#linuxcnc Logs

Sep 09 2025

01:51 AM Deejay: moin
04:30 AM Tom_L: morning
12:31 PM JT-Cave: both of my websites went down and I can't connect with filezilla bummer
12:57 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> the whole internet seems a bit off today
01:00 PM Tom_L: gnipsel is ok
01:01 PM Tom_L: the store is ok but slow
01:52 PM JT-Shop: finally back up
03:13 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> So whats the deal with the forum? Is it the software or the server?
03:14 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> forum is up here
03:15 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Yeah, just thinking in general, it's pretty flakey and slow
03:15 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> I realise there's a considerable amount of data on there by now
03:15 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> nope - just went down
03:16 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> What's the hosting situation?
03:18 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> I don't really have a clue how the project is organised except for a vague idea of who are the most hardworking peeps
03:19 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> there is this guy - you see - that hosts the forum.. He hasn't been on for years...
03:19 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> it used to be dreamhost.. iirc
03:19 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Ok, are there other members who have admin access?
03:20 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> as far as I know - but I don't know how deep of admin access they have..
03:20 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> it usually get straitened out after a bit.
03:21 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> I'm suggesting I might be willing to male a financial contribution to improve the website infrastructure, who do I talk to?
03:22 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> * make
03:24 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> The first rule of LCNC Admin Club is to not talk about LCNC Admin Club. 🙂
03:25 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Haha
03:25 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Not even though give them money?
03:25 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> * to
03:26 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> This comes up a couple of times a year. For as long as I can recall.
03:29 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> I can understand that, is it a server hardware/link issue or admin/backend software limitation?
03:33 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> What really needs a fix is the Editor for the forum
03:35 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> But it's part of kunena
03:35 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> Kunena.org
03:36 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Yeah, just had a look at it, imagine a migration would be fairly painful if there were better alternatives
03:39 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> Not sure what hardware it's running on but I think the host has been paid for many years in advance.
03:40 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> It runs but it just gets stuck running slow for a few minutes from time to time
03:43 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> LCNC is run by volunteers vs voluntolds
03:47 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> https://www.kunena.org/docs/en/troubleshooting/improving-performance
03:48 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> "If your site runs relatively fast most of the time, but has some major slowdowns when there are a lot of active users on your site, your server is most likely running out of CPU, memory or I/O. "
03:49 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Getcha any info on the specs of the current server?
03:49 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> nope
03:50 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> might even be virtual
03:53 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> I recently bought a dedicated server for my own use with hetzner, pretty high specs, but I am not qualified to run an important server like yours, could pay for a few years as a thank you though.
03:54 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> one of the issues in the past was since the devs that manage the forums ans wiki are in the USA there was no efficient way of collecting donations
03:56 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> CC processing fees were just too greedy
03:59 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> lots have stated they would contribute a few monies monthly but the cost of processing payments killed that idea
04:00 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> maybe there is some low cost payment processor in the US now
04:02 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> https://www.chime.com/ maybe
04:03 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> https://www.chime.com/online-banking/pay-anyone/
04:03 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Ok, I also appreciate you all are contributing on top of whatever other commitments you have, so can understand there's limited time and energy for websites
04:06 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> I was more thinking, you guys say what server package you need, let me know the cost, company sends me the invoice for three years
04:06 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> As in pay three years in advance
04:06 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> there are some long term users that have made donations to cover years of we hosting, so there is also the issue of changing hosts when one is already paid for
04:06 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> we/web
04:07 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> and then the time spent to migrate
04:08 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Yeah, absolutely it's not a trivial task, would be good to know if the current host can offer an upgrade with minimal pain
04:09 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> ask on the devel mail list
04:10 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> maybe it's renewal time soon, maybe someone just paid 5 years, last month for renewal
04:10 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> also ask on the forum
04:11 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Ok, cool, just subscribed
04:12 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> most of the time it's just users in here helping each other out
04:13 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> some have been users for 20+ years, others just started
04:16 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Yeah, I don't really have the coding skills to contribute anything meaningful, but if I can help with niggles like this I'd be happy to
04:17 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Unless you tell me that the traffic is 5000 petabytes a week
04:17 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Then I wouldn't be happy.
04:20 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> hosting the iso's takes up lots of bandwidth, i don't recall ever hearing about how many downloads or GBytes a month the severs transfer
04:21 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Yeah, I can imagine, are they hosted on the same server as the forums and wiki?
04:22 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> maybe less now that LCNC is in Debian packages vs only as an ISO
04:23 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> I seem to recall that they are at different host but now really sure
04:24 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Ok, well if whoever is handling the server stuff wants to drop me dm, please do so.
