#linuxcnc Logs
Oct 05 2025
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:53 AM Deejay: moin
03:25 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> moin
03:30 AM lcnc-relay: <sodakaustik@> Mornin!
03:35 AM lcnc-relay: <sodakaustik@> What kind of hardware should i look for in a mini pc? Is single thread cpu performance the deciding factor? I want a reliable 1khz thread period
03:45 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> raspberry
03:51 AM Tom_L: rpi5
03:54 AM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:443/~webpage/cnc/Rpi5/Rpi5_nvme_histogram3.png
03:54 AM Tom_L: several hour run Rpi5 with a nvme ssd
03:57 AM Tom_L: the RPI4 works but with much worse latency
03:58 AM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:443/~webpage/cnc/Rpi4/Rpi4_histogram294..png
03:58 AM Tom_L: morning
04:05 AM lcnc-relay: <sodakaustik@> wow this is impressive
04:19 AM Tom_L: i've tested with spi & ethernet mesa boards
04:20 AM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:443/~webpage/cnc/Rpi5/pics/RPI5_spi_cable4.jpg
04:22 AM Tom_L: SD - nvme comparison https://forum.linuxcnc.org/18-computer/46077-potential-all-in-one-single-board-computers?start=140#335818
04:22 AM Tom_L: isolcpu 1,2,3 seems a little better
04:25 AM Tom_L: also the Jan 2025 eeprom firmware seems a little better than the very latest
04:26 AM Tom_L: i reverted to that for the overnite test
04:30 AM Tom_L: https://github.com/raspberrypi/rpi-eeprom/releases
04:31 AM Tom_L: for eeprom files
04:34 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
04:47 AM Tom_itx: https://www.cytron.io/tutorial/raspberry-pi-imager-updating-bootloader
04:47 AM Tom_L: very easy to do but i selected 'custom' for the image file
04:47 AM Tom_L: the point to that link is the screen will be green for success and red for fail
05:40 AM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Just bought a job lot including 5 beckhoff ethercat controllers, loads of other ethercat stuff, full festo manifolds, gonna have to start selling some stuff soon
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06:10 AM lcnc-relay: <sodakaustik@> where are you located@lucid.nonsense
06:10 AM lcnc-relay: <sodakaustik@> lucid.nonsense@
06:10 AM lcnc-relay: <sodakaustik@> where are you located
06:10 AM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> UK
06:14 AM lcnc-relay: <sodakaustik@> dang it im in eu
06:17 AM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Whereabouts?
06:33 AM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> I do find myself in the EU fairly frequently
07:37 AM * rdtsc is upgrading to a high-efficiency water heater... got my hands full today
07:43 AM lcnc-relay: <allaboutjake@> Really tempted to ditch this i7 and just go Pi 5. But I’m pretty sure 50 on the latency will be fine for my Mesa setup. Very tempting though
07:51 AM rdtsc: If you have another linux machine on the network, can SSH -X from that to the Rpi5 (with X11 forwarding enabled) and have the GUIs appear on your remote machine... not recommended for LinuxCNC of course
07:52 AM Tom_L: final test run: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:443/~webpage/cnc/Rpi5/Rpi5_nvme_histogram4.png
07:53 AM JT-Cave: that's pretty amazing
07:54 AM Tom_L: ran overnite
07:54 AM JT-Cave: I've never seen one that low
07:54 AM * JT-Cave starts his chicken day
08:25 AM JT-Shop: if the humidity was lower I'd open all the doors
08:58 AM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> Tom_L: wow, maybe i'll go this route, instead of a mini pc. Is the setup difficult? Is there basically a "recipe" I can follow?
09:04 AM Tom_L: very simple
09:05 AM Tom_L: i got the nvme over the SD more for write cycles than speed
09:07 AM Tom_L: the nvme hat makes it more difficult to find a case if you want one
09:07 AM Tom_L: i would suggest active cooling
09:12 AM Tom_L: https://www.amazon.com/Raspberry-Pi-Active-Cooler/dp/B0CLXZBR5P
09:13 AM Tom_L: or similar
09:14 AM Tom_L: i do have directions for setting up wifi for the first time. it is different than the 'normal' setup
09:17 AM Tom_L: they don't use /etc/network/interfaces
09:24 AM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> I don't expect I'll use wifi, unless it's required for something to work. My shop is out of range, so I just sneakernet files over on a usb drive to run machines
09:24 AM Tom_L: 8gb ram is more than enough too, you don't need the latest 16gb one
09:24 AM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> cool
09:24 AM Tom_L: easier for updates etc
09:25 AM Tom_L: i use wifi for that and ethernet or spi to mesa
09:25 AM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> any variations of models to watch out for? Which nvme did you use?
09:25 AM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> I know next to nothing about pi's, even though there's a 4 sitting on my desk
09:26 AM Tom_L: it would work but would be marginal
09:26 AM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> I'd rather just spend the $90 and get a 5
09:26 AM Tom_L: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0D2WYFS23
09:26 AM Tom_L: i got that kit
09:27 AM Tom_L: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0F389CXSX
09:27 AM Tom_L: that nvme hat
09:27 AM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> it's going to be an ac servo system, probably with mesa 9i97t and the 7i77 card I already have, unless that stops making sense
09:27 AM Tom_L: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07MNFH1PX
09:27 AM Tom_L: and that usb -> nvme adapter to copy the files from the pc
09:28 AM Tom_L: ethernet?
09:28 AM Tom_L: should be fine
09:29 AM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> Thanks for your help! (I'll probably ask more questions when I'm trying to set it all up)
09:29 AM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:443/~webpage/cnc/Rpi5/rpi5_wifi_steps.txt
09:29 AM Tom_L: wifi setup
09:29 AM Tom_L: don't miss a step!
09:30 AM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> I think today is mostly going to be cleaning and painting mill parts
09:30 AM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> and getting some extras ready for ebay
09:31 AM Tom_L: i think skunkworks has the same basic setup
09:31 AM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> cool, more brains to pick
09:31 AM Tom_L: if you want a case for it, you may find a different nvme hat that has a matching case
09:32 AM Tom_L: i dunno
09:32 AM Tom_L: they're probably all pretty much the same
09:32 AM Tom_L: as far as function
09:32 AM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> feeling like I'm at the point in studying linuxCNC that I need a machine set up with it to just start trying to configure it and make it work. And I'll learn from all the obstacles.
