#linuxcnc Logs
Sep 26 2025
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:46 AM Deejay: moin
01:01 AM xxcoder: seems theres new rpi 500+
02:21 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> moin
03:27 AM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Moinmoin
03:27 AM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> xxcoder: Wish they'd bring out a new pitop
03:29 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> > = 2.9.5 is broken 🙁
03:29 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> halui.axis.x.pos-relative will not update
03:29 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> on raspberry, amd64 not tested
03:29 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> if i downgrade back to 2.9.4 all works again 🙁
03:42 AM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> What about 2.9.6?
03:42 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> same issue
03:53 AM lcnc-relay: <turboss@> morning
03:56 AM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Mornin
03:59 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> https://www.youtube.com/shorts/cpyuF6s3XNo
04:03 AM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Nice, arduino?
04:04 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> I'm currently testing mpg again and noticed the bug. At first, I was afraid it was my software, but the values remain the same in halshow as well.
04:04 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> lucid.nonsense@: yes, esp32 with platformio / arduino
04:04 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> works wireless via espnow
04:05 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> https://github.com/multigcs/linuxcnc-mpg
04:05 AM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Awesome, had planned to use esp32 too
04:06 AM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> What's latency like with espnow?
04:08 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> not noticeable
04:09 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> and very stable
04:13 AM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Cool, I've been playing with bt 5 on a c6 lately same experience
04:38 AM Tom_L: morning
06:32 AM * JT-Cave wonders if meister has tested the hal leds in flex
06:58 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> JT-Cave: not your implementation
08:03 AM Unterhaus_ is now known as Unterhausen
08:37 AM lcnc-relay: <pink_vampire@> morning
09:07 AM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> meisterdippel@: the best etch-a-sketch
09:18 AM lcnc-relay: <pink_vampire@> looks cool, how it work?
09:30 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> works good 🙂
09:31 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> hal <-> mpg.py <-> serial <-> esp32 <~> espnow <-> esp32
09:47 AM rdtsc-w: not seeing anything on irc
09:48 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> hal - mpg.py - serial - esp32 - espnow - esp32
09:48 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> or what you mean ?
09:52 AM rdtsc-w: pink_vampire said 'looks cool, how it work?' but not seeing any images prior to this
09:54 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> https://www.youtube.com/shorts/cpyuF6s3XNo
09:54 AM Tom_L: did you print that case?
09:55 AM rdtsc-w: nice
09:55 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> yes
09:55 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> stl and scad is on github
09:56 AM Tom_L: part number for the pots
09:56 AM Tom_L: or encoders?
09:56 AM Tom_L: for the feeds
09:56 AM Tom_L: buttons NC or NO?
09:57 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> encoder: cheapest on amazon , buttons NO
09:57 AM Tom_L: i find when you're using a pendant you're not looking at it but rather looking at the machine
09:57 AM Tom_L: not sure how helpful the display will be on the pendant
09:58 AM Tom_L: it is cool though
09:58 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> https://www.amazon.de/RUNCCI-YUN-Drehgeber-Potentiometer-Automobilelektronik-Multimedia-Audio/dp/B09SG3HF9N/ref=sr_1_7
09:58 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> https://www.amazon.de/Encoder-Handrad-manuelle-Steuerung-CNC-System/dp/B07TY3P1PQ/ref=sr_1_18
09:58 AM Tom_L: have you included those on the github page?
09:59 AM Tom_L: that might be helpful
09:59 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> looks better with display and costs not so much 🙂
10:00 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> all on github: https://github.com/multigcs/linuxcnc-mpg
10:01 AM Tom_L: cool
10:03 AM Tom_L: silkscreen some letters on the buttons http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:443/~webpage/cnc/pendant/new/Pendant1.jpg
10:05 AM Tom_L: unless you could print a single layer for the lettering... not sure how well that would work
10:07 AM Tom_L: i made a silkscreen for these: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:443/~webpage/boards/USBTiny_Mkii/silkscreen/silk_batch.jpg
10:07 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> you need a laser!
10:07 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> and so do I!
10:07 AM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:443/~webpage/boards/USBTiny_Mkii/silkscreen/lettered.jpg
10:07 AM Tom_L: they turned out pretty good
10:07 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> they did!
10:08 AM Tom_L: uv paint
10:08 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> we have pretty much converted to all uv cured ink here..
10:08 AM Tom_L: just passing along some ideas
10:08 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> and LED instead of bulbs for curing. way less heat.
10:09 AM Tom_L: somebody sent me some fishtank bulbs i used
10:15 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> very cool !
10:21 AM Tom_L: not hard to make a silkscreen
10:21 AM Tom_L: not practical for just one off
10:31 AM * JT-Cave has a laser but has not used it in a while
10:32 AM JT-Cave: is that blue case printed?
