#linuxcnc Logs

Jul 31 2025

12:38 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> moin
01:02 AM Deejay: moin
04:32 AM lcnc-relay: <travis_farmer@> Morning
04:44 AM Tom_L: morning
08:43 AM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> Tom_L i got everything, maybe later can u help me? 🙂
08:45 AM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> first of all i fitting the some sensors
08:45 AM Tom_L: maybe
08:45 AM Tom_L: :)
08:46 AM Tom_L: there are plenty here that can help
08:47 AM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> got the tool meassure thing, 3d probe touch, oil sprayer
08:47 AM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> lot of things to do 🙂
08:47 AM Tom_L: tool touch off _and_ the touch probe?
08:47 AM Tom_L: which probe did you get?
08:48 AM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> the same as yours
08:48 AM Tom_L: k
08:48 AM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> wp-500
08:56 AM lcnc-relay: <travis_farmer@> me thinks tom has an admirer 😉
09:09 AM lcnc-relay: <travis_farmer@> beautiful cool day out... and i can't even work on my lcnc Rpi5... no internet to install stuff 🙁
09:36 AM lfluffywof: no internet to install stuff, but yes internet to chat?
09:37 AM lcnc-relay: <travis_farmer@> cellphone hotspot in the house
09:58 AM lfluffywof: so connect the rpi to it. lol
10:02 AM lfluffywof: bbl, work
11:23 AM roycroft: the piper lake fire is continuing to grow, but it's not too big yet - 13 acres
11:23 AM roycroft: i can see some of the smoke in the distance, but there is no smoke in town at this point
11:24 AM roycroft: prevailing winds are carrying it away from here
11:25 AM roycroft: and my spindle control cable is finally being delivered today, allegedly
11:25 AM roycroft: it claims to be out for delivery
11:25 AM roycroft: more janky wiring that will be cleaned up soon
11:26 AM roycroft: er, i mean, more prototyping that will be replaced with permanent wiring
11:51 AM lcnc-relay: <roguish> roycroft: did the tidal wave get 'ya ???
11:52 AM xxcoder: it'd have to be world ending one to get to roy.
01:06 PM JT-Shop: nap time
01:14 PM roycroft: lunch time here
02:36 PM Tom_L: pcw_work, is the spi for those a straight thru 40 pin?
02:36 PM Tom_L: i ordered some more cable ends
02:49 PM pcw--home: yes
03:41 PM Unterhaus__ is now known as Unterhausen
03:42 PM Unterhausen: there is a huge storm passing by us to the north and south. There must be a force field keeping it away from my gardin
03:42 PM xxcoder: yeah its called heat dome
03:43 PM Unterhausen: I think the heat dome dissipated
03:43 PM Unterhausen: but the storm passed us 10 miles away to both north and south
03:44 PM Unterhausen: it stretches from arkansas to Novia Scotia
03:45 PM Unterhausen: I guess I should go water
03:46 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +o by ChanServ
03:46 PM Tom_L: pcw--home, did you modify the spix driver to work with the rpi4 as well as rpi5?
03:52 PM xxcoder: "flash flood watch" here now
03:52 PM xxcoder: 🤔
03:52 PM xxcoder: its barely cloudy, and chances of rain is below 12%
03:55 PM Unterhausen: I don't think gene's emails to the debian list are actually going to /dev/null
03:57 PM Unterhausen: That would be an accomplishment to aspire to though
04:04 PM pcw_work: I didn't. Bertho S. did
04:05 PM pcw_work: Do you want any other junk/blems for testing?
04:08 PM pcw_work: The new driver is hm2_spix For RPI3..5
04:08 PM lcnc-relay: <travis_farmer@> i will be so glad when my fiber internet gets hooked up...
04:09 PM JT-Shop: I will be so glad when the fiber that is 1 mile from my house is actually connected to something
04:09 PM lcnc-relay: <travis_farmer@> still on Musk internet?
