#linuxcnc Logs
Aug 28 2025
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:09 AM roycroft: looking at various makes/models, the p2 pro seems a really good choice
12:24 AM xxcoder: that was conclusion I had after quite a while yeah. thats why I finally bought it a while ago
12:24 AM roycroft: i wonder if it works fine upside down, and flips the image right side up
12:24 AM roycroft: ios does that fine, but a lot of ios apps do not
12:24 AM xxcoder: I hav done side to side, but not upside down a sec
12:24 AM roycroft: i don't want to plug a tiny, expensive dongle into the bottom of my phone
12:46 AM Deejay: moin
04:27 AM Tom_L: morning
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05:35 AM jpa-: i would expect there to be, but probably nothing that would matter at the normal 1 kHz servo loop speed
05:39 AM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> Ok thanks, I expect pcie would be a bit more noise prone as well
06:08 AM JT-Cave: hmm my package left warrendale pa and bypassed st louis and is now in kansas city...
06:41 AM t4nk_freenode is now known as t4nk_fn
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07:59 AM rdtsc-w: lucid.nonsense I'm not sure PCIe would be any more noise-prone; PCIe signals live in the gigahertz range, and if differential-mode and laid-out well, should be fairly noise-tolerant, no?
08:00 AM rdtsc-w: that may be a good question for PCW, perhaps he's tested it
08:12 AM pcw-home: We made cabled PCIE stuff for a while, it was not particularly sensitive to noise plus has built in transaction retry. Also a plug in card will have very short connections
08:53 AM rdtsc-w: JT, twice I've tried to order a 2-day amazon item; the first time it was lost for a week so I cancelled it; the new one was supposed to be delivered today but is sitting at the local hub. wouldn't be surprised if it disappears as well
08:54 AM JT-Cave: well my package made it to st louis this morning and left there as well...
08:59 AM rdtsc-w: are there self-driving semis? that would explain it :)
09:02 AM JT-Cave: I hope not
10:05 AM roycroft: there are, rdtsc-w, but i think they're mostly in the southwest curently
10:42 AM Tom_L: just rfid tags blowing in the wind
10:49 AM Tom_L: https://www.npr.org/2025/08/26/nx-s1-5518308/haboob-explained-phoenix-arizona
11:09 AM JT-Shop: so it looks like self-driving trucks are driving between houston and dallas
11:09 AM JT-Shop: I wonder what they do when they get to the location?
11:12 AM lcnc-relay: <lucid.nonsense@> pcw-home: Cool, thanks
11:26 AM Tom_L: JT-Shop, self-destruct?
11:27 AM rdtsc-w: I was wondering what happens when they experience a blow-out, engine problem, rain and hail, etc.
11:28 AM JT-Cave: I would imagine that they have tire pressure sensors but a blow out is another thing
11:28 AM Tom_L: a convenience store chain here recently got floor cleaning robots. they roll around saying they're cleaning the floor and are always in your way
11:29 AM roycroft: https://xkcd.com/3133/
11:32 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> oh boy...
11:35 AM JT-Cave: and my package is back in st louis
11:37 AM Tom_L: wind shifted
11:38 AM Tom_L: sometimes i wonder if they use hot air balloons for delivery
11:38 AM lcnc-relay: <roguish> the self-driving semis will soon be driving I5 up and down the Cal central valley...... very scary. 2 lanes each way..... narrow and already dangerous
11:39 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> roycroft: sounds like your stepper drives over-heat really easy
11:39 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> maybe that is what is happening
11:39 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> (and why lowering the current helped)
11:40 AM Tom_L: they probably have no idle current shutdown
11:40 AM Tom_L: if they shut down overnite
11:40 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> might pay to see how the heatsinks are setup and maybe adding fans?
11:44 AM lcnc-relay: <roguish> most stepper drives keep a constant current even when idle. it definitely heats things up. I had to use steppers for some mechanisms in the SLAC xray beam line. I had to explain to the controls group to shut off the steppers, otherwise the heat would affect the mechanisms and through the beam line off target.....
11:45 AM Tom_L: good drivers will idle back the current
11:46 AM lcnc-relay: <roguish> but any amount of current produces heat R*(I^2)
11:48 AM rdtsc-w: The Creality K2+ 3D printer always runs the extruder motor at 100% current, which makes it hot, and this conducts into the filament and leads to a jam - usually at the worst possible time
11:50 AM * JT-Cave hears a nap calling his name
11:50 AM lcnc-relay: <roguish> JT-Cave: get your ride in firsst
12:02 PM JT-Shop: I agree with JT-Cave nap time
12:02 PM lcnc-relay: <roguish> go for it
12:18 PM Tom_L: roguish, weren't you one asking about keyboard jogging?