10:32 AM Tom_L: no it's a hammond case
10:32 AM Tom_L: i have a whole bag full left
10:33 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> hmmm, laser could work
10:33 AM JT-Cave: I know how that goes, I have a lot of components left over from building Spyder things
10:34 AM Tom_L: https://www.hammfg.com/electronics/small-case/plastic/1591t
10:34 AM Tom_L: not the same one but the company
10:34 AM * JT-Cave heads to empire to see why a plc has a fault light on
10:34 AM Tom_L: woopsie
10:51 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> probably because there is power going to the fault light.. Duh..
11:27 AM xxcoder: lucid yeah. I guess pi 500 is just too profitable or something
11:28 AM peter__: <skunkworks8841@> always so helpful!
11:32 AM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> That'll be 2000 money units for diagnosis.
11:36 AM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> I have a pitop, got a pi 4 in it atm, but keyboard stopped working. Pretty sure the flex connector is toast, may try to fix it at some point
11:36 AM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Probably not though.
12:00 PM * rdtsc-w has been thinking rpi4 --> small LCD --> smart digital multimeter
12:02 PM xxcoder: wouldnt rpi zero 2 be plenty for that
12:10 PM rdtsc-w: possibly, but wanted more horsepower to do things like measure DC volts but also display AC RMS
12:10 PM rdtsc-w: simultaneously
12:10 PM xxcoder: ok. rpi zero 2 is as powerful as rpi 3, but I dont know if that would be plenty lol
12:12 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Rpi zero feeding into rpi4 might be ideal, rpi4 a bit more subject to random os loads
12:15 PM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> how smart should it be ? zero is more than enough for that, but RPI's have no ADC 🙂
12:20 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Or https://www.amazon.co.uk/Waveshare-Microcontroller-Development-Single-Core-Processor/dp/B0DHTMYTCY/
12:21 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Been meaning to try one
12:42 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> https://youtu.be/RPFhJaIbJy4?si=KZhO6pt9glyPUSfL also considering building one of these
12:42 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Or an AR4
01:07 PM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> parol6 is cool
01:10 PM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-ryCizPUg8s
01:11 PM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> 😎 😇
01:16 PM rdtsc-w: :)
01:19 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> meisterdippel@: Whoa cool, so you run it with linuxcnc?
01:21 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Even something simple like turn over for second op then reload stock would be really cool, or swap build plates in a printer
01:22 PM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> the parol is not very stiff
01:22 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Yeah I can imagine, could always replace the printed parts with aluminium I suppose
01:23 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> What filament did you use?
01:24 PM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> PETG
01:24 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Ok good for toughness, but a bit flexy
01:26 PM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> yes, with the original setup, the stepper are very hot
01:28 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Right, I recently bought some PAHT CF, but haven't tried ut yet, supposedly high temp resistance
01:29 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Really though, some mini servos would be the thing
01:29 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Like odrive
01:31 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> I suppose the mainboard is step direction, so could feed it into servos instead easily
01:31 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> With absolute encoders
01:42 PM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> i use mks-servo42 closed-loop-stepper with step/dir
01:42 PM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> but if you need a robot, never print one, buy an old and retrofit
01:44 PM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> you want metal parts and real harmonic-drives
01:44 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Yeah, been thinking about it
01:45 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> My programming and electronics skills are sort of at the point of knowing what I need to know, but not knowing them though
01:46 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> I can whip together a bunch of unrelated internet snippets and get something that works eventually
01:47 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> On the plus side I have a very underdeveloped sense of self-preservation
01:55 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> That EO was running industrial robots off an odrive is nuts, I have a 3.6 odrive set up with the bldc motor they sold and a planetary gearbox
01:56 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Maybe I should try and run the Fanuc 480v 5.5kw spindle motor I have from it for shits and gigles
02:00 PM * rdtsc-w O.O
02:01 PM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> EO is building its own servo drives now, with >300v
02:01 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Yes I saw, from humble beginnings
02:03 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> FYI, my fanuc 90v brake motor unlocks at around 38v, so have a 48v psu for that purpose
02:05 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Suppose if you're too close, heat may ensue
02:10 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> https://i.postimg.cc/Rh9h4ZtD/20250926-195555.jpg guess I'm not allowed to move for the rest of the night
02:28 PM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> https://hackaday.com/2025/09/26/robot-bartender-is-the-life-of-the-party/
02:29 PM xxcoder: lol. good dog!
03:05 PM lcnc-relay: <xilef4@> Hey, I need some help with some technical things. I have a Mesa 7i96S and a Balluff BTL0KEJ. Can I use them together?
03:10 PM pcw__: Looks like a linear sensor, what interface does it use?