04:10 PM JT-Shop: yup it's the best option I have
04:10 PM xxcoder: when its best option its best option, even if it sucks
04:10 PM JT-Shop: exactly
04:10 PM lcnc-relay: <travis_farmer@> true
04:10 PM lcnc-relay: <travis_farmer@> i have cellular at the moment...
04:11 PM xxcoder: cell here also. I dont need more
04:11 PM lcnc-relay: <travis_farmer@> 4 people in this house watching streaming video... cellular can't do that
04:12 PM JT-Shop: cell is 0-1 bar here
04:13 PM lcnc-relay: <travis_farmer@> i can see my tower at night. not bad in-town, but sketchy much outside of it
04:13 PM xxcoder: unlimited data for 25 usd a month. pretty good deal.
04:13 PM xxcoder: I started using internet on very slow speeds so it doesnt matter if sites load .5 second slower lol
04:13 PM lcnc-relay: <travis_farmer@> carrier? i am on US Cellular and pay more than that 🙁
04:14 PM xxcoder: I still remember 1 hour to download 1 mb lol
04:14 PM xxcoder: its visible
04:14 PM lcnc-relay: <travis_farmer@> i remember 1 day download 1MB lol
04:14 PM xxcoder: theres 35 usd a month deal for better speed but I didnt feel need for that
04:15 PM lcnc-relay: <travis_farmer@> i pay $95 i think for nation-wide calling, and unlimited internet
04:16 PM xxcoder: visible do have hotspot limits, but I easily bypassed that
04:16 PM JT-Shop: I remember having a 1200 baud modem
04:16 PM xxcoder: just tether it to pc and use my pc wifi as hotspot
04:16 PM lcnc-relay: <travis_farmer@> i had a 300 baud with my commodore
04:17 PM xxcoder: if it was multiple high bandwidth it might be issue, but I dont. pc is over 90% of internet use
04:17 PM xxcoder: 2400 baud is what I got first
04:18 PM lcnc-relay: <travis_farmer@> i have my cell tethered too, to my laptop. but my mom is on my hotspot too watching tictok
04:19 PM lcnc-relay: <travis_farmer@> i am tempted to tether to my router, but i wont
04:19 PM xxcoder: visible specifically wont allow you to
04:20 PM lcnc-relay: <travis_farmer@> hmmm
04:20 PM xxcoder: most people cant configure pc wifi as hotspot tho lol
04:20 PM lcnc-relay: <travis_farmer@> true, lol
04:22 PM lcnc-relay: <travis_farmer@> fiber should be installed in a day or so... i hope
04:22 PM lcnc-relay: <travis_farmer@> only 100Mbit anyway
04:57 PM Tom_L: pcw_work, sure
04:59 PM pcw_work: oops boxed already...
04:59 PM pcw_work: (7C80, 7C81)
05:00 PM Tom_L: no problem
05:02 PM Tom_L: so acording to AI hm2_spix was back ported to the whole of the 2.9 linuxcnc branch
05:02 PM Tom_L: is that accurate?
05:03 PM Tom_L: with the release of 2.9.4
05:03 PM pcw_work: Yes
05:03 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, there's yer answer
05:17 PM JT-Shop: thanks
05:17 PM Tom_L: i doubt the pre verison debian is desparately hanging onto has it
05:21 PM JT-Shop: I can say for sure pre doesn't have hm2_spix
05:22 PM Tom_L: that version shows as 2.9.0~pre
05:23 PM Tom_L: i wonder what the upgrade path to that is
05:23 PM JT-Shop: the one you get from debian 12
05:23 PM Tom_L: yes
05:25 PM JT-Shop: https://pasteboard.co/Xcghvr7wwmCS.png
05:25 PM Tom_L: yeah that's what i show i thin
05:25 PM Tom_L: k
05:26 PM Tom_L: in the package manager
05:55 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to -o by ChanServ
07:00 PM _unreal_: dont know what this YOU NEED to backup your computer win11 BS is. Though I may backup this computer raw image backup.
