#linuxcnc Logs
Jul 23 2025
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:39 AM xxcoder: yeah
01:32 AM BorgPipe is now known as NetPipe
04:25 AM Tom_L: morning
04:54 AM Guest42: Hi!
04:54 AM Guest42: Does anyone use a PROBE BASIC with a lathe?
06:29 AM lcnc-relay: <travis_farmer@> Morning
06:55 AM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> guysss
06:56 AM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> http://gumicsonak.ddns.net/nc/index.php/s/rDA9MsfG5w9f2Xi
06:56 AM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> is this vise good?
07:05 AM Tom_L: for a paper weight
07:39 AM JT-Cave: looks like it's had a rough life
08:38 AM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> ayy
08:38 AM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> http://gumicsonak.ddns.net/nc/index.php/s/Zz7SHLPqLxNN5t8
08:38 AM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> this printer i have
08:38 AM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> for 100$ that vise? I cant find any here.
08:41 AM JT-Cave: you would have to inspect the vise to see if it's any good
08:58 AM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> then i do it
08:58 AM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> thank you!
09:49 AM lcnc-relay: <rs> vevor has +-100€ chinese mill-vices
10:01 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> Dad got me a 4 inch vise for the green machine. I like it.
10:01 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> from vevor
10:09 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> https://photos.app.goo.gl/9wW4u7zvLbVxZbfr7
10:09 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> works good
10:09 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> (and you can see why I added 5 inches to the z axis..)
10:23 AM JT-Shop: nothing better than the sound of a 310a cranking right up and settling into a nice idle
10:23 AM JT-Shop: and I don't know how I fixed it but the fuel gauge works now!
10:23 AM roycroft: congrats
10:24 AM roycroft: vevor have everything from hair curlers to pet food to industrial cnc machines
10:24 AM roycroft: they're an odd company
10:29 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> co-worker bought the movie style popcorn maker.. He loves it
10:38 AM JT-Shop: the hoe even idles better now
10:45 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> nice - great job you 'layed your hands apon it'...
10:59 AM * roycroft ponders which minirouter task to focus on today
11:00 AM lcnc-relay: <roguish> roycroft: hey, got my new router up and going...... it allows 64 devices to be internet blocked, rather than 16 on my old router
11:00 AM roycroft: something is not right with my jst crimping setup
11:00 AM roycroft: i just can't get good, clean crimps
11:00 AM roycroft: so i just now ordered a 3 pin jst ribbon cable that i can use instead of making my own
11:00 AM roycroft: nice, roguish
11:01 AM roycroft: i need to do some network stuff here
11:01 AM roycroft: i want to put my home automation system on its own network, isolated from the computers
11:01 AM roycroft: and i need a wifi access point in my shop - the signal is a little weak in the back corner
11:02 AM roycroft: that may wait until i build the new roof, though
11:04 AM lcnc-relay: <roguish> I have my whole house audio on it's own wifi router. not internet connected at all. and all my cams around the house have static ip and are internet blocked.
11:05 AM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> Went for a walk yesterday down an old trail with a pond....
11:05 AM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> The pond is now just a mud pit with cat tails
11:06 AM roycroft: whole house audio would be nice, and is in my eventual plans
11:06 AM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> I forget, is the Midwest in a drought?
11:06 AM roycroft: and yes, it can live on the same network as the home automation stuff, not on the internet-accessible network
11:07 AM rdtsc-w: midwest seems to have two seasons anymore - cold/wet, and hot/dry
11:07 AM * roycroft also needs to install some cameras, but again, will wait until the roof replacement is done
11:07 AM roycroft: west of the cascades there are two seasons - the rainy season and the tear up the roads season
11:07 AM roycroft: the latter also known as tourist season
11:12 AM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> It's
11:12 AM Tom_L: capn, yes we've been in a drought
11:12 AM Tom_L: but things are starting to look better here
11:13 AM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> It's been tearing up the roads season around Chicago since late covid
11:14 AM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> Maybe LCNC needs an easy to use tool to map button presses to keyboard input
11:14 AM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> USB hid is easy modified
11:15 AM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> Then we can easily make bad guis like fanuc
11:15 AM roycroft: you can probably used flexgui to make a bad user interface if you wish
11:15 AM roycroft: although that was not the intent when it was developed
11:16 AM roycroft: i am really getting frustrated with this relay hat for the rpi
11:16 AM roycroft: it will not allow me to write to it to trigger any of the relays
11:17 AM roycroft: i'm thinking of using a stand-alone relay module - i found a place where i can fit it in my controller cabinet
11:17 AM rdtsc-w: maybe user has to be a member of some group
11:17 AM roycroft: it's not what i want to do
11:17 AM roycroft: i can't talk to it as root
11:17 AM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> rs: vevor very expensive in eu
11:17 AM roycroft: well i can talk to it
11:17 AM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> 30% tariff
11:17 AM roycroft: but it rejects any advances i make
11:18 AM roycroft: vevor varies between 30% and 145% tariff here, depending on dear leader's mood for the day
11:19 AM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> Jah vol mine Cheeto
11:19 AM lcnc-relay: <roguish> never heard of vevor. just looked at it.... interesting
11:19 AM roycroft: they "make" everything, almost literally
11:20 AM roycroft: which means they make virtually nothing, but they brand everything
11:21 AM lcnc-relay: <roguish> like everywhere, just gotta be careful.....
11:21 AM roycroft: so this stand-alone relay module is 4 channels, and it's opto-isolated
11:21 AM roycroft: and i can buy it for $6 on ebay
11:21 AM roycroft: maybe i should just install the thing and be done with that problem
11:22 AM Tom_L: meh, fuss over it a day or two
11:22 AM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> I have a box of those from 1 to 8 channels and 5 to 24 volt control
11:23 AM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> I'd buy them off fleabay or mamazon
11:23 AM roycroft: https://www.ebay.com/itm/254975784263
11:23 AM roycroft: that's the kind i have
11:23 AM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> Few $ ea, very handy
11:23 AM roycroft: i've solved the real estate issue
11:23 AM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> Yup those and similar
11:24 AM roycroft: but i really would prefer to use the hat vs the stand-alone module
11:24 AM roycroft: i might spend a wee bit more time on it
11:24 AM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> Shipping cost more than the price of the board
11:24 AM roycroft: capthindsight_: i can't find documentation on that board
11:25 AM roycroft: on the right side at the bottom there's a jumper
11:25 AM roycroft: i think it uses vcc in to provide power to the board when it's jumpered
11:25 AM roycroft: is that correct?