03:12 PM lcnc-relay: <xilef4@> I'm not sure, I can search the datasheet if you want.
03:13 PM pcw__: Do you have the full part number?
03:14 PM lcnc-relay: <xilef4@> BTL6-E500-M0200-PF-S115 This?
03:15 PM JT-Mobile: Yo
03:17 PM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> Analogausgang Analog, Strom 4…20 mA
03:18 PM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> maybe via analog input, but not for good positioning feedback
03:18 PM pcw__: Yeah, a bit awkward to get high precision from that
03:18 PM pcw__: The 7I96S can do SSI, Fanuc, or BISS absolute but analog is s stretch
03:30 PM lcnc-relay: <xilef4@> So there's no practical way to use it?
03:32 PM lcnc-relay: <xilef4@> What do you think, how accurate can it get through the analog output?
03:32 PM lcnc-relay: <xilef4@> And thanks for the help ^^
03:32 PM pcw__: Not easily, It also has up to 0.2mm of non-linearity
03:32 PM Tom_L: what's the published resolution?
03:33 PM Tom_L: probably not all that great
03:34 PM pcw__: 700 nA so about 22000 counts/200 mm so about 9 u resolution at best
03:36 PM pcw__: with that and the linearity and difficulty of interfacing, probably not worth bothering with unless you like to tinker
03:38 PM pcw__: If it were a model with a standard absolute interface it would be different but it still does not seem to be a very precise scale (magnetostrictive delay line I think)
03:39 PM pcw__: probably very rugged and dirt resistant however
03:43 PM lcnc-relay: <xilef4@> pcw__: Yes
03:43 PM roycroft: grr
03:43 PM roycroft: i was getting excited
03:43 PM roycroft: i need a new temperature controller for a device, and went to auber instruments to look at them - that's who i usually use for pid controllers
03:44 PM lcnc-relay: <xilef4@> "I’ve got two lying around here, that’s why I’m asking such dumb questions xD
03:44 PM roycroft: they have a nice one with ramp/soak capability, which i need, and i saw they now have wifi versions of many of their controllers, which is what got me excited
03:44 PM roycroft: then i found out that the *only* intereface to them is via a smart phone app
03:45 PM roycroft: not just for initial provisioning, but after it's provisioned for the local network as well
03:45 PM roycroft: who does stuff like that?
03:45 PM roycroft: they claim to make "industrial" controllers
03:45 PM roycroft: does industry now hire technicians who do all their work on their phones?
03:47 PM lcnc-relay: <xilef4@> Can't you still access it through Home Assistant or something like that?
03:48 PM roycroft: i don't know
03:48 PM roycroft: that's actually how i would access it
03:49 PM roycroft: i'm trying to find out if it's a proprietary interface
03:49 PM roycroft: i can't just access it with a web browser, though
03:49 PM roycroft: and i'm assuming i can't smnp query it
03:49 PM roycroft: snmp
04:00 PM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> roycroft: link ?
04:01 PM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> most cheap wlan devices have an esp inside
04:03 PM xxcoder: I would guess some of those have projects assocated with it that hacks it so you dont need to use internet or phone app.
04:12 PM roycroft: yes, many of them do
04:12 PM roycroft: but this is kind of a niche product, and not as likely to have such third-party support
04:12 PM roycroft: auberins.com
04:12 PM roycroft: look for their wifi pid controllers
04:21 PM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> But you've found an expensive site., the non wifi version on amazon: https://www.amazon.de/WANGCL-Intelligenter-K-Thermoelement-elektrische-F%C3%A4kalientanks/dp/B0B8HGNXWJ/ref=sr_1_6
04:22 PM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> 7euro on aliexpress 😂
04:28 PM roycroft: auber instruments have non wifi versions
04:28 PM roycroft: i've been using them for years
04:28 PM roycroft: and they are much less expensive than the wifi versions
04:29 PM roycroft: i do not purchase on aliexpress
04:29 PM roycroft: especially now that we're in tariffville
04:33 PM roycroft: i have an amazon marketplace order, btw, that is stuck in los angeles right now, and has been for two weeks
04:34 PM roycroft: when i purchased the item it did not indicate that it would ship from overseas, and in fact i was quoted a delivery date two days hence
04:34 PM roycroft: inidicating that it was warehoused in the us
04:34 PM roycroft: then i got a china post tracking number
04:34 PM roycroft: it got to la, but it's not been released because the tariff has not been paid
04:35 PM roycroft: the seller said that's not their problem - it's mine
04:35 PM xxcoder: yeah fake local businesses is getting real annoying
04:35 PM roycroft: amazon are trying to work something out, but in the end, i expect i'll be refunded for the amount i paid, but i'll get no compensation for the time i've wasted and the inconvenience of not having the item
04:38 PM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> in germany amazon is very fast , mostly 1 day delivery
04:39 PM xxcoder: theres tons of "american" companies on say ebay or amazon but really is shipped from china
04:40 PM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> ok, i only order from amazon warehouses (prime)
04:41 PM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> chine to germany needs ~10days
04:41 PM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> china
04:45 PM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> so, i go to bed, gn8
04:50 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> comparing Auber and generic pid controls off Amazon, I really like the way the Aubers work a lot better.