12:18 PM Tom_L: you should check out flex now
12:57 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> ever notice how some users just ask the same questions over and over until they get the answers they want vs what works, some are just more subtle than others
12:58 PM xxcoder: reminds me of that lathe in apartment guy
12:59 PM xxcoder: kept asking same questions, hoping for different answer to impossible solution
12:59 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> "wall mount lathe" still laughing
12:59 PM lcnc-relay: <asicresisteur@> haha I have my machine in my garage in a small house as well 🥲
01:00 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> trampoline machine bases
01:00 PM xxcoder: also wanted a big lathe in second floor apartment of 3 floor apartment. kept telling that guy that second floor lathe is soon basement lathe
01:02 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> "To every action, there is always opposed an equal reaction; or, the mutual actions of two bodies upon each other are always equal, and directed to contrary parts." Mr. Newton
01:03 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> lol - my parents told my sister the floor trusses would not support a waterbed.. After my sister moved out - my parents got a water bed..
01:04 PM lcnc-relay: <asicresisteur@> I'm also quite in over my head on my machine, I don't even know what software it runs. thought it was linuxcnc which is why I'm here but I'm not even sure now 🥲
01:04 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> rules for thee
01:04 PM xxcoder: that or its truth that they later forgot, and they was lucky it held up anyway
01:05 PM xxcoder: asic yeah? whats it look like anyway
01:05 PM lcnc-relay: <asicresisteur@> it's a 5axis from china with a housing around it, a beefed up clone of the pocket nc
01:05 PM lcnc-relay: <asicresisteur@> just posted some footage of it in off-topic
01:06 PM xxcoder: you would need to link to it here for irc and matrix users :D
01:06 PM lcnc-relay: <asicresisteur@> oh damn, it's an uploaded file
01:06 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L397TWLwrUU take that Mr. Newton
01:06 PM lcnc-relay: <asicresisteur@> I have a yt vid somewhere
01:06 PM lcnc-relay: <asicresisteur@> https://youtu.be/hIgdRIrlm0s
01:07 PM lcnc-relay: <asicresisteur@> I think it's unlisted but you should be able to see it
01:07 PM xxcoder: watching it as much as I can
01:07 PM xxcoder: ui dont seem to be lcnc
01:07 PM xxcoder: not sure if its ripoff of mach3
01:08 PM lcnc-relay: <asicresisteur@> they call it DNC Studio under control software on their websxite
01:08 PM lcnc-relay: <asicresisteur@> * website
01:08 PM xxcoder: wow its actually not mach3? its often ripped off mach3 for clones
01:09 PM xxcoder: anyway machine seems cool
01:09 PM lcnc-relay: <asicresisteur@> I was hoping to run something a bit more universal but I don't think it's a possibility, it's such a niche machine
01:09 PM pcw-home: Doesn't (didn't?) PocketNC use Machinekit?
01:09 PM xxcoder: lcnc can run so many machines
01:09 PM xxcoder: hard part is configuring it
01:10 PM lcnc-relay: <asicresisteur@> yeah I think aligning / calibrating a 5 axis is also very non trivial, then getting the post processor for fusion to work..
01:10 PM lcnc-relay: <asicresisteur@> I just got a new post processor from them to try, before simultanious 5 axis was only possible with powermill iirc, I'm a fusion user though
01:11 PM xxcoder: well if you want to port to lcnc, I'd do it in very reversable way, ie take entire computer with orginal os and stuff off and keep it safe
01:11 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I thought they used machine kit so that they could use the beaglebone..
01:12 PM lcnc-relay: <asicresisteur@> xxcoder: maybe one day when I am more skilled 😄
01:12 PM JT-Shop: wow I just found a notepad from the Howard Plaza Hotel in Taipei and that's got to be 30 plus years ago
01:12 PM xxcoder: im sure others would have far beter advice than me too
01:13 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> I thought about writing configuration tools for LCNC but there are so few LCNC problem facers compared to other engineering problem facers
01:15 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> https://www.howard-hotels.com.tw/zh_TW/HotelBusiness/91 JT its still there
01:15 PM JT-Shop: cool
01:16 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> walking distance to the Chiang Kai-shek Memorial Hall
01:18 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> how close is AI now to getting HAL files configured properly?
01:19 PM lcnc-relay: <Mister Wallace> Antone here ever used this? https://qelectrotech.org
01:21 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> aren't most open source EDA users using KiCAD?
