#linuxcnc Logs
Aug 14 2025
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12:11 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> hi
04:18 AM Tom_L: morning
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06:40 AM JT-Shop: had to reboot the sat twice to get a non banned ip here
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07:20 AM rdtsc-w: sounds like it's a good time to check all network devices to make sure none are members of a botnet...
07:22 AM rdtsc-w: Once had a Cisco "home" wifi router with a one-touch-setup button on it. Press the button, enter a four-digit code, device is connected. Except that "feature" was never really off, and could not be disabled!, and was trivial to hack - relegated to the recycle pile
08:57 AM Unterhaus_ is now known as Unterhausen
09:25 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> received my Mesa 7c81 and it works with RIO 🙂
09:28 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> the 4th axis seems to be keyed and has the nut for a 5c collet.. I just don't have the nose.. I think it is either a a2-5 or a1-5
09:28 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> have to make some more measurments..
09:29 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> *atleast if I do - I don't know where it is...
09:34 AM wolfluffyf: my mesa boards are still sitting in the box pcw sent me them in.... like a decade ago. heh.
10:07 AM rdtsc-w: blashpemy, wolf! that's technology abuse :)
10:12 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> He just wanted to wait until there was good software available for it. 😆
10:43 AM roycroft: hi folks
11:13 AM roycroft: so i realized i'm an idiot, again
11:13 AM roycroft: i was getting ready to install the voltage reducer that i've been waiting a month to be delivered, when i realized that i'll be using it to control the very power that feeds it
11:14 AM roycroft: that's not going to work out very well
11:14 AM Rab: skunkworks8841, that's a nice 4th axis. The inner six-bolt pattern seems vaguely suggestive of the Acroloc tool holder mount. I can't think of a reason to mount tools in a 4th axis, but maybe there's a common interface that includes collet noses. The outer ring seems like a chuck mount.
11:14 AM roycroft: it's time for a new cunning plan
11:15 AM roycroft: and i do think i have one, but it involves ordering something and waiting for delivery, of course
11:28 AM rdtsc-w: it's pretty common to turn a part to some diameter, then hold it in a collet for milling step
11:46 AM Rab: rdtsc-w, indeed, I have a little (Hardinge?) rotary axis with a 3C taper. Waiting for a good deal on 3C collets since I don't use them for anything else.
11:47 AM Rab: Does not have a lifting eye like the Acroloc rotary.
12:00 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I need to have a good look around - the 5c collet nose might be around here somewhere..
12:01 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> (like I say - the 5c is currently screwed into the rotary - it has a keyway and everything
12:04 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> The Acroloc tooling is very weird..
12:11 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> https://www.ebay.com/itm/256158947257
12:24 PM Rab: Saw that, I'm not sure what to think. I guess it's more rigid than a tapered holder, at the risk of being slightly less concentric.
12:27 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> https://photos.app.goo.gl/Mhj1DAVuTyqTd9Mc8
12:38 PM Rab: What's the retention mechanism? Is there a closer?
12:41 PM Rab: Easy enough to modify or even fabricate a 5C nose, if one were intent on using this feature.
12:46 PM Rab: Kinda jealous, my rotary stage seemed like a good fit for my old Clausing mill but it's pretty wimpy on the Deckel. If getting rid of that Acroloc mill I would be inclined to hang on to the 4th axis.
12:46 PM Rab: https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/mnIAAOSwSLxmUQLO/s-l500.jpg
12:59 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> sure.. I would assume there is some sort of closer.. But not 100% sure.. (unless it was part of the nose..)
12:59 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> https://photos.app.goo.gl/z397Es96idf1uxt96
12:59 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> that tab locks the rear nut.. So - maybe the plugged off fitting is for air? time will tell
01:00 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> na - I doubt it was part of the nose.. would need some sort of slip connection..
01:01 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> a good way to find the original would be to make a replacment.. lol
01:03 PM rdtsc-w: plug may be oil level perhaps
01:03 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> sure
01:05 PM rdtsc-w: Mark over at RotarySMP recently had a vid on a 4th he bought - zero oil in it
01:05 PM rdtsc-w: seals were leaking of course
01:05 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> this certinly needs to be gone through
01:06 PM rdtsc-w: you needed another project, right? :)
01:06 PM roycroft: i think skunkworks8841 may have more projects going on that me
01:08 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> that is oil - right up to the plug
01:09 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> unless your just supposed to tighten it from the back?