09:32 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
09:33 AM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> have read about 50% of the integrator manual
09:33 AM Tom_L: JT-Cave, does mesact support 7i97t
09:33 AM Tom_L: if so, i'd use mesact to start your config files
09:33 AM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> that seemed like the way to go, yes
09:34 AM Tom_L: https://www.gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/mesact/index.html
09:34 AM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> pretty sure it does support that card, but confirmation would be good
09:34 AM Tom_L: https://github.com/jethornton/mesact
09:34 AM Tom_L: he should know, he wrote it
09:34 AM Tom_L: i just don't recall
09:35 AM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> same, am pretty flooded with info
09:35 AM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> if not, I'll buy a card that IS supported
09:35 AM Tom_L: should be plenty of help here for servo tuning too
09:36 AM Tom_L: mine are steppers
09:38 AM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> I have a couple of stepper machines, but not running lcnc
09:38 AM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> well, one kinda... since it's pathpilot
09:39 AM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> I don't want to mess with that one, though, until I have the big mill up and running
09:39 AM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> paranoid that I'll mess up the software, and not be able to fix it
09:40 AM Tom_L: start with axis gui, then if you want something different do that after things work
09:40 AM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> once I have a plan "B" mill, though, I'd love to see if I can upgrade the spindle to something with an encoder
09:40 AM JT-Shop: so I had to execute a terminal command to make letter the default paper size in debian even though I selected american engilish during th einstlla
09:40 AM Tom_L: makes rigid tapping & spindle speed easier
09:41 AM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> that, and the pcnc440 spindle is ( I think) intentionally underpowered, as a beginner friendly machine
09:41 AM Tom_L: JT-Shop, does mesact support 7i97t
09:41 AM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> JT-Shop: just quietly laughing to myself
09:43 AM rdtsc: he's probably taking care of the chickens... i'll fire up mesact and see
09:43 AM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> tysm
09:43 AM Tom_L: i could have...
09:43 AM rdtsc: 7i97t is indeed listed
09:44 AM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> noice
09:44 AM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> that seemed to be a good choice for ac servos, if I'm reading everything right
09:45 AM JT-Shop: Tom_L, yup
09:45 AM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> thanks, guys
09:46 AM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> trying to ask a few questions before buying the wrong stuff
09:46 AM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> and hoping to be on the most straight forward path I can manage on this first build
10:42 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> Tom_L: what is your current kernel line?
10:44 AM lcnc-relay: <wrickert@> Are the mesa cards still whats recomended for LinuxCNC? I recently got a Milo 1.5 mill and after several days of troubleshooting I think the reason why I got it so cheap is because the controller is damaged. I'm very tempted to jump in with both feet and finally start learning LinuxCNC
10:47 AM fluffywolf: yes, and the developer of the mesa cards is in this channel, too.
11:28 AM Tom_L: skunkworks, all i changed was isolcpus 1,2,3 and idle=poll
11:29 AM Tom_L: i can boot and post it for you
11:30 AM Tom_L: 1,2,3 seems a tiny bit better than just 2,3
11:30 AM Tom_L: i tried a few combinations and noticed the base thread changed more
11:31 AM Tom_L: wrickert, yes
11:36 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
11:36 AM Tom_rpi5: skunkworks, https://paste.debian.net/1399553/
11:38 AM Tom_L: also, i did revert the eeprom image to Jan
11:38 AM Tom_L: that was very easy
11:41 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> thanks!
11:41 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> the nvme to usb worked
11:44 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> it is amazing how well the desktop runs on 1 core
11:44 AM Tom_L: yup
11:48 AM Tom_L: it would be funny to see stuart's cincinatti run on a Rpi5
11:49 AM Tom_L: i wish he'd have left those yt up
11:50 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I could easly switch the matsuura to the pi
11:50 AM Tom_L: yeah
11:51 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I need to figure out why the Z axis FErrors until it warms up.
11:51 AM Tom_L: mine was doing that when it was hot in the shop
11:52 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> this is running the original drives and servos
11:52 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> dad had fixed one of the drives.. It might have been Z.. I don't remember
11:57 AM Tom_L: does Z have any counter balance?
11:58 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> yes
11:58 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> big old over the top chains that connect to a weight
11:59 AM Tom_L: if it were a shock system i'd question those
11:59 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> seeing that it has to warm up - I am leaning towards drives..
12:00 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> but I could figure it out pretty quick if I actually looked at it ;0
12:18 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> But what's going to distract you on tthe way there?
12:19 PM xxcoder: grease needed to warm up?
12:24 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> lucid.nonsense@: lol, that's been my morning. Getting stuff done, but lots of gotta fix C before I can fix B to do the thing on A
12:25 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> most of the way through my list of hotwork, and got the lathe unburied to clean up some parts
12:26 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Absolutely, sometimes
12:27 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> it's justified
12:28 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> I have a tendency tpo go do something and the thing I got distracted by on the way there takes up the next three days
12:28 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> very much this
12:29 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> I think Linuxcnc/maker type people often have this personality type
12:30 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> I've kind of relaxed into it a bit
12:30 PM lcnc-relay: better to take my time and make stuff nice as I go, and fix what's in the way of it being fun if need be
12:31 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Yeah, I really wish I had someone to gently steer me back into finishing what I started though
12:34 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> I had plans for today, instead I went and bought a car full of electronics
12:34 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> _nodnod_
12:35 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> when I go back to work after lunch, I have to detour slightly, and hang some lights up over the lathe. Kinda dark in the new corner it goes in
12:37 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> I 've been looking at this too, obviously it ended up in a massive research expedition in the most cost effective greater than 95 cri leds
12:38 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> I have some low cri led lights and find they give me a headache after a while
12:38 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> lol, I took the easy way, and went to bi-mart. (local discount store) Funny thing was, the cheaper led workshop lights they have are better and brighter than the more expensive ones
12:39 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> so the shop is mostly pretty well lit now, except for a couple of odd corners
12:40 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> yeah due to eye adaptation it's also relative, very bright in your field of view will amplify where it isn't
12:40 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> old eyes, bright light helps a lot
12:40 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> SAme
12:41 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Don't need reading glasses in daylight
12:41 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Which is just photography 101
12:41 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> alright, back to work with me
12:42 PM rdtsc: if you want to get further sidetracked on shop lighting... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Da4hXBju0m4
12:51 PM roycroft: i haven't even thought about my long-term shop lighting
12:51 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> So I went down this rabbit hole before, in 2018, when I bought a reel of dual temperature yujiled strips and got into making arduino nanos doing higher frequency pwm than they should be able to, I think I had the two seperate outputs at 25khz
12:51 PM roycroft: i have a couple banks of 4' fluorescent fixtures with led lamps in them that i've been using for years
12:52 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> It was pretty amazing, no flicker on camera at any shutterspeed
12:52 PM roycroft: with the addition of some task fixtures over things like my joinery bench and table saw
12:52 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> And 97 cri
12:52 PM roycroft: but when i get the new roof on my shop i want something nicer
12:52 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Very expensive though
12:52 PM roycroft: i'll almost certainly install the old fixtures temporarily, until i figure out what i want
12:53 PM * roycroft is heading out presently to start the layout on the first set of timbers, and to then start on the joinery work
12:53 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> I designed a task light for them and then ended up moving so the project is in a box, sorta getting back to it now, but it won't light the entire workshop
12:54 PM roycroft: i may install can lights in the shop
12:54 PM roycroft: if i can figure out an elegant way to do that
12:54 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> But definitely would recommend rolling your own pwm, I think living with 50/60 hz lighting isn't good for wellbeing
12:54 PM roycroft: and if i can find some with a good spread
12:55 PM roycroft: some smart rgbww lamps would be nice - i could set the color temperature to whatever i want
12:55 PM roycroft: and turn them into party lights, as the need requires :)
12:55 PM roycroft: being able to set the white color temperature would be a big deal
12:55 PM lcnc-relay: <connor_9220@> There is a meetup today? I can't login?