11:25 AM roycroft: other than that it's all very straightforward
11:26 AM Tom_L: put a meter across it
11:26 AM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> Something like that, use an ohm meter to follow the connections
11:26 AM roycroft: sure
11:26 AM roycroft: it's easier to ask if someone knows the answer
11:27 AM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> I'm not at home so can't help
11:27 AM roycroft: but not hard to deduce if someone doesn't
11:27 AM roycroft: no worries
11:27 AM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> Staying with a friend after surgery
11:27 AM roycroft: it's good to see you back, btw
11:27 AM roycroft: and i presume the surgery went well, since you're still with us
11:28 AM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> Surgery +15 days, and I'm starting to feel like myself again
11:28 AM Tom_L: good news
11:28 AM roycroft: very good
11:29 AM roycroft: speaking of surgeries, i have had a broken tooth for over a year, that requires an oral surgeon to extract
11:29 AM roycroft: it's infected, painful, and uncomfortable
11:29 AM roycroft: circumstances have delayed the procedure, such as my other two surgeries and finishing my move
11:29 AM roycroft: but i finally have an appointment to deal with that
11:29 AM lcnc-relay: <roguish> roycroft: that relay looks just like some I got on Amazon, and use.
11:30 AM roycroft: a very minor thing, but it will make a big difference
11:30 AM Tom_L: not so minor when it hurts
11:30 AM roycroft: i can just tie some io out pins from the mesa board to the relay triggers so i can control things
11:30 AM roycroft: that should be very straightforward to do
11:31 AM Tom_L: yep
11:31 AM roycroft: other than obsessing over making the rpi hat work vs just installing the stand-alone board
11:31 AM roycroft: and i ordered some extra m3 threaded inserts when i got the batch for my spindle controller, so mounting the relay to my cabinet will be very easy
11:32 AM roycroft: i'm not sure if i have any connectors for the inputs, but i can always wire-wrap that end if i don't
11:33 AM roycroft: not ideal, but there will be no mission-critical signals passing through it - initially i just need it for a couple indicator lamps
11:52 AM roycroft: so i am creating, essentially, a light stack on my machine, which is the use for the relays
11:53 AM roycroft: i see in the forum that folks say that the light stack logic can be implemented in hal, but that it's easier to do using classic ladder
11:53 AM roycroft: i have not used classic ladder at all - it is worth learning about it for this?
11:53 AM Tom_L: maybe
11:53 AM Tom_L: jt knows it pretty well
11:53 AM JT-Shop: I find classicladder easy to use
11:54 AM roycroft: i can barely speak hal at this point, so it will probably be a challenge no matter what
11:54 AM Tom_L: personally i'd go the logic route since i don't know ladder
11:54 AM JT-Shop: it's quite simple
11:54 AM roycroft: i want to some pretty straightforward stuff
11:54 AM roycroft: right now my amber lamp is on whenever there is power to the rpi
11:55 AM JT-Shop: https://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc-old/ladder/index.html
11:55 AM roycroft: i want to turn on the green light when the machine is running a program, flashing green when it's paused for tool change or input or something, red when there is an e-stop condition
11:55 AM roycroft: and i want to turn off the other lamps whenever one is illuminated
11:55 AM roycroft: thanks, jt-shop
11:55 AM JT-Shop: your welcome
11:56 AM roycroft: i'll gove that a go
11:56 AM roycroft: i assume that making a lamp flash, and setting the flash period, is pretty easy both using hal and classic ladder
11:57 AM JT-Shop: that is easier in classic ladder
11:57 AM roycroft: ok
11:57 AM JT-Shop: because you have timers that you can use
11:57 AM roycroft: well i want to do that, so classic ladder it is
11:58 AM JT-Shop: the classic ladder interface it a bit clunky but once you use it a few times it gets easier
11:58 AM roycroft: i may want to do something interesting with the red indicator, such as have it flash if the e-stop is a limit condition, and steady if the big red button is mashed
11:59 AM roycroft: or something like that - i haven't thought about it much yet, but i do want the flexibility
12:00 PM roycroft: and absoutely none of this is necessary for this tiny machine, but it will translate to bigger builds down the road, so i'll do it anyway
12:06 PM JT-Shop: when you start the editor open symbols and add descriptive names to the pins
12:10 PM roycroft: ok
12:10 PM roycroft: i've skimmed through your tutorial and i'm deciding which youtube tutorial to watch
12:10 PM roycroft: there are a lot of bad ones :)
12:10 PM roycroft: it looks like it should be pretty straightforward to figure out though
12:11 PM roycroft: i've decided to give up on the rpi hat - i'll pull it and try to make it work with a different pi later on - so at lunch time i'll work on installing the relay and maybe wiring it up so i can start testing
12:12 PM roycroft: in a way it will be better, because the indicators are 120vac, have short pigtails, and are located right next to the 120vac power bus
12:12 PM roycroft: the rpi is on the opposite side of the cabinet, so to use it i'd have to run 120v wires all the way to the back and back to the front
12:13 PM roycroft: but if i mount the relay by the indicators, where it fits best, all the ac stuff will stay localized, and i'll just need to run signal wires to the back
12:14 PM * roycroft is convincing himself that this is the better option
12:20 PM xxcoder: good morning
12:30 PM * JT-Shop needs a break
12:31 PM pcw---home: Blinking a light is pretty easy in hal also (if 50% is OK the siggen comp will do)
12:33 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> right - I use ladder for more complicated stuff..
12:33 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> but - ladder - if you are used to it.. might be quicker
12:33 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> and it is more visual
12:35 PM roycroft: i think classic ladder will be very useful
12:36 PM roycroft: and the tutorial i decided to watch is explaining it pretty well
12:36 PM roycroft: it's by "the feral engineer"
12:36 PM roycroft: not a lot of views, but this is linuxcnc, not cat videos
12:41 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> The gui is a bit odd - but once you get used to it - it is pretty easy
12:42 PM rdtsc-w: every linux gui is a bit odd :)
12:44 PM lcnc-relay: <roguish> roycroft: it's not really too complicated. I used to use it. If I can, you certainly can
12:49 PM roycroft: no, it's not
12:49 PM roycroft: and i like how it shows the logic visually
12:50 PM roycroft: when i get this new relay board installed and wired up i'll start by controlling the amber indicator with classic ladder
12:52 PM roycroft: what would be ideal is for amber to start flashing on power up, and glow steadily once linuxcnc is started, but i'd have to add a flasher circuit to do that which i could bypass when linuxcnc starts
12:53 PM roycroft: something else to squeeze in the cabinet :)
12:55 PM xxcoder: maybe doc who can help you ;)
12:57 PM lcnc-relay: <roguish> roycroft: ladder logic is not difficult
12:57 PM roycroft: i can see already that it's going to be easier than doing the logic in hal
12:57 PM roycroft: and much easier to modify
12:59 PM roycroft: the hardest part of this whole operation will be installing the relay board
01:00 PM roycroft: i have to drill for and install the threaded inserts manually for m3 screws, and the mounting holes in the board are 3.1mm in diameter
01:00 PM roycroft: not a lot of wiggle room
01:01 PM roycroft: i should probably 3d print a mounting block for it, but where's the fun in that?