01:22 PM lcnc-relay: <Mister Wallace> I need to lay out an electrical cabinet, not a PCB, so assumed KiCAD wasn’t it
01:22 PM lcnc-relay: <Mister Wallace> (I might just use graph paper)
01:23 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> I tried using QElectroTech and it was missing all sorts of common symbols
01:23 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> no 2-pole breakers
01:24 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> I had to create lots of control transformers and contactors as well
01:25 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> same for KiCAD
01:25 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> maybe those symbols are out there, but i could not find them
01:25 PM lcnc-relay: <Mister Wallace> Well damn
01:25 PM lcnc-relay: <Mister Wallace> Maybe I’ll just do the layout in Solidworks
01:26 PM lcnc-relay: <Mister Wallace> Somewhat needless but I have time to kill in an airport tomorrow
01:26 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> yeah 🙁 prove me wrong please
01:27 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> how can that app be around for so long already without 2 pole breakers?
01:27 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> it only had 1 or 3 pole versions
01:28 PM lcnc-relay: <Mister Wallace> What about SkyCAD?
01:29 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> was a simple 480VAC 3-ph control cabinet with 208 VAC drives and 120 VAC relays
01:29 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> i had to create half the common symbols
01:30 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> never tried SkyCAD
01:32 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> doesn't Autocad focus on machine control wiring? I thought some inventor variant was all over that
01:33 PM lcnc-relay: <Mister Wallace> Possibly? I don’t have access to it right now though, unfortunately
01:34 PM lcnc-relay: <Mister Wallace> So looking for free options
01:34 PM mrec: I used KiCAD for documenting our Mitsubishi CNC it's excellent for documenting the wiring and allows pictures as well
01:34 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> Kicad sure has come a long way
01:35 PM lcnc-relay: <Mister Wallace> Oh it literally does schematics too, handy
01:35 PM mrec: it crashes every now and then (possibly because I'm abusing it for that topic) but it's pretty good.
01:36 PM roycroft: i don't have autocad electrical, but i've done some fairly sophisticed wiring diagrams with standard autocad
01:36 PM mrec: I documented our machine in a hierarchial way
01:36 PM roycroft: it can be a lot of work, but it's doable
01:36 PM roycroft: i've tried kicad, but never got the hang of it
01:36 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> over the past 40 years I have mostly used NX, Xpedition, Creo, SW and Orcad/Allegro, Altium and Inventor, i wouldn'teven tough KiCAD 10 years ago, but I'd use kiCAD now for an open source project
01:36 PM roycroft: i haven't put much effort into it either
01:37 PM mrec: I use altium for PCBs, Kicad every now and then.
01:37 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> tough/try
01:37 PM roycroft: altium designer is $460/month
01:38 PM roycroft: way too rich for my blood
01:38 PM mrec: I have a perpetual license
01:38 PM roycroft: same with me and autocad and solidworks
01:38 PM roycroft: but they're both older versions
01:38 PM roycroft: and i don't keep a support contract
01:38 PM roycroft: if i were using them to make my living i would keep them current
01:39 PM mrec: my altium version is older too, I got the last acceptable version it seems (even without continental restrictions)
01:39 PM mrec: AD17
01:39 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> https://www.autodesk.com/uk/products/autocad-electrical/features.electrical-schematic-design
01:39 PM mrec: afterwards they started to juggle with the license terms.. regional locks etc.
01:40 PM roycroft: it appears to be subscription only now - they do not list a perpetual license option on their website
01:40 PM mrec: I heard they still have perpetual licenses but highly overpriced
01:42 PM lcnc-relay: <Mister Wallace> I use Autodesk Alias in my day job and for this reason have a deep hatred of Autodesk’s licensing practices.
01:42 PM lcnc-relay: <Mister Wallace> So KiCad sounds good to me
01:42 PM lcnc-relay: <Mister Wallace> Maybe Solidworks for the physical cabinet layout.
01:42 PM roycroft: that door i posted yesterday was done in solidworks
01:42 PM roycroft: btw, i decided to make it in cherry now, so i've altered the design files to reflect that
01:43 PM lcnc-relay: <Mister Wallace> Oh fancy
01:43 PM lcnc-relay: <Mister Wallace> I’m going to take a stab at making a butcher block this next week out of some walnut a kind lady gave me
01:43 PM roycroft: it was mahogany yesterday
01:44 PM roycroft: https://roycroft.us/Shop/ShopEntryDoor-Cherry.jpeg
01:44 PM roycroft: that's the current rough design
01:45 PM roycroft: i have to add the joiner and the edge treatments
01:45 PM roycroft: and the hardware
01:45 PM lcnc-relay: <Mister Wallace> Oh that’s fun, it’s very mackintosh
01:45 PM roycroft: but that's basically how it will look - it will be a double door, so two of them
01:45 PM roycroft: more greene and greene inspired, but same era
01:46 PM roycroft: charles rennie mackintosh didn't use cloud lifts like that
01:46 PM roycroft: but he used some of the same timber shapes
01:58 PM lcnc-relay: <Mister Wallace> Gotcha, nice
02:00 PM roycroft: the smoke is back today :(
02:00 PM roycroft: i have a few things to do in the shop over lunch, and fortunately it's not smokey there
02:00 PM roycroft: but even going from the house to the shop is uncomfortable
02:01 PM roycroft: aqi is up to 153 now
02:02 PM xxcoder: aqi is up here also, but pretty far below 153.