12:56 PM roycroft: i normally work at 6500k, but if i'm putting finish on something that will live indoors in a bedroom or living room, being able to set the temperature to 3200k is really helpful when formulating the color
01:22 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> connor_9220@: Seems you have to get a pin by calling a number https://jitsi.debian.social/LetUsImproveTheWorldWithLinuxCNC
01:23 PM lcnc-relay: <connor_9220@> I got in.
01:23 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Cool
01:23 PM lcnc-relay: <connor_9220@> Just had to wait for moderator to join.
01:24 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Is it possible to sit in as a spectator, deffo have nothing to offer
01:24 PM lcnc-relay: <connor_9220@> I think so.
02:23 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> getting warm in the shop, and my back is telling me it's time to do something else
02:23 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> got the rear diff on the tractor project together, more lights hung, and cleaned up a bunch of mill parts. Time to design and print a holder block for the new tiny allen driver set
02:58 PM BorgPipe is now known as NetPipe
03:00 PM t4nk_fn: euh
03:00 PM t4nk_fn: lesliet... are you making that tractor-chair after all>? ;)
03:22 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> sure! It'll just end up with a driveable tractor under it
03:22 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> :p
03:22 PM JT-Shop: what kind of tractor?
03:23 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> the one in the shop is a 41 9N
03:24 PM JT-Shop: nice
03:24 PM JT-Shop: I have a 56 Ferguson F40
03:24 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> the one outside is a 55 Fordson Major Diesel
03:24 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> JT-Shop: also nice, I like Fergies
03:24 PM JT-Shop: when did Ford quit making tractors?
03:25 PM JT-Shop: around here the farmers would paint them massey red lol
03:25 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> I think New Holland bought that line?
03:25 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> JT-Shop: I'm doing my 9n in black and red, don't really like the original grey
03:26 PM JT-Shop: back then you had your choice of grey or grey
03:26 PM JT-Shop: the Ferguson F40 was a nice color
03:27 PM JT-Shop: https://www.greentractortalk.com/threads/new-1956-ferguson-f-40.176380/
03:27 PM JT-Shop: that's not mine
03:27 PM JT-Shop: mine still needs a paint job
03:28 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> Those are pretty sweet colors
03:28 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> doing the new mill in similar, with almond being the main color
03:28 PM JT-Shop: the engine has about 50 hours on it since a complete rebuild
03:28 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> and black
03:29 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> JT, is there a good place to reach you outside of chat?
03:29 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> the engine on mine runs, not going to get into it this go-round. But the steering had about 10' of slop, and the rear end was noisy, so I worked on that end of it. Need it out of the shop, for now, preferably under its own power.
03:30 PM JT-Shop: chat is best because I can read back
03:31 PM fluffywolf: https://youtu.be/iVi3ddluk2g?t=789 I hate when that happens.
03:32 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Ok, we were just discussing in the meeting what we can do about securing the forum and database and having multiple backups, maybe should just install an irc client
03:33 PM JT-Shop: backups of the droplet are created automatically
03:34 PM JT-Shop: I'm working on making a new droplet with a current OS
03:34 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Good
03:34 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> What's the best cross platform irc client atm?
03:35 PM JT-Shop: hexchat is what I use in linux
03:35 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Thanks
03:35 PM xxcoder: hexchat is the best client yeah.
03:35 PM JT-Shop: I won't be on here long my daughter is visiting from Texas
03:36 PM xxcoder: so many irc clients add all kind of crap
03:36 PM xxcoder: hexchat doesnt
03:36 PM fluffywolf: bitchx!
03:36 PM xxcoder: yeah not using term irc client :)
03:38 PM fluffywolf: it's a case of "I'm old and I've used it for longer than most people have been alive"...
03:39 PM xxcoder: I first used xchat
03:39 PM xxcoder: it got bit too old, so there was hexchat fork and I used it since
03:39 PM xxcoder: dev for hexchat retired tho so evenually... dunno
03:40 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> I don't remember what I used when I was on IRC a lot
03:40 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> probably xchat
03:42 PM xxcoder: mirc was other common one. I hated it the moment I tried it though lol
03:43 PM xxcoder: welcome to other side of bridge lol
03:43 PM MoreNonsense: Back to the the fture
03:44 PM lcnc-relay: <roguish> hexchat is still good, linux or windows
03:45 PM xxcoder: I just hope whatever new fork of it will follow simple is better for hexchat. not turn it into crappy mirc
03:45 PM MoreNonsense: mirc was what we used in my young days
03:45 PM roycroft: *sigh*
03:45 PM MoreNonsense: and got up to mircy things
03:45 PM roycroft: i just heard a screeching noise and then the breaker to my air compressor popped
03:46 PM roycroft: i investigated, and the motor (which i replaced last year) is making the noise
03:46 PM roycroft: hopefully it's just bearings and i can fix it
03:46 PM roycroft: i'll have to use a portable compressor for now, though
03:46 PM fluffywolf: I have too many air compressors. you can have one if you want to pick it up. lol
03:47 PM roycroft: i just need a motor
03:47 PM roycroft: the compressor itself is great
03:48 PM roycroft: and actually i bought it in may
03:48 PM roycroft: and it has a 1 year manufacturer's warranty
03:48 PM roycroft: the manufacturer is likely in china, though, so a warranty repair would likely mean an expensive shipment to china and a wait of six months
03:50 PM fluffywolf: the last compressor I picked up has an oil pressure gauge on it, which is always a good sign... I still haven't hooked it up. lol. but I did hear it run before I un-wired it from the seller's shed.