01:10 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> that doesn't seem like production.
01:10 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> unless the nose had a mechanical clamp...
01:16 PM Rab: The tab locking the nut is pretty weird. I guess they figured eight steps per rev was enough to tighten the collet just right? The tab also looks like part of it might have broken off, from the photo.
01:20 PM Tom_L: figure the thread pitch and you'll know the closure step
01:24 PM Tom_L: figure 13tpi, if i figured right that would be .009" per slot
01:30 PM roycroft: crisis averted!
01:30 PM roycroft: i'm meeting with a new client in a little bit, my first local client, and realized my business cards still had my eugene information on them
01:31 PM roycroft: i could not find the master file for them, but i just managed to recreate them and printed and cut 50 of them, with my new info
01:31 PM Tom_L: Mr Roy Kroft mad scientist
01:31 PM roycroft: this for my network consulting business, not woodworking business
01:31 PM roycroft: i already have cards for the latter
01:32 PM Tom_L: figure out your catch 22 with the supply?
01:32 PM roycroft: i need to buy something different
01:32 PM roycroft: i'm researching that
01:33 PM roycroft: i had to get the cards done first, as my appointment is at 1pm today
01:33 PM Tom_L: that was 20 min ago... you're late
01:33 PM xxcoder: 11 am btw
01:33 PM Tom_L: i know...
01:33 PM roycroft: not if you're in the correct timezone :)
01:34 PM xxcoder: I always know what time roy is at ;)
01:34 PM Tom_L: you're 3 or 2 away?
01:34 PM Tom_L: i thought it was 2
01:34 PM xxcoder: like roy said, its correct timezone lol
01:34 PM roycroft: the issue with the cards is that i designed my logotype 35 years ago
01:34 PM roycroft: and i could not find a copy of it other than a pdf, which i could not use for this
01:34 PM roycroft: so i had to recreate it
01:35 PM roycroft: and i don't have the same software that i used to create it originally, and the software i have now i'm not very familiar with
01:35 PM roycroft: but i managed after considerable struggle to get it done, and i think the new logotype looks almot identical to the original
01:36 PM Tom_L: i'm not planning to redo all my printed material even though my partner retired at the end of july
01:36 PM roycroft: not many, including professional graphic artists, would be able to tell the difference between the two versions
01:36 PM Rab: Inkscape does a great job of breaking apart PDF elements. I regularly borrow vector art from datasheets and other documentation.
01:38 PM xxcoder: software aging out can be a problem sometimes. I remember that webcomic guy having a major issue 3/4 though the story, the software he used for years stopped working
01:39 PM xxcoder: he had to put it in hatius while he remodeled every charactor in different program. and look was still changed
01:40 PM Rab: A friend of mine had a company logo which apparently had only ever existed on film shot from original line art, enlarged or reduced as needed. I scanned in a big version and traced over the artwork with bezier curves to make an SVG master, it turned out pretty well.
01:40 PM xxcoder: model was almost exact, its just that rendering engine was very different. unavoidable.
01:40 PM roycroft: i found out yesterday that there is only one person who offers computer/network services in this town, and he is busy full-time doing work for city hall and the police and fire departments
01:40 PM roycroft: folks have to wait sometimes weeks to get computer/network issues fixed
01:41 PM roycroft: this new client has been waiting over a month for some simple work to be done, and i'm going to have it done by the weekend
01:41 PM roycroft: she is a realtor, and runs the online area newspaper, and knows everyone in town
01:41 PM roycroft: so i may get a number of referrals
01:41 PM roycroft: *nod*, rab
01:42 PM roycroft: if you have a good copy of the logo it can be digitized for sure
01:43 PM roycroft: sometimes it's a lot of work but it only has to be done once
01:43 PM roycroft: for my networking business it's a logotype, not a logo
01:43 PM roycroft: so just a font with some customizations of the characters i use for my business name
01:44 PM Rab: Inkscape has an OK raster-to-path plugin, but if the source has a lot of generation loss then fudging paths by eye can give a cleaner result.