04:50 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> a lot easier to read the manual, also
04:52 PM roycroft: as well, i'll be heating flammable oils to their smoke point, which is not far from their combustion point
04:52 PM roycroft: i don't think i want to trust that kind of temperature control to a generic $6 pid
04:53 PM roycroft: i've been using auber instruments pid controllers for a very long time
04:53 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> same
04:53 PM roycroft: i have quite a few of them
04:53 PM roycroft: unfortunately, i only have one that has the ramp/soak functionality that i can repurpose for this task
04:53 PM roycroft: and i cannot find it
04:53 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> I bought a couple of the amazon ones in a package deal, and ended up shelving them after a brief trial; pulled an Auber out of a piece of gear I hadn't used in a while, instead
04:54 PM roycroft: i spent my lunch hour looking through boxes in my storage unit and did not find it
04:54 PM roycroft: it's more cost effective for me to just buy another one and build another controller
04:54 PM roycroft: especially since in anticipate this project scaling up over time
04:55 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> I've been delaying putting together another pidbox, lol
04:55 PM roycroft: the wifi version would be great if i had confidence i could monitor it and possibly even control it without using the phone app
04:55 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> need one for temp control on phosphate coating process
04:55 PM roycroft: i don't mind using a phone app for initial provisioning, of course
04:56 PM roycroft: the one i'm looking for is for my heat treating kiln
04:56 PM roycroft: which i haven't used in a couple years
04:56 PM roycroft: and don't anticipate using for a while
04:56 PM roycroft: so i thought i could "borrow" that one for a while
04:58 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> hmm, yeah, I could probably borrow the one off the powdercoating oven
04:59 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> but I do have a spare new box for a control, and the file to cut out the faceplate on the tormach
04:59 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> _checks old brew controller_
04:59 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> heh, one Auber pid left
05:00 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> syl 2352, I think?
05:02 PM roycroft: syl-23x2p is what i need for the current project
05:02 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> the 2352 doesn't do ramp and soak, unfortunately
05:02 PM roycroft: right
05:03 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> I'll eventually have to shell out $$ for one that does, for a heat treat oven
05:03 PM roycroft: when i built my brew system controller the 23x2p was not yet available
05:03 PM roycroft: i've been meaning to replace the rims pid controller with one of those
05:03 PM roycroft: but i don't brew any more, and aim to sell the brew system
05:03 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> lol, same. Old body just doesn't process alcohol very well, anymore
05:04 PM roycroft: so i probably won't end up replacing it, unless i forsee doing so adding more than $72.98 worth of resale value to the controller
05:04 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> I stole a lot of good parts out of the old brew control
05:04 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> figured I'd repurpose the kettles for hot bluing or something
05:05 PM roycroft: i was in mid-rebuild of the brew stand when covid hit
05:05 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> maybe anodising
05:05 PM roycroft: i put the rebuild on hold, and never got back to it, as i've not brewed since covid
05:05 PM roycroft: during covid i did not want to brew, because i was unable to share with others, and figured if i were brewing beer i'd just sit around drinking it all day, every day
05:06 PM roycroft: and after covid i had moved on to other things
05:07 PM roycroft: currently, i'd be interested in brewing again, but i do not have the space for the brewing gear
05:07 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> I got to a point where one or two normal strength (5-7%) beers would leave me still feeling after effects 2-3 days later. Figured it was time to hang that up.
05:07 PM roycroft: nor even for my kegerator
05:07 PM roycroft: all that stuff is in storage, and i'm paying monthly to store it
05:07 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> oof
05:07 PM roycroft: i really need to vacate at least one of the storage units soon
05:08 PM roycroft: so there may be a fire sale on some nice brewing gear soon
05:08 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> kinda sucks that marketplace and CL both outlawed selling brewing stuff
05:08 PM roycroft: did they?
05:08 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> yeah
05:08 PM roycroft: i wasn't aware of that
05:08 PM roycroft: now i don't know how i'll sell the stuff
05:09 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> people still do it, but ads can get flagged and pulled
05:09 PM roycroft: unless i market it as other than brewing gear
05:09 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> yup
05:09 PM roycroft: i just gathered up all my corny kegs, and am about to list them
05:09 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> and/or a flyer on the bulletin board at the brew supply
05:09 PM roycroft: they can be used for sodas, of course
05:09 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> of course
05:09 PM roycroft: so i guess i'll sell them as that
05:09 PM roycroft: i have about 30
05:10 PM roycroft: and they go for $40 each
05:10 PM roycroft: so it's worth selling them, for sure
05:10 PM roycroft: odd that brewing gear would be banned
05:10 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> I should put mine up, too, and maybe the co2 tank and regulator. I just strongly dislike dealing with people on sales forums
05:10 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> right?
