obtain funding to make development easier
03:43 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Even something that could allow people to take a half time job and work on LCNC for half the week
03:43 PM roycroft: right now it's more a ragtag band of enthusiasts than anything else
03:44 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> There are pitfalls of course
03:44 PM roycroft: and there's nothing wrong with that, of course
03:44 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> With organisations come drama and complexity
03:44 PM xxcoder: should always have in least few younger members
03:44 PM * roycroft notes that there is drama and complexity already within the linuxcnc community
03:45 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Yeah, but the consequences aren't quite the same
03:45 PM roycroft: granted, it could be worse
03:45 PM lcnc-relay: <allaboutjake@> Got my leadscrews moving nicely! https://imgur.com/a/qU3GkTx
03:45 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> allaboutjake@: Your content isn't available
03:46 PM lcnc-relay: <allaboutjake@> hmm wonder why
03:46 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Probably too explicit
03:47 PM lcnc-relay: <allaboutjake@> https://imgur.com/a/mesa-7i96s-3d-printed-enclosure-qU3GkTx
03:47 PM lcnc-relay: <allaboutjake@> how about that one?
03:47 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Computer says no
03:48 PM lcnc-relay: <allaboutjake@> https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/q7droe2wo3tfb1hr0hm7a/IMG_4614.jpeg?rlkey=0x7jfrfoucziw566tlex1jmep&st=bg6s8sfv&dl=0
03:48 PM lcnc-relay: <allaboutjake@> https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/hip69to75vjldmwu2zgd3/IMG_4573.jpeg?rlkey=68zxwo8knffh9wg14m1tesn43&st=vpbg2cho&dl=0
03:49 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Neat, what servo is that
03:49 PM xxcoder: interesting board enclosure
03:50 PM lcnc-relay: <allaboutjake@> yeah, I don't have a fancy DIN enclosure yet.
03:50 PM lcnc-relay: <allaboutjake@> So I just 3D printed something
03:51 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> I think it's a good idea for testing, Ivehad some unfortunate incidents with exposed pcbs over the years
03:51 PM xxcoder: its definitely good idea
03:51 PM xxcoder: mini router tests I didnt enclosure the boards and it wasnt great lol
03:51 PM xxcoder: expecially spindle board
03:51 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> I was looking for lithium chargers with a cover earlier
03:52 PM roycroft: speaking of fancy enclosures, i really need to get this pid temperature controller working
03:52 PM roycroft: and my mill-drill is still in storage, so i'm going to have to do all the panel cutouts with drills and saws and files
03:52 PM roycroft: that's not going to be fun
03:52 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Not had an incident, but can easily forsee one
03:54 PM xxcoder: you can always design and build micro drill press
03:55 PM lcnc-relay: <allaboutjake@> Here is my early 2000's era servo conversion: https://web.archive.org/web/20060428181444fw_/http://s120220635.onlinehome.us/servo-components.asp
03:55 PM lcnc-relay: <allaboutjake@> Don't go to camtronics-cnc dot com now, its a virus scam site. 🙂
03:56 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> That's a chunky boy
03:57 PM lcnc-relay: <allaboutjake@> yeah nowhere to wedge the Mesa in this old enclosure, so the 3D printed enclosure with a DB-25 output works for now.
03:59 PM lcnc-relay: <allaboutjake@> Everything is working well, but there is a _slight_ "rumble" in the Y-axis when making rapid negative moves, but not when making postive moves. No obvious leadcrew damange or misadjustment, so I'm just chalking it up to "old leadscrews"
03:59 PM lcnc-relay: <allaboutjake@> The machine is 25 years
04:00 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Gonna stick with it or are there ballscrews on the horizon?
04:00 PM xxcoder: wonder if its bearings
04:00 PM lcnc-relay: <allaboutjake@> for now, yes, but I've always wanted ballscrews.
04:01 PM lcnc-relay: <allaboutjake@> It might be the bearing. I can't feel anything diffent when turning by hand. Theres a sealed ball bearing up front which I could probably stand to change.
04:01 PM lcnc-relay: <allaboutjake@> Its not the ways or the gib because it slides freely when the leadscrew is out.
04:01 PM xxcoder: might just need regrease if its that old
04:02 PM xxcoder: might have gotten like thick nutella or worse
04:02 PM lcnc-relay: <allaboutjake@> I just did a sloppy regrease, but might need a more thorough cleaning and regrease.
04:02 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> As suspicious as I am of the current LLM lunacy, I have thought quite a bit about machine learning setups making hokey setups spurn out extremely accurate parts, it seems feasible
04:03 PM xxcoder: just remember that llm does not actually think
04:03 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Yeah, but a neural network with enough data should be able to refine almost anything
04:04 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> If it was designed well
04:05 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Just tell it bad boy or good boy for every job
04:05 PM xxcoder: yeah I have my doubts but maybe with couple decades or so
04:08 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Has anyone done anything with reinforcement learning on lcnc?