01:45 PM xxcoder: it usually uses way too many points, so if I use it, I usually use it as starting process, then deleted a lot points as I adjust it for clean look.
01:45 PM roycroft: it was a matter of typing the name into one graphics program, doing a bunch of kerning to get things close, then converting the text into curves, making the final changes by adjusting the handles of the curves, saving it as eps, then importing it into fontographer, and creating a custom single character font out of the imported graphic
01:45 PM xxcoder: nodes
01:46 PM roycroft: then i installed the font on my imac, and now i can pull up the logotype by just selecting that font and typing in the letter 't' (the only letter in that font)
01:46 PM xxcoder: interesting. pretty cool
01:47 PM roycroft: anyway, i'm pretty happy that is done
01:47 PM roycroft: i could have kludged something together quickly, but it would not look very professional, and i want to make a good impression on the client
01:48 PM roycroft: my boss is getting worse and worse every day, and i see the end to my job coming very soon
01:48 PM roycroft: he was going to put me on part-time, and once i get my social security fiasco handled (it's back in my congressional rep's hands, and her office are furious about it), i could live on part time + ss
01:49 PM roycroft: but after almost 35 years of putting up with him, and with his getting worse daily, it might be time for a clean break from that
01:50 PM roycroft: the latest thing is that he's hardly at work, does not respond to emails with any kind of regularity, but has had a habit of encouraging customers to contact him directly with support issues instead of opening tickets in our support queue
01:50 PM roycroft: he then forwards their emails to me demanding that i drop what i'm doing and fix their problem immediately
01:51 PM roycroft: well we had a customer with an email problem who mailed him, and he did not look at the email for over a day
01:51 PM roycroft: she called him, he forwarded her request to me, and then started yelling at me about providing poor customer service
01:51 PM roycroft: and demanding that i fix it immediately
01:52 PM roycroft: unforunately it was an email block at the remote service provider, and while i initiated a request to unblock with them immediately, it takes them several days to effect the changes
01:52 PM roycroft: again, i got yelled at for not fixing it immediately
01:53 PM roycroft: so walking away from all that really would be my best plan
01:53 PM xxcoder: yeah its stress you dont need
01:54 PM roycroft: and i won't try to take any of his customers with me, but i bet several will find me and ask me to take them on
01:55 PM roycroft: btw, the remote provider did respond to me today, days after making the unblock request
01:55 PM xxcoder: setup a very clean leave and cutoff, so that guy cant sue you
01:57 PM xxcoder: from what I see from your comments, your boss is 100% going to blame everything on you and sue you
01:57 PM xxcoder: best retain a lawyer and setup a clean seperation
01:58 PM roycroft: their response: "We have released a modification to our provisioning services that should have a beneficial effect to the situation you are experiencing (this modification may take an indeterminable amount of time to fully deploy.) We are still at your disposal if you do not see a more positive outcome to your experiences with us once remediation is complete."
01:59 PM roycroft: i think that translates into english as "we've removed the block, but it will take a while"
01:59 PM roycroft: i don't think i need an attorney
01:59 PM roycroft: especially since he's moving to virginia
02:00 PM roycroft: he may ask me to sign a non-compete, which i would happily do, as it would be unenforceable
02:01 PM roycroft: i've had two previous employers do that to me, and i signed them telling them at the time that i don't have a problem signing the non-compete because it's so broad it would prevent me from doing any work anywhere, and that they would never be able to enforce it
02:03 PM roycroft: and i am absolutely not going to even give any of his current customers my contact information
02:03 PM Tom_L: will he close shop or pass it on?
02:03 PM roycroft: he'll end up shutting down the isp
02:03 PM roycroft: and i do not know what will happen with the customers who use the isp's namespace for their email accounts
02:04 PM roycroft: most customers have their own domains, and i've always encouraged them to use their own domain namespace for the email
02:04 PM roycroft: but we have a few hundred using our namespace
02:04 PM roycroft: some of them have been customers for over 30 years, and have had the same email address the whole time
02:05 PM roycroft: when he shuts things down i hope he finds a way to keep those email addresses active
02:05 PM roycroft: i could easily set something up to do that that would be simple and inexpensive
02:05 PM roycroft: and that really needs to be done, at least for a year or so
02:05 PM roycroft: if he wants to dump that completely he should give customers a year's notice to get a new email address
02:06 PM xxcoder: it does sound like hes just going to keep going till hes dead at desk
02:06 PM roycroft: it can take that long if you've been using the same address for a long time - there can be a lot of people to update it with
02:06 PM roycroft: probably
02:06 PM roycroft: and that's bad too, if there is no continuity plan
02:06 PM xxcoder: like that college prof that died at his desk just before his class come in.