02:03 PM xxcoder: 71 here
02:04 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> AQI 21
02:05 PM lcnc-relay: <Mister Wallace> AQI 26 here in the city today
02:06 PM lcnc-relay: <Mister Wallace> roycroft: Whereabouts?
02:06 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> if you find anything decent for Control Cabinet wiring layout, please let me know
02:07 PM lcnc-relay: <Mister Wallace> captainhindsight_.@: Will do! Gonna try a few of these
02:07 PM lcnc-relay: <Mister Wallace> Gonna throw linuxcnc in a VM too so u can poke around on the flight
02:07 PM lcnc-relay: <Mister Wallace> * I
02:12 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> https://www.panduit.com/en/solutions/applications/control-panel/interactive-control-panel-tool.html NO DEMO 🙁
02:13 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> not even sure if the tool is a tool
02:14 PM lcnc-relay: <Mister Wallace> Ok honestly I’m gonna try solidworks electrical layout, I think it’s included in the hobby license
02:16 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> https://www.progesoft.com/
02:16 PM lcnc-relay: Mister Wallace
02:26 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> lokks like there was an attempt to get more control wiring and cabinet design into kicad back in 2021
02:26 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> but then it stalled
02:27 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> covid messed lots of projects up
02:28 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> https://forum.kicad.info/t/software-for-designing-control-panels/7671?page=2
02:50 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYMMlJzRWhU
02:50 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> ARES Electrical CAD Software – DWG-Based Design for Wiring Diagram, Control Panel, Automation & BOM
02:52 PM roycroft: s/projects/projects and people/
02:53 PM roycroft: aqi is 198 now
02:53 PM roycroft: that's the highest it's been here all year
02:55 PM * roycroft was trying to use some other open source schematic software but found it totally frustrating, and can't remember what it is called
02:55 PM roycroft: it's french
02:55 PM roycroft: maybe that's why it was so frustrating
02:56 PM roycroft: oh, yeah, qelectrotech
02:56 PM roycroft: promising premise, horrible execution
02:58 PM roycroft: iirc i gave that stuff a long go, thinking that if i finally figured it out it would be the best open source wiring diagram software around
02:58 PM roycroft: but in the end i threw it away in frustration
02:58 PM roycroft: and went back to the hard way, with autocad
02:59 PM rdtsc-w: no news is... no news https://qelectrotech.org/test/lang-en/news.php
02:59 PM roycroft: so broken site with php debugging enabled and exposed to the public
03:00 PM roycroft: a great confidence builder
03:00 PM rdtsc-w: did some pretty detailed prints using autocad... more "manual" and less features than a EDA pacakge, but more artistic freedom
03:02 PM JT-Shop: after getting 3 long deck boards fitted to the deck I'm pooped
03:03 PM JT-Shop: and I still have to replace the structure under the deck boards due to some weird rot
03:10 PM roycroft: https://roycroft.us/ControlPanelWiring/ChassisWiringDiagram-ChassisWiring.pdf
03:10 PM roycroft: there's a diagram i did for my brew system controller in autocad
03:11 PM roycroft: there are some other pdfs in that directory with additional wiring diagrams
03:11 PM roycroft: as well as pictures of the actual control panel
03:14 PM roycroft: that work is very tedious to do in autocad, but one can make nice wiring diagrams if one is patient
03:22 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> kicad can easily handle the schematics but if you also want hydraulics or pneumatics you're out of luck
03:22 PM roycroft: autocad can do it all :)
03:23 PM roycroft: you just have to work at it
03:23 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> what was autocad electrical is now part of what package?
