#linuxcnc Logs
Sep 29 2025
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:07 AM Deejay: moin
12:43 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> moin
02:08 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> What killer features are still missing in LinuxCNC ?
02:22 AM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> A Spotify plugin that plays through the stepper motors while doing a dance
02:24 AM lcnc-relay: <rs> jerk limited trajectory planner and forum
02:29 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> trajectory planner is to complex for me 🙁
02:29 AM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Chatter detection?
02:43 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> via Accelerometers ? hmmm
02:49 AM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Or motor/spindle feedback
02:50 AM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0141635925000959
02:51 AM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Seems like a lot of methods have been jsed judging by the reference liat in that paper
02:51 AM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> *used
02:53 AM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0022460X03001196 I think the Sandvik boringbars use something like this
02:54 AM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Communicating via bluetooth
04:17 AM Tom_L: morning
04:27 AM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Mornin
04:28 AM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Looking through knipex catalogue is dangerous
04:28 AM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Just discovered I have a deep need for spiderman scissors https://www.knipex.com/en-uk/products/cable-and-wire-rope-shears/electricians%27-shears/electricians-shears/950510SB
04:30 AM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> And carbide snips https://www.knipex.com/en-uk/products/electronics-pliers/electronics-diagonal-cutters-esd-with-inset-carbide-cutting-edge/electronics-diagonal-cutters-esd-inset-carbide-cutting-edge/7732120HESD
05:16 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
08:13 AM lcnc-relay: <allaboutjake@> Can you configure a 7i96S's P1 header to output step direction signals for hooking with a standard DB-25 ribbon for use on an existing servo setup that takes a parallel 25-pin input? If so how is that done?
08:24 AM Tom_L: find the bitfile that you need and upload it via mesaflash
08:24 AM lcnc-relay: <die_limonade@> or make a custom bitfile
08:24 AM Tom_L: https://github.com/linuxCNC/mesaflash
08:25 AM Tom_L: get the latest mesaflash there and build it
08:25 AM Tom_L: the readme tells how
08:25 AM Tom_L: (add a couple dependencies and make install)
08:25 AM Tom_L: (sudo make install)
09:19 AM lcnc-relay: <allaboutjake@> Cool I'll read up on this. One other question, does the 7i96S generate any heat -- designing a temporary secondary enclosure and wasn't planning anything special
09:20 AM Tom_L: none to speak of
09:20 AM lcnc-relay: <allaboutjake@> thanks. Parts on order, camn
09:21 AM lcnc-relay: <allaboutjake@> err: can't wait to start playing
09:44 AM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> reading the linuxcnc integrators manual, (version 2.6 something, newest one I'm finding?) and it's talking about needing to use python programs to make a manual toolchange on a standard 3 axis mill, so that the machine moves to a toolsetter switch and touches off after manual toolchange
09:44 AM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> is that still the case?
09:44 AM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> I'd think that was a common enough use case that there'd be something already written
09:48 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I think that is normal done with a re-map of the tool change gcode. But I have never done it. (remap I think can be pyton or gcode or ...)
09:49 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> https://forum.linuxcnc.org/38-general-linuxcnc-questions/57258-tool-height-setter-m6-subroutine-question#335443
09:54 AM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> On the Tormach, I just go through all the tools for a job, and use the toolsetting routine in pathpilot to get my offsets saved before running a program
09:54 AM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> guess that is an option here, too
09:55 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> looks like there are examples here? configs/sim/axis/remap/extend-builtins
09:55 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> yes
09:56 AM lcnc-relay: <rs> lesliet@: look here https://linuxcnc.org/docs/stable/pdf/ and https://linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/pdf/
09:57 AM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> nice, thanks! Looks more up to date than what I have
09:57 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/tree/master/configs/sim/axis/remap/manual-toolchange-with-tool-length-switch
09:58 AM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> sweet, thank you, skunkworks8841@
09:59 AM lcnc-relay: <rs> seems most content was moved elsewhere though
10:06 AM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> pretty much done assessing the head on the r2e4 at this point, and waiting on parts. May spend some time today on the rest of the machine just cleaning and inspecting
10:06 AM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> I suspect the last owner gave up at the point of figuring out how to deal with the various speed controls and broken parts on the head
10:09 AM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> oh, was gonna ask- I have a diy wood router that uses an arduino/grbl controller, and a mini pc running UGS. Will LinuxCNC interface with the Arduino if I want to play with LinuxCNC on a machine that's less expensive to crash?
10:14 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> no
10:14 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> linuxcnc is the motion controller.
10:15 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> The arduino in that setup is the motion controller.
10:16 AM rdtsc-w: GRBL runs on the arduino; that's only doing a subset of the functions LinuxCNC would do. LCNC is too big and complicated to run on an Arduino
10:16 AM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> was meaning to run LinuxCNC on the mini pc, but it sounds like the arduino is redundant ?
10:18 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> the cards (like mesa) you get for linuxcnc are not motion controllers - they are interface cards that do what the computer doesn't do well (high speed encoder counting, High speed pwm, Analog output, High speed step/dir generation.) while the computer does the stuff it does well. Floating point calculations, flexibility...