04:26 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> now I am out of bandwidth 🙂
04:26 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> hasta banana
04:26 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Haha, thanks for your time
04:39 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> the buildbots are hosted in sebs garage..
04:40 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Very appropriate
04:41 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Websites are so prone to continuous attacks thoigh, O imagine it's easier to offload that to a hosting company
04:41 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> * I
04:42 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> * though,
04:55 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> After a bit of searching, seems like discourse would have a significant performance boost compared to kunena, obviously involves a lot of time investment for whoever takes it on, but seems there's inbuilt tools in discourse for the task
04:56 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> What scares me about web stuff is always security and privacy concerns
04:59 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Depends a lot on the jurisdiction of the server I guess too. US is more lax on content, but very litigenous in general, EU, very strict on privacy.
05:08 PM JT-Shop: if you're talking about the forum it runs on Joomla
05:11 PM JT-Shop: crap a guy bought a 5i25T and has a pcie slot so he wants to return it... here we go again...
05:12 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Yeah, the Joomla forum is called Kunena
05:12 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> JT-Shop: Speaking of whicb
05:12 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> * which
05:13 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Ordered a bunch of Mesa stuff from EUsurplus last few weeks
05:14 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Has there been any talk of a UK distributor lately? Hell of a hassle since Brexit
05:14 PM JT-Shop: so what ever forum has to run in Joomla
05:15 PM JT-Shop: I ship to the UK
05:15 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> JT-Shop: Uhm, no don't think so, it just makes it easier
05:17 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> JT-Shop: That still involves customs and time, these days, most things are make a drunken order at 1am and have it delivered 12 hours later 😅
05:20 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Underlyingly it's just apache with a management script, most hosting services allow full ssh control to install and configure however you want
05:22 PM JT-Shop: I don't know much about Joomla or understand much about how it works even though I guess I'm in charge
05:22 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> JT-Shop: Ok, must be a lot of work
05:24 PM JT-Shop: my problem is I don't have access to the host panel so I can't backup the database or purge it so I gave up
05:25 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Nice thing about joomla and systems like it, is it does all the config for you, but it also locks you into their selection of pacakges
05:25 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> * packages
05:25 PM JT-Shop: yup
05:26 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> JT-Shop: Ah, that sucks, so the admin access is lost?
05:26 PM JT-Shop: only the guy that pays has access
05:27 PM JT-Shop: I have seen some emails from him in the dev mailing list lately
05:28 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Ok good, most hosts allow multiple admin accounts though
05:28 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Might not be in this case
05:29 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Like the financial ownership account management is seperate from the sysafmin stuff
05:30 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> With a dedicated server it should be just like a local Linux system
05:30 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Even a lot of virtual servers
05:31 PM JT-Shop: it's on digitalocean in a droplet whatever that is
05:31 PM JT-Shop: I actually pay for the forum every month
05:33 PM JT-Shop: so I have access to the billing, sftp, joomla but not the digitalocean panel
05:34 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Ok, had a quick look, seems it might be more small enterprise aimed rather than a popular open source enterprise
05:35 PM JT-Shop: what did you look at?
05:35 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> If you have all that access they should be able to give you a reset for the admin I'd imagine
05:36 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> https://www.digitalocean.com/products/droplets
05:37 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> This dynamic scaling idea, small business goes a bit viral for a while, rather than continous activity from the defacto standard open source cnc platform
05:40 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Their website seems a bit difficult to navigate, none of the products seem to say, dedicated server, all these resources belong to you continuously sort of thing.
05:41 PM JT-Shop: joomla control panel Error
05:41 PM JT-Shop: We have detected that your server is using PHP 7.4.3-4ubuntu2.29 which is obsolete
05:42 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Ah, do you have access to update it?
05:42 PM JT-Shop: nope
05:42 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Frustrating
05:43 PM JT-Shop: I can access billing but not the control panel
05:43 PM JT-Shop: yup
05:45 PM JT-Shop: another big issue is not having access to the database to purge old images and the droplet is almost full again
05:45 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> With that sort of admin privilege, customer service might be able to give you control panel access
05:45 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Any idea how bug it is.
05:45 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> * big it is? In gbytes
05:48 PM JT-Shop: no idea
05:49 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Thinking maybe if there's a storage allocation for the forum and it's exceeded mayne there's no room for cache or something
05:53 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Anyway, if you're in charge, you should be in charge, sounds like it's definitely a virtual server though and needs control oanel configuration to work properly, whoever owns the account should grabt you access
05:53 PM JT-Shop: I agree
05:53 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> * grant
05:55 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> * pabel
05:55 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> * panel
05:56 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Thinking maybe if there's a storage allocation for the forum and it's exceeded maybe there's no room for cache or something
05:57 PM JT-Shop: yup it has a storage limit but I forget what it is
05:59 PM rdtsc: updating PHP can open a can of worms
05:59 PM JT-Shop: not being able to backup can be worse lol
06:00 PM rdtsc: true... but ran a mediawiki for awhile, and updating php seriously crippled it
06:00 PM lcnc-relay: <pink_vampire@> I started to work on the larger CNC machine!