03:50 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> wonder if they'll tack tariffs onto warranty repairs if they get shipped to and from China?
03:50 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> mine's an ancient 5 gallon one, running on 240
03:50 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> I like it, cause it's quiet
03:51 PM roycroft: i just emailed the seller asking how to obtain warranty service
03:51 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> be nice if they just send you a motor
03:51 PM roycroft: if it's just bearings i'll replace them myself, probably with timkin or some other reputable brand
03:52 PM fluffywolf: don't get national. last national bearings I got were unacceptable.
03:52 PM roycroft: the seller already does not like me, because they sent me a motor with the wrong frame size, and ended up giving me a $75 refund
03:52 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> not a huge fan of National in recent times
03:52 PM roycroft: they initally wanted me to return it at my expense, and i refused
03:52 PM roycroft: i told them i'd just get ebay to send me a shipping label and charge the seller
03:53 PM roycroft: "national" sounds good
03:53 PM roycroft: but what nation does it refer to?
03:53 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> China, now'
03:53 PM fluffywolf: paid a premium price for them, got bearings worse than most of the cheap chinese crap I've seen.
03:53 PM roycroft: like buying "pittsburg" power tools
03:53 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> but they're the low grade Chinesium, not the good stuff
03:53 PM fluffywolf: made in china too, of course.
03:53 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> yeap
03:54 PM roycroft: but that's "pittsburg, middle of nowhere, china", not "pittsburg pennsylvania"
03:54 PM roycroft: i hope it's just the bearings
03:54 PM fluffywolf: I've never seen a bearing with more slop. they're worse than bearings I'd remove and replace.
03:55 PM fluffywolf: I should get a dti out and actually measure. I'm guessing about 5 thous axial play, from a deep groove ball bearing.
03:55 PM roycroft: i'll get bearings made in the usa, german, or japan
03:55 PM roycroft: but nowhere else
03:55 PM roycroft: germany, rather
03:55 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> I like Japan bearings
03:55 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> hard to find US ones, that aren't farmed out to China
03:55 PM roycroft: i said "made", not "branded from" :)
03:56 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> mmhm
03:56 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> love watching this printer in speed mode
03:56 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> it's cooking along pretty good
03:57 PM MoreNonsense: A lot of chinese products on amazon branded with German sounding names to give an air of quality
03:58 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> some of their product names actively dissuade me just based on the name, lol
03:58 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> "fuku"
03:58 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> um
03:58 PM fluffywolf: what is with all the LIFEGERDASQUUX brands on amazon, anyway? you know, mashing the keyboard with capslock on, maybe with a few words or word parts thrown in? heh
03:58 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> yes, that
03:58 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> but some are actually insulting, if you look at it right
03:58 PM fluffywolf: I got a SNEERBABY product a few months ago... lol
03:58 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> exactly
03:58 PM MoreNonsense: Yeah well kuka robots sound pretty rude in norwegian
03:59 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> lol
03:59 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> tryna eat here, you almost got xp
04:00 PM roycroft: i'm done with the prep of the first timbers - now it's time to make some router jigs and then start on the actual layout and joinery work
04:01 PM roycroft: i'm hoping to do some cutting today, but that may be a bit ambitious
04:01 PM roycroft: i should be able to be completely ready to start doing cuts by the end of the day, though
04:01 PM * roycroft does not like that the day ends at 7pm now, and ends earlier every day
04:02 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> worked well after dark last night, just playing with speed control stuff for a bridgeport 2j
04:03 PM roycroft: i'll work in the shop after dark, but i don't like working outside after dark, even with lights
04:03 PM roycroft: it seems rude to the neighbors
04:03 PM roycroft: which may be silly, but that's how i feel about it
04:03 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> getting to where I have a pretty good system for derusting and then protecting steel parts, and degunking anything metal that fits in a 5 gallon pail
04:04 PM roycroft: i'll work after dark if i absolutely have to
04:04 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> roycroft: wish more people were that considerate
04:04 PM roycroft: up until 9pm
04:04 PM roycroft: under no circumstances will i do any outdoor work after 9pm that requires lights or makes any noise
04:05 PM roycroft: unless it's an emergency like a burst water pipe or something
04:05 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> my neighbors are a bit farther away, but I'm generally in bed by then
04:05 PM roycroft: ok, i have my drawings gathered up and put in a notebook
04:05 PM roycroft: time to head back out to the shop
04:06 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> think I might have a second wind, too. Gonna go see if one of the new tiny allen drivers fits the tiny setscrew on this encoder
04:13 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> lol - dad had bought a ton of old equipment from a local tech school.. (kinda wish we kept some of it - there was mainframe stuff.. but - copiers, line printers, calculators, random stuff. I remember scrounging for allen wrenches that fit the small crap..
04:13 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> (this was in the 80's)
04:14 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I remember there being drum style storage devices - I think my uncle to them
04:15 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> (like the size of a filing cabinate or bigger
04:17 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> connor_9220@: Narrator: "No it wasn't"
04:43 PM Unterhaus_ is now known as Unterhausen
04:50 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> so spoiled by amazon
04:50 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> "don't have the right tool?" just order one, it'll be here tomorrow
05:02 PM RoscoColtrane is now known as KennyLog-in
05:11 PM Tom_L: well i did accomplish _something_ today. added some probe routines to my mill pc axis screen and tested em
05:15 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:443/~webpage/cnc/JT-SHOP/flexgui/axis_probe_test2.png
05:21 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> useful stuff
05:22 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> I use those routines a lot on path pilot, hopefully I can figure out how to add them for lcnc
05:23 PM Tom_L: check the flexgui example i did
05:23 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:443/~webpage/cnc/JT-SHOP/flexgui/touch-probe3-2.png
05:24 PM _unreal_: the living room is "semi" USABLE finally
05:24 PM Tom_L: full of cnc machines??