01:26 PM JT-Shop: https://ibb.co/Y7sJ91PT
01:26 PM JT-Shop: https://ibb.co/TM74wj4k
01:27 PM JT-Shop: roycroft, a simple example using halui.machine-is-on
01:28 PM JT-Shop: postgui.hal net machine-on halui.machine.is-on => classicladder.0.in-00
01:29 PM roycroft: thanks
01:29 PM roycroft: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkIk8c7axxQ
01:29 PM roycroft: that's the tutorial i just watched
01:29 PM roycroft: i thought it was pretty good - it was thorough and succinct
01:29 PM roycroft: and logical
01:30 PM JT-Shop: yup he's pretty good and correct
01:30 PM xxcoder: lol did wonder if clone would comen up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5xDmslfzvs
01:30 PM xxcoder: come up
01:30 PM roycroft: there's a part 2 that i'll watch later
01:31 PM roycroft: it's pink!
01:31 PM roycroft: now girls can do cnc!
01:31 PM xxcoder: whats interesting is that its open source
01:32 PM roycroft: i wonder how many shaper patents it's violating :)
01:32 PM xxcoder: 790 usd for a kit
01:32 PM xxcoder: thats whole 2k usd less
01:32 PM roycroft: or $1k less
01:33 PM roycroft: i bought a refurbished gen 1 for $1800 from shaper
01:33 PM xxcoder: honestly price is still too high lol. parts look like you can source from dead 3d printer and cheapie dc spindle kit
01:35 PM xxcoder: whats more unusual is what looks like watch display
01:36 PM xxcoder: kit would probably be worth it, if dont want to work lot of time sourcing parts
01:45 PM xxcoder: anyway its definitely interesting, even if it will never be new shaper
01:51 PM JT-Shop: the seat on the 310A is very heavy with cast base and very difficult to get to the bolts
01:51 PM JT-Shop: got to the last bolt and something was in the threads so I had to take the seat back off and run a tap down the hole...
01:57 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> yeck.. The ford 4000 has 2 bolts holding the seat on
01:58 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> (which now holds the hydraulic valve and tank)
01:58 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> so far so good
02:00 PM miss0r: pere: The VFD i had floating around was too small. I must have misremembered. But I have a friend with a truckload of them at work that are heading for the great beyond. He will take a look tomorrow. He is pretty sure he has a a 15kw unit. if he doesn't he is 100% sure he atleast has a 11kw unit. I will get back to you soon
02:01 PM pere: miss0r: thanks. I've been working on spindle orientation today, and got the HAL setup limping along, but the VFD do not like the instructed moves. :)
02:08 PM JT-Shop: propane tanks are full and I burned about 100 more gallons than last year
02:11 PM JT-Shop: between the two tanks I have 665 gallons of propane for each winter
02:13 PM miss0r: pere: I would imagine it has a hard time doing anything but ramp up and down realy realy slowly
02:15 PM JT-Shop: hi miss0r
02:16 PM miss0r: hello JT - long time no see
02:16 PM JT-Shop: how's it going over there?
02:17 PM xxcoder: hey mis been a bit also lol
02:17 PM miss0r: What didn't wash away in a ridiculous rain storm during the week is atleast clean :)
02:17 PM miss0r: yeah, hello xxcoder.
02:17 PM miss0r: I sort'a reconnected with IRC after my visit to the norway linuxcnc gathering
02:17 PM JT-Shop: we are in the middle of a heat wave here
02:18 PM xxcoder: fun. short spike of hot temp here today. will be 84f. not too bad but yeserday and tomorrow is in 70s
02:18 PM miss0r: He had that, then we had the rain :) But by your standards what we had was probably just slightly warm followed by a drizzle :D
02:20 PM miss0r: we had 88f for three days, then we had a downpour of up to 160mm in 24 hours
02:20 PM xxcoder: what that mythic water fall from skies thingy?
02:20 PM miss0r: to you, that is 6.3"
02:21 PM JT-Shop: LOL I just used my calculator to sort that out
02:21 PM miss0r: :)
02:21 PM JT-Shop: and 6" is a lot of water in 24 hours
02:21 PM miss0r: Apparently that hasn
02:21 PM xxcoder: it havent rained besides brief rain last month. this summer sucks as usual though little bit cooler
02:21 PM miss0r: 't happened around here since 1931
02:22 PM * miss0r is glad to be living on a hill
02:22 PM * JT-Shop is also living above the high water mark
02:23 PM miss0r: xxcoder: I suppose the desert floor below you is starting to crack?
02:23 PM xxcoder: desert floor?
02:23 PM miss0r: if it hasn't rained since last month? sounds kind'a deserty to me :)
02:24 PM xxcoder: on discord for millenium mills theyre talking about ultrasonics and someone discovered that their collets is super dirty lol
02:24 PM xxcoder: ahh nah its rainforest biome here
02:24 PM xxcoder: more and more ironic now. it used to rain in least once a week during summers.
02:24 PM miss0r: This climate of ours is going haywire
02:26 PM miss0r: But at the moment I am seated in a cushy seat in our RV, while the misses is tucking in the kids. Sun is just above the horizon and the white wine is waiting in the fridge.
02:27 PM miss0r: So I guess what i'm trying to say: I can't wait to get back to work monday
02:28 PM pere: do not sound like you have it too bad. :)
02:28 PM roycroft: the relay board is installed, and the amber lamp is wired through the relay
02:28 PM roycroft: so the hard part is done
02:29 PM miss0r: pere: I can't....well *shouldn't* complain
02:29 PM pere: where is the fun in that. :)
02:30 PM miss0r: Indeed :-]
02:30 PM miss0r: I wonder if andy ever got over ordering the worlds smallest beer
02:31 PM roycroft: was he just in mexico?
02:44 PM * roycroft remembers getting beer in what were essentially juice glasses in mexico
02:44 PM miss0r: What? do mexicans serve small beers?