10:18 AM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> ok
10:19 AM lcnc-relay: <rs> lesliet@: depending on your "arduino" that runs the grbl machine you might have luck with something like this https://github.com/scottalford75/Remora
10:19 AM lcnc-relay: <rs> also look at "sibling" repositories
10:21 AM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> _nodnod_ might be a good option, although it sounds like I'd need to sub a rpi4 for the mini pc
10:21 AM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> which does free up a mini pc for the big mill
10:21 AM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> not wanting to spend a lot on the router, it's kind of low end
10:25 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> rpi4 would work.. but very under-powered. plus - you would still need a mesa card or such as it doesn't do very high gpio stepping..
10:25 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> imho
10:31 AM roycroft: i have a rpi4 + mesa 7i96 for my mini-router
10:32 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I have a rpi4 + 7i92 running a mini mill
10:33 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> with the latest image - I needed to run a 2ms servo thread instead of 1ms.
10:33 AM roycroft: https://roycroft.us/MiniRouter/Wiring4.jpeg
10:33 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> still ok for most all things
10:34 AM roycroft: i'm not quite to the point where i'm making parts with that machine, but my initial tests moving the spindle around went well
10:35 AM roycroft: i think it's going to work fine
10:35 AM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> skunkworks8841@: I'm confused, then; rs posted a link to something that I understood he meant lets you use the arduino as an interface card to run the drives, but it says it needs an rpi4.
10:37 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> Remora? I don't know enough about it.. I think it needs to be LPC176x and STM32F4 based.. Again - just know that it is out there..
10:45 AM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> sounds like maybe a whole rabbithole that I'm going to just avoid for now. Mesa cards are a bit expensive for that particular machine, as in it's probably not worth the outlay
10:47 AM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> although a 7i96 is only $119
10:47 AM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> so maybe someday, after I make the x and z axes a bit more rigid
10:47 AM roycroft: yes, and you can always repurpose the mesa card later
10:49 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I was given some hardware to run remora - but just have not gotten to it.
10:51 AM rdtsc-w: I think, if a small machine previously ran baby-GRBL, it will also run big-brother-LinuxCNC. Just that the Arduino isn't going to cut the mustard.
11:07 AM rigid: lesliet: the pi4 can drive GPIO/PWMs directly if you are willed to fiddle with an rt-preempt kernel. 30 kHz is no problem. ~60 kHz is possible.
11:08 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> In my experience - 10k was the max I got..
11:09 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> 30khz would be amazing - 60khz I don't believe at all.
11:09 AM rigid: i'm running quite some patches (some are merged in the meantime). Also i'm running headless with linuxcnc being basically the only thing running on 3 of 4 cores.
11:10 AM rigid: not running X/wayland/video drivers makes a huge difference.
11:11 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> sure - how do you control it?
11:11 AM rigid: skunkworks8841: 60 kHz is laughable for a BCM SoC
11:11 AM rigid: i control it with the GUI on a remote machine
11:12 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> how though? (another thing I have never played with)
11:18 AM rigid: @skunkworks8841 using nml over TCP instead of localhost. I just found that the wiki page describing that seems to be gone on wiki.linuxcnc.org
11:37 AM rdtsc-w: that's the story of a lot of LinuxCNC pages
11:57 AM rdtsc-w: we need a website and wiki team
12:00 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> A new host at least
12:03 PM rdtsc-w: the paper tape it is recorded on might be getting a weee bit old :)
12:05 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> rofl
12:06 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> are they still using paper-tape-over-teapotnet protocol?
12:07 PM lcnc-relay: <allaboutjake@> Tom_L, is there a list somewhre of the mesa binaries provided in the 7i96s.zip file and what they're intended for? 7i96s_xy2modd seems to have additional step generators in just about the right position for my seup on P1-03 through P1-06
12:09 PM lcnc-relay: <allaboutjake@> seems like what I'd want, but I'm not sure what these filenames are meant to convey. "5abobrcd" hehe, is that 5axis, breakout board,... something something
12:10 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> (on a side note, do pings on discord make it over the IRC bridge?)