05:24 PM _unreal_: ve7it, did you ever see my post
05:25 PM _unreal_: Tom_L, no amazingly
05:25 PM _unreal_: about 18 err 14-18 file boxes filled with dvd/blueray
05:25 PM _unreal_: and sound systems
05:25 PM _unreal_: spent all day testing sound systems just tossed 5
05:26 PM _unreal_: just tossed a box with like 14 multi color toner new cartriges. I dont have the laser printer and DONT feel like selling them along with a lot of stuff. I'm just trashing
05:27 PM _unreal_: I wish I had the exact specs on the BLDC motors I have
05:27 PM _unreal_: I've picked out 3 that I want to use on the mill
05:28 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> what kind of mill are you doing?
05:28 PM _unreal_: little machine shop end mill
05:28 PM _unreal_: and like lathe
05:28 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> cool, I like their site
05:28 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> have bought a couple of small tools from them
05:29 PM _unreal_: I got about $20k in hardware from a yardsale for about $900 few years ago. the guy lived just a few houses down the road from me and I knew about it and was first there because of. I purchased everything
05:29 PM _unreal_: guy was a service manager and design engineer for bellsouth for 50 years
05:30 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> you got a pile of bldc's, right?
05:30 PM _unreal_: he even gave me a bunch of hardware before he got sick (old age)
05:30 PM _unreal_: that too but thats from work
05:30 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> _nodnod_
05:31 PM _unreal_: the BLDC's are 50 oz/in - 22 OZ/IN so far as I know
05:31 PM ve7it: _unreal_, glad you are back into cnc building... your builds are always interesting... I love using recycled stuff
05:31 PM _unreal_: some with brakes, some with built in encoders some with both. some larger and smaller
05:31 PM _unreal_: ve7it, so the lathe I'm planning to go with the ve7it brushed drive
05:32 PM _unreal_: system. I'll need a hand trouble shooting it when I get to it
05:32 PM _unreal_: I dont know if I messed any hardware up or not. at least I socketed everything that was important
05:33 PM andypugh_ is now known as andypugh
05:33 PM _unreal_: the main issue is I dont know if I have a build error giving bad power or feed back. or had a badly placed wire
05:33 PM _unreal_: been a few years since I was working on that project. and besides the CNC machine that I was going to put that onto is now working with a whole new drive system. I'm not about to undo that
05:33 PM ve7it: _unreal_, that will tax by brain cells! The project is pretty simple and has pretty good debug capability through the serial port
05:33 PM _unreal_: right
05:34 PM _unreal_: like I said the first thing is to solve the major source of error(s)
05:35 PM _unreal_: ether the drives are fine and its just got a feed back issue f'ing things up. OR something was really bad and I've damaged the uC's
05:38 PM _unreal_: has anyone cnc'ed a little machine shop end mill?
05:38 PM ve7it: yah, there is a possibility of bad things happening if the motor voltages get mixed up with the logic supplies. you should be able to bring the boards most of the way up without the motor supply connected.
05:38 PM _unreal_: ve7it, My thoughts are at some point in time when I get more space cleared so I can "work bench" finally
05:39 PM _unreal_: to hit it from PSU to logic to controller with your help if able
05:40 PM _unreal_: could even be a simple over sight of something that is just causing chaotic behavior
05:40 PM _unreal_: ve7it, My goal will to be Lcnc
05:40 PM _unreal_: lcnc'ing both endmill and lathe because they are side by side.
05:41 PM _unreal_: I'll be going with mirror image computer setups aside from endmill/lathe settings
05:41 PM _unreal_: orange pi 5 16gb
05:41 PM _unreal_: lcnc, 7i96's
05:42 PM Tom_L: _unreal_, did you see the results from the rpi5?
05:42 PM _unreal_: and again the end mill will be using BLDC's though I'm using contorllers other then the one's I sent you
05:42 PM _unreal_: no
05:42 PM _unreal_: ?
05:42 PM _unreal_: rpi5 is more powerful then rpi5
05:42 PM _unreal_: opy5
05:42 PM Tom_L: let it run overnite http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:443/~webpage/cnc/Rpi5/Rpi5_nvme_histogram4.png
05:44 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Think you may have your terminology a bit mixed up, milling machine uses endmill tools to cut
05:44 PM _unreal_: Tom_L, I had gotten the tinkerboard setup with lcnc some time ago and had amazing AMAZING results. problem was the SHIT power/reboot problem
05:44 PM _unreal_: reboot cycle
05:44 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> So milling machine and lathe
05:45 PM _unreal_: lucid what are you talking about
05:45 PM Tom_L: pretty hard to beat that latency
05:45 PM _unreal_: _unreal_> lcnc'ing both endmill and lathe because they are side by side.
05:46 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> So lathe is a machine
05:46 PM _unreal_: lucid I have two 2 different machines side by side
05:46 PM _unreal_: endmill and lathe
05:46 PM Tom_L: he's being picky
05:46 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> And milling machine is a machine that uses end mills
05:46 PM Tom_L: the endmill is a tool the milling machine is a machine
05:47 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> my dad was always picky about drills, and drill motors. He said drill bits are what you have when a drill breaks.
05:47 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> engineer
05:47 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Not trying the be an asshole, justthink you might strugga bit if you use it for search terms
05:47 PM Tom_L: ahh one of those ... :)
05:47 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> Unreal, did you get the Hytorque machines?
05:48 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Struggle
05:48 PM _unreal_: lesliet you know I dont know for sure they are all modifyed
05:48 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> ok
05:48 PM _unreal_: the lathe was extended with the extended hardware
05:48 PM _unreal_: just lots of mods
05:48 PM _unreal_: I dont think he modified the mill too much
05:48 PM _unreal_: mainly the lathe
05:49 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> I gotta get some pics when I have this set of parts cleaned up, but I'm glad I stripped the speed change control down on the R2E4, it had a broken worm gear
05:50 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> not sure I really need the variable belt drive under cnc control, I'll control spindle speed with a vfd.