05:10 PM roycroft: i have 3 co2 tanks
05:11 PM roycroft: i'll keep one, because it's useful to have co2 around
05:11 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> popular with the weed growers, I think?
05:11 PM roycroft: so?
05:11 PM roycroft: it's legal to grow weed here
05:11 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> wasn't commenting on that, I just meant other uses than brewing
05:12 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> lol, you don't remember me, do you?
05:12 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> you gave us tickets to Sco-Mule some years ago, as I recall
05:13 PM roycroft: oh, yeah - you have a new nick now :)
05:14 PM roycroft: sure i remember you, now that i know who you are
05:14 PM roycroft: you're longtail
05:14 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> (thanks for the tickets, again, that was a memorable show)
05:14 PM roycroft: yeah, it was a good show
05:14 PM roycroft: so i just looked at the cl list of prohibited items, and while alcohol itself is prohibited, it says nothing about brewing supplies
05:15 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> Eric is no longer among the living, unfortunately. He passed a couple of years ago, esophagial cancer
05:15 PM roycroft: sorry to hear that
05:16 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> maybe I'm wrong about the brewing stuff being blacklisted, I hope so.
05:16 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> was just something I was told when I mentioned listing my stuff
05:17 PM roycroft: and it appears to be a grey area on fb marketplace
05:17 PM roycroft: "kits for making alcohol" are prohibited
05:17 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> hmm
05:17 PM roycroft: but a brew system is not a "kit"
05:17 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> I would interpret that to mean as long as there's no ingredients, it's ok
05:17 PM roycroft: i.e. there are no ingredients in it
05:18 PM roycroft: but they also say that "promotes the buy, sell, donation, and trade of alcohol"[sic] is prohibited
05:18 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> but with the automation of everything, all it takes is someone flagging it
05:18 PM roycroft: and arguably a brew system could promote the trading or donating of alcohol
05:18 PM roycroft: yes
05:20 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> probably don't need all these glass carboys, either
05:20 PM roycroft: they will be going up for sale too
05:20 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> "Glass carboys, for making sun tea"
05:21 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> 19 liters
05:21 PM roycroft: in fact, the carboys and corny kegs are the things that will be both the easiest to sell, and will clear out the most space in the storage unit the fastest
05:21 PM roycroft: i have two 20' cargo containers as my storage units
05:21 PM roycroft: and i'd like to consolidate into one as soon as possible
05:21 PM roycroft: when i get my new shop roof finished i'll have lots of loft storage
05:22 PM roycroft: between that and selling off the kegs/carboys i should be able to move into a single container
05:22 PM roycroft: the kegerator and brew system can wait
05:22 PM roycroft: i sold that tig welder a while ago, btw
05:22 PM roycroft: i just did not use it enough
05:22 PM roycroft: but i'm also kind of sad that i don't have it
05:23 PM roycroft: i got a bigger gmaw welder a couple years ago, though, and i'm keeping that
05:23 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> I have a welding cart with a mig, and a tig/stick unit. Nothing fancy, but I use it enough that it's worth the space
05:23 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> added a lot of woodworking stuff this year
05:23 PM roycroft: since i moved i have no space for metal fabrication
05:24 PM roycroft: my mill/drill is in storage
05:24 PM roycroft: my welding gear is in storage
05:24 PM roycroft: i'm focused on the woodworking side, as that's how i plan on making my living soon
05:25 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> been working towards being able to do kumiko, we'll see if it sells or not
05:25 PM roycroft: i'm hoping to build an extension for my shop next year
05:25 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> but I want a few pieces of that around the place
05:25 PM roycroft: and if i do get that done, i *may* have room for the brew system
05:27 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I am no good at making money.. It is funny - people will come here and see the equipment and wonder why I don't have my own business.. My dad tried. he descied he didn't need the headache..
05:28 PM roycroft: https://roycroft.us/Shoji-Lamp/Shoji-Lamp-2.jpeg
05:28 PM roycroft: my apologies for the lousy picture
05:28 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> I'm just not great at the networking and sales side of business. I love making stuff
05:28 PM roycroft: but that's a lamp i made with kumiko panels
05:28 PM roycroft: https://roycroft.us/Shoji-Lamp/Shoji-Lamp-3.jpeg
05:28 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> nice!
