#linuxcnc Logs
Aug 01 2025
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:09 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> moin
01:11 AM Deejay: moin
04:20 AM lcnc-relay: <miniwini@> moin
04:25 AM Tom_L: morning
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07:32 AM lcnc-relay: <travis_farmer@> Morning
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07:53 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> is getting prettier and prettier: https://cserver1.multixmedia.org/rio-flow2.png 🙂
07:55 AM Tom_L: sexy
09:56 AM roycroft: it appeaers ups now have a "slower than walking" service
09:56 AM roycroft: they shipped a parcel from northern california to me on tuesday, and the delivery date is thursday of next week
09:56 AM roycroft: i could walk to northern california in 10 days if i had to
10:03 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> shipping seems to never make sense..
10:09 AM jpa-: roycroft: but could you walk that far kicking the packet all the way?
10:14 AM roycroft: it's a fairly lightweight parcel - i could probably strap it to my back and still make the journey
10:15 AM roycroft: it's also just the new lamps for my light fixtures in my studio
10:15 AM roycroft: nothing that is slowing anything down - i have fluorescent lamps in them now
10:15 AM roycroft: they are wasteful and the wrong color temperature, but if i need to do work there i can turn them on and see what i'm doing
10:34 AM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> please provide proof to uhmerican corporations that their consumers are not complete idiots
10:37 AM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> why try to deliver more quickly if everyone puts up with slow
10:51 AM roycroft: i request whenever possible that ups not be the carrier for deliveries to me, but i don't often have the choice these days
10:52 AM roycroft: besides the performance issue, there's still the problem that my driver refuses to step foot on anyone's property
10:52 AM Tom_L: imagine what 3rd world deliveries are like
10:52 AM roycroft: he fears there may be dogs on a property, so he dumps everything on the street
10:52 AM Tom_L: i had a mailman like that for a spell
10:52 AM roycroft: i've had to return items where the original shipper insists on my using ups for the return
10:53 AM roycroft: they schedule a pick up, but since the driver will not step foot on the property it does not get picked up, and i have to drive an hour to drop it off at the nearest ups store
10:53 AM Tom_L: one amazon order i have is taking longer than one from china would
10:53 AM roycroft: tom_l: my driveway gate is wide open
10:54 AM Tom_L: there are invisible fences ya know!
10:54 AM roycroft: if i had a dog that would attack a ups driver, there is nothing between the street and my front door that would stop the dog
10:54 AM JT-Shop: I ordered some stuff from amazon on Monday and they are out for delivery today
10:55 AM Tom_L: maybe we swapped delivery times. mine are all taking longer than normal
10:55 AM JT-Shop: put a sign up "the dog is friendly, beware of the owner!"
10:56 AM Tom_L: tell your appliance repair guy to get a job at ups
10:56 AM JT-Shop: I should fix the fridge when I get back from Collinsville
10:57 AM JT-Shop: actually the issue with the appliance repair guy was the ai scheduler which is very broken
10:57 AM Tom_L: oh
10:57 AM Tom_L: but AI is the be all end all
10:58 AM JT-Shop: he was complaining that he doesn't get any information about the issue and I got a text that prob should have gone to him telling me to bring this and that due to no cooling
11:02 AM Tom_L: i thought you left already
11:08 AM JT-Shop: nope, but soon I "think"
11:13 AM Tom_L: i left you some rpi5 notes over there
11:14 AM Tom_L: i'll check the rpi4 to see if they're the same
11:15 AM roycroft: did you ever get your check for the refrigerator, jt-shop?
11:28 AM JT-Shop: not yet
11:28 AM * JT-Shop heads out
11:30 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> eeev blog just did a video on shipping.. He has had 20+ packages get lost so far this year. (he is Australian) and most of the losses were in canada and us
11:57 AM roycroft: that does not surprise me
11:57 AM roycroft: the us has lost its moral compass completely
11:57 AM roycroft: some might even argue that it's thrown it away
11:58 AM roycroft: the important thing is to collect the money, not to deliver the service
11:58 AM rdtsc: so we've had a Boston Tea Party... about time for a San Diego Shipping Party
12:01 PM roycroft: we need to have a lot of parties to fix our problems
12:03 PM roycroft: imports from canada just went way up in price today because of all that fentanol that is coming down through the border (almost 27kg from 2022-2024)
12:03 PM roycroft: that's a whole way less than 1% of the total fentanol coming into the us
12:04 PM roycroft: we should probably close down the border completely, then nuke everyone in canadia, and then and only then will the fentanol problem go away
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02:30 PM lcnc-relay: <ccatlett1984@> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0l8s9FcH3_4
02:30 PM lcnc-relay: <ccatlett1984@> neat
03:00 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I feel like I probably don't really have a chance on youtube as he has 282 subscribers and that was a well edited video. (I don't try even that hard)
03:06 PM Tom_L: skunkworks, i have 288 and mine are utter crap.