06:01 PM lcnc-relay: <pink_vampire@> 2000mm x 1000mm
06:01 PM JT-Shop: I guess I'll wait till joomla crashes to see if I can get help
06:01 PM rdtsc: have a backup in place, and know the commands to fix things should something bork :)
06:01 PM JT-Shop: I can't back it up
06:01 PM rdtsc: dang pink, that's a big'un
06:01 PM JT-Shop: or access the database
06:02 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> That is a problem
06:02 PM rdtsc: somebody better delegate control, before something bad happens
06:02 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> It's lime the family history of lcnc
06:03 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> * like
06:03 PM lcnc-relay: <pink_vampire@> @rdtsc I need it to cut plywood / particle board and fabrics
06:04 PM lcnc-relay: <pink_vampire@> but I don't have a cam for fabric cutting
06:04 PM JT-Shop: drag knife for fabric?
06:04 PM rdtsc: using like a rotary cutting wheel on a swivel?
06:05 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> UPS was supposed to deliver a 1500x1500 machine to me today, waited in all day, just got an email saying delivery date uncertain
06:05 PM rdtsc: d'oh, sucks
06:05 PM JT-Shop: yeah that sucks
06:07 PM rdtsc: for fabric cutting, I'd probably add two buttons which must be held to run - keep fingers well-away
06:07 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Oh well, gives me time for the mesa boards to arrive, skip installing uccnc
06:08 PM JT-Shop: you should see the bar bending/drilling machine I saw today what a huge safety issues
06:09 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> How do these table saw brake things work, is it capacitive?
06:09 PM JT-Shop: I looked at the plc program and told my buddy the easy thing is for me to just create a new program that is correct
06:09 PM JT-Shop: I have a saw stop and yes they work and I have tested mine
06:10 PM rdtsc: had a customer send in seven 5kW servo motors at once, all of them damaged... come to find out, they were using them to bend large steel bars in 0.1s - ouch poor motors
06:10 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Mine doesn't, I really should get one though
06:11 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Sounds lime a hydraulic job
06:11 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> * like
06:11 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Not really a direct servo application
06:11 PM JT-Shop: the bar bender part of the machine I looked at today is hydraulic
06:12 PM rdtsc: would make more sense
06:12 PM rdtsc: the biggest part of the table-stop is the fast-acting retractor... apparently they are use-once item
06:12 PM JT-Shop: yup, it jams into the blade so it and the blade are not usable again
06:13 PM Tom_L: maybe the finger is though
06:13 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Interesting, and is the sensing mechanism capacitive?
06:15 PM xxcoder: think it detects organic vocs of meat
06:15 PM xxcoder: could be wrong
06:15 PM rdtsc: not sure, because cutting into a piece of damp wood might add some capacitance too I'd imagine
06:15 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Just asking because the atmosphere in Wales tends to be, moist.
06:15 PM rdtsc: maybe it injects a signal into the ground, and searches for that on the blase
06:15 PM rdtsc: *blade
06:17 PM rdtsc: they're pretty error-proof, however they work
06:17 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> we don't use the word 'moist'....
06:17 PM xxcoder: seems its capatactor detect
06:17 PM xxcoder: wood have to be very wet to trigger it
06:17 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> We absolutely use the word moist, as often as possible
06:17 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> lol
06:18 PM rdtsc: the only thing that should ever be moist, is a cake. :
06:18 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> agreed
06:18 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> You know what the cake is
06:18 PM JT-Shop: https://pasteboard.co/6OV6jZnhDy1Y.jpg
06:19 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> moist wood?
06:19 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> It's always the wrong boolean
06:19 PM JT-Shop: so for moist wood like pressure treated you must turn the system off
06:19 PM rdtsc: nice crumple zones JT :)
06:19 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> lol - Ibet
06:19 PM JT-Shop: it saved my tape measure
06:20 PM JT-Shop: what surprised me was the blade retracted down at the same time
06:20 PM JT-Shop: and you had to crank down to the bottom to engage it again
06:21 PM rdtsc: designed to take the sudden torque and convert it into rapid downward motion, smart.