05:50 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> but I have a good plan, I think, for modding the speed control so it's manual
05:51 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> the belt drive part
05:51 PM _unreal_: 44991 mill my machine looks like this minus the DRO in the upper left as pictured https://www.hobby-machinist.com/data/attachments/181/181876-5805707a76253532f62f795dfefb069c.jpg?hash=WAVwenYlNT
05:51 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> may not make a lot of sense without pics, but the head is very similar to a bridgeport
05:51 PM _unreal_: I have the POWER feed that is pictured
05:51 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> 2j
05:51 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> ah, cool
05:52 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> (I meant mine is like a 2j, not yours)
05:52 PM _unreal_: https://www.hobby-machinist.com/threads/harbour-freight-44991-mill-drill.54829/
05:53 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Probably a good idea to use same setups for both machines if you can, make it easier
05:55 PM _unreal_: https://www.hobby-machinist.com/data/attachments/181/181876-5805707a76253532f62f795dfefb069c.jpg?hash=WAVwenYlNT
05:55 PM _unreal_: lucid thats what I said. I plan to make then identical aside from being a mill and lathe
05:55 PM _unreal_: opy5's 16gb ram, 7i96
05:56 PM _unreal_: one will be driven by brushed servos, the other by BLDC servos
05:56 PM _unreal_: That is a personal choice btw
05:56 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Yes, agreeing it's a good idea
05:56 PM _unreal_: I could just stepper everything
05:56 PM _unreal_: but I dont plan to
05:56 PM _unreal_: I am looking for idea's on display/HID setup
05:57 PM _unreal_: I've got a rack system pull out display with keyboard/touch pad
05:57 PM _unreal_: and multi input
05:57 PM _unreal_: I like the idea but not when controlling two machines
05:57 PM _unreal_: I'd rather have two different controllers
05:57 PM _unreal_: but I'm cramped for space :?
05:57 PM _unreal_: single wide garage. HATE IT
05:58 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> _unreal_: https://www.picclickimg.com/images/g/0JoAAOSwhHJa91EZ/s-l1600.jpg
05:58 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> pretty close to mine
05:58 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> I think this one is a boss 8, mine's a 9
05:58 PM _unreal_: does yours have a knee setup or just Z
05:59 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> I suppose you could have a dual boot system if you weren't using both machines at the same time
05:59 PM _unreal_: not doing that
05:59 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> _unreal_: it has both, but the knee was not originally computer controlled. I may add that to control at some point, but I need to get the basic 3 axis setup going, first
05:59 PM _unreal_: I will have one machine for each machie
05:59 PM _unreal_: machine
05:59 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Though you would have to swap the physical connections each time
05:59 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Ok
06:00 PM _unreal_: lucid no plans to do that, I'm only looking at KVM swich setup if anything
06:00 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> So like a kvm type rhing
06:00 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Right
06:00 PM _unreal_: as I said I've got a multi in rack server monitor that is a 1u that is a monitor keyboard and touch pad and has 5 vga inputs
06:01 PM _unreal_: I just dont like the idea of running two mahcines at the same time on a KVM setup
06:01 PM _unreal_: sure they will each have there own estops and everything
06:01 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Gotcha, yeah could hellbe sorta risky
06:01 PM _unreal_: ...... then again if I have a high end pendent on each machine
06:02 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Sorry weird autocorrect
06:02 PM lcnc-relay: <ccatlett1984@> just use an IP KVM
06:02 PM _unreal_: ?
06:02 PM _unreal_: O,o IP kvm ahhhh no
06:02 PM _unreal_: no... no no ooooo noo
06:02 PM lcnc-relay: <ccatlett1984@> for just monitoring, why not?
06:03 PM _unreal_: thats screaming KILL my frequency latency
06:03 PM _unreal_: you are kidding right?
06:03 PM _unreal_: right???????
06:03 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Not so sure
06:03 PM lcnc-relay: <ccatlett1984@> how is a hardware box going to affect your latency?
06:03 PM _unreal_: opi5
06:04 PM lcnc-relay: <ccatlett1984@> https://wiki.sipeed.com/hardware/en/kvm/NanoKVM/introduction.html
06:04 PM _unreal_: has one ether net, an IP kvm would require an other ethernet network setup
06:04 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> and your mesa card needs one ethernet, right?
06:04 PM _unreal_: ther is only one ethernet on the py's
06:05 PM _unreal_: in general
06:05 PM lcnc-relay: <ccatlett1984@> an IP KVM, doesn't connect to the computer you are monitoring via ethernet
06:05 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> To some extent with the right setup it might even improve latency, offload some of the task
06:05 PM _unreal_: ccat I have a multi in KVM display
06:05 PM _unreal_: I dont need that
06:05 PM _unreal_: I have two infact
06:06 PM lcnc-relay: <ccatlett1984@> IP KVM gives you the ability to run them both in "windows" and watch them both at the same time
06:06 PM lcnc-relay: <ccatlett1984@> most multi-in kvm's don't do that
06:07 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> that's cool
06:07 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> very tiny, too
06:07 PM _unreal_: I have 2 of these https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/677884-REG/Iogear_GCL1808_17_LCD_Combo_Console.html/?ap=y&ap=y&smp=y&smp=y&store=420&smpm=ba_f2_lar&lsft=BI%3A6879&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=21407301279&gbraid=0AAAAAD7yMh1CSf5mxvzV1lqm0lGaks4u7&gclid=Cj0KCQjwrojHBhDdARIsAJdEJ_ebsEoCNRjnMIlpVkza_9IkaS9xXldPSbqQwvexGGn6DeMMjBr4EJIaApBvEALw_wcB
06:08 PM _unreal_: I'm only looking at the py's because I need to make my food print as small as I can
06:09 PM _unreal_: food=foot
06:09 PM lcnc-relay: <ccatlett1984@> I know the feeling, i have a pi5 shoved into the back of my little desktop mill
06:11 PM _unreal_: ccatlett1984 https://forum.armbian.com/topic/25673-orange-pi-5-opi5-micro-desktop-case-design/
06:11 PM _unreal_: I designed that
06:12 PM _unreal_: when I was activly designing that I had ??? like 10k people following me and printing my every update
06:12 PM _unreal_: my dads end stage and passing really f'ed me up now I'm getting back to reality
06:12 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> As long as you have an absolute physical emergency stop button, a remote interface might work fine
06:12 PM _unreal_: messed me up as in with intent
06:13 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> That sucks, sorry to hear that
06:14 PM _unreal_: I have WMPG-6
06:14 PM _unreal_: I'
06:15 PM _unreal_: I'm thinking if I get an other one and get it fully setup on lcnc
06:15 PM _unreal_: that would take away my :S feeling
06:15 PM _unreal_: besides switching between displays is just a single button
06:16 PM Unterhausen: Mr. Rod Webster charging $2 for his install guide
06:16 PM _unreal_: ?