03:06 PM Tom_L: enough to get the point across and that's it :)
03:06 PM xxcoder: honestly post videos whatever you feel like it
03:06 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> yep - that is what I have been doing
03:06 PM xxcoder: my yt channels have quite random videos to show whatever I wanted to show
03:06 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> 1500 subscribers..
03:07 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> If I was more consistant - maybe.. But I am not at that point
03:07 PM Tom_L: one stupid spring bending video has 6.6k views and it's not even the 'good' one
03:08 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> yah - it never makes sense
03:08 PM Tom_L: ok, out to put a spring on the mower that finally failed
03:08 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> most views
03:08 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XntXTuXNfvE
03:09 PM xxcoder: LOL one of my oldest videos become "adult". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKxAKyyNrys
03:09 PM xxcoder: man that was fun game lol. there was so many awesome videos out of that
03:09 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I think it was because it was on the linuxcnc front page for quite a while
03:10 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> lol - never played it
03:12 PM xxcoder: mine was pretty cruddy compared to insane ones
03:12 PM xxcoder: https://youtu.be/WeW0xvOjvHc
03:13 PM xxcoder: its later version that have accerations. mine was also, but besides from intro it wasnt used
03:19 PM roycroft: i don't have any youtube videos
03:19 PM roycroft: i guess i'm not one of the cool kids
03:19 PM roycroft: but i already knew that
03:19 PM xxcoder: I'm not very cool lol
03:19 PM xxcoder: in lest here is pretty cool
03:44 PM Tom_L: roycroft, you'll catch up with the rest of the kids eventually
03:49 PM xxcoder: marius video is pretty cool
03:52 PM roycroft: maybe
04:11 PM Tom_L: ok spring replaced & new kill switch installed
04:39 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
04:43 PM xxcoder: interesting. he uses sewing machine as spindle motor
04:43 PM xxcoder: price isnt expensive
04:53 PM acer is now known as _unreal_
04:53 PM _unreal_: depending on the sewing machine it could be rather powerful
04:53 PM _unreal_: t4nk_fn, sup
04:54 PM _unreal_: ve7it, sup
04:55 PM _unreal_: THIS is the first time I've sat down in my own OWN home with out something pressing on me to get done.
04:55 PM _unreal_: that has a $ and date attached to it
05:03 PM xxcoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9g4bvlIMpE man what a crazy good video
05:05 PM * roycroft has heaps of stuff to do
05:05 PM roycroft: but i put 11 empty boxes out in the recycling this week, so i'm making progress :)
05:05 PM xxcoder: 🎉
05:06 PM roycroft: i put the e-stop problem aside for a couple days, and i'm just getting back to it, and it's still frustrating
05:07 PM roycroft: it shouldn't be my highest priority right now, but i'm finding that whenever i try to work on something else that requires brain power i find myself stressing over the estop thing
05:07 PM roycroft: so i'm gonna try to get that handled asap so i can move on to other things
09:02 PM roycroft: i can't get the linuxcnc e-stop to work in classicladder
09:02 PM roycroft: i have an external e-stop button and that works fine in classicladder insofar as it turns off an indicator and turns on a different one as i wish
09:03 PM roycroft: but getting the software button in the axis gui to work has been puzzling me
09:04 PM NetPipe: https://i.imgur.com/NZ4FDxr.jpeg
09:08 PM rdtsc: my setup is quite a bit different - USB MPG e-stop in the (linuxcnc software) loop, as well as a hardware estop which disables all of the motors. assume you've done your due dilligence - i.e. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=linuxcnc+classicladder+estop+not+working
09:10 PM roycroft: i've done my due diligence, and i think it's just some kind of mental block that i'm having
09:11 PM Tom_L: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBeX-bVDkJw
09:12 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> wow - perfectly half moon
09:13 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> and since when did freshly mowed grass smell really good. i think I am officially old
09:14 PM Tom_L: was cool enough to mow here too
09:14 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I mowed the 'front lawn' tonight. (the lawn in front of the house)
09:15 PM xxcoder: have you told kids to get off lawn yet?