12:14 PM rdtsc-w: dunno, can try it though https://web.libera.chat/ channel is #linuxcnc
12:14 PM rdtsc-w: if PCW is around, he'll also know what those bitfiles do (really surprised there isn't an index)
12:18 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> I'd be willing to help with website and dpc organisation, but it's been about 10 years since I did anything web related
12:19 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> With a decent vps like Hetzner, they set things up fairly well I think though
12:19 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Don't have to worry about ddos etc as much
12:20 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> *doc
12:20 PM rdtsc-w: I guess the main issue is, the only one with the passwords is rarely if ever on
12:20 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Yeah, need the database
12:24 PM roycroft: the problem with helping out with the linuxcnc website is that all offers to do so, whether monetary or time/skill, are ignored
12:25 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> I wouldn't say that
12:25 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> It's complicated
12:25 PM roycroft: i would, since i've been trying to give them money and help manage the site for at least a decade
12:25 PM rdtsc-w: something they should definitely discuss at the upcoming meeting
12:25 PM roycroft: it doesn't need to be complicated
12:26 PM roycroft: yeah
12:26 PM roycroft: "the upcoming meeting"
12:26 PM roycroft: i get being too busy to do the admin work properly
12:26 PM roycroft: i don't get being too busy to not bother responding to people who would like to help with that and have the time and skillset to do so
12:27 PM roycroft: i finally quit volunteering
12:27 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Certainly need access to the original files unless you're going to scrape the whole thing and reconstruct it
12:27 PM roycroft: just recently there was an issue with the wiki and i emailed the person on jt's request offering to either fix it or explain what needs to be done
12:27 PM roycroft: that email went unanswered
12:28 PM roycroft: which is typical with linuxcnc-related things
12:28 PM roycroft: maybe someone else will have better luck helping than i've had
12:28 PM roycroft: anyway, this is not intended as a big rant, which i see it's turning out to be
12:28 PM roycroft: it was meant as a heads-up that offers to help probably will be ignored
12:29 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Certainly there should be backup options for getting access if the designated person has life complications
12:29 PM roycroft: i think it's more of a "set in their ways" thing than anything else- i don't think it's anything personal directed at anyone
12:29 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Anyone heavily involved probably has their hands full
12:30 PM roycroft: sure
12:30 PM roycroft: which is why ignoring offers to help from well-qualified people does not make a lot of sense
12:30 PM * roycroft thinks he's said all he has to say on the matter at this point
12:31 PM * JT-Cave has a 16' trailer full of rounds that I need to dump off and go get the big stuff
12:34 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> tangentially makes me think of the CNC Cookbook site. The owner had a sudden heart attack in July this year, and hadn't made arrangements for anyone to take it over. The family is doing what they can, but you know. Awkward transitions, and all.
12:35 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> hate to see such a huge informational resource disappear
12:35 PM roycroft: there are multiple people with access to the lcnc forum, and i suspect there's a way to do a backup from within the forum software
12:35 PM roycroft: the wiki i do not know about
12:36 PM xxcoder: yeah. reminds me of that lego market site. owner suddenly died and family took couple years to finally get it in their control, and evenually sold it to someone and they sold to lego company
12:36 PM roycroft: but yes, getting run over by a bus is something every project should consider
12:37 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> 100%
12:37 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> project/business
12:37 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> having a succession plan
12:37 PM xxcoder: that person was still quite young at 35 at that time, so not surpised there was no plans yet
12:37 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> although I would suspect the tendency is to undervalue one's own contribution?
12:38 PM roycroft: there are always young people with healthy organs
12:38 PM roycroft: so a good succession plan is to become a despot so that one has easy access to those organs, no?
12:38 PM roycroft: immortality is a good counter to premature demise
12:39 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> gives new meaning to "organ of the state"
12:39 PM JT-Cave: digitalocean is setup to make droplet backups what ever that is
12:39 PM * JT-Cave goes back to work
12:39 PM lcnc-relay: <rs> it's not so easy with the web stuff... forum needs os upgrade and forum sw upgrade
12:39 PM xxcoder: can always archive forum and start new one
12:39 PM roycroft: a big part of the problem is getting access when the owner is no longer available
12:39 PM roycroft: backups are great as long as you can access them
12:39 PM lcnc-relay: <rs> JT-Cave: we will have another in-person meeting this year AFAIK, if andy is there we could try update the forum
12:40 PM JT-Cave: I've seen him on email lately
12:40 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> JT-Cave: Do you have access to those?
12:40 PM JT-Cave: those?
12:40 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> They seem to be full server images
12:40 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Droplet backups
12:41 PM JT-Cave: yes I do have access to digital ocean but not the main control panel like I'm used to with dreamhost
12:41 PM * JT-Cave really has to go back to work now
12:41 PM lcnc-relay: <rs> lesliet@: remora is substitute for mesa cards
12:43 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Ok, if you could download one of those images it should be possible to rebuild the website with some updates to the forum software on a new host. Then transfer the domain reg
12:44 PM lcnc-relay: <rs> joomla 3 -> joomla 5
12:44 PM lcnc-relay: <rs> that also means upgrading PHP and mysql
12:45 PM lcnc-relay: <rs> it could be that multiple migrations are needed
12:45 PM roycroft: that is something i also offered to help with several times
12:45 PM roycroft: i haven't managed joomla sites in a long time, but i'm familiar with joomla, and i run an isp that does web and email hosting
12:45 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Could give a heads up on the forum and then do a last minute database transfer once the procedure has been worked out in a non live test server
12:46 PM roycroft: i am very familiar with os systems administration and the like
12:46 PM rdtsc-w: we're kinda talking to deaf ears - needs prioritization internally first
12:46 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> I have set up joomla... about 15 years ago
12:47 PM lcnc-relay: <rs> PHP is a crime that only the likes of facebook should use. . IMHO.