02:44 PM roycroft: they used to
02:44 PM roycroft: i haven't been there in over 40 years, but they used to serve crappy mexican pilsners in tiny glasses
02:44 PM miss0r: I've never been. But I don't suppose I could cure the amount of sweat I would produce with such small beer glasses
02:44 PM miss0r: anyway. I can hear the misses moving around now. Its time for that white wine. See you guys around
02:44 PM xxcoder: 👋
02:44 PM pere: see you. :)
02:44 PM roycroft: kölsch is served in relatively small glasses - they're about 250ml, but for a good reason
02:45 PM * roycroft checks really quick
02:46 PM roycroft: yeah - that does it
02:46 PM roycroft: there's a ladder editor option now
02:47 PM roycroft: thanks
02:47 PM roycroft: i haven't wired anything to the relay board yet, other than the amber indicator, which is normally closed and works without board power
02:47 PM roycroft: so after work i can do that, and start playing with classic ladder
02:48 PM roycroft: that might be a good way to do the e-stop logic as well
02:48 PM JT-Shop: I use the estop component for external estops
02:48 PM roycroft: and it just so happens that my relay board is located near the e-stop button, the board needs 6 control/low voltage power wires, and the e-stop needs 2 wires
02:48 PM rmu: ladder editor is clumsy
02:49 PM roycroft: a piece of cat6 would be perfect for that wiring
02:49 PM JT-Shop: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/47-hal-examples/25861-external-e-stop
02:49 PM roycroft: it seems to me that it's easier for what i'm doing than doing it in hal
02:49 PM JT-Shop: yup the ladder editor takes a bit to get used to it
02:49 PM rmu: watch out for wrap around of indices
02:50 PM rmu: so e.g. if you configure ladder with 10 timers and you use 11, timer number 11 is timer number 1
02:50 PM rmu: resp. 10/0 if 0 based, don't remember
02:50 PM roycroft: i'd say the clumsiest thing about it that i see so far is that you have to type in the names of all the objects you're connecting
02:50 PM roycroft: it would be nice to be able to select them from a pull-down list
02:51 PM roycroft: typos happen
02:51 PM xxcoder: no auto complete?
02:51 PM roycroft: and with me they happen a lot
02:51 PM rmu: you have to wire stuff up in a .hal file
02:51 PM roycroft: xxcoder: it has no concept of what the available objects are
02:51 PM xxcoder: ok
02:51 PM JT-Shop: it took quite a bit of effort from Chris to add classic ladder to emc
02:51 PM rmu: and it shows the name of connected signals
02:51 PM roycroft: yeah, that's the other thing
02:51 PM rmu: somewhere...
02:52 PM roycroft: implementing logic in classic ladder requires both classic ladder and hal configuratino
02:52 PM JT-Shop: yup you connect hal to classic ladder in hal
02:52 PM roycroft: but it still seems like a good way to go, especially if you're not sure about the logic or would tend to change the logic over time
02:52 PM rmu: it is nice that you see "live" what the rungs are doing, and you can change it easily without constantly restarting linuxcnc
02:53 PM roycroft: once the pins are wired to classic ladder inputs/outputs you can change the logic however you want without having to touch the hal file any more
02:53 PM JT-Shop: yup
02:54 PM rmu: i typically use it for interlocks and similar stuff where coding that up with hal and/or/lut5 components would be too messy
02:54 PM roycroft: right now i'm going to use it for my front panel indicators
02:54 PM roycroft: and i'm not sure when i want to activate the indicators, when i want them to be on steady, and when i want them to flash
02:55 PM JT-Shop: so I guess tomorrow I'll attempt to load the surface grinder on the trailer
02:55 PM roycroft: so if i just wire them up in hal i can work out the logic in classic ladder
02:55 PM roycroft: you've been trying to do that for a long time not, it seems, jt-shop
02:55 PM JT-Shop: a lot longer than I care to think about
02:55 PM xxcoder: empire needs to send some stormtroopers to help
02:55 PM rmu: be sure to press "save" in the editor, and put everythin in version control
02:56 PM JT-Shop: it's been quite an ordeal starting with just moving stuff in the machine shop to get to the surface grinder
02:57 PM roycroft: my config directories have a bunch of ,v files :)
02:57 PM roycroft: and yeah, i still use rcs for this kind of version control
02:57 PM roycroft: git for projects, rcs for files
02:57 PM JT-Shop: rcs?
02:58 PM roycroft: yeah, it's an older version control system
02:58 PM roycroft: it succeeded sccs
02:58 PM roycroft: if i were a young whippersnapper that had never used rcs i'd probably use git for config files
02:59 PM roycroft: but rcs is a lot easier for version control of individual files
02:59 PM roycroft: and i've been using it since it was first released in the early '80s
03:01 PM roycroft: rcs is not suitable for managing projects, though
03:01 PM roycroft: and an attempt was made to facilitate that - cvs - but that was an ugly mess that never worked well
03:02 PM JT-Shop: I just leave the configuration files open in pluma until I'm happy
03:03 PM JT-Shop: and I got a 15% off from LG... for any purchase from LG
03:03 PM rmu: rcs? co, ci?
03:03 PM roycroft: subversion was the first decent project management version control system, but for reasons i do not recall, linus torvalds hated it and wrote git
03:03 PM roycroft: yes, rmu
03:03 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
03:03 PM roycroft: co, ci are the two most common rcs commands
03:04 PM roycroft: and git has become the standard
03:04 PM rmu: never liked that you had to explicitly check out stuff
03:04 PM xxcoder: on git?
03:04 PM roycroft: well you don't, actually
03:04 PM roycroft: on rcs
03:04 PM roycroft: ci -l file
03:04 PM roycroft: checks in a file and locks it
03:04 PM rmu: subversion.... that also sucked.