09:15 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> no - not about the lawn.. but other things.. so maybe
09:15 PM Tom_L: waiting on parts for the weed eater so i didn't get a great job
09:15 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I bought mom a battery powered weed eater.. It isn't too bad. I use it.
09:15 PM Tom_L: been alot of 'little' parts breaking on lawn equipment lately
09:16 PM Tom_L: had to get a spring for the mower today that connects the self propelled to the 'trigger'
09:16 PM xxcoder: tempted to say planned design, but honestly enshittification does plenty of that by itself
09:16 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> the brother in law gave up on his john deer mower - So I have a new mower (just have to fix the pto)
09:16 PM Tom_L: spring inside a spring for adjustment
09:17 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> so that makes it 3 riding lawn mowers here.
09:17 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> (I haven't even started one of them this summer)
09:17 PM Tom_L: one for you and one for each kid
09:17 PM Tom_L: :)
09:17 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> yes - the oldest likes to mow
09:17 PM xxcoder: lawnmower drby
09:17 PM roycroft: fresh cut grass has always smelled good
09:17 PM xxcoder: derby
09:17 PM xxcoder: nothing ever smells good to me sadly
09:18 PM xxcoder: neither do anything ever smells bad which is good side lol
09:18 PM Tom_L: my sniffer isn't what it used to be
09:18 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> and it is finally cool here at night... So maybe that helps
09:18 PM Tom_L: 75F atm
09:18 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> 65f
09:19 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> there are so many different ways to connect the estop.
09:19 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> it certainly isn't trivial
09:19 PM Tom_L: yup
09:20 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I was going to send you pictures of the K&T and then decided that probaly wouldn't help
09:20 PM ywolflufff: I have the dewalt 60V attachment-capable weedeater, and it's fucking awesome. I've had it three years, and haven't even touched my gas ones since.
09:20 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> (ladder and hal)
09:20 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I don't remember the brand - it might be dewalt. but it is a common name/
09:20 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> the battery last about as long as I feel like weed eating
09:21 PM ywolflufff: dewalt makes a fucking dozen or so models for some reason, ranging from "utter shit" to "awesome"...
09:21 PM Tom_L: the yt i sent seems to use both internal & external with ladder
09:21 PM ywolflufff: I have 6 batteries, and could use a couple more. heh.
09:21 PM ywolflufff: I run .155" line with a 19" cut... good for blackberries, not good for runtime.
09:23 PM roycroft: this is what is confusing me
09:24 PM roycroft: there is a hal directive to enable the linuxcnc software e-stop
09:24 PM roycroft: # The PyVCP checkbutton simulates a normally closed external E-Stop
09:24 PM roycroft: net ext-estop classicladder.0.in-00 <= pyvcp.py-estop
09:24 PM roycroft: # Request E-Stop Enable from LinuxCNC
09:24 PM roycroft: net estop-all-ok iocontrol.0.emc-enable-in <= classicladder.0.out-00
09:24 PM roycroft: # Request E-Stop Enable from PyVCP or external source
09:24 PM roycroft: net ext-estop-reset classicladder.0.in-03 <= pyvcp.py-reset
09:24 PM roycroft: # This line resets the E-Stop from LinuxCNC
09:24 PM roycroft: net emc-reset-estop iocontrol.0.user-request-enable => classicladder.0.in-02
09:24 PM roycroft: # This line enables LinuxCNC to unlatch the E-Stop in ClassicLadder
09:24 PM roycroft: net emc-estop iocontrol.0.user-enable-out => classicladder.0.in-01
09:24 PM roycroft: # This line turns on the green indicator when out of E-Stop
09:24 PM roycroft: ack, sorry, that was supposed to be a single ine
09:24 PM Tom_L: maybe paste that somewhere
09:24 PM Tom_L: :)
09:25 PM roycroft: i don't know what happened
09:25 PM roycroft: none of that stuff is even in the file i was trying to paste from
09:25 PM xxcoder: copy fail?