03:23 PM roycroft: i have no idea
03:23 PM roycroft: i don't have autocad electrical
03:23 PM JT-Shop: I had a good schematic addition to an old autocad that ran in windblows xp
03:23 PM roycroft: if i did then wiring diagrams would probably be easier
03:24 PM roycroft: i did those with standard autocad
03:24 PM roycroft: i built up a little component library, and it was easy to insert components
03:25 PM roycroft: but it was very tedious to draw the wire connections
03:25 PM JT-Shop: it popped up either 2 or 3 vertical rails and you made the connections between
03:25 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> lokks like you have to buy Autocad since it's all bundled into it now
03:25 PM * JT-Shop never bundles
03:26 PM roycroft: i did my diagrams with autocad 2008, which definitely had no electrical stuff bundled in
03:26 PM JT-Shop: this was an free add on iirc
03:26 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> https://www.autodesk.com/products/autocad/compare
03:26 PM JT-Shop: I still have the disks but can't get wondblows xp to install in an old pc
03:27 PM roycroft: btw, it may seem like an odd workflow, but that door i just designed i drew in autocad first to get the proportions the way i wanted, then imported the dwg into solidworks to do the 3d modeling and assembly
03:27 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> $260 / mon or $2095 / year
03:27 PM * roycroft pays $0/year, as he got a perpetual license and does not do upgrades/maintenance
03:27 PM roycroft: it was $5k-ish when we bought it though
03:28 PM roycroft: that was in 2008
03:28 PM JT-Shop: I stopped doing upgrades for sw in 2015
03:28 PM roycroft: so ~$295/year, with that cost going down every year i continue to use it
03:28 PM JT-Shop: but I need to run 2014 to use with onecnc
03:29 PM roycroft: i'm on sw 2018, and i plan on sticking with that indefinitely
03:29 PM lcnc-relay: <ccatlett1984@> Just use fusion360 personal
03:29 PM lcnc-relay: <ccatlett1984@> Free
03:29 PM JT-Shop: fusion is horrible
03:29 PM roycroft: fusion seems like it works ok
03:30 PM roycroft: but 1. their license terms are already horrible, and then change them for the worse constantly
03:31 PM roycroft: and 2. i already have a paremetric modeling package that i've been using for 15 years, and while fusion 360 has similar features, it works much differently and i find it infuriating to use
03:31 PM roycroft: i've tried, as i still use autocad a lot, and thought that staying in the autodesk family might be the smoothest way to use both types of packages
03:31 PM lcnc-relay: <ccatlett1984@> AutoCAD makes me want to punch babies
03:31 PM roycroft: but i'm not sure that's the case
03:31 PM roycroft: i've been using autocad since the '80s
03:32 PM roycroft: i like it
03:32 PM roycroft: i'm really used to it
03:32 PM roycroft: but i can see it might not be for everyone
03:32 PM roycroft: that is why we have choices
03:32 PM xxcoder: being used does matter by quite a lot. im used to freecad and always use it for cad
03:32 PM roycroft: i do NOT like their proprietary file format
03:32 PM lcnc-relay: <ccatlett1984@> It's the UI that hasn't been updated in 20 years
03:32 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> looks like Autodesk is quietly phasing out Autocad in favor of fusion360
03:33 PM roycroft: they are the de facto standard,as they have such wide market saturation
03:33 PM roycroft: so that everyone else feels the need to support dwg
03:33 PM roycroft: and autodesk change dwg so frequently it's a pain to deal with - everyone has to catch up
03:33 PM roycroft: or autocad uses have to save to an older version to exchange files with folks whose cad software hasn't caught up yet
03:34 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> https://www.autodesk.com/compare/fusion-360-vs-inventor
03:34 PM roycroft: autocad's ui has definitely been updated in the last 20 years
03:34 PM roycroft: but folks who haven't used it since r12 (late '80s) would find themselves able to use a more modern autocad release very quickly
03:34 PM xxcoder: think thats to freecad. it didnt get a whole lot of ui updates till recently
03:35 PM roycroft: it's changed but the basics remain the same
03:35 PM roycroft: oh
03:35 PM xxcoder: I could be wrong tho
03:35 PM roycroft: i'm not going to have time to spend with freecad again until this winter
03:35 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> Inventor has less features than Fusion
03:35 PM roycroft: but i think it will be worht giving it another go
03:35 PM roycroft: meanwhile, i'm pretty happy with autocad and solidworks
03:36 PM roycroft: since my newer version of solidworks comes with solidcam, and since i have a cnc machine that i can feed gcode to now, i should probably try out solidcam
03:36 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> so Autodesk wants everyone on Fusion so thst they can control you and extract as much $ as possible
03:37 PM roycroft: and i have vectric cut2d, which can generate gcode for linuxcnc
03:37 PM roycroft: i have not tried that yet, and i should, very soon
03:37 PM roycroft: i plan on upgrading that to vcarve pro pretty soon, and i suspect i'll use that for almost all my cnc router-related work
03:38 PM roycroft: solidworks/solidcam will be reserved for when i get my mill/drill back in the shop and the cnc conversion on it done
03:40 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> guess that is why so many hobby people and small co's just download cracked versions
03:41 PM xxcoder: isnt there free version of vcarve
03:41 PM roycroft: there are plenty of affordable options for small businesses
03:41 PM lcnc-relay: <ccatlett1984@> Solidworks hobby version is FREE (or $40/yr when not on sale)
03:41 PM roycroft: and most hobbyists can get hobby licenses for free
03:41 PM roycroft: there isn't a free version of any vectric software that i'm aware of
03:41 PM xxcoder: might be misremembering then
03:41 PM lcnc-relay: <ccatlett1984@> Dassault is pushing everything to cloud, and breaking all kinds of shit
03:42 PM roycroft: but i'll be using it professionally, so i would not be eligible for a free license anyway
03:42 PM roycroft: seems most folks are doing that, ccatlett1984
03:42 PM lcnc-relay: <ccatlett1984@> Vcarve?