12:47 PM * roycroft really is done discussing this now
12:47 PM rdtsc-w: PrettyHackablePoo? :)
12:47 PM roycroft: good luck if you think you might get some changes made soon :)
12:47 PM roycroft: php is better than perl
12:47 PM roycroft: which is not saying much at all
12:48 PM lcnc-relay: <rs> exactly
12:48 PM roycroft: i write my first cgi in c
12:48 PM lcnc-relay: <rs> probably most remote vulnerabilities that are not buffer overflows in some C code was caused by stupid PHP code
12:48 PM roycroft: becase at the time it was basically c or perl
12:49 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Writing a forum app in 2025 is just pure unnecessary masochism
12:50 PM roycroft: that was back when we were still using gopher for most online data content
12:50 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Translators available for pretty much everything too
12:50 PM lcnc-relay: <rs> whatever. the -devel mailinglist has an invitiation by steffen möller to a video conference where this stuff could/should/will be discussed, so please chime in
12:50 PM rdtsc-w: be sure to harden them against the incessant Google AI bots that'll intentionally order things from your site, then disconnect before paying - leaving records in shambles
12:51 PM lcnc-relay: <rs> re. the wiki, i tried to convert what's there to github wiki... not perfect and the history is missing for now
12:52 PM rdtsc-w: sounds like a massive amount of work
12:52 PM lcnc-relay: <rs> but it's more or less markdown
12:53 PM lcnc-relay: <rs> i got help from a small python script that basically did the work
12:53 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Discourse seems overwhelmingly to have the best feedback these days
12:53 PM lcnc-relay: <rs> changing forum software would destroy more than a decade of "knowledge"
12:54 PM xxcoder: rs thats why I talked about archiving
12:54 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> No, you'd migrate everything, that goes without saying
12:54 PM xxcoder: simply disallow new posts
12:55 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> There are off the shelf tools for that
12:55 PM lcnc-relay: <rs> i don't want to be anywhere near any migration of forum content.
12:55 PM rdtsc-w: that sounds like a can of worms
12:56 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Just don't go live until it's been done, keep backups
12:56 PM rdtsc-w: pull hair out for a week inbetween :)
12:57 PM lcnc-relay: <rs> as much as i dislike php & co, but why would you do that (migrate to another abomination), what would it gain.
12:58 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Yeah some difficulty is to be expected, but payoff would be worth it I think
12:58 PM lcnc-relay: <rs> rdtsc-w: optimist. a week of hair pulling is probably not enough
12:58 PM roycroft: forum migrations can happen
12:59 PM lcnc-relay: <rs> lucid.nonsense@: what payoff? (vs. upgrade to current version of joomla)
12:59 PM roycroft: that is not something i would want to volunteer for right now, but after my roof project is done it would be a good winter project
12:59 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> wonder if it would speed up forum loading? In the last few weeks, page load times have been anywhere from " noticeable delay" to " click link, go do something else for a few minutes while it loads"
12:59 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Much more highly regarded and performant
12:59 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Easier to manage
01:00 PM roycroft: but it's not something i would advocate doing necessarily
01:00 PM roycroft: i don't know enough about current frustrations/concerns about the existing forum
01:00 PM roycroft: one does not migrate just to be migrating
01:00 PM roycroft: at least, one shouldn't
01:00 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> I'd be willing to give it a go, if it goes south I'm the only one who's lost anything
01:01 PM lcnc-relay: <rs> roycroft: os is something outdated probably debian based that needs upgrade, joomla 3.0 is also a liability, so both needs upgrading, but can only be done somewhat in lockstep as far as i know
01:02 PM roycroft: yes, and i do that kind of stuff all the time
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01:03 PM roycroft: i have a couple vertical market apps that have very specific requirements, and often require an os upgrade at the same time as the app upgrade
01:03 PM roycroft: i should point out, though, that most of the time it's a php version issue
01:03 PM lcnc-relay: <rs> AFAIK JT pays for the forum server, so he probably has ultimate access
01:04 PM roycroft: i.e. the os upgrade is primarily needed because it also upgrades php to a version supported by the new version of the application software
01:04 PM lcnc-relay: <rs> yes AFAIK newer joomla won't run on php 7.4 that is currently on the server and older joomla probably won't run on php 8
01:04 PM roycroft: i use a third-party repository on my debian database and web servers that allows me to install multiple php versions on the same machine, same os simultaneously
01:04 PM lcnc-relay: <rs> same probably applies for mysql/mariadb "database"
01:05 PM roycroft: which somewhat decouples the os requirement from the app requirement
01:05 PM roycroft: i have one web server, as a matter of fact, that has some legacy websites that the owners do not want to upgrade
01:05 PM roycroft: and i have it configured to use both php7.4 and php8.3
01:05 PM roycroft: i can provision the php version on a per-website basis
01:06 PM Unterhaus__ is now known as Unterhausen
01:06 PM roycroft: that, in my view, is the sanest way to handle upgrades
01:06 PM roycroft: trying to upgrade the os and application at the same time is often a recipe for disaster
01:07 PM roycroft: when that is the only real option, i try to do a fresh os and application install on a different machine and migrate the data
01:07 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> I think the preferred way to run discourse is a docker image
01:07 PM lcnc-relay: <rs> the problem is that ultimately nobody is responsible in the end, and there is no legal structure like a foundation, german "Verein" or company
01:07 PM roycroft: eew
01:07 PM roycroft: :)
01:08 PM * roycroft loathes docker in production environments