06:17 PM _unreal_: Unterhausen, install guide to what?
06:17 PM Unterhausen: lcnc on trixie
06:17 PM _unreal_: what is trixie
06:17 PM _unreal_: google did NOT give me a result I was expecting
06:18 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Yeah should work, I think it's important to have an absolute emergency stop physically cutting power though
06:19 PM _unreal_: lucid agreed on bigger machines small desktop :/ eehhhhhh
06:19 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Yeah, up to you
06:20 PM _unreal_: so again what is trixie?
06:20 PM _unreal_: all I'm getting is a cross dresser on google
06:20 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Version of Debian
06:21 PM _unreal_: wow even with lcnc I never got a positive result till typing debian
06:22 PM _unreal_: wtf google f'ing trans promoting much
06:22 PM rmu: maybe try searching logged out?
06:22 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Tofl
06:23 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Rofl
06:23 PM _unreal_: rmu not a bad idea
06:23 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Right, I'm going to bed, night, good peeps
06:27 PM xxcoder: interesting design from brian oltrooge
06:28 PM xxcoder: he so rarely release a video, that its been around 2 years
06:31 PM Unterhausen: weirdly, when I search for debian trixie, it gives me only results about debian trixie
06:31 PM xxcoder: trixie is apparently famous drag queen
06:31 PM xxcoder: which is very not trans
06:31 PM xxcoder: so I dont know where "trans" is from
06:32 PM Unterhausen: I do, but we probably shouldn't go into it on this channel
06:32 PM xxcoder: I will not go any go on
06:34 PM Tom_L: trixie is debian 13
06:35 PM _unreal_: I'm also looking at purchasing this https://www.vevor.com/marking-machine-c_10477/vevor-fiber-laser-marking-machine-100w-color-marking-engraver-with-rotary-axis-p_010927712083?adp=gmc&srsltid=AfmBOopxTd6Dv_F8hiRege9vNLBzZnls7f2J4tiX9E7fGFdITdtXKsIkdhA
06:35 PM xxcoder: interesting but wow price is out there
06:36 PM xxcoder: green goggles is almost for sure not going to be within laser freq range
06:36 PM _unreal_: ?out there
06:36 PM Unterhausen: I always disliked code names for distro versions. It seems exclusionary
06:36 PM _unreal_: the other one's I was looking at are like $7k
06:37 PM _unreal_: xxcoder, I need a fiberlaser bad
06:37 PM Unterhausen: are bits so expensive nowadays they can't add a version number after the nickname?
06:37 PM _unreal_: I'm loosing so much money potential its discussting
06:37 PM xxcoder: I have goldfish memory so I can never remember what deb version the nickname is
06:38 PM xxcoder: what color is laser anyway? I guess its UV
06:38 PM Unterhausen: $2 for an install guide reminds me of the old days when you had to send a self addressed stamped envelope for such things
06:38 PM _unreal_: xxcoder, I could cover the cost of purchase with in 5-10 jobs
06:38 PM Unterhausen: nobody even knows what sase stands for nowadays
06:39 PM xxcoder: I suppose its worth it if its like that, and you also need good warranty+support
06:39 PM _unreal_: xxcoder, its fiber or IRDA
06:39 PM xxcoder: hobby and businss have very different viewpoints on budget
06:39 PM xxcoder: one thing remains, no enclosure
06:40 PM _unreal_: xxcoder, I have an entire market of luxury yacht techs looking for custom stainless labled plates, to other things like marble
06:41 PM roycroft: yay
06:41 PM _unreal_: hell I just made $150 last week for burning luxy on two cutting boards
06:41 PM roycroft: i think i've figured out a really simple new workflow for generating files for my shaper origin
06:41 PM _unreal_: lucy
06:41 PM _unreal_: not luxy
06:41 PM roycroft: it's just two steps
06:41 PM roycroft: draw in autocad and export to autocad 2000 dxf
06:41 PM roycroft: open the dxf file with affinity designer
06:41 PM roycroft: export to svg with my shaper origin presets
06:42 PM roycroft: i've tried acad -> affinity designer before and it never worked
06:42 PM roycroft: but saving as an old dxf version was the trick
06:42 PM xxcoder: nice!
06:43 PM roycroft: yeah, i can do stuff in seconds now that used to take me several minutes
06:43 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> outstanding
06:43 PM roycroft: i brought the origin in the house to do the testing
06:43 PM roycroft: and that's also a good thing
06:43 PM Tom_L: roycroft, i use my old iges translator alot more than the new one for similar reasons
06:43 PM roycroft: it's been trying to update its software for months
06:43 PM _unreal_: roycroft, why not use estl-CAM
06:44 PM _unreal_: ?
06:44 PM roycroft: but it was always failing out in the shop, probably due to weak wifi signal
06:44 PM roycroft: now it's upgraded
06:44 PM roycroft: i don't have estl-cam
06:44 PM roycroft: i have autocad and affinity designer
06:45 PM roycroft: i had been using solidworks instead of autocad, and had a pretty convoluted workflow to get from sldprt to svg
06:45 PM _unreal_: affinity designer is more or less inkscape
06:45 PM _unreal_: a graphics program not a CAD for milling program
06:45 PM roycroft: i think it's a lot more than inkscape
06:45 PM _unreal_: I am not saying it isnt
06:45 PM roycroft: i don't intend to use it on a cnc mill
06:45 PM roycroft: or even a cnc router
06:46 PM roycroft: but the shaper origin only uses svg
06:46 PM roycroft: and it's fairly particular about the svg files
06:46 PM roycroft: i have solidcam if i need to generate gcode from 3d models
06:46 PM roycroft: and i have vectric cut2d for cnc router work
06:47 PM roycroft: which i'll upgrade as needed
06:47 PM roycroft: right now i need to make several templates, and making them manually is both tedious and prone to error
06:47 PM roycroft: i decided it would probably be easier to make them with the shaper origin
06:48 PM roycroft: which is actually the main reason i bought it - to make templates
06:49 PM roycroft: and this streamlined workflow makes it trivial, so i'll use it a lot more
06:59 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> how do you like the shaper origin, has it been good?