03:42 PM roycroft: it's a good thing i have perpetual licenses for my cad software
03:42 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> https://www.autodesk.com/collections/product-design-manufacturing/overview
03:43 PM roycroft: i have cut2d right now, but i'll be upgrading to vcarve pro when i get my new router (not the minirouter) built
03:43 PM roycroft: i doubt i'll ever need aspire
03:43 PM roycroft: but if i find that i need it i'll have the money for it
03:43 PM lcnc-relay: <ccatlett1984@> My plan is to stick to fusions for toolpathing
03:43 PM xxcoder: oh yeah! https://www.scorchworks.com/Fengrave/fengrave.html is what I remembered
03:43 PM lcnc-relay: <ccatlett1984@> * fusion
03:43 PM xxcoder: I have no idea how good f-engrave is
03:46 PM xxcoder: comment on 10 year old video show that its still good
03:47 PM roycroft: i will be trying out fengrave with the mini-router soon
03:47 PM JT-Shop: I've used it many times
03:47 PM roycroft: yes, i remember your discussing it before, jt-shop
03:47 PM roycroft: and andy pugh first told me about it
03:48 PM roycroft: i have a lot of postcript fonts, and iirc fengrave only support truetype
03:48 PM roycroft: so that could be a mess for me
03:49 PM roycroft: i have a lot of tt fonts, but far more ps than tt
03:49 PM xxcoder: wonder if ps to tt convertor exist
03:49 PM roycroft: and both my logo fonts are ps
03:50 PM roycroft: there are some, but i don't know how good any of them are
03:51 PM roycroft: and i don't know if they can do a direct vector to vector conversion or if they do vector -> raster -> vector
03:51 PM roycroft: if the latter, i'm not at all interested
03:52 PM roycroft: i haven't reached that bridge yet, so i don't know if i'll cross it, turn back, or blow it up and turn back
03:53 PM xxcoder: site states "dxf" features
03:55 PM xxcoder: it can import dxf, export svg but not import svg. I guess they never got around to that or something. its pretty old program
03:58 PM xxcoder: oh found https://github.com/stephenhouser/f-engrave last update last year
03:58 PM xxcoder: oh its a fork for mac os
04:20 PM roycroft: it requires brew to install on macos, and that's always caused me problems, so when the time comes i'll build a linux vm to run it
04:22 PM xxcoder: f-engrave is supposely runnable under linux
04:23 PM xxcoder: so no vm needed if on linux, but downloads is win and macos so dunno
04:24 PM xxcoder: oh its just source code download, "make install"
04:25 PM xxcoder: erm thats for sub-program
04:26 PM xxcoder: oh good https://www.scorchworks.com/Fengrave/fengrave_setup.html
04:26 PM xxcoder: linux info there
04:29 PM roycroft: i mean i'll linux in a vm on my mac
04:33 PM xxcoder: ahh ok misunderstood. thanks
04:35 PM roycroft: i'd like all my macos fonts available
04:35 PM roycroft: but i have hundreds, and am unlikely to use them all when doing carvings, so if i can find a decent ps to tt converter, i don't mind converting as i need them and installing the converted font on the linux vm
04:36 PM xxcoder: I was curious, and so many convertors is online. im sure you dont want that, due to some fonts being paid
04:36 PM roycroft: it's kind of the same thing with cut2d/vcarve - that runs on windows, so i have to have a windows vm for it
04:36 PM roycroft: and i have to copy fonts to the windows vm as i need them
04:36 PM JT-Shop: fonts that carve well are few and far between
04:37 PM roycroft: and right, a lot of the fonts i have are commercial, and i'm not keen on uploading them to a random website to convert them
04:37 PM roycroft: jt-shop: i don't anticipate i'll be doing a lot of this, nor needing a lot of fonts
04:37 PM roycroft: it's just easier to have them all online and available than to have to pick and choose and converte and copy every one as i need it
04:38 PM xxcoder: abode apparently has convertor
04:38 PM roycroft: but i'm also well aware that the meaning of life is not for the universe to make thins easy for me
04:38 PM xxcoder: good if you have it
04:40 PM xxcoder: https://fontforge.org/en-US/ found one
04:50 PM JT-Shop: wood parts of the bandsaw mobility project are almost done
05:05 PM rdtsc-w: imagine the "mobility project" looking something like this... https://s3files.core77.com/blog/images/lead_n_spotlight/485815_title__52945_HGZHXTW4c.jpg
05:05 PM xxcoder: looks very safe
05:06 PM JT-Shop: not
05:06 PM xxcoder: too bad irc dont have sarastic font support ;)
05:14 PM roycroft: a smilie usualy works for that
05:14 PM * roycroft heads into town and away from the smoke
05:14 PM JT-Shop: https://pasteboard.co/JmSN0YZNjeWh.jpg
05:15 PM xxcoder: that worked?