01:08 PM roycroft: there's the rub, rs
01:08 PM roycroft: there is no "linuxcnc inc"
01:08 PM lcnc-relay: <rs> so nobody knows who owns the domain, who pays for which servers etc... all really messy
01:08 PM roycroft: it's a rag-tag loose affiliation of individuals
01:09 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Yeah, not that I know much, but guessing it's a meritocracy type of thibg
01:09 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Thing
01:09 PM lcnc-relay: <rs> https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/issues/3566
01:10 PM roycroft: a linuxcnc foundation would make sense
01:10 PM Tom_L: allaboutjake, in the bin file folder in the zip there may be description files
01:10 PM Tom_L: i haven't looked at that one that close yet
01:12 PM lcnc-relay: <rs> last year i tried to get behind the mystery of the non-working https://wiki.linuxcnc.org and who could have access to the relevant control panels. i suspect andypugh should have, but somehow that investigation ended in confusion between DigitalOcean and DreamHost
01:13 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> I don't like the leave the forurm how it is idea, it's so outdated it's a massive security issue that could well end up getting wiped by scriptkiddies
01:14 PM lcnc-relay: <rs> forum OS and joomla need upgrading, thats out of the question. i think the know how is available, it "just" has to be organized
01:14 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> If that droplet backup can be downloaded unencrypted it shouldn't be too hard to twase out the databases and wiki files
01:14 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> *tease
01:15 PM lcnc-relay: <rs> if somebody can demonstrate a working migration to something less insane than joomla, all the better
01:16 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> I know my vote means nothing, but I really dislike cloudflare, it's a pain in the hole of you use a vpn
01:16 PM roycroft: i still maintain that identifying issues with joomla is a prerequisite to any thoughs of migrating to a different platform
01:16 PM lcnc-relay: <rs> i'm pretty sure that cloudflare won't happen, it won't gain us anything
01:17 PM roycroft: it's usually a *lot* of work to migrate a forum to different software
01:17 PM lcnc-relay: <rs> roycroft: yes IMHO migratoin to different software makes no sense at all
01:17 PM roycroft: my concerns about the current setup is that the os is old, the php version is old, and the forum software is old
01:17 PM roycroft: some of that is going to break at some time
01:17 PM lcnc-relay: <rs> or get hacked
01:17 PM roycroft: and that time could be tomorrow or in a few years or any time in between
01:18 PM roycroft: that is part of my definition of "break"
01:25 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> https://github.com/discourse/discourse/tree/main/script/import_scripts
01:26 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Two kunena migration scripts built in
01:26 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Some manual config of course
01:26 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Anyways, not up to me
01:42 PM lcnc-relay: <sodakaustik@> analog servos or ethercat?
01:43 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> lol
01:44 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I like analog servos. but want to play with ethercat
01:48 PM rdtsc-w: search the forums - ethercat is "doable" but kinda like randomly swimming out to sea - you're completely on your own :)
01:53 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Lots of cheap used ethercat stuff on ebay
01:56 PM lcnc-relay: <rs> from a maintenance POV, discourse would not be an improvement
01:57 PM lcnc-relay: <rs> sodakaustik@: you mean really analog servos? 80ies electronics with analog PID loops, motor personalization PCBs, analog PID loops?
02:23 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> https://youtu.be/nzBjrATVbmA?si=Bv6qP-w-zQSYXm5m
02:23 PM lcnc-relay: <sodakaustik@> I mean AC servos with analog input
02:24 PM lcnc-relay: <sodakaustik@> its either chinese servos with a 7i97t
02:24 PM lcnc-relay: or Kinco ethercat servos
02:28 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> am planning on AC6 ac servos, here, with analog input.
02:28 PM lcnc-relay: <sodakaustik@> I have a beckhoff cx9020 in my drawer
02:28 PM lcnc-relay: <sodakaustik@> would that be compatible for ethercatM
02:28 PM lcnc-relay: <rs> you could also get servos with step/dir input
02:29 PM lcnc-relay: <sodakaustik@> I did that for my small lathe, never again
02:29 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> thought briefly about EC servos, but I want to stay on the well trodden part of the path, since I'm very much on the low side of the learning curve
02:29 PM lcnc-relay: <sodakaustik@> Stepdir is a mistake
02:29 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> is it? What issues did you have?
02:29 PM lcnc-relay: <sodakaustik@> No closed loop inside linuxcnc
02:30 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> ah
02:30 PM lcnc-relay: <sodakaustik@> lcnc doesnt actually know if the servos are positioned at their commanded location
02:30 PM lcnc-relay: <sodakaustik@> so you get threading issues and other errors
02:30 PM lcnc-relay: <sodakaustik@> basically a following error that you can't properly compensate for
02:31 PM lcnc-relay: <sodakaustik@> So i am abandoning this methodology, it only makes sense for retrofitting a servo on a machine which previously had steppers
02:34 PM pcw_at_home: That's a bit silly, Its nice to know the actual following error, but there must be millions of step/dir machines without these issues
02:35 PM lcnc-relay: <roguish> sodakaustik@: I display the axes following errors on the screen continuously
02:36 PM lcnc-relay: <roguish> tighten up your PID loops
02:38 PM lcnc-relay: <sodakaustik@> the machine is tuned tight as a string, the methodology is just lacking
02:39 PM lcnc-relay: <roguish> there are other cnc machine control programs, go for 'em
02:39 PM lcnc-relay: <sodakaustik@> I have no issues with linuxcnc
02:40 PM lcnc-relay: <sodakaustik@> I have issues with blind step/dir control... so i am not repeating my mistake, im running ethercat or analog servos this time!!! just cant decide which one...