02:06 PM roycroft: he's wanted to "give" the business to me, but he wants half the revenue from both existing and new customers
02:07 PM roycroft: i could possibly do it if it were just existing customers, but there's no way i am going to give him anything for new customers
02:07 PM roycroft: and i would not promote his brand at all
02:07 PM roycroft: i'd promote my own for new customers
02:07 PM roycroft: and i'd probably try to migrate his customers to the new brand over time, and retire his brands
02:07 PM roycroft: (there are two of them)
02:09 PM roycroft: anyway, i have business cards printed, and am ready to take on new customers for my very old (dating back to the early '80s) consulting company
02:09 PM roycroft: now to find a power supply that fits in my controller cabinet
02:09 PM xxcoder: thought you already fitted 2 48v in
02:10 PM roycroft: yes, but i need 12v or 24v as well
02:10 PM roycroft: that's what the voltage converter was all about
02:10 PM roycroft: but i'm an idiot
02:10 PM roycroft: i was going to power the voltage converter with one of the 48v power supplies
02:11 PM roycroft: and the 12v was going to be part of the e-stop circuit
02:11 PM roycroft: and when e-stop is engaged, it kills power to the 48v power supplies
02:11 PM xxcoder: and killing the convertor. fun
02:12 PM roycroft: yes
02:12 PM xxcoder: I guess it wont need much amps, so small psu would do?
02:12 PM roycroft: and of course, i did not figure this out until i ordered the converter, waited a month for it to take a tour across the country and back, and finally get delivered
02:12 PM roycroft: yes, that's all i need is something tiny
02:12 PM roycroft: a few tens of milliamps is all i need
02:13 PM roycroft: i might use this converter anyway, and continue to use 5v for the e-stop
02:13 PM roycroft: that is one option
02:13 PM roycroft: and since the estop wiring is all inside the controller cabinet, and is very secure, the low voltage should not be an issue
02:14 PM roycroft: it's the limit switches that really benefit from higher voltage, since they're exposed to the environment of the machine, and the contacts could easily get dirty/corroded
02:15 PM roycroft: it's like driving a '50s or early '60s volkswagen
02:15 PM roycroft: when the cars were new, the headlights were nice and bright
02:15 PM roycroft: but over the decades the connections corroded a bit, and 6v doesn't cut through them very well, so they get dim
02:16 PM roycroft: convert the vehicle to 12v and you have bright lights again
02:19 PM xxcoder: lol interesting
02:24 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> lol - when we first setup our company email we did it through centurytel (they offered the service) using our domain.. but the way it worked is we couldn't have the same email as anyone else on the centurtel network.. so there are still employees here that have extra letters in their emails - like johnfr.. (first two letters of their last name..) Yes - they wanted their emails first name - last name initial..
02:35 PM JT-Shop: I had to replace all the headlight connectors on the 82 C3 1 dim, 2 nothing, 1 bright low beam only
02:36 PM roycroft: yes, that's the problem when using the service provider's namespace
02:37 PM roycroft: and used to be a problem (and perhaps still is) with service providers who aren't very clever when they host multiple namespaces but don't know how to keep users unique within each one
02:37 PM roycroft: i.e. we are stupid and we host foo.com and bar.com
02:37 PM roycroft: we have a user who is john@bar.com
02:38 PM roycroft: john who works for foo.com wants john@foo.com but we are morons and don't know how to do that so we tell them they must be johnfoo@foo.com because john@foo.com would conflict with john@bar.com
02:40 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> roycroft: I was able to get security@clear.com and a few other sensitive email addresses for several years
02:40 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> I never used them
02:41 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> They finally disabled them after I had some service issue
02:43 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> Every now and then I get someone that uses an email of mine as their recovery email
02:44 PM roycroft: we get people using support@myispsdomain.com for testing their network monitoring and ticketing systems all the time
02:44 PM roycroft: i have no idea how/why that address got out like that
02:45 PM roycroft: but i have to regularly blacklist addresses who send periodic emails to our support queue (usually ever 5 minutes - that's how folks seem to like to run cron jobs)
02:45 PM roycroft: complaining to the sender never works
02:46 PM roycroft: so i just blaklist their domain and their ip address whenever it starts up
02:47 PM xxcoder: thts quite strange
02:57 PM Rab: roycroft, I surely don't know the finer details here, but it seems to me that you would want e-stop to fail safe in the event of any type of power loss. IOW 12V should not be required to kill power to the 48V PSUs. What if something happens to the 12V power converter and you can't e-stop?