05:15 PM JT-Shop: should
06:41 PM rdtsc_ is now known as rdtsc
07:14 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> Got my rigol from the other house.. Yay
07:24 PM rdtsc: let the 'scoping begin :)
07:25 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> Well - dad had one too - so now I have 2 here.
07:25 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> so a 8 channel scope(s) lol
07:27 PM rdtsc: they actually make 8ch scopes... way outside a mortal's price range though
07:29 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I like there latest cheap scope.. but I am ok with the cheap ds1054z too
07:30 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> touchscreen would be nice
07:31 PM rdtsc: the https://rigolna.com/products/digital-oscilloscopes/dho900 series?
07:34 PM rdtsc: moderately priced, nice features
07:35 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I was thinking of the Rigol DHO800
07:35 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> but probably similar
07:36 PM rdtsc: there was one of those 37-page writeups on eevblog forum about hacking these... bit the bullet and just bought the one I wanted. sadly, ee bench is still not together to use it
07:37 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8jrpCoZyx8
07:37 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I like eevblog
07:37 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I hacked both dads and I to increase the bandwidth
07:38 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> 'hacked'
07:38 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> lol
07:40 PM rdtsc: we have two 1040z's at work... they're "unlocked" now :)
07:40 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I had some bugs with it and remembered I could update the firmware... It fixed the issue
07:41 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> don't remember what the issue was
07:41 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> they are really nice - kick around shopes
07:41 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> scopes
07:41 PM rdtsc: that eevblog post about the DHO series is waaaay convoluted... many people trying many different things, all while the firmware being new and a few updates released which skewed everything
07:43 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I was suprised that I was able to make this work on the 1040z...
07:43 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llwq5QKDgWo
07:44 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> *1054z
07:44 PM rdtsc: shrooms :)
07:47 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> and using 80's vintage b&k and tecktronic scopes - the auto button sure is nice.
07:49 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> almost cheating
07:50 PM rdtsc: have a military surplus Iwatsu DS6121 digital storagescope from god-knows-when... its fully analog, but with about a thousand memory chips spread across 7 boards inside. no auto-anything. :
08:00 PM rdtsc: that was my only scope for decades... oh look, someone is selling one https://www.ebay.com/itm/125939891765
08:06 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjEoAh_ciTw
08:07 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> we had a b&k 60mhz 2 channel scope that we used when I was a kid
08:08 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> my dad and uncle fixed it (it was from a technical school auction)
08:08 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> it ended up being a 1meg ohm resistor that opend up
08:16 PM rdtsc: spacex is amazing... that thing looks like a little model but it's how tall again? :)
08:28 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> yah - the engineering is amazing
08:29 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> it is about 400ft tall
08:29 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> that isn't right.
08:30 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> that must be the total hight
08:31 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> the booster is 233 feet and the starship is 171ish feet tall
08:33 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> still - everyone says - you have to see it in person to understand the scale. I believe it.
08:36 PM lfluffywof: at this point, I kinda hope everything musk touches crashes and burns.
08:37 PM lfluffywof: he's way too evil to be supported, even if his engineers are doing good.
08:41 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I can see that. It is still amazing engineering
08:42 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> one of the engineers said that the booster 'simulated' the land over the gulf within 1cm.. no one believed him - thought he miss spoke.. but then they caught the booster..
08:46 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> everyone was talking about how falcon 9 booster landings are not accurate enough to be caught by the tower.. yet
08:52 PM lfluffywof: von braun was a good engineer, but that doesn't mean I'd root for hitler... any more than I want musk to succeed. heh.
08:58 PM _unreal_: have any of you messed with rs-485?
08:59 PM lfluffywof: very slightly
08:59 PM _unreal_: I'm going to run rs485 over about 50
08:59 PM _unreal_: 50' of phone wire
08:59 PM _unreal_: I purchased some SERIAL to rs-485 converter adapters.