07:00 PM _unreal_: if microsoft thinks they are going to FORCE update boy do they have an other thing comming
07:01 PM _unreal_: only reason I use win is because of the cad softwares I use are ONLY on windows
07:01 PM _unreal_: if they where on linux I wouldnt have a windows machine unless its 98/xp for legacy software/gaming
07:01 PM Tom_L: 7
07:02 PM _unreal_: ?
07:02 PM Tom_L: win7
07:02 PM _unreal_: what abouts?
07:02 PM _unreal_: cant read your mind :)
07:03 PM Tom_L: you should
07:03 PM Tom_L: i have win7 not 98 or xp
07:03 PM Tom_L: oh
07:03 PM Tom_L: and NT4 :)
07:03 PM _unreal_: cant forget nt4
07:04 PM _unreal_: its amazing how easy network file setup and transfer was in 98. and so hard to setup on later distros
07:04 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> we have a windows 95 machine still running at work
07:04 PM _unreal_: what use?
07:04 PM Tom_L: i have 95 & 98 install disks
07:05 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I do at work
07:05 PM Tom_L: 98 se iirc
07:05 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> actually - probably here too
07:05 PM _unreal_: skunk what is that machine used for?
07:05 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> 98se was one of the better distors
07:05 PM Tom_L: yes
07:05 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> coordinate measuring system
07:05 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> currently it is down because the camera quit
07:05 PM Tom_L: table top?
07:05 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> yes
07:06 PM _unreal_: I was a late teen during the win98 time frame. GOD I miss all the online gaming servers
07:06 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> 2d
07:06 PM Tom_L: uses a camera not a probe?
07:06 PM Tom_L: hmm
07:06 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> yes - it has some sort of edge detection...
07:06 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> (we print labels and decals)
07:06 PM Tom_L: i keep this one in a corner of the garage http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:443/~webpage/cnc/cincinnati/CCM.jpg
07:07 PM Tom_L: :)
07:07 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> big garage..
07:07 PM Tom_L: i wish
07:07 PM _unreal_: nice stone
07:07 PM _unreal_: I've got my dads precision stone
07:07 PM _unreal_: GOD!!!!! that thing is heavy
07:07 PM rdtsc: imagine performing a recalibration cert on that uggghh prolly 5-figures at least
07:07 PM Tom_L: it's a rock... what do you expect
07:08 PM _unreal_: the one I have is like? 22x22"x4 ish
07:08 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I think this is the company
07:08 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> https://acu-gage.com/index.php/refurb-systems
07:08 PM _unreal_: I'm trying to figure out where to put the stone
07:08 PM Tom_L: my bud had a Brown & Sharp then another but i dunno the name
07:09 PM _unreal_: My dad used it as a "STABLE" base to mount 3 computers on so they could """" never """" suffer HD harmonic issues
07:09 PM roycroft: i would not feel so all alone
07:09 PM roycroft: everybody must get stone
07:09 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> If you see it .. https://photos.app.goo.gl/Un8zrzMoe228rGRT9
07:10 PM Tom_L: air bearings/
07:10 PM Tom_L: ?
07:10 PM _unreal_: d
07:10 PM Tom_L: at least you covered it first
07:10 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> 🙂
07:11 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I don't know if I have ever seen the stone...
07:11 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I think dad got it - made a cover for it and had been using it as a table..
07:12 PM Tom_L: my bud's b&s got put out in the rain when he sold his business now he has the stone back in his work shop as a regular granite plate
07:12 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> it is about 10" thick
07:12 PM Tom_L: 6-8" yeah
07:13 PM _unreal_: I've so little room in my 1car I'm thinking I'm going to put it in the cnc room of my house
07:13 PM _unreal_: Though I've no real room in that room as well
07:13 PM _unreal_: I'll post pics of stuff sooner or later
07:13 PM _unreal_: I'm just sitting down for the first time today
07:14 PM _unreal_: hell I forgot to go to lowes to get more shelving parts. I've got the wall mounts UP but I dont have the the supports or shelves them selfs
07:14 PM _unreal_: :/
07:15 PM Tom_L: roycroft, ever order from jameco?