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03:47 PM JT-Shop: IMHO an estop should physically break power to anything that moves or rotates and inform emc that estop event has happened
03:49 PM Tom_L: any luck on your board hunt?
03:50 PM JT-Shop: nope, I did get the new cooktop converted to LP
03:50 PM Tom_L: did it come with both sets of jets?
03:50 PM JT-Shop: but I was a lot more flexible when I installed the old one so I'm replacing the hard pipe with a flex pipe
03:51 PM JT-Shop: yes, you flip a bit in the regulator and replace the jets
03:52 PM t4nk_freenode is now known as t4nk_fn
04:10 PM Unterhaus_ is now known as Unterhausen
07:33 PM roycroft: it looks like the rain may come as soon as this evening
07:33 PM roycroft: that's a change - the forecast up until a short while ago called for light rain on saturday
07:33 PM xxcoder: same for here. maybe rain in afternoon, at 50% chances
07:33 PM xxcoder: er evening
07:34 PM roycroft: i still have all that flooring in my pickup, and while i've found a home for it in the house, that home is not ready for move-in
07:34 PM roycroft: i had best get to work
07:34 PM roycroft: i do not want even a light sprinkle to get on the flooring, even though it's all sealed up in its factory boxes
07:35 PM roycroft: it's mostly overcast here today
07:35 PM roycroft: and it's cooled off a lot
07:35 PM roycroft: so xxcoder
07:35 PM xxcoder: overcast morning, been sunny/partial cloudy since. its still cooler though, ac is barely working
07:36 PM roycroft: i still haven't had time to scan any books with that scanner i got from you
07:36 PM roycroft: but i now have all my fine woodworking magazine collection organized and shelved
07:36 PM roycroft: and yes, i do have every single issue
07:36 PM roycroft: i also have over 200 spares, because i bought a lot that covered 30+ years from someone a few years ago really cheap to fill in some missing issues
07:36 PM xxcoder: very nice. if its never been digitalized ever, then it will be great resource.
07:37 PM roycroft: it's time to sell the spares on ebay, now that i have a complete collection shelved
07:37 PM roycroft: and i can use the scanner to scan the covers of all of them for the listings
07:37 PM xxcoder: hmm id hold on a sec, in case issue you have have damage or writing
07:37 PM roycroft: and yes, eventually i'd like to digitize the issues
07:37 PM roycroft: but for now, the scanner will help me sell all the spares
07:38 PM roycroft: they go for $5 each and up, plus shipping, so there's a lot of value in my spares pile
07:38 PM xxcoder: nice indeed
07:38 PM roycroft: i just thought you might want to know that, while not the original intended use, the scanner is at least going to be used very soon
07:39 PM roycroft: it won't idle as long at my house as it idled at your house :)
07:39 PM xxcoder: lol indeed.
07:39 PM roycroft: i could set up a camera on a tripod to do this, but the scanner will be easier
07:40 PM xxcoder: it having good lighting will help also
07:40 PM roycroft: i have a bunch of studio lights
07:40 PM roycroft: i've been slowly setting myself up to do product photography for my woodworking business
07:40 PM roycroft: and i have all the lighting i need now, i think
07:40 PM xxcoder: sure, though it has 2 lights so it will cover the overhead lighting gap
07:41 PM roycroft: yes
07:41 PM roycroft: the scanner should work as is
07:41 PM roycroft: i'm just saying if i set up the camera on a tripod i have the lighting for that too
07:41 PM roycroft: but that involves setting a lot of stuff up
07:41 PM roycroft: the scanner i got from you is like 2 minutes setting one thing up
07:42 PM xxcoder: indeed
07:42 PM roycroft: less setup time = more profit
07:43 PM roycroft: i shall be swimming in gold pressed latinum in no time thanks to that scanner :)
07:43 PM xxcoder: dont rub your lobes too much
07:44 PM roycroft: i'll find a nice female hu-man to do that for me
07:44 PM xxcoder: lol
07:47 PM * roycroft goes off to prep the new home for the flooring
07:50 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> wow - I got all of that..