05:29 PM roycroft: it's a lot of work
05:29 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> weird parallels
05:29 PM roycroft: i do not use my shaper origin to do that
05:29 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> and by weird parallels, I just mean stuff we're both doing
05:29 PM roycroft: i think the shaper "kumkio" stuff is wretched at best
05:29 PM roycroft: kumiko, rather
05:29 PM roycroft: yeah
05:29 PM roycroft: mine are all hand-cut individual pieces
05:29 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> yeah, I figured my table saw and the jointer are about as much power tools as I will use
05:30 PM roycroft: and i think aesthetically that lamp looks really good
05:30 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> agree
05:30 PM roycroft: the kumiko pieces are 2mm wide, and the lattice work is 3mm wide
05:30 PM roycroft: and i think that makes all thd difference
05:31 PM roycroft: i see so much kumiko that's really thick, and it just looks horrible
05:31 PM roycroft: that's also real "rice paper" (which is actually made of mulberry fibers) from japan
05:31 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> I like how you can see veins in it
05:31 PM roycroft: not that synthetic crap taht so many use
05:32 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> if I could figure out a consistent way to make money fixing up and selling old machines, I would love that
05:32 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> it's very satisfying, bringing a hunk of rust back into beauty and service
05:33 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> been keeping my eyes out for a shaper that needs some love
05:34 PM roycroft: https://roycroft.us/Andon/
05:34 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> mainly just to have a solid way to do internal keyways
05:34 PM roycroft: there's some construction photos
05:35 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> I love that style of tenon
05:35 PM roycroft: i'm actually pretty set for tools now, i think
05:35 PM roycroft: i just spent a buttload of money on a new paint spray system
05:35 PM roycroft: and that was the final bit to round out what i need to do production woodworking
05:36 PM roycroft: i really like that lamp, and i have modified the design to make different sizes
05:36 PM roycroft: but with the same basic joinery
05:36 PM roycroft: that is something i intend to market
05:36 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> are you mainly going to sell locally, like craft fairs, or more of an online presence?
05:36 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> old machines? https://photos.app.goo.gl/PNhgtC56Ec6cyMY38
05:37 PM roycroft: both local and online
05:37 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> skunkworks8841@: is that the right pic?
05:37 PM roycroft: and i'm working on some products that i would wholesale
05:37 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> lol - no.. odd
05:37 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> better? https://photos.app.goo.gl/3Ap7JYQujFJRU1DX8
05:38 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> yup!
05:38 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> I haven't seen many horizontal machining centers with atc's
05:40 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/726673096802945/?ref=search&referral_code=null&referral_story_type=post&tracking=browse_serp%3Aba4e86ec-0a3e-48cb-ab9d-9ecd8e446d26
05:40 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> that is from the 60's
05:40 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> hopefully my link works
05:40 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> 40's vintage shaper in very nice condition
05:40 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> nicer than I would buy, to be sure
05:41 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzI0_iZ4cgo
05:43 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> mmm, verrah nize
05:43 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> gemco
05:43 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> I'm think about a 7"-8" one would be a good size for my shop, so as not to take up too much space.
05:43 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> good sized shop, but not infinite
05:44 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> and yeah, I've heard the old saw about " you can make anything you want on a shaper. Except money"
05:44 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> but they're col, and that's all the reason I need.
05:44 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> * cool,
05:44 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> there is a guy close to me that cnc'ed a shaper to make splines..
05:45 PM roycroft: quinn (blondihacks) got a small shaper not too long ago
05:45 PM roycroft: she's the second person in history to ever make money with a shaper, the first being abom79
05:45 PM roycroft: both do it by showcasing it on their youtube videos
05:45 PM roycroft: but quinn uses it every week now
05:45 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> right
05:45 PM roycroft: abom rarely used his any more
05:45 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> she loves it 🙂
05:46 PM roycroft: if i had the time and the space i'd get one
05:46 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I have yet to use it.. but I have been busy with life things
05:46 PM roycroft: it would be heaps of fun to use
05:46 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> dad used it a lot before he had a mill
05:46 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> mainly I just see it as useful for keyways
05:46 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> that was the first 'machine' he bought for his machine shop
05:47 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I should say - first 'big iron' machine he bought.
05:47 PM roycroft: well it's officially the weekend
05:47 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> 3 days off, here
05:47 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> he had a little atlas lathe and drill press..
05:47 PM roycroft: i should get out to the shop and work on templates for the timber frame
05:47 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> enjoy
05:47 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> 🙂
05:47 PM roycroft: it's going to be really interesting erecting this new roof
05:48 PM roycroft: hoisting 16' green 6x8s up onto the top of the shop by myself
05:48 PM roycroft: i have a cunning plan though, and i think it will work
05:48 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> if you need help when it comes time for heavy lifting, give me a shout
05:48 PM roycroft: if not, i'll be hurt or dead, or the shop and/or its contents will be damaged, or the shop will get rained on and everything inside destroyed
05:49 PM roycroft: ok
05:49 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> so no pressure, right?