04:10 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Thinking, giving a neural network control of say 5% deviation from feed and speed parameters could be interesting
04:11 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Or even an automated cut and result with a probe
04:14 PM lcnc-relay: <allaboutjake@> xxcoder: This was intended to solve my specific needs, but if its useful: https://cad.onshape.com/documents/ea92946c9c3ba3884d09ce21/w/b8bf92f86cd8a0eee6e1c4f4/e/540ab567adb17aaae3a028e5?renderMode=0&uiState=68e97447c0bb09dd3cf1a072
04:15 PM xxcoder: nice indeed
04:16 PM lcnc-relay: <allaboutjake@> some connectors for limit switches etc are destined for the holes eventually.
04:17 PM xxcoder: I wonder if its good idea for mesa to offer free or very low cost temp holder models
04:17 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> allaboutjake@: love the enclosure, and the mill's looking good
04:17 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> showed up fine on imgur, here
04:18 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> xxcoder: Or could be in a lcncc.org downloads area
04:18 PM xxcoder: yeah
04:18 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> -1cc
04:19 PM xxcoder: printable.com would be good spot for it also
04:20 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> There are a few mesa things on the various 3d print sites, but either links or downloads on the website would be good
04:20 PM xxcoder: erm printables.com that is
04:47 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
05:13 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> well
05:13 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> the gpio driver in linuxcnc for the rpi5 is not going to work very well with high step ouput.
05:13 PM roycroft: it's the weekend!
05:13 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> you can barely run a 100us base thread.
05:13 PM xxcoder: 🎉
05:14 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> skunkworks8841@: Oops
05:14 PM roycroft: and i have to remake most of my templates, as i've learned a new layout method that is even more accurate that what i was going to use
05:14 PM roycroft: but that won't take too long
05:16 PM roycroft: timber framing is more like machining than most other woodworking disciplines, but with a great challenge that is rarely present in machining
05:16 PM roycroft: when machining one often does not have the luxury of offering a part up to its mating part to see how well it fits
05:16 PM roycroft: one instead relies on careful layout and precision machining operations
05:17 PM roycroft: and timber framing is like machining in that respect
05:17 PM roycroft: but there is a big difference - imagine trying to machine a precise part when you do not have valid layout references
05:18 PM roycroft: i.e. you clamp a rough piece of metal in a vise, and cannot square it up or edge find it
05:18 PM roycroft: you have to just pick reference points and machine off of them
05:18 PM roycroft: that's the rub with timber framing
05:28 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I wonder if a pcie printer port would work better...
05:30 PM roycroft: i'm leaning heavily towards getting an rpi5 for the mini router
05:31 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> skunkworks8841@: What about ethernet
05:31 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Both my cm5s have dual ethernet
05:32 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> well both spi and ethernet with mesa cards work wonderfully - I just thought with pretty low latency - it would be able to bit-bang better
05:33 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Yeah, just how much does os stuff get in the way ofnthe gpio
05:34 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> right - the printer port driver is pretty basic
06:42 PM JT-Mobile: Bowling Green was fun
07:44 PM acer: so I'm looking for a decent touch screen display for the py's when I start down that path converting the lathe and mill to cnc
07:45 PM acer is now known as _unreal_
07:46 PM _unreal_: e1759fwu looking for a monitor like this
07:46 PM _unreal_: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1098331-REG/aoc_e1759fwu_widescreen_lcd_monitor.html
07:46 PM _unreal_: only touch screen
07:52 PM _unreal_: ?