07:15 PM Tom_L: good? bad? ugly?
07:18 PM _unreal_: I ordered from them years ago. juave have not had a reason to in some time
07:23 PM * roycroft has an 18"x24" surface plate and a 12"x18" surface plate
07:24 PM Tom_L: height gage for either?
07:24 PM roycroft: for the 18x24
07:25 PM roycroft: the 12x18 i use for sharpening and the like
07:25 PM roycroft: any time i need something flat and solid to work on
07:25 PM Tom_L: i sometimes wish i had one but i don't _need_ it or have room
07:26 PM roycroft: i do precision layouts with dykem and the height gage and the like, then i make the features with the band saw, files, and the drill press
07:26 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> dad has ordered from jameco - they are still around? I think it was vcr parts
07:26 PM roycroft: i think they are
07:27 PM roycroft: i used to order from them occasionally
07:27 PM roycroft: they were more like radio shack than digi-key or mouser
07:27 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> right - more like a surplus outfit
07:28 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I think that is where I got the motors for the emco lathes.
07:28 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> (pittman
07:28 PM Tom_L: i hope they're still around... just got some plugs from them
07:31 PM xxcoder: new project binky
07:31 PM xxcoder: fun one as usual
07:32 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> lol - just started it
07:35 PM xxcoder: man the outro is getting so old. 2 guys look quite a bit younger in ut
07:38 PM rdtsc: they seem to still be around - updated info regarding tarrifs https://www.jameco.com
07:40 PM xxcoder: was curious due to that discussion, checked sciplus.com still around
07:40 PM xxcoder: still has strange stuff
07:42 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> what about edmond scientific?
07:42 PM xxcoder: no idea
07:42 PM rdtsc: used to love allelectronics.com but they closed https://allelectronics.com
07:42 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I remember them
07:43 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> we had a 'surplus outlet' near here. dad loved going there every couple weeks. they had tons of random stuff incluing mills and such
07:43 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> he would call it 'surplus heaven'... He actually would sometimes forget and write that on the check
07:44 PM rdtsc: never know when you're gonna need something stupid, like a single extra electrical outlet or replacement buzzer or whatnot - came in handy. Ex-employees started a new company, and they've taken a few years to get going, but now have similar stuff
07:53 PM jdh: I ordered stuff from Jameco catlogs in the early 90s
07:57 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> 80's probably here
07:58 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> probably still a catalog around here somewere
07:58 PM jdh: american science & surplus had great catlogs
07:59 PM Tom_L: what was that big fat pc surplus catalog called?
08:00 PM Tom_L: i had piles of those
08:00 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> uh
08:00 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> those were awesome
08:01 PM Tom_L: https://forum.vcfed.org/index.php?threads/where-are-they-now-computer-electronics-catalogs-you-used-to-get.47373/
08:02 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> remember radio electronics??
08:02 PM Tom_L: yup
08:02 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I don't remember the name of the pc catalog.. we had a subscription to it..
08:02 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> it was like 1.5 inches thick
08:03 PM Tom_L: it was larger than the average one
08:03 PM Tom_L: yeah
08:03 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> lots of good articles..
08:03 PM Tom_L: i think anyeay
08:04 PM Tom_L: https://www.amazon.com/Popular-Electronics-August-1979-Number/dp/B08XK4KBDX?gQT=1
08:04 PM Tom_L: that wasn't it...
08:05 PM Tom_L: or was it?