05:49 PM roycroft: i'm not in eugene any more though
05:49 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> lol
05:49 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> oh, where'd ya go?
05:49 PM roycroft: oakridge
05:49 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> Tennessee?
05:49 PM roycroft: probably about the same distance, if you take the mohawk connector
05:49 PM roycroft: no, oregon
05:49 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> lol, ok
05:49 PM roycroft: on highway 58
05:50 PM roycroft: to find it from where you live, head south, and when you smell smoke, you're close
05:50 PM roycroft: actually, the air quality has improved quite a bit recently
05:51 PM roycroft: i actually saw stars in the night sky last week for the first time in months
05:51 PM roycroft: we have way more stars here than eugene does, btw
05:51 PM roycroft: when we can see them
05:52 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> super blue skys here today.. just a tinge of smoke around the horizon..
05:53 PM roycroft: the emigrant fire is around 35000 acres now, but it's not growing nearly as rapidly as it was
05:53 PM roycroft: and the fire danger has gone down from "extremely high" to "high"
05:53 PM roycroft: so maybe we're rounding the corner on fire season
05:57 PM roycroft: lesliet: my shop roof is going to be a kind of hybrid timber frame/conventional design
05:57 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> be nice to breathe clean air again
05:57 PM roycroft: hence the big, heavy timbers
05:57 PM roycroft: https://roycroft.us/Shop/Roof_Frame_Render_1.jpeg
05:57 PM roycroft: that's an earlier render of the design - it's changed a bit, but is very similar to that
05:58 PM roycroft: the current shop roof is very low pitch, underbuilt, and failing
05:58 PM roycroft: i want some loft storage and some more overhead room, so i'm going with a gambrel roof
05:58 PM roycroft: and the timber framing is just so i don't have to have a bunch of trusses
05:59 PM roycroft: for reference, it's 14' wide, 24' long, and the roof is about 7' high
05:59 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> I ended up financing a steel roof on the shop, here. Not really any overhead storage, unless I build it, but at least it's dry inside.
05:59 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> yours is going to look really cool
06:00 PM roycroft: yeah, it's a really weird design, but i think it will look great and, as importantly, it will work great for me
06:00 PM roycroft: next spring i want to put a cupola on top
06:01 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> slowly working on insulating, and sheetrocking, along with power distribution
06:01 PM roycroft: 'cuz they are cool, and because it will create some natural airflow that will help a lot
06:01 PM roycroft: yeah, i have all that stuff to do
06:01 PM roycroft: but i have to get the roof done first
06:01 PM roycroft: and the rainy season is almost here
06:01 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> else everything else rots
06:01 PM roycroft: this was supposed to be an august project, but it's turned into an october projecdt
06:02 PM roycroft: i'm ok with that
06:02 PM roycroft: and i bought a 30' x 40' heavy duty tarp
06:02 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> I think I've finally got mine mostly rodent proofed
06:02 PM roycroft: as soon as i get rady to tear off the old roof i'll get that tarp set up first
06:02 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> heh, yeah, I went a couple of years with tarps
06:02 PM roycroft: it's going to take me weeks to do the joinery
06:02 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> this pole barn looks like it was owner built, and not very well.
06:03 PM roycroft: but once that's done, i should be able to get the timber frame part put up in a weekend by myself
06:03 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> but the floor is concrete
06:03 PM roycroft: and a few days of after work sessions to get the rafters in place
06:03 PM roycroft: then sheathing the following weekend
06:03 PM roycroft: so it will go fast once i am done with the timber frame joinery
06:03 PM roycroft: my shop has a concrete floor as well :(
06:04 PM roycroft: fixing that is down the road
06:04 PM roycroft: and i'm not sure what i want to do
06:04 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> watched a video once of Japanese house construction, and it amazed me
06:04 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> the level of care and detail
06:04 PM roycroft: yup
06:04 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> I'm happy enough with concrete for my purposes
06:05 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> solid, for larger machines
06:05 PM roycroft: i could not get 26' beams for the sill plates for the shop
06:05 PM roycroft: so i have to splice a couple 16' beams together for that
06:05 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> roycroft: https://photos.app.goo.gl/AAWs2uLtVSw8mHgH9
06:06 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> https://photos.app.goo.gl/oykNi579rKMEJgDx8
06:06 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> https://photos.app.goo.gl/GD6P6ysw9SG6ig719
06:08 PM roycroft: i'm doing a render of the final roof deck design right now
06:09 PM roycroft: cool pic, skunkworks8841
06:09 PM roycroft: those are pretty old - like from the '50s or '60s
06:09 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> late 70's early 80's
06:11 PM roycroft: really?