03:04 PM roycroft: then you edit it
03:04 PM roycroft: having forgotten to check it out
03:04 PM rmu: their idea of branches and tags didn't work out
03:05 PM roycroft: so you just do rcs -u file to unlock it, and then ci -l file to check in your changed version and lock it
03:05 PM roycroft: you don't have to explicitly check it out
03:05 PM roycroft: but it's always best to check out with a lock
03:05 PM roycroft: especially when more than one person has access to the file
03:05 PM rmu: things really improved with mercurial
03:06 PM roycroft: mercurial had a rather mercurial lifespan :)
03:06 PM rmu: and similar systems
03:06 PM roycroft: mercurical, rather
03:06 PM rmu: mercurial is still in use, IIRC even facebook uses it (or some in-house clone)
03:07 PM rmu: git is more or less the same conceptually, better performance, but completely braindead user interface
03:07 PM roycroft: my history of version control systems that i actually used is sccs -> rcs -> rcs + git
03:07 PM roycroft: sccs was an abomination
03:08 PM roycroft: it did not store deltas
03:08 PM rmu: and git documentation https://subcrypt.subcryption.com/
03:08 PM roycroft: every version was a complete copy of the file
03:08 PM roycroft: but it's what we had until 1982
03:08 PM roycroft: it was developed at bell labs
03:09 PM roycroft: who had money, and could afford storage
03:09 PM rmu: never got to use sccs, i used rcs back in the 90ies, later in the 00s got to see visual source safe, that was easily the worst system i have seen
03:09 PM rmu: then rational clear case. which was also an abomination
03:09 PM roycroft: but when hard drives cost $6/MB, one paid attention to what one stored
03:11 PM JT-Shop: I remember paper covering the walls of my office with spreadsheet printouts to manage the production at the nail plant I ran
03:11 PM rmu: clear case presents you with something like a FUSE filesystem view into the repository, and you have to specify via a very very convoluted "config spec" file / language what you get to see
03:11 PM JT-Shop: it was the only way to see all the formulas lol
03:11 PM JT-Shop: with dot matrix printer paper
03:50 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> linuxcnc used subversion iirc before git
03:52 PM JT-Shop: I remember when they changed it to git
03:54 PM JT-Shop: now I need to get the small chainsaw out and cut a couple of small trees down...
03:56 PM Tom_L: no end...
04:00 PM roycroft: subeversion was kind of a flash in the pan thing
04:00 PM roycroft: subversion, rather
04:00 PM JT-Shop: yes, there is an end... and I'm almost there
04:01 PM roycroft: i think that both linus' incessant whining about all other version control systems and his getting git written and the linux kernel moved to it in a matter of a couple weeks really killed off most previous version control systems
04:05 PM roycroft: anyway, when i was on my break i found my wire wrap tools and was able to wire wrap the power pins on the relay board
04:06 PM roycroft: i'd rather have a plug for it, but i don't have one, so wire wrap will have to do
04:06 PM roycroft: the pins are square enough for proper bite, but i'm not sure if they're hard enough
04:06 PM xxcoder: should be fine short term
04:07 PM roycroft: probably long term too
04:07 PM roycroft: and my controller cabinet is probably one of the few recently build ones in the world with wire-wrap connections :)
04:08 PM roycroft: so maybe i'll just leave it that way
04:09 PM rmu: IIRC mercurial predated git, but it was too slow for linux/linus
04:09 PM roycroft: yes it did
04:09 PM roycroft: and yes it was
04:10 PM roycroft: mercurial/subversion were contemporaries
04:10 PM roycroft: both coming after rcs and before git
04:10 PM rmu: subversion did exit, but was entirely unusable
04:10 PM rmu: for kernel dev
04:10 PM rmu: merging was very painful and errorprone in subversion
04:11 PM rmu: then there were really strange ones like darcs
04:12 PM rmu: with some kind of quantum theory inspired patch theory
04:13 PM rmu: and TLA
04:13 PM roycroft: have you ever uses cvs?
04:13 PM roycroft: used
04:13 PM rmu: that put everything into tar archives
04:14 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> wait - maybe linuxcnc used cvs before git
04:14 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> not subversion
04:14 PM rmu: yes, a bit. it's just a CVS frontend for RCS IIRC
04:14 PM roycroft: cvs was fine
04:14 PM roycroft: except locking was broken
04:14 PM roycroft: and ownership/permissions were broken
04:14 PM rmu: cvs was fine until it wasn't
04:14 PM roycroft: and there was no data integrity
04:14 PM rmu: aborting a merge could be catatstrophic
04:14 PM roycroft: but other than that it was fine
04:15 PM rmu: linuxcnc was in CVS at first
04:15 PM rmu: like everything on sourceforge
04:15 PM rmu: openbsd somehow beat cvs into a form that's useable for them
04:15 PM roycroft: i still use rcs on a daily basis, almost hourly basis
04:16 PM roycroft: i have not used cvs at all in this century, i think
04:16 PM rmu: and i think there is even a cvs interface built into git
04:16 PM roycroft: but i gave it a good go in the late '90s
04:16 PM * JT-Shop goes to fill up the deer feeder which he forgot to fill up Saturday
04:16 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> Hmm - andy pushed the tormach trajectory planner into a branch on git..
04:17 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> github
04:17 PM rmu: I use mercurial for personal stuff and whatever else for external stuff
04:18 PM rmu: new trajectory planner?
04:18 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> well - same guy wrote it - but the tormach TP (IIRC) has read-ahead on all axis - not just xyz
04:18 PM rmu: this? https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/tree/Tormach_9_axis
04:19 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> yes
04:19 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/pull/3524
04:20 PM rmu: interesting
04:20 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> it doesn't work yet - but on the a request andy wrote
04:20 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/issues/3523#issuecomment-3109814178
04:20 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> that is exciting
04:21 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> n-segment read ahead on all axis - instead of falling back to 1 segment on abcuvw
04:32 PM * JT-Shop has but one task left for today and it involves a chainsaw
04:43 PM Tom_L: make it a success
04:43 PM Tom_L: kid had a front fork seal blow out on the way home today
04:43 PM Tom_L: nice wake up call for him
04:44 PM JT-Shop: wow, that bike is not that old
04:44 PM Tom_L: not sure how common that is but i wouldn't think on a new bike...
04:44 PM JT-Shop: I've had a leaker twice but never a blow out
04:44 PM Tom_L: they said 3 weeks....
04:44 PM Tom_L: i called them and they're picking it up friday
04:44 PM JT-Shop: to wait for parts?
04:45 PM Tom_L: scheduling
04:45 PM Tom_L: i changed their schedule a bit
04:45 PM JT-Shop: ah ok cause it only takes a couple of hours to rebuild forks
04:45 PM Tom_L: i would think they'd fix them both too?
04:45 PM JT-Shop: it's not rocket science
04:45 PM Tom_L: even though only one is leaking?
04:45 PM JT-Shop: yup don't do just one
04:45 PM Tom_L: i wouldn't think so
04:46 PM Tom_L: i'll make sure they know that
04:46 PM Tom_L: got on the front disc so he had to do some fast thinking
04:46 PM JT-Shop: a couple of seals, a plastic bushing and a o-ring or two
04:46 PM Tom_L: right
04:46 PM Tom_L: didn't you make a slide tool for yours?
04:47 PM Tom_L: to put the seals in
04:47 PM JT-Shop: wow it really blew out to get on the front rotor
04:47 PM JT-Shop: yup
04:47 PM JT-Shop: easy
04:47 PM Tom_L: yeah, all over his jeans etc
04:47 PM Tom_L: seems rather uncommon to me
04:47 PM JT-Shop: I've never seen one blow like that just leakers
04:48 PM Tom_L: i can see them leaking after some miles of wear
04:48 PM Tom_L: yeah
04:48 PM Tom_L: guess we'll see how this plays out
04:50 PM Tom_L: ~2k miles...