07:00 PM xxcoder: if I recall right roy was hit with one design flaw, but otherwise it was good
07:01 PM xxcoder: some sensors on bottom
07:04 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> https://youtu.be/RXJKdh1KZ0w?si=s9NWFCr8YsifIqY-
07:04 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> Classic
07:06 PM Tom_L: lots of big words
07:07 PM lcnc-relay: <ccatlett1984@> xxcoder, green lenses are normal for 1064nm lasers
07:07 PM lcnc-relay: <ccatlett1984@> the key is you want OD7 rating
07:07 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> are there NA encabulators?
07:08 PM roycroft: it's been doing what i wanted it to do, lesliet@
07:08 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> they look pretty cool in woodworking videos
07:08 PM xxcoder: ccat ahh ok. green ones is very common for cheapo lasers which is nearly always wrong
07:08 PM roycroft: and yes, the gen1 origin has some issues with the z-touch function
07:08 PM xxcoder: green do diddy crap to blue laser
07:09 PM roycroft: lesliet@: some folks expect too much of the origin and they are sad
07:09 PM lcnc-relay: <ccatlett1984@> my 1064nm glasses also cover 400-480nm (UV) lasers
07:09 PM roycroft: others are fanbois and do things with it that are a lot easier to do with other methods, but they are generally happy, because, being a fanboi, it's more about playing with the tool than getting something done
07:09 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> roycroft: you mean I can't just set it next to the wood, and turn it on, while I read a book?
07:09 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> /jk
07:10 PM roycroft: i went into it with fairly realistic expectations, and it's mostly met those expectations
07:10 PM roycroft: and if you want to spend another $1500 you can get the "bench pilot" now, which will let you read your book while the origin does its thing
07:10 PM * roycroft does not have the bench pilot, and does not see one in his future
07:11 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> > .< lol
07:11 PM xxcoder: lesliet theres new addon that essenally does that. which is funny because it costs way more than ok range cnc roputer would be.
07:11 PM lcnc-relay: <ccatlett1984@> https://www.thorlabs.com/newgrouppage9.cfm?objectgroup_id=762
07:11 PM lcnc-relay: <ccatlett1984@> This is a good shop to get laser glasses from
07:12 PM roycroft: but
07:12 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> probably not in my budget anytime soon. Neat tool, but I need to work on the ones I have
07:12 PM roycroft: if you get a standard cnc router you don't get to be a shaper fanboi
07:12 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> having plenty of fun upgrading the router I built
07:12 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> :p
07:13 PM roycroft: and wearing the shaper tee-shirt and putting your hair up in a man bun would be disingenuous at the very east
07:13 PM roycroft: least
07:14 PM Tom_L: skunkworks, https://macsmotorcitygarage.com/chrysler-returning-to-turbo-encabulators-for-2016/
07:23 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> oh, yeah. Discovered the encabulator on the big mill speed dial isn't an encabulator, just a variable resistor.
07:24 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> nice of them to print a circuit symbol/ pinout on the card
09:17 PM roycroft: well the day is done, and i'm not ready to start cutting yet
09:18 PM roycroft: but the time invested in getting the shaper origin workflow streamlined is paying off - i just made some templates in a fraction of the time it would have taken to make them using traditional methods
09:19 PM roycroft: i'll be able to finish the templates tomorrow easily
09:29 PM xxcoder: sometimes prep helps a lot yeah
09:29 PM xxcoder: streamlined process
09:29 PM lfluffywof: I didn't get nearly as much done today as I planned. but I did get a new water feature for my garden mostly built.
09:37 PM lfluffywof: shaper origin is that router-table-without-a-router-table thing, right? aren't they ungodly expensive?
09:38 PM xxcoder: yeah.
09:38 PM roycroft: i bought a refurbished 1gen after 2gen came out
09:38 PM roycroft: it was $1000 less than the price for a new one
09:38 PM roycroft: and it came with a full warranty from shaper
09:38 PM roycroft: but yes, it's still expensive
09:39 PM roycroft: and it's not a "router table" thing
09:39 PM roycroft: it's a hand-operated cnc router
09:39 PM lfluffywof: it does the same thing as a gantry table, but with you doing most of the work.
09:40 PM roycroft: yes
09:40 PM lfluffywof: cuts large, flat things, like a router table, but with no table.
09:40 PM roycroft: a "router table" is a bench with a router mounted underneath
09:40 PM roycroft: it does engraving
09:40 PM roycroft: router tables cannot do that
09:40 PM roycroft: unless you have a guide template for the engraving
09:41 PM lfluffywof: ok, yeah, I used the wrong term.
09:41 PM lfluffywof: I ment like a 6x8 cnc gantry router.
09:41 PM lfluffywof: 4x8
09:41 PM roycroft: or infinite
09:41 PM roycroft: another feature is that you can take it to your work
09:41 PM roycroft: if you want to do an inlay in a wooden floor you can't do that with a gantry router
09:41 PM roycroft: but you can with a shaper origin
09:42 PM lfluffywof: I should fix my gantry router. heh. right now I can't do either! lol
09:45 PM roycroft: with the origin i can hold a few thousandths easily
09:45 PM roycroft: when i make templates by hand i can still hold a few thousandths, but it takes a lot longer
09:45 PM * lfluffywof has shaky paws and sucks at hand precision anything
09:45 PM lfluffywof is now known as fluffywolf
10:43 PM fluffywolf: re the earlier discussion on amazin brand names... just found my SUXING test indicator mount...
10:43 PM xxcoder: suxing test indictor mount? lol
10:47 PM fluffywolf: I don't know if it suxs yet or not, need to test it. lol
10:48 PM xxcoder: indeed lol
11:06 PM * roycroft wonders where all these british amateur woodworkers get the money for their fancy felder spindle moulders and ginormous sliding table saws and wide belt sanders
11:06 PM fluffywolf: not having to pay health insurance.
11:06 PM roycroft: they pay for it with their taxes
11:06 PM roycroft: but it's cheaper than here