06:22 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Interesting story, to me anyway, the surgeon who operated on my hand, was the first surgeon in the world to successfully reattach a hand with full recovery, which had veen cut off by a tablesaw
06:22 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> * been
06:22 PM rdtsc: O . O
06:23 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> wow - I didn'tthink the nerves would every heal
06:23 PM JT-Shop: I got cut once by a table saw but it was not a finger departure just a deep cut in my hand
06:23 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> They can, think that's mostly a spine issue
06:23 PM xxcoder: machinists that retire with all fingers intact is a winner
06:24 PM JT-Shop: butchers have a dangerous job
06:25 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> I know this first hand because at age 12 I crushed my left index finger and destroyed all the nerves, sensation slowly came back over a 5 year period
06:25 PM JT-Shop: ouch
06:27 PM xxcoder: ow. yeah nerves, if can heal, do so very slowly
06:28 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> But the surgery I had was about 10 years ago, tore one of the arteries in the sane hand doing diy and my body decided to heal by creating thousands of new veins which was like beenign tumour
06:29 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Didn't appreciate the surgeon excaliming it was lime a little baby being born when he cut me open
06:29 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> * like
06:30 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> * exclaming
06:30 PM JT-Shop: one time I belonged to a small RC club and during a meeting a guy showed up with his hand bandaged up... he went on to say he is a safety supervisor at a refinery
06:30 PM JT-Shop: he reached through the spinning prop to adjust the needle valve
06:31 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Just demonstrating what not to do?
06:31 PM xxcoder: its hard to be sharp on safety all times unfortunately. I remember couple stories about safety training guy killing himself with forklift, and another, with gun
06:31 PM JT-Shop: could be his small son was there with him at the field
06:32 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Ouch
06:32 PM JT-Shop: https://www.spillwayrc.com/
06:32 PM JT-Shop: wow it's still there
06:32 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> When I was still living in Norway there was this horroble hunting accident where a son ended up shooting his father
06:33 PM JT-Shop: https://www.spillwayrc.com/about-us/founding/
06:35 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> My browser doesn't lime the link, but get the idea
06:35 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> * like
06:37 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Most of us do it though, know better, but oh well, just need to get this thing done
06:37 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Safety squint on
06:38 PM * JT-Shop calls it a day
06:40 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> well - I fixed the space bar on this laptop... boy - that was more work than I thought it would be
06:41 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> don't know what the issue was - but must have had crud under it.
06:42 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> wow - look at all those spaces
06:43 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Who'd have thunk, just need to install more spacebars in my workshop, I could fit infinite machines in, ebay here I come
06:45 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:443/~webpage/rue/Omnikey_key/alps3.jpg
06:45 PM Tom_L: removed a few after spilling a drink
06:46 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> That seems more like a spacetime collapse
06:46 PM Tom_L: back when they made 'real' keyboards
06:47 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> lol
06:47 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> I'm saving and repeating all this with no remorse for my son tomorrow, will savour every groan
06:49 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> well - still reeling for a coworker (trying to defend himself) said that slavery wasn't so bad because some slaves were treated very well. I don't even know what to think.
06:50 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Wtaf
06:50 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> and then said - you know - we sometimes say we are slaves to this job.. To which I said - but I can quit...
06:51 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> What is cognitive dissonance for...
06:52 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> he is smart.. But very in his own echo chamber.
06:53 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> There's a lot of mental coping gymnastics going on these days, it's ok not to be om with it
06:53 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> * ok
06:54 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> it sucks
06:54 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> It does
06:54 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> My other coworker - who stayed quiet (thank god) said later - He said the quiet thing out loud!
06:55 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Scary how quickly we got to this point
06:56 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> yes. sad.
06:57 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> I say we, because everything affects everyone globally, since about wwii
07:00 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> raining here.. we need it.
07:00 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Still, growing up through the cold war, I wish I'd worried less and taken time out to enjoy the here and now instead of constantly worrying about the what might happen
07:01 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> oof - yes - I grew up in the 80's and just assumed there was going to be a nuclear war any second.. (I was a worrier) now I just worry about my kids..
07:01 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> (they are good kids)
07:02 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Been pissing it down here all week, we need it too, but I'd rather have staued in the arid Portugal weather until it was over
07:03 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Same, my son is much less of a little shit than I was, hope his world doesn't go from one shitshow to the next
07:04 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> I better hit the sack, hope you have a good rest of your day
07:05 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> sleep good! I have a few hours of tinkering yet
07:10 PM rdtsc: don't get a synth-ale at the space bar... hear romulans like to hang out there
07:24 PM xxcoder: https://youtu.be/GBn76DTAGw8 interesting bookbinding
07:40 PM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> https://bsky.app/profile/chadbourn.bsky.social/post/3lygsjsnfms2k shit.
09:18 PM peter__ is now known as pcw-at-home
09:19 PM pcw-at-home: Forum seems to be down for several hours today
10:00 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I emailed Stephen... I think it is still hosted by him.. not sure