02:42 PM pcw_at_home: You could also run step/dir with encoder feedback, but this really does not make much sense unless you have linear scales
02:44 PM pcw_at_home: if an open loop step dir system has too much following error, it's a problem with drive tuning (the drive is not moving as commanded)
03:05 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I am gluing some 3d printed stuff together and wanted to print a sheet I could cut up and re-enforce the joints. I printed a sheet .4mm thick. Man - that was cool - it feels like paper but strong.
03:10 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> https://photos.app.goo.gl/3G9WTxdMbGgodBts9
03:19 PM Tom_L: allaboutjake, looks like the 7i96s has pin description files along with the bin files
03:32 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> skunkworks8841@: Neat, depending on the part ypu could also do the whole Japanese woodworking thing with selftightening keypieces
03:33 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> the slicer has a option for dove tails.. They don't work the greatest
03:33 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> edge to edge seems to be just fine
03:34 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> with duco cement
03:34 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> (this is for a star wars costume for my son)
03:34 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Yeah was more thinking a third piece that forms a key that clamps the pieces together, but probably overkill
03:36 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> https://photos.app.goo.gl/BJHfzTwL9dDhPxeRA
03:36 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> that was last year - he has outgrown the chest/back peices. and we have time to make all of the parts this year
03:37 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I had scaled everything but the helmet..
03:37 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Awesome
03:37 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> https://youtu.be/zI8OgRRF5d8?si=PjxPvxI9IqIXdeQj
03:38 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Done a blaster yet?
03:38 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> no - last year we just painted a toy gun black
03:39 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Put a laserpointer in the end 😅
03:39 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> and walk around with a fog machine? lol
03:39 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Or a vape 😅
04:11 PM JT-Shop: I think there was about 2k pounds of red oad
04:13 PM Tom_L: that'll give ya a workout
04:13 PM JT-Shop: I'm worked out for sure
04:15 PM JT-Shop: I dumped the first load on the ground this morning, the second load is all the huge rounds
04:16 PM Tom_L: on the forum subject, iirc someone in devel asked andy for the database for it but i don't know what came of it
04:18 PM JT-Shop: I've never figured out where the database is hiding
04:19 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> If that droplet backup is downloadable and not encrypted, we're golden
04:22 PM JT-Shop: how is that?
04:22 PM Tom_L: Aug 04 16:24:11 <andypugh> rmu: Still wanting that database?
04:23 PM JT-Shop: the only problem I see is old photos and posts have used up a lot of our disk space it's at 70%
04:23 PM Tom_L: aparently andy can get it
04:23 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Just extract the database and wiki/website and spin up a new server
04:24 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Then work can begin on upgrading with access
04:24 PM Tom_L: Aug 01 07:12:51 <rmu> andypugh: do you have access to the wiki database files? i.e. can you read them?
04:24 PM Tom_L: Aug 01 07:14:05 <rmu> i would like to convert that stuff to markdown and upload it to github. I think I have a tool that can read that particular wiki db. scraping it from the website is somewhat sub-optimal
04:24 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Scraping the forum would definitely be suboptimal
04:25 PM * JT-Shop goes to unload all the lumberjacking tools
04:26 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> With the database, if an upgrade or migration was made you could send out a password reset or autoprompt for a password reset on first login, scraping would delete all accounts
04:27 PM JT-Shop: so I'm confused are you proposing moving linuxcnc to a new host?
04:29 PM Tom_L: me?
04:29 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> That was my suggestion, but obviously not up to me. Thinking there may be an element of bot assault on the current server if everything is so old
04:29 PM Tom_L: i saw the forum topic came up again and remembered that was all
04:30 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Dunno how equipped the current host is for the traffic and current internet environment
04:30 PM Tom_L: always a good topic to kick around a day or two then bury
04:31 PM JT-Shop: the traffic is normal
04:31 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> It's pretty dire though isn't it?
04:31 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Solvable problem
04:31 PM Tom_L: so it seb's buildbot sitting in his garage
04:33 PM JT-Shop: yup
04:34 PM JT-Shop: made up from a bunch of industrial pc's iirc
04:34 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Definitely an issue that the forum is probably a security liability
04:34 PM Tom_L: pretty hefty stuff i think
04:37 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Any idea how much storage is in use on the server?
04:45 PM JT-Shop: and why do you think the forum is a security liability?
04:45 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Anyway, sorry if I'm stepping on toes, just figured it could be a way of contributing, my c++ skills don't regiater on the map
04:46 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> If it is 2 versions old and not been updated
04:47 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Main issue for most is the downtime I'm guessing
04:47 PM JT-Shop: it?