04:50 PM JT-Shop: damn
04:50 PM JT-Shop: I've always been a Honda guy because of quality
04:50 PM Tom_L: something wasn't put together right i'd say
04:51 PM Tom_L: yeah i knew you like honda and i'd tend to agree with that
04:52 PM JT-Shop: been riding Honda's since 68
04:52 PM Tom_L: my first bike was a small honda
04:52 PM Tom_L: i haven't had one in years though
04:52 PM JT-Shop: I did have a Suzuki once
04:53 PM Tom_L: same here i think, one of the other jap bikes
04:53 PM Tom_L: that one was a dirt bike
04:55 PM JT-Shop: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzuki_GT550
04:55 PM Tom_L: i don
04:55 PM Tom_L: i don't remember much about either one of mine
04:55 PM JT-Shop: that bike was a beast
04:55 PM Tom_L: yeah it looks like it could get you into some trouble
04:57 PM Tom_L: his is 1800cc
04:58 PM JT-Shop: getting my first job offshore I rode it down to Grand Isle and they said can you make it Venice in x hours I said sure and did like 100 up to the west bank and 100 down to Venice
04:58 PM Tom_L: :)
04:59 PM JT-Shop: that was the scary old days lol
05:00 PM Tom_L: i think we were all a bit oblivious back then
05:00 PM JT-Shop: yup
05:01 PM JT-Shop: I did what I had to do to make it and it worked out in the end
05:01 PM Tom_L: they broke that mold
05:01 PM JT-Shop: I think so
05:03 PM Tom_L: chicken rice casserole tonight
05:04 PM roycroft: i'm having pizza with friends tonight, if i make it to town
05:04 PM roycroft: which i think i will
05:04 PM roycroft: whether i make it back home or not i'm not sure
05:13 PM * JT-Shop sprayed some tree-be-gone and is done for the day
05:14 PM * roycroft heads to town an hour early, hoping to make it ok
05:15 PM Tom_L: traffic?
05:15 PM roycroft: my clutch is slipping
05:15 PM JT-Shop: all that's left to do is load the grinder on the trailer
05:15 PM roycroft: and i can't get it replaced until friday
05:15 PM JT-Shop: on the truck?
05:15 PM roycroft: it's not too bad, though, so if it doesn't get any worse it will just take me a little longer
05:15 PM roycroft: no, the pickup has an automatic transmission
05:15 PM Tom_L: ahh yeah i forgot about that...
05:16 PM roycroft: it's the veloster
05:17 PM roycroft: i could skip my dinner engagement and i have enough groceries to last for a while, but i'm out of cat food
05:17 PM JT-Shop: cat food is important
05:17 PM roycroft: and there's nowhere to buy it here
05:17 PM roycroft: it is
05:17 PM roycroft: my cats' bowl is half full, and it will last another day or so
05:17 PM JT-Shop: no cat food there?
05:17 PM roycroft: but not longer than that
05:18 PM roycroft: the local grocery store has some really crappy food that would probably make my cats sick
05:18 PM roycroft: and of course it's really expensive
05:18 PM JT-Shop: ah understand that
05:18 PM roycroft: $20 for a tiny bag of ash and garbage
05:18 PM roycroft: vs. $30 in town for a big bag of quality food
05:18 PM roycroft: i should be ok
05:18 PM JT-Shop: chewey?
05:19 PM roycroft: the trip to town is mostly flat, and a little downhill, but no uphill driving
05:19 PM roycroft: i can probably go the speed limit in 5th gear
05:19 PM JT-Shop: save on gas?
05:19 PM roycroft: 6th gear would slip
05:20 PM roycroft: and coming home i'll probably have to drop to 4th gear on the hills (there are only a few), but it will be late enough that there will be little traffic and if have to take the hills below the speed limit i won't annoy too many people
05:20 PM roycroft: theoretically
05:21 PM roycroft: anyway, i should be off, so that i have plenty of time if things don't go as planned
05:21 PM roycroft: oh btw
05:21 PM roycroft: that relay board provides 5v to the coils
05:21 PM roycroft: and it needs to ground them to activate the relays
05:21 PM roycroft: can the 7196s take incoming signals to ground?
05:21 PM roycroft: 7i96s, that is
05:22 PM JT-Shop: not sure about the inputs usually they are sourcing
05:22 PM roycroft: outputs?
05:22 PM roycroft: that's actually what i need
05:22 PM roycroft: i need the 7i96s to activate the relays, so i guess it's outputs
05:23 PM roycroft: but can the output be a ground connection?
05:23 PM JT-Shop: outputs can be sinking or sourcing
05:23 PM roycroft: ok
05:23 PM roycroft: then i should be able to make it work
05:23 PM roycroft: cool
05:23 PM roycroft: maybe later tonight
05:23 PM roycroft: depending on how much beer i have at dinner and how the trip home goes :)
05:24 PM JT-Shop: the really cool 7i76eu can mix them up
05:24 PM roycroft: note that 2 would be my max on the beers
05:24 PM roycroft: not enough to impair
05:24 PM roycroft: but enough to demotivate once i get home
05:24 PM JT-Shop: the 7i96s the common determines sink or source
05:24 PM roycroft: hmm
05:24 PM roycroft: so everything needs to be either sink or source?
05:25 PM JT-Shop: no, the outputs have a common for each one, the inputs have one common
05:25 PM roycroft: oh, ok
05:26 PM roycroft: aah, i see
05:26 PM roycroft: out0-, out0+
05:26 PM roycroft: etc.
05:27 PM JT-Shop: yup
05:28 PM roycroft: ok, thanks again.
05:28 PM roycroft: now i'm really leaving
05:28 PM xxcoder: have fun
05:28 PM JT-Shop: enjoy
05:28 PM roycroft: i'll have an adventure :)
05:29 PM xxcoder: cant wait for shade to reach the house so I can repot plants in shade
05:29 PM xxcoder: hot day
05:29 PM JT-Shop: heat index 106°F here
05:30 PM xxcoder: yeah here is cool compared to that
05:30 PM xxcoder: just too hot for outside activity
05:32 PM xxcoder: it was time for me to move avocodo plants from tiny pots to larger one
05:33 PM Tom_L: heat index 102°F here
05:34 PM JT-Shop: the only thing left is to load the surface grinder on the trailer and bring it to Empire :)
05:34 PM xxcoder: "realfeel" of 85f lol
05:34 PM Tom_L: bet that's a good feeling
05:34 PM JT-Shop: it will be...