07:50 PM xxcoder: lol
08:43 PM roycroft: well i may just have to hope it doesn't rain tonight
08:43 PM roycroft: i have 19 boxes of flooring
08:44 PM roycroft: i moved six of them and started getting pretty tired
08:44 PM roycroft: i pushed myself to 10, so i would be over half done, but that was my limit
08:44 PM xxcoder: got any tarp?
08:44 PM roycroft: i'll probably be recovered enough after dinner for some more, but i don't know if i'll be able to move all of them tonight
08:44 PM roycroft: yeah, i'll tarp what's left if necessary
08:44 PM roycroft: i have 9 left
08:44 PM xxcoder: yeah
08:45 PM roycroft: i'm thinking i can probably move six after dinner
08:45 PM roycroft: and then try for the last three right before bed time
08:45 PM roycroft: but maybe not
08:45 PM roycroft: i also had a power outage during the flooring moving
08:45 PM roycroft: so yay
08:45 PM xxcoder: ow
08:46 PM xxcoder: well you can always move remaining 3 from truck back to inside truck
08:46 PM roycroft: i've gotten really good at saving my files frequently
08:46 PM xxcoder: much shorter trip when tired
08:46 PM roycroft: they're too long to fit inside the cab easily
08:46 PM xxcoder: hmm ok
08:46 PM roycroft: and that would be almost as far as moving them into the house anyway
08:47 PM roycroft: i just looked it up and the boxes weigh 32kg/70.5lbs each
08:47 PM roycroft: a little heavier than i thought, but close to what i thought
08:48 PM roycroft: and i should be able to handle that much weight with no problem, but i've gotten out of shape since my back surgery
08:49 PM xxcoder: I'm always been pretty strong on upper body. my spine is glass, and legs lose strength over time with no exercis
08:49 PM xxcoder: my bro and sis is bit more lucky, they retain muscles all over body for much longer
08:51 PM roycroft: my back does not hurt at all
08:51 PM roycroft: actually i don't feel sore at all anywhere
08:51 PM roycroft: i just found it harder and harder to carry each successive box
08:52 PM xxcoder: running out of energy
08:52 PM roycroft: yes
08:52 PM roycroft: to the point where i was starting to worry that i'd drop one
08:52 PM xxcoder: thats my huge issue right now, I can barely walk a block
08:52 PM xxcoder: yet I can lift 100 lb box easily. fun!
08:53 PM roycroft: my cats are confused again
08:53 PM xxcoder: I still remember when my bro was working office for years. I started bicycling a year or so before him, yet he could easily beat me on bicycling.