04:47 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> The forum backend
04:48 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Joomla 3 was what was mentioned
04:48 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> And whichever kunena came with it
04:48 PM JT-Shop: yes and to upgrade to joomla 4 php 8.2 is the minimum version
04:49 PM JT-Shop: and right now we are running php 7.4.3
04:49 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Which I'd assume is a security liability in itself
04:49 PM JT-Shop: I never assume
04:49 PM JT-Shop: I'm running ubuntu 10 with no issues
04:50 PM JT-Shop: security issues are usually windblows not linux
04:53 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> https://www.cvedetails.com/version-list/74/128/8/PHP-PHP.html?sha=50bbf819fcb871ec995e3ee4b73b7b99dde03378&order=1&trc=1551
04:56 PM JT-Shop: so yeah it's a rare possibility
04:59 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Yeah, think most of the issue is quite high downtime, a more up to date version, new host or migration to more efficient forum software are the ideas floated
05:00 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> But all those require database access
05:00 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Unless the forum was archived
05:01 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Scraping might not be a bad idea as a failsafe if it's not accessible
05:02 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> A lot of golden nuggets of information on there from you guys
05:04 PM JT-Shop: the database would be useless without the cms
05:07 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> No, there are ready made scripts to rebuild kunena forums from the mysql database, also ready made scripts to migrate a kunena mysql database to discourse
05:07 PM roycroft: jt-shop: actually there are lot of linux exploits, and it is good to keep systems up to date
05:07 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Wiki is just md files though right?
05:07 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Or xml
05:08 PM JT-Shop: roycroft, I understand but I've not figured out how to change the php version
05:09 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Is there a full joomla 3 to 5 that includes dependencies?
05:09 PM JT-Shop: and I don't understand how the whole droplet cms relationship works
05:09 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Need a backup first obviously
05:09 PM lcnc-relay: <sodakaustik@> i think im going marco reps style with ethercat beckhoff hardware and servos on my next machine :)
05:10 PM JT-Shop: you can's update joomla without updating php first and backing up
05:10 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> The droplet backup is a whole server image
05:10 PM JT-Shop: I think that is correct, but not sure
05:11 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Need that stored safely off server ahead of time
05:12 PM roycroft: so the issue is that nobody we know has access to the control panel at dreamhost?
05:12 PM roycroft: er, digital ocean
05:12 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Know, but he's not reachable
05:13 PM roycroft: that makes things difficult
05:13 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> That's my understanding anyway
05:13 PM JT-Shop: I have access to digital ocean and the droplet is running ubuntu 20
05:13 PM roycroft: is the lack of reachability something that can be fixed?
05:13 PM roycroft: oh, so you should be able to get a backup of the database and front end?
05:14 PM JT-Shop: so I assume that a new droplet is needed with a newer version of ubuntu to get newer php
05:14 PM JT-Shop: I've not figured out how to have access to phpmyadmin
05:14 PM JT-Shop: which would give me a database backup
05:14 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Depends what type of access you have, ssh root?
05:14 PM JT-Shop: also I know nothing about creating a droplet
05:15 PM JT-Shop: yup I have ssh root
05:15 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Says on digital ocean that droplet backup images are created regularly
05:15 PM Tom_L: ai says: server's specific URL followed by /phpmyadmin for a remote host, then log in with your database credentials.
05:16 PM JT-Shop: well I don't have database credentials
05:16 PM Tom_L: does andy?
05:16 PM JT-Shop: searches I've done say you can't access the joomla database
05:16 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Can you create a database account with root
05:16 PM JT-Shop: I have the most access
05:16 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> https://docs.digitalocean.com/products/backups/how-to/create-and-restore/
05:17 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> So backups may not be turned on
05:17 PM JT-Shop: they are turned on
05:17 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Ok good
05:18 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> https://www.websitebuilderinsider.com/how-do-i-download-a-droplet-backup-digitalocean/
05:18 PM * Tom_L gets his 3.5" floppy out to make a backup
05:19 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Lol
05:20 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> You have floppys? Someone just gave me a tape reel so we can retire the warehouse of lunchcards
05:20 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Punchcards too
05:21 PM Tom_L: yeah i stored them next to my crt
05:22 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> I bet it even has colours other than green
05:22 PM JT-Shop: there is some high bandwidth from time to time as well as high disk I/O but the events are short
05:22 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Sounds suspicious
05:24 PM JT-Shop: anyway right now I'm very tired and need to relax a bit
05:24 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Yeah I bet, get some rest
05:25 PM JT-Shop: at least I have all the rounds here so I can slowly and carefully split them... but the biggest ones will need to be noodled
05:26 PM JT-Shop: the biggest round I can handle on the splitter is about 24"
05:34 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> what does it mean to noodle a round?
05:35 PM JT-Shop: https://pasteboard.co/hQ4LV9c7PE9O.jpg
05:35 PM JT-Shop: you cut it with the grain so length wise
05:35 PM JT-Shop: it creates long "noodles" of chips
05:36 PM JT-Shop: https://pasteboard.co/dStuzoo1Usg6.jpg
05:36 PM JT-Shop: https://pasteboard.co/HYb2u1W9ZKlA.jpg
05:38 PM JT-Shop: a round is what is in the photos
05:38 PM JT-Shop: after you cut a log to firewood length it's called a round
05:38 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> I knew what a round was, just never heard ripping it the long way called noodling. (not a lumberjack, lol)
05:39 PM JT-Shop: might be a midwest term dunno but from time to time I cut a lot of trees
05:39 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> have thought it would be nice to have one of the mini-sawmills, tho
05:40 PM JT-Shop: my buddy up the road has one and I've cut a lot of lumber on it
05:40 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> seems like a good deal- trade letting wood dry for a long time, vs paying a lot for low quality lumber
05:41 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> some storage space sacrificed
05:41 PM JT-Shop: I let it dry first outside under the leanto with stickers then move it inside
05:41 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> stickers?