05:36 PM xxcoder: uninstalling firefox. waterfox have been perfect so far
05:36 PM xxcoder: I have changed my elemental alignment
05:36 PM JT-Shop: interesting name change
05:36 PM xxcoder: hopefully fire nation wont attack
05:37 PM JT-Shop: I've been using h2ofox on this pc
05:37 PM Tom_L: does it bring all your settings over from ff or is that a manual task?
05:37 PM xxcoder: just copy profile over and use it
05:38 PM xxcoder: everything gets preserved, including plugins etc
05:38 PM Tom_L: i'm not even sure where it's stored
05:38 PM xxcoder: sites will detect youre using different browser but ez log in again
05:38 PM xxcoder: about:profiles
05:39 PM Tom_L: this one is windoz
05:39 PM xxcoder: its url in firefox :)
05:39 PM xxcoder: waterfox too but yeah
05:40 PM Tom_L: i probably turned that off
05:40 PM xxcoder: shouldnt be possible, just paste about:profiles in url address and hit return
05:41 PM Tom_L: i may check later
05:41 PM xxcoder: ok
05:43 PM JT-Shop: I'm one tired puppy...
05:43 PM xxcoder: but a good boy?
05:43 PM JT-Shop: got done what I needed to get done
05:43 PM xxcoder: very good boy!
05:47 PM JT-Shop: my grandmother would call me Johnny when I was a boy
05:47 PM Tom_L: time to be tired
05:47 PM JT-Shop: agree
05:47 PM Tom_L: i went thru hs as tommy
05:48 PM JT-Shop: she was the only one to call me Johnny
05:49 PM JT-Shop: hmm Clara the black lady that worked for grandma also called me Johnny
05:52 PM JT-Shop: my mom told everyone after I was born that John was use and no one could use that nam
05:52 PM JT-Shop: e
05:53 PM * JT-Shop calls it a day
05:53 PM xxcoder: interesting
05:53 PM xxcoder: only "other" name I had is ralph
05:54 PM xxcoder: companies used to get my name wrong with that so many times
05:54 PM xxcoder: there was unique one, rolph
06:13 PM Tom_L: i see 2 profile paths
06:14 PM Tom_L: local and roaming
06:14 PM Tom_L: both seem to be used
06:14 PM xxcoder: likely local, you should be able to see "currently in use"
06:15 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:443/~webpage/cnc/ff_profile.jpg
06:17 PM xxcoder: site dont seem to be loading'
06:18 PM Tom_L: up on this end
06:18 PM Tom_L: dunno
06:19 PM xxcoder: ah yes. default and says "profile is in use and cannot be deleted"
06:19 PM xxcoder: that is folder you want to copy over to waterfox
06:19 PM xxcoder: then in waterfox use same about:profiles to set copied profile as default then reopen waterfox
06:22 PM Tom_L: from local or roaming?
06:22 PM xxcoder: local
06:23 PM xxcoder: hmm might be wrong
06:23 PM xxcoder: yeah use "root" one not other one
06:25 PM Tom_L: minimum system requirements: os Version 7. cannot install need os 10
06:25 PM xxcoder: weird
06:28 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:443/~webpage/cnc/wf_error.jpg
06:28 PM Tom_L: they should update their criteria
06:29 PM Tom_L: went back a few revisions and encountered the same thing
06:31 PM Tom_L: went back even further and it requires 64bit
06:31 PM xxcoder: you using 32 bit windows 7?
06:31 PM Tom_L: on this pc yes
06:31 PM xxcoder: ok
06:31 PM Tom_L: i need it for other programs
06:35 PM xxcoder: ugh seems your url requiring :443 breaks browser https requirement bypass
06:35 PM Tom_L: i switched to it from 89 81 because someone was complaining
06:35 PM Tom_L: it's the https port
06:35 PM Tom_L: iirc
06:36 PM Tom_L: * 80 81
06:36 PM Tom_L: 81 may still work for all i know
06:36 PM Tom_L: yeah i left it as well
06:37 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/wf_error.jpg
06:37 PM xxcoder: yeah that works on bypass https requirement
06:38 PM Tom_L: seems more ppl can see the 443 port
06:38 PM xxcoder: it should work, but browser remove the :443 part of url when I try bypass https requirement
06:39 PM xxcoder: so it cant open anyway
06:39 PM xxcoder: it doesnt on 81
06:39 PM Tom_L: 81 isn't https
06:39 PM xxcoder: I know
06:39 PM Tom_L: or 80
06:40 PM Tom_L: i'm surprised that pc hasn't died yet it's pretty old
06:41 PM xxcoder: as long as it just keeps running, it can last for long time
06:43 PM Tom_L: i doubt a rpi would last that long or i might try one
06:43 PM Tom_L: put a ssd on one
06:45 PM xxcoder: reinstalled https everywhere
06:45 PM xxcoder: it may be old, but handles urls like yours better
06:46 PM Tom_L: alot of foreign users couldn't access 81
06:46 PM xxcoder: both 443 and 81 work for me now
06:47 PM Tom_L: yeah i just left 81 open but changed most of my links to 443
06:49 PM xxcoder: anyway it sucks that waterfox is bit too modern for win7
06:50 PM Tom_L: an older version would run on 64 bit probably
06:50 PM Tom_L: but i'm not switching unless it works everywhere
06:51 PM xxcoder: yeah
06:55 PM xxcoder: theres people who take untaken suggestions as "personal attack". I'm perfectly fine if my suggestion doesnt work for you or anyone
06:55 PM xxcoder: theres many pathways
06:56 PM Tom_L: it was worth a shot
06:56 PM xxcoder: indeed
06:56 PM xxcoder: I saw small benefit of little bit cooler cpu, while it was bigger change for roy
06:56 PM xxcoder: its clear hes quite heavy user compared to me
07:00 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> did I mention it is nice having a working plasma cutter again
07:00 PM Tom_L: possibly
07:00 PM xxcoder: not this minute, no
07:00 PM xxcoder: nice tho. whats you working on
07:02 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> tree house stuff
07:02 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> making truss plates will be the next thing
07:03 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> and it isn't flexui - but qtplasmac is quite nice
07:03 PM Tom_L: and you get to practice your welding skilz
07:05 PM Tom_L: still waiting to hear you started a flexgui :)
07:09 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> not yet
07:12 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> https://photos.app.goo.gl/e6CSgem8R81UXTeH7
07:12 PM Tom_L: regular production run goin
07:12 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> lol
07:13 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> whatever steel I can find. We actually have 1/4 inch plate in the other shed dad was going to use to make another wood furnace.