08:05 PM roycroft: is there some equivalent of an include directive in hal? i can't find any mention of it anywhere
08:06 PM Tom_L: EQ
08:06 PM roycroft: so in my main .hal i could have a line like "#include myfancything.hal"
08:06 PM Tom_L: that's for subroutines...
08:06 PM Tom_L: oh
08:06 PM Tom_L: include .hal in the ini
08:06 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> computer shopper
08:06 PM Tom_L: yes
08:06 PM Tom_L: that was it
08:06 PM roycroft: i remember computer shopper
08:06 PM roycroft: tabloid on cheap newsprint
08:06 PM roycroft: about 400 pages every month
08:06 PM roycroft: tiny tiny print
08:06 PM xxcoder: I loved computer bits. its full of ads, but had few articles
08:07 PM Tom_L: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/stable/html/config/ini-config.html#sub:ini:include
08:07 PM Tom_L: that's not it...
08:07 PM roycroft: no, that's for ini files
08:07 PM Tom_L: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/stable/html/config/ini-config.html#sub:ini:sec:hal
08:08 PM Tom_L: there
08:08 PM roycroft: oh, i see
08:08 PM Tom_L: iirc there's postgui and shutdown files too
08:08 PM roycroft: i do the "includes" in my ini file
08:08 PM roycroft: not in the main.hal itself
08:08 PM Tom_L: yes
08:09 PM roycroft: i can live with that
08:09 PM Tom_L: i hope so, the rest of us do
08:09 PM Tom_L: :)
08:09 PM roycroft: i like to limit the things i can screw up
08:09 PM roycroft: so if i have a working main.hal file and i want to add a new section that will probably break stuff, i'd prefer to load that as a separate file so i don't accidently screw up the main.hal file
08:10 PM Tom_L: as long as the [SECTION] isn't used in the ini you're good
08:10 PM Tom_L: you typically don't use those in hal files
08:11 PM Tom_L: load order matters sometimes too
08:11 PM roycroft: yes
08:11 PM roycroft: and for that reason it would be better to have an include directive within the main.hal file itself
08:12 PM roycroft: but load order can be worked around with the existing mechanism
08:12 PM Tom_L: i think somebody lately was doing something similar and it was messing him up
08:12 PM rdtsc: Apparently Heathkit is back? https://shop.heathkit.com/collections/products
08:12 PM * roycroft thinks about making dinner and pondering what to do next
08:14 PM roycroft: the parts that arrived today are installed
08:15 PM Tom_L: roycroft, if you separate the files and have issues remember i said that ^^ just in case
08:15 PM Tom_L: i don't quite remember the issue but it was due to separate files
08:15 PM roycroft: yes, i'll remember
08:16 PM roycroft: but if breaks stuff i'll do the right thing and blame biden :)
08:16 PM roycroft: that's the rule these days
08:17 PM roycroft: i'll be sure to call hime "sleep joe" when i blame him, too
08:17 PM roycroft: and if it's still broken i'll blama obama
08:17 PM roycroft: for good measure
08:17 PM roycroft: but right now i'll make dinner and blame nobody but myself
08:18 PM xxcoder: no no you blame biden and thank obama
08:18 PM roycroft: blame canada!
08:19 PM xxcoder: good primative tech today
08:19 PM xxcoder: project binky didnt have autocaptions but thankfully I have live captions program running so I could understand them anyway
08:19 PM roycroft: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOR38552MJA
08:19 PM xxcoder: gonna love tech
08:38 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I have been watching clough42 and he is using the masso.. He kinda talked from the beging how he wanted a cnc that he didn't have to tinker with - he would just work in the confines of the masso control.
08:38 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I see why I like linuxcnc. Yes - it is complicated. But I can almost do anything I want
09:12 PM roycroft: that is exactly what attracted me to emc2 all those years ago
09:12 PM roycroft: complex, but extremely flexible
11:03 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> s[peaking of why linuxcnc is great
11:03 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> https://streamable.com/cwbej3
11:03 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> becasue i will control this with it