05:42 PM JT-Shop: I let it dry at least a year for 4 quarter lumber
05:42 PM JT-Shop: stickers are the sticks you put between each board to allow air to reach all sides evenly
05:42 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> at my age, a year goes by pretty quick
05:42 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> oh, yeah, ok
05:43 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> I have a bunch of ~ 2x2 scraps that get used for that
05:43 PM JT-Shop: I'm so old I was born in the territory of Alaska
05:43 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> make a flat stack so it doesn't warp as much
05:43 PM JT-Shop: I use 3/4" square for my sticker
05:44 PM JT-Shop: if there are any knots it will warp :)
05:44 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> you've only got a few years on me
05:44 PM JT-Shop: 1953 was a good year
05:46 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> been getting more into woodworking, but my favorite thing is still just rescuing old machinery and making it useful again
05:46 PM JT-Shop: that's cool
05:47 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> so I tend to spend more time enjoying fixing the tools, than in actually making stuff with them, other than parts for more tools
05:47 PM JT-Shop: I'm restoring a 1982 Corvette in my spare time
05:47 PM * roycroft predates the space age
05:47 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> restoring an 1982 R2E4 lol\
05:48 PM JT-Shop: that involves making a lot of jigs and pressing adapters to take things out and press them back in
05:48 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> "restoring" is maybe the wrong word, tho
05:48 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> roycroft: I do remember my dad having me watch the moon landing, and telling me it was important
05:49 PM JT-Shop: right now I'm trying to restore the running gear on the C3
05:49 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> I don't even have a proper press at home, but we have a nice one at work
05:50 PM JT-Shop: but got interrupted by a 75' red oak tree for free
05:50 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> worth the interruption, I'd say
05:50 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> lotta hard work, tho
05:50 PM JT-Shop: I have a 50 ton press that I used to use to make Spyder parts
05:50 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Born the year Star wars was released and Elvis died
05:51 PM JT-Shop: don't make me look that up... I've been to Graceland
05:51 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> lol, met Priscilla once.
05:51 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> she was cool
05:51 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Thsn you should remember!
05:51 PM JT-Shop: wow that's cool
05:52 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> gf at the time was big in her fan club, so we got a backstage pass up at the roseland in Portland
05:52 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> I blanked Teri Hatcher at 15 years old
05:53 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> I legitimately had to look up both who that is, and what it means to blank someone...
05:53 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> been that kind of day
05:54 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> woke up and started reading the integrator manual first thing, and now I can't English
05:54 PM JT-Shop: yup I know neither one
05:55 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> I was at warner bros in Hollywood, they were filming some series, and I was into photography and cinematography so I was absorbed in a conversation with the director
05:55 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> oh, cool
05:56 PM JT-Shop: yeah pretty cool
05:56 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> This woman full of entitlement comes up and says hi in a sort of I'm here give me attention type of way
05:56 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> lol
05:57 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> But we were deep in a technical conversation so I looked at her and got back to the conversation
05:57 PM JT-Shop: my favorite director is Mel Brooks
05:57 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Found out they were filming the pilot to lois and clark and she was lois
05:57 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> A few months later
05:58 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> No regrets, it was shit
05:59 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> JT-Shop: Fan of men in tights and spaceballs?
05:59 PM JT-Shop: Blazing Saddles
05:59 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> 'bout the only other brush with fame worth mentioning I can think of, different gf had a dad that was a prop man. They were filming some ninja tv show, and we got to be there for a bit. Met lee VanCleef. Very cool guy. Offered me a beer, but I had to decline given the situation. Lots of cool ninja props
06:00 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Nice
06:00 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> Not sure I could say I really have a favorite director, but Mel Brooks is up there
06:01 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> I was an exchange student in California, bumped into a few people, but the famous ones weren't the most interesting
06:02 PM JT-Shop: one of my favorite movies is the last on Fred Gwynne acted in
06:02 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> I got shown around time warner interactive by the ceo, for an hour, can't remember why, I was just wildly excited by talking to the artists on their sgi workstations
06:03 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Apinning textueed 3d models in realtime, wild
06:03 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> *spinning
06:04 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> I can imagine getting to see pros doing the thing you're passionate about would be exciting
06:04 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> They were all destined to be made into sprites for the game though
06:05 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> JT-Shop: My Cousin Vinnie?
06:05 PM JT-Shop: yup
06:05 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Very good movie
06:06 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Really love the new dune movies
06:07 PM * JT-Shop is one tired puppy and calls it a day
06:07 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Night
06:07 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> cheers, JT, good talkin with you
06:07 PM JT-Shop: good talking to you too
06:08 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> 5 minutes to midnight, off to bed too
06:09 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> g'night Lucid
06:10 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Thanks, night