09:00 PM _unreal_: My over all goal is to connect my daughters p1 computer to my p1 range computer for serial gaming
09:00 PM _unreal_: I just got the phone wire dropped into her room. still need to locate and run it to my room. also running ethernet
09:01 PM _unreal_: over all goal is to setup the ablity to have both serial and ethernet for old legacy computers setup.
09:01 PM _unreal_: FINALY
09:01 PM _unreal_: only took till my daughter was 16 :/ :(
09:01 PM _unreal_: :((((
09:03 PM lfluffywof: serial gaming? heh
09:26 PM _unreal_: hep
09:26 PM _unreal_: yep
09:27 PM _unreal_: the short story. i've had a lot of family problems over the past..... 15 years.
09:27 PM lfluffywof: last time I did anything that involved gaming and serial, it was the serial connections to my modems for my bbs, running tw2002. :P
09:27 PM _unreal_: its been a good long time for me as well
09:28 PM _unreal_: I didnt stop by choice. I've got shit fam.
09:28 PM _unreal_: I've finally broken free of there TOTAL bs AND willful control over me.
09:29 PM _unreal_: still trying to weed out some other issues. hence setting up my new home is .... SLOW moving
09:29 PM _unreal_: but moving along
09:32 PM * lfluffywof got to be a bastard sysadmin, and would edit the sector warps when no one was online
09:32 PM _unreal_: what game?
09:32 PM _unreal_: quake?
09:33 PM lfluffywof: tw2002. trade wars.
09:33 PM lfluffywof: remember, modems, bbs. quake was very much not a thing yet. lol.
09:33 PM _unreal_: oh that was a bbs game
09:34 PM lfluffywof: last time I had anything that combined games and serial. lol.
09:34 PM lfluffywof: I can't even think of any way serial was relevant to games after that.
09:35 PM _unreal_: doom2, duke3d
09:35 PM _unreal_: etc..
09:35 PM _unreal_: starcraft, red alert
09:35 PM _unreal_: all were capable of 1v1
09:35 PM _unreal_: serial
09:35 PM lfluffywof: doom2 was ipx stuff
09:35 PM _unreal_: doom2 was dualup, and serial FIRST and IPX
09:36 PM xxcoder: wow. found very old badge
09:36 PM _unreal_: doom2 was NATIVE dialup and serial
09:36 PM _unreal_: ?
09:36 PM xxcoder: "I am not deaf, I am just ignoring you"
09:36 PM lfluffywof: ah. I only ever saw ipx for doom.
09:36 PM _unreal_: xxcoder, sounds like a 90s badge
09:37 PM lfluffywof: https://doom.fandom.com/wiki/Doom_networking_component makes it sound like early releases were ipx only, with serial being a later addition. maybe that's why I never saw it.
09:37 PM xxcoder: think its sigificantly older, but you might be right dunno
09:38 PM xxcoder: my dad had funny humor
09:38 PM _unreal_: I have original doom2 floppys and they only support serail/dialup
09:38 PM xxcoder: he was actually deaf.
09:38 PM _unreal_: ERR doom1 not 2
09:41 PM _unreal_: LOL if you feed google. "doom2 serial connection" the AI gives an incorrect answer. if you feed it "doom2 serial network connection" it gives a correct answer.
09:41 PM lfluffywof: I pretty much entirely ignore ai crap, and only look at it when I want a laugh.
09:42 PM _unreal_: ya I've found it to be helpful and hindering
09:43 PM _unreal_: If you dont know what your looking for it can easly mislead you.
09:43 PM lfluffywof: do any of those games only support serial and not ipx or ip networking? heh
09:44 PM _unreal_: off the top of my head I dont know. if it was in the 90s more or less everything was on the table in some level of support
09:46 PM _unreal_: I think this weekend I'm going to see if I can hang my table saw off the ceiling in the gurage. If I'm able to do it. then I'll gain a lot of space. Saddly I tosse out the legs to it because my dad put like one leg in 4 different locationas in the old house AND damaged them.
09:46 PM _unreal_: :9
09:46 PM _unreal_: :(
09:46 PM _unreal_: oh well
09:46 PM _unreal_: regardless that will give me access to the lathe and mill.
09:46 PM _unreal_: which I plan to convet both to LCCNC
09:46 PM _unreal_: lcnc
09:47 PM lfluffywof: pulleys make lifting things easier.
09:48 PM lfluffywof: have you ever watched davidxnewton's RAMP playthroughs? I just started on the 2025 ones day before yesterday.
09:48 PM lfluffywof: (on the topic of doom)
09:52 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> Descent was my favorite
09:56 PM lfluffywof: I never liked playing them... not a gamer. I had a friend who was very into doom, so I made levels, then he played them. lol
10:03 PM lfluffywof: he had a packard bell 386 that was trash in every way, but ran doom excellently.