07:52 PM _unreal_: well I'm thinking maybe something like this https://www.temu.com/-portable-stand-monitor-14-1-inch-ultra-thin-touch-portable-laptop-monitor-1200p-external-monitor-with-dual-speakers-and--suitable-for-laptops-pc-phones--ps4-5-g-601101145576133.html?_oak_name_id=2900218532478129856&_oak_mp_inf=EMWlhqKs1ogBGiA2MTVlODZiYjYyMWI0OTM4OTJiMGMyZjQxNDMyMzhmYyCaqM6FnTM%3D&top_gallery_url=https%3A%2F%2Fimg.kwcdn.com%2Fproduct%2Ffmket%2
07:52 PM _unreal_: F6882dbddf22a3de540bf4d03754a49f1.jpg&spec_gallery_id=1&refer_page_sn=10009&refer_source=0&freesia_scene=2&_oak_freesia_scene=2&_oak_rec_ext_1=ODgyNA&_oak_gallery_order=996024783%2C2121001717%2C971510898%2C476186670%2C946468238&search_key=touch%20portable%20display&refer_page_el_sn=200049&refer_page_name=search_result&refer_page_id=10009_1760142423533_brrq8rinrp&_x_sessn_id=x3oz3woiiz
07:52 PM _unreal_: GAAA
07:53 PM rdtsc: I used this one, not cheap, but 15.6in and works well: https://www.waveshare.com/product/raspberry-pi/displays/lcd-oled/15.6hp-capqled.htm?___SID=U
07:53 PM _unreal_: here https://tinyurl.com/2fhcfzu9
07:54 PM _unreal_: $169? thats not bad thought you said it was going to be expensive
07:54 PM * rdtsc is usually rather cheap :)
07:54 PM _unreal_: what is the input
07:54 PM _unreal_: oh I found it hdmi
07:55 PM rdtsc: do need a micro hdmi to regular hdmi adapter
07:55 PM rdtsc: think it came with one
07:55 PM _unreal_: regardless I'd be getting two
07:55 PM _unreal_: what ever I get
07:55 PM _unreal_: thats going into my save list
07:56 PM rdtsc: very thin, perfect for custom mounting
07:59 PM _unreal_: I believe my goal will be twin dbl hinge mount arms
07:59 PM _unreal_: so I can park them or pull them out
07:59 PM _unreal_: though ones with locks so they can be set to a location
08:09 PM roycroft: adam savage is drilling a buttload of holes with an annular drill
08:09 PM roycroft: he pre-drilled pilot holes for all of them
08:10 PM roycroft: he is entertaining, but he should be forbidden from using his bridgport mill on camera
08:16 PM fluffywolf: lol
08:16 PM _unreal_: UGH
08:16 PM _unreal_: the hell of setting up a new linux box
08:16 PM fluffywolf: I don't watch many of his videos, but I think in one of his machining ones that I did watch, he explicitly stated he was not a machinist and was learning as he went.
08:17 PM _unreal_: I've loving this solid state pc
08:17 PM _unreal_: i5
08:17 PM _unreal_: just ordered the ram upgrade
08:17 PM _unreal_: wish it was an i7 but what ever
08:17 PM _unreal_: cant argue with free
08:20 PM fluffywolf: this is a i5-3360M... my fastest box is an i5-3570k.
08:20 PM Tom_L: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N4U7E7H?th=1
08:20 PM Tom_L: _unreal_,
08:20 PM _unreal_: My fastest box is a crazy gaming i7 that I have never used
08:21 PM _unreal_: Tom_L, Currently unavailable
08:21 PM _unreal_: what is the price average?
08:21 PM Tom_L: yeah i see now
08:21 PM Tom_L: was looking for another in the logs
08:21 PM Tom_L: jt suggested that one
08:22 PM fluffywolf: I'm not a gamer, so no gamer stuff. lol
08:24 PM Tom_L: possibly that one may be discontinued... sold out everywhere
08:25 PM _unreal_: Tom_L, likely a china related thing
08:25 PM Tom_L: it had been verified to work though
08:26 PM _unreal_: what "size" would you guys suggest may be ideal
08:26 PM Tom_L: probably 15"
08:26 PM Tom_L: at least 1024
08:27 PM Tom_L: i'm not one to want or need 4k
08:27 PM fluffywolf: This is 1920x1200 on a 15", which is nice... but "ideal" seems very much a personal opinion, not something with an objective answer.
08:28 PM _unreal_: god I have so much catch up work to do
08:28 PM _unreal_: I was starting to do real good in blender back in 2012
08:29 PM _unreal_: and I've more or less not touched it since
08:29 PM Tom_L: https://www.waveshare.com/15.6inch-hdmi-lcd.htm
08:29 PM _unreal_: "LIVE ISSUES"
08:29 PM _unreal_: HEH Tom_L I read resistive touch at first.
08:29 PM Tom_L: i think someone may be using one or at least that brand
08:30 PM _unreal_: i'd prob go the 15.6" one
08:31 PM _unreal_: Toughened Glass Panel
08:31 PM Tom_L: on the rpi4/5, using a Waveshare touchscreen - natively supported, but did have to add some tweaks to the OS configuration for it
08:31 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> netsuite is switching to a different odbc driver and I have been putting off re-writing our interface to it.. (the old odbc will stop working sometime early next year)
08:31 PM fluffywolf: If you were good at blender, at any time, you're far, far smarter than I am.
08:31 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I finally starting looking at it and it is going to be a pain.. but I feel better about it.
08:32 PM fluffywolf: I found blender's learning curve to look like a cliff...
08:32 PM _unreal_: I built some active designs motion designs
08:33 PM _unreal_: fluffywolf, https://photos.app.goo.gl/ZVxFnvZABBCnJGsW9
08:33 PM _unreal_: https://photos.app.goo.gl/CuUszxKaFziVnQKX9
08:33 PM _unreal_: https://photos.app.goo.gl/1ejmwQjHGskbBvob9
08:33 PM _unreal_: fluffywolf, just some examples of stuff I do
08:34 PM _unreal_: ?