06:11 PM roycroft: the photos did not age well then
06:11 PM JT-Shop: roycroft, you could not get glue lam beams for that ?
06:11 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> no
06:12 PM roycroft: that would not work well
06:12 PM roycroft: this is a timber frame structure
06:15 PM roycroft: the render is done, but now i'm waiting for the file to sync so i can upload it
06:21 PM roycroft: https://roycroft.us/Roof_Deck_Render.jpeg
06:21 PM roycroft: that's the final design for the roof deck
06:21 PM roycroft: i'm using a japanese scarf joint to connect the two long plate timbers
06:21 PM JT-Shop: that looks like a flat wooden boat deck
06:21 PM roycroft: it will have a rectangular hopening in the middle of the joint that will be wedged to draw it in from the side
06:22 PM JT-Shop: I see that in the back board
06:22 PM roycroft: and there will be two pegs in the top
06:22 PM roycroft: yes
06:22 PM JT-Shop: pretty cool
06:22 PM roycroft: i changed the material from doug fir to cherry on the back left board, so that the joint would be visible
06:22 PM roycroft: but i'm not really getting a 16' cherry 6x8
06:22 PM roycroft: i can't afford that :)
06:23 PM roycroft: not to mention it would be very hard to find - cherry doesn't usually get that big
06:23 PM roycroft: i'm actually working on that scarf joint template now
06:23 PM roycroft: or, at least, when i get up and head out to the shop in a couple minutes
06:24 PM roycroft: the timbers are over length, so i want to do the scarf joints first
06:24 PM roycroft: that way, if i screw them up, i may still be able to salvage the timbers
06:24 PM roycroft: i'm not planning on screwing them up, though
06:25 PM roycroft: the whole goal of this project is to create a lot of overhead space, which is why the whole middle is left open, and the lofts are only in the corners
06:25 PM * roycroft decides it's time to go finish the template now
06:44 PM xxcoder: roycroft: build a while house out of cherry ;)
06:44 PM xxcoder: whew tank wringling is done for now
06:47 PM * JT-Shop calls it a day
07:17 PM lcnc-relay: <lesliet@> it's amusing how many facebook market ads I see for used Harbor Freight tools where they're asking more than the new price
07:42 PM xxcoder: lure for stupid
07:50 PM roycroft: cherry would be a poor wood for framing
07:50 PM roycroft: even if it were cheap
07:50 PM roycroft: douglas fir is arguably the best wood for timber framing
07:50 PM xxcoder: lol ok
07:50 PM roycroft: with sitka spruce, southern yellow pine, and white oak as the main other contenders
07:52 PM roycroft: cherry is not very strong and not very hard
07:52 PM xxcoder: its best for looks I guess
07:52 PM roycroft: it's great for non-structural stuff
07:52 PM roycroft: like furniture and millwork
07:52 PM roycroft: it's pretty on a floor, but it's not very durable as flooring
07:54 PM roycroft: the scarf joint jig is done, and i think it will work fine, but i won't know for sure until i make a test scarf joint
07:58 PM roycroft: so i'm doing some heavy work on some very heavy timbers for this project, and needed some beefier sawhorses to be able to do that
07:58 PM roycroft: https://roycroft.us/Sawhorses/Sawhorses1.jpeg
07:58 PM roycroft: https://roycroft.us/Sawhorses/Sawhorses2.jpeg
07:58 PM xxcoder: that looks cool. just made em or already had?
07:59 PM roycroft: i made them for this project
07:59 PM roycroft: the cross beams are new wood, but the ends are some old growth clear cedar that i had that came with the house
08:00 PM roycroft: i was actually rather distressed when i discovered what they were
08:00 PM roycroft: they had been a workbench in the shop, and covered with paint and all sorts of goop
08:00 PM roycroft: i had no idea what the wood was until i started cleaning it up, after i had rough cut all the pieces out
08:01 PM roycroft: if i had any idea it was clear old growth cedar i'd have done something else with it
08:01 PM roycroft: either saved it for something really special or sold it
08:01 PM roycroft: but oh well, now i have the fanciest sawhorses one can imagine having
08:01 PM xxcoder: ouch. well it looks good, and will last for quite long time. wear wood being different and more easily sourced
08:02 PM roycroft: yeah, and i'm going to use a really good preservative on them, so they will last forever
08:02 PM roycroft: a pine tar and linseed oil mix
08:03 PM roycroft: that will repel insects, and add moisture and uv resistance
09:04 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> we just paint the house with spent motor oil...
09:08 PM Tom_L: regular or synthetic? :)
09:14 PM roycroft: the pine tar offers uv resistance
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