08:53 PM roycroft: last weekend a big new bookcase came in the house, and the library was rearranged
08:54 PM roycroft: they got a tunnel out of it which they love, but it was still weird for them
08:54 PM roycroft: and the house smelled like varnish oil
08:54 PM roycroft: that smell has gone away, but now a bunch of big boxes are coming in, and the house smells like oak
08:54 PM xxcoder: well I bet they enjoyed exploring in both space and smell spaces
08:54 PM roycroft: yes, they're having a mostly good time
08:55 PM roycroft: cats are very habitual creatures, and do not like changes to their environment
08:55 PM roycroft: these changes are not enough to stress them out greatly, but probably close to that
08:56 PM roycroft: when i rip up the orange carpet and install the oak flooring, that's going to be a major change, and i expect a lot of stress
09:11 PM xxcoder: it got cloudy pretty quickly, and temp went way down
09:12 PM roycroft: nice
09:12 PM roycroft: i hope that happens here
09:12 PM roycroft: 30 seconds after i finish moving the flooring inside the house :)
09:13 PM xxcoder: home was sigificantly hotter than outside lol so I lowered ac from low stress 79f to 73f'
09:13 PM xxcoder: :)
09:13 PM roycroft: i'm still hanging out on the sofa watching star trek, but almost ready to make dinnner
09:13 PM roycroft: i think i'll move 2-3 more boxes before making dinner
09:16 PM t4nk_fn: thanks to you I can't see a picture of trump without thinking it will go southpark on me and yell 'heeeey guyyy, relaxxxx'
09:16 PM t4nk_fn: hehe
09:22 PM roycroft: i'm both happy and kind of bummed
09:22 PM roycroft: i'm happy that trey and matt got a 1.5 billion dollar deal to continue south park for several years, and are releasing 10 new episodes this year
09:23 PM roycroft: i'm bummed that they're rolling the new episodes out every 2 weeks instead of every week
09:24 PM roycroft: the first two of this season were two of the best episodes ever
09:25 PM roycroft: but now it's time to move a couple or three boxes of flooring and make dinner
09:25 PM roycroft: and perhaps a nice, refreshing mojito
09:27 PM t4nk_fn: yeah, it's been so slow-going for the past years
09:27 PM t4nk_fn: that's why I didn't even realize there were new eps out until you mentioned it
09:27 PM t4nk_fn: heh, but what they sparsely released was absolutely brilliant
09:27 PM t4nk_fn: ;)
09:34 PM roycroft: aah
09:35 PM roycroft: i got five more moved before i pooped out
09:35 PM roycroft: so four to go after dinner
09:35 PM roycroft: and the sky is actually clearing up, but i won't count on that as a trend
09:35 PM roycroft: i think mini-vance was even more brilliant than face-melting noem, btw
09:46 PM t4nk_fn: hehe.. well, I'm not american or up to date in any way, so I don't really know them
09:46 PM t4nk_fn: but the face melting was nice
09:47 PM xxcoder: the mythic water from skies is barely starting!
09:48 PM t4nk_fn: it's kind of a common thing these days.. I mean.. I sometimes see a face melting live at the supermarket
09:51 PM roycroft: so i got five more moved before making dinner, and two while making dinner
09:52 PM roycroft: so there's only two boxes left, and i know i can get that done tonight
09:52 PM roycroft: vance is the vice president
09:52 PM roycroft: noem is the director of homeland security
09:53 PM roycroft: i mean reichssicherheitshauptampt
09:56 PM t4nk_fn: oops, I guess I mightasupposedta've known that then
09:58 PM t4nk_fn: LOL, I just looked up a few pictures of noem :))
10:00 PM t4nk_fn: they sure know how to take advantage of the worst in ppl at sp
10:00 PM t4nk_fn: but honestly, I can never ever see a picture of trump without thinking about south park
10:01 PM roycroft: her claim to fame is that, while running for governor of south dakota, she bragged almost incessantly about having shot her dog when it got sick
10:01 PM t4nk_fn: lol
10:01 PM roycroft: for someone outwith the united states, that information makes that south park episode make a lot more sense
10:02 PM t4nk_fn: yeah, didn't know that, I suspected there had to be something up with that of course
10:02 PM roycroft: the epidsode is hilarious with no context
10:03 PM roycroft: but with context it's 10x as funny
10:06 PM t4nk_fn: mmmmmzz so she actually shot cricket
10:06 PM t4nk_fn: under the guise of 'it was coming right at us!'