08:34 PM fluffywolf: I don't think that page is ever going to load on my connection. heh.
08:35 PM _unreal_: ?
08:35 PM * Tom_L gives fluffywolf some fiber to chew on
08:35 PM _unreal_: I've only got 10gig fiber
08:35 PM Tom_L: i'm getting fiber in Nov
08:35 PM Tom_L: 10G is a bit silly though
08:35 PM fluffywolf: I have a t-mobile hotspot, currently managing 80K/sec down.
08:36 PM _unreal_: 80k isnt bad
08:36 PM fluffywolf: make that 30K/sec...
08:36 PM _unreal_: hell there was a time FLOPPY access time would have been a DREAM download speed
08:36 PM _unreal_: hehe
08:36 PM fluffywolf: yes, and anything.google.com takes twenty minutes to load all the javascript at 80K/sec. lol
08:36 PM fluffywolf: worst bloated site on the internet.
08:36 PM _unreal_: no argument
08:37 PM _unreal_: I may setup a personal site at some point
08:37 PM fluffywolf: I couldn't make blender do anything other than spin a primitive around in the middle of the screen with my mouse.
08:37 PM xxcoder: I thought google was worse till I tried to load netflix link
08:37 PM Tom_L: makes life easier
08:37 PM _unreal_: I dont know if ATT has a "free" personal page never checked inot it
08:37 PM xxcoder: I couldnt scroll smoothly at that site at all lol
08:37 PM _unreal_: into
08:37 PM Tom_L: i pulled my server out of a trash can
08:37 PM xxcoder: wanted to read detail of one show but yeah not visiting site again
08:38 PM _unreal_: fluffywolf, you get any images loaded yet?
08:38 PM fluffywolf: there's a company installing fiber here now, new this year... except they're only installing it in cities, and I'm not in the city.
08:38 PM _unreal_: fluffywolf, how about starlink?
08:39 PM fluffywolf: I'm not a nazi.
08:39 PM _unreal_: I dont follow
08:39 PM _unreal_: ?
08:39 PM fluffywolf: I'm not giving elon musk my money.
08:39 PM Tom_L: not directly anyway
08:41 PM Tom_L: AT&T has been trying to sell me fiber but i'm going with a small startup company
08:41 PM Tom_L: the city offered to put in the trunk lines at their cost
08:41 PM fluffywolf: cable is now an option here... I need to do some tree work where they'd string it.
08:42 PM Tom_L: free install and 2 months free
08:42 PM Tom_L: no contracts
08:43 PM fluffywolf: the cable company is particularly terrible, but not more terrible than t-mobile.
08:43 PM fluffywolf: I'm hoping the fiber people decide to install in this area...
08:43 PM xxcoder: I just use cell phone connection for internet
08:43 PM Tom_L: it's bound to happen eventually
08:45 PM Tom_L: well, i'm gonna go assplant. kinda wore down after this procedure and listening to roofers all day
08:46 PM xxcoder: stop! its hammer time!
08:46 PM Tom_L: at least they're done
08:46 PM xxcoder: nice. rain is averted for now
08:48 PM roycroft: it's rained quite a bit here today, and the rain was not supposed to arrive until tomorrow
08:49 PM roycroft: i made a bunch of templates today in the shop, though, so the rain did not matter
08:49 PM roycroft: and i'm going to label them all with my laser engraver this evening
08:49 PM roycroft: i just upgraded lightburn to version 2.0.x
08:49 PM roycroft: and found out they stopped supporting linux wiht 2.0 :(
08:50 PM fluffywolf: I worked all day in the rain.
08:51 PM xxcoder: roy wha that sucks
08:51 PM xxcoder: dont lightburn have rpi distro
08:51 PM xxcoder: I recall setting lightburn server on my rpi4
09:04 PM roycroft: yeah, and i have a linux laptop that i had been using for lightburn
09:04 PM roycroft: i guess now i'll have to lug my macbook pro out to the studio when i need to talk to the laser
09:05 PM _unreal_: UGH
09:05 PM _unreal_: trying to figure out how to extend the display timeout beyond 15min
09:05 PM _unreal_: ubuntu 25
09:06 PM roycroft: i even have an old imac out in the studio that is too old to run a useful macos
09:06 PM roycroft: i installed cinnamon mint on it and was going to put lightburn on it
09:06 PM _unreal_: roy I need to get a new copy of lightburn
09:07 PM _unreal_: the copy I own is only supported by win :(
09:07 PM _unreal_: sigh
09:08 PM _unreal_: I'm toying with using this https://photos.app.goo.gl/GvprVxFfbKAWY7VR7
09:08 PM _unreal_: it has an RPI3 B in it
09:08 PM _unreal_: but the screen is not that big
09:08 PM _unreal_: :/
09:08 PM _unreal_: but it is touch