07:13 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I don't know what else is down there
07:13 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> but - might as well get rid of the scrap
07:13 PM Tom_L: i know it doesn't matter but you _could_ add a leadin move to eliminate the first touch burn hole
07:13 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> right
07:13 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I should get sheetcam or such
07:14 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> it isn't too expensive
07:14 PM Tom_L: how did you cad those?
07:14 PM xxcoder: nice sheet work
07:15 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> acad 12 -> ace converter 😉
07:15 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I could proabably make a decent setup with dxf2gcode
07:15 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> but.. for the little stuff I do - that work flow is fine
07:15 PM Tom_L: should be plenty options for 2d stuff
07:15 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> right
07:16 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> the basic gcode for the plasma is pretty easy
07:16 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> they use tool numbers for material. which has the voltage and feed settins
07:16 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> settings
07:16 PM Tom_L: huh
07:17 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> it really is quite a nice setup - really inexpensive too - reading the thc from the mesa thc
07:18 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I doubt is is a twitchy as my setup - like I doubt I could do couragated steel - but that was just to show off..
07:18 PM Tom_L: :)
07:19 PM Tom_L: on the joints, do you have to allow a 'fit' allowance? or just cut the regular profiles
07:20 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> ? I don't understand the question? I offset the shapes with the curf width
07:20 PM Tom_L: where the __---__ is
07:20 PM Tom_L: so they fit good
07:21 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> yes - I offset the whole shape by the curf width. I do a little file/grinding to make it work - it isn't much at all
07:21 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I could probably make it more loose
07:22 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> there is hardly any drss
07:22 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> dross
07:24 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> mainly because the curf isn't consistant - so there is a little /\ in places
07:24 PM Tom_L: probably not as much as waterjet
07:25 PM Tom_L: on the /\ that is
07:26 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> part of it could be my settings - I am pretty new to this
07:26 PM Tom_L: you set one up so now you're a pro
07:26 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> right - it could be // or \ or || or / or /\
07:26 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> \
07:26 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> \
07:26 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> \\
07:26 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> there lol
07:27 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> /\
07:27 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> \/
07:27 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> lol
07:27 PM Tom_L: ==
07:27 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I hope not
07:27 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> that is when you forget to hook up the ground
07:28 PM Tom_L: i've never seen a waterjet in action so i don't know how much they fan out thru the material thickness
07:28 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> me either
07:29 PM Tom_L: i know they do some
07:29 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> they make table top waterjets
07:29 PM Tom_L: i watch that gold show where the guys go fix mining operations
07:29 PM Tom_L: they have one in the truck
07:30 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> grind hard plumbing uses his which is like a 2 axis robot arm
07:30 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> (plasma)
07:30 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> a lot
07:30 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> neat little setup
07:31 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> probably like this
07:31 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@>...
07:31 PM lcnc-relay: ... https://shop.arcsolinc.com/products/arcdroid%E2%84%A2-cnc-plasma-robot?variant=44714929782983&country=US¤cy=USD&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=&utm_term=&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=19676130207&gbraid=0AAAAADnxBWCpYTJf1V7vc77nXE-CRS6X1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwkILEBhDeARIsAL--pjzCF_1b-HbCiwL1YJy3VL78Oq6cZIfT9O_VdAYwh9Z1vPbdLGdajUoaAuS6EALw_wc
07:31 PM xxcoder: aging wheels guy had something like that
07:31 PM xxcoder: was pretty impressive
07:32 PM Tom_L: heh wired to an etch o sketch
07:32 PM Tom_L: ... looks like anyway
07:40 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> https://photos.app.goo.gl/yrmBzGsM3J3XRVN96
07:40 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I should probably put the rpi5 somewhere
07:40 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> thundering here
07:41 PM Tom_L: what's it sitting on?
07:41 PM Tom_L: drill press?
07:41 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> lol - yes - table top one
07:42 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> we were using it as a gluing jig
07:42 PM Tom_L: better put a light cloth over the fan intake or something
07:42 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> Did I mention I still have a lot of cleaning to do?
07:42 PM Tom_L: naaaah
07:43 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> It should go into the control box
07:43 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> but the thing worked - so nothing else to do... 😉
08:27 PM Scopeuk0 is now known as Scopeuk
09:44 PM fluffywolf: why can I not find any way to hold a 1/8 endmill other than my jacobs chuck? lol. I know I have an er32 collet set fucking somewhere...
09:56 PM fluffywolf: how terrible are $29 amazon ER32 collet+holder sets?
09:57 PM xxcoder: probably will have to deburr em
09:57 PM xxcoder: carefully not to lose cocenteral properity
11:09 PM roycroft: they are better than trying to hold an endmill in a jacobs chuck unless you will only be doing plunge cuts with the end mill
11:13 PM xxcoder: I see your car made it back
11:15 PM roycroft: it did
11:15 PM roycroft: and so did i
11:16 PM roycroft: it was slow going both ways
11:16 PM xxcoder: if your car made it back without you, I'd wonder what the heck happened.
11:16 PM roycroft: but going down to the valley i was right behind a truck going 45mpg
11:16 PM roycroft: er
11:16 PM roycroft: 45mph
11:16 PM roycroft: so i was not the bad guy :)
11:16 PM xxcoder: 45 mpg would be chained to truck and idle engine ;)
11:16 PM roycroft: keep in mind that there is a big bag of cat food in the car
11:17 PM roycroft: if i did not make it but the car did, it would be the will of the cats that got the car here
11:17 PM xxcoder: the cats from outer space
11:20 PM xxcoder: I wonder how warm those collars got. it definitely pre-dated bright leds we got now
11:21 PM roycroft: so yesterday i printed out the 7i96s manual and spiral bound it with a nice cover so it would be at hand as i configure the mesa board
11:22 PM roycroft: literally yesterday
11:22 PM roycroft: it is nowhere to be found this evening
11:22 PM xxcoder: your cats probably got it to read how
11:24 PM roycroft: i don't think they're interested in anything but that bag of cat food and a clean, full water dish
11:24 PM roycroft: except i'm watching star trek right now, and fanny is also watching it
11:24 PM roycroft: it's her favorite show
11:24 PM xxcoder: ah definitely not from space then
11:24 PM roycroft: clara is sleeping, though
11:26 PM xxcoder: kinda curious what they would think of the cat from outer space lol
11:28 PM fluffywolf: I haven't watched star trek in years.
11:32 PM roycroft: i watch it several nights/week
11:32 PM roycroft: it takes several years to go through the complete cycle
11:33 PM