10:07 PM roycroft: yes, she actually did
10:07 PM t4nk_fn: wouddabeen nice if they had her shouting that in the ep
10:10 PM roycroft: i'm done with dinner
10:10 PM roycroft: and not ready for the last two boxes yet, but close
10:11 PM roycroft: i might do one in a few minutes, take a break, then do the other
10:13 PM roycroft: nerdforget and adam savage just made a huge leather-bound book
10:15 PM roycroft: and martina was just introduced to a brayer
10:15 PM roycroft: she is in love with a tool
10:16 PM roycroft: (not the first time)
10:24 PM roycroft: one more box moved, but i started losing control of it near the end, so i'll definitely take a break before moving the final box
10:24 PM roycroft: which is the one that the straps came off and will be hard to handle anyway
10:24 PM xxcoder: yeah best to rest a bit
10:24 PM roycroft: 10-15 minutes is all i need
10:25 PM roycroft: it won't be dark for another 45 minutes, so should be able to get it done before dark
10:26 PM xxcoder: interesting. here it gets dark at 8:23 pm today
10:26 PM roycroft: well sunset is around then
10:26 PM xxcoder: and clouds is making it darker faster
10:26 PM roycroft: but there's a half hour of twilight
10:27 PM roycroft: the mountains to the west aren't affecting sunset much right now, but by fall that will make a big difference
10:27 PM roycroft: in the winter it will get dark here an hour earlier than in eugene, even though we're only a short distance east
10:28 PM xxcoder: wow that is pretty big difference
10:28 PM roycroft: sunset was a minute ago
10:28 PM roycroft: but civil twilight is 8:48pm
10:28 PM roycroft: today
10:30 PM roycroft: there is a 1900m mountain just to the southwest of here
10:31 PM roycroft: this time of year the sun is north enough that the mountain does not affect our sunset
10:31 PM roycroft: but in the winter it blocks the sun in the late afternoon
10:32 PM xxcoder: fun. it would affect your solar power if you had them
10:32 PM roycroft: so in the summer, sunrise and sunset are 10 minutes earlier than in eugene
10:32 PM xxcoder: though at mountain? I'd probably go for wind.
10:33 PM roycroft: but in the winter, sunrise is still about 10 minutes earlier, but sunset is an hour earlier
10:33 PM roycroft: yes, it would affect pv cells
10:33 PM xxcoder: I'd have solar panels for hvac in summer, and wind power for heat
10:33 PM xxcoder: those 2 alone is majority of power cost
10:34 PM roycroft: i don't have room for a wind generator
10:34 PM roycroft: but when i redo the roof on the house i'll consider installing pv cells then
10:34 PM xxcoder: theres surpising small ones, but most of them is scam unfortunately
10:34 PM roycroft: we don't get a lot of consistent wind here
10:35 PM roycroft: my town is in a little valley right up by the edge of the foothills
10:35 PM xxcoder: ahh yeah thats not great spot
10:35 PM roycroft: yes
10:35 PM roycroft: if i had a 250m high tower i could probably generate power from the wind efficiently
10:36 PM roycroft: but a tower that tall would cost a fortune, and the roi would be longer than my remaining lifespan
10:37 PM xxcoder: yeah
10:38 PM roycroft: ok, time to get the last box
10:42 PM roycroft: and yay, it's all done!
10:42 PM xxcoder: safe and secure!
10:42 PM roycroft: and the clouds are rolling in
10:42 PM roycroft: i'm expecting a little rain tonight at this point
10:43 PM xxcoder: its barely misty here
10:43 PM roycroft: i'm glad it's going to be a while before i install this, because i have some stuff to wrap my head around
10:43 PM roycroft: when i've installed hardwood flooring in the past, the method was always (like tradition going back hundreds of years) to work off a reference line parallel and close to a wall
10:44 PM roycroft: but it seems that these days, lots of folks snap the reference line in the middle of the room, glue down two rows of flooring with the tongues sticking out of both, having added a spline to connect them, then working to the opposite walls
10:45 PM roycroft: i need to figure out if that makes sense or not
10:45 PM roycroft: at first glance, it seems a good idea
10:46 PM roycroft: but one wonders why, if it's really such a good idea, someone did not think of it decades or centuries ago
10:46 PM roycroft: on the other hand, installing tile has always been laying out lines in the middle of the room and working to the edges
10:47 PM xxcoder: sometimes olvious takes a lot of time to be discovered
10:47 PM roycroft: this new hardwood flooring installation method is similar to that
10:47 PM roycroft: i have at least a couple months to wrap my head around that
10:50 PM roycroft: i still have to decide which rooms get this flooring
10:51 PM xxcoder: yah. like I said, you could lay a few panels and imange the rest
10:51 PM xxcoder: see if like it or not
10:55 PM roycroft: yes, and the last box of flooring was opened
10:55 PM roycroft: not intentionally, but the straps had come off
10:56 PM roycroft: so i can pull a few pieces out and make a little sample to lay on the living room floor
11:43 PM Deejay: moin