09:25 PM roycroft: i'll not risk it again, and will type the one line (so expect my usualy typos)
09:25 PM roycroft: net estop-loopback iocontrol.0.emc-enable-in <= iocontrol.0.user-enable.out
09:26 PM roycroft: if i add that to my hal config when i press the red e-stop button in the gui, i am then able to turn the machine on
09:27 PM roycroft: what i wanted to do was not connect those pins directly, but connect each to a classicladder pin, and then connect the two through classicladder
09:27 PM roycroft: so that i could make other connections with those pins
09:27 PM ywolflufff: I also run a 3ft extension shaft, because I'm tall. total weight with the metal fixed line head, oversized guard, extension shaft, second handle, dewalt's largest powerhead, 9ah battery, is... a lot.
09:27 PM roycroft: something like net estop-out classicladder.0.out-00 <= iocontrol.0.user-enable-out
09:28 PM Tom_L: an out should go to an in
09:28 PM roycroft: but when i do that and create the ladder logic it doesn't work
09:28 PM roycroft: i thought so too
09:28 PM Tom_L: i can't help you with ladder
09:28 PM roycroft: but all the examples i see show pin-in going to classicladder-in
09:28 PM roycroft: and pin-out to classicladder-out
09:29 PM roycroft: i know you can't help with that
09:29 PM Tom_L: then it must be ok
09:29 PM roycroft: i was asked what the problem i'm having is, and i explained the problem
09:29 PM Tom_L: separate those into 2 nets then direct the nets to the ladder
09:30 PM roycroft: i need to make pizza now, so maybe i'll see the issue after my belly is full
09:30 PM roycroft: that's what i'm doing
09:30 PM roycroft: but it's not working
09:30 PM roycroft: i.e. when i press the e-stop release the machine enable button is still disabled
09:30 PM Tom_L: net estop_in <= iocontrol.0.emc-enable-in
09:30 PM Tom_L: same with out
09:31 PM roycroft: when i net the pins back together the buttons work as they should
09:31 PM Tom_L: then connect the net to the ladder
09:31 PM roycroft: yes
09:31 PM Tom_L: and the net can have more than one connection
09:31 PM roycroft: yes
09:32 PM roycroft: net estop-out iocontrol.0.user-enable.out
09:32 PM roycroft: net estop=out classicladder.0.out-00
09:32 PM roycroft: without the typo :)
09:32 PM Tom_L: something like that yes
09:32 PM roycroft: i can do the same with the ins
09:32 PM Tom_L: they're nets too as long as the direction is correct
09:32 PM roycroft: yes
09:33 PM Tom_L: i think (guess) the loopback assumes an internal hal estop loop
09:33 PM Tom_L: using the latch
09:34 PM roycroft: i think the real problem may be that there are actually three pins involved - iocontro.0.user-enable.out, iocontrol.0.user-reqeust-enable, and iocontrol.0.emc-enable-in
09:34 PM roycroft: again without my typos
09:34 PM Tom_L: net estop-reset <= iocontrol.0.user-request-enable
09:34 PM Tom_L: net estop-reset => estop-latch.0.reset
09:34 PM Tom_L: from mine
09:34 PM roycroft: the software e-stop works without loading the latch function
09:34 PM Tom_L: but you're not using the latch
09:35 PM Tom_L: i haven't looked at it that close but i assume the latch expects a separate reset
09:35 PM roycroft: anyway, i think i'm doing it right but it doesn't work so obviously i'm still missing something
09:35 PM roycroft: yes, that's why there are three signals
09:35 PM roycroft: one is the reset
09:36 PM roycroft: but i do need to make dinner now, before it gets too late and my blood sugar goes wonky
09:37 PM Tom_L: it's a puzzle with one piece missing
09:37 PM Tom_L: i went thru that with rpi5 wifi :)
09:39 PM ywolflufff: I'll need to figure this all out too when I have time/money/energy to wire up my mesa boards instead of the parallel breakout board I have connected now.
09:40 PM Tom_L: all is left but to do
10:04 PM roycroft: yes, i'm pretty sure one piece is missing
10:04 PM * roycroft has pizza in the oven and has a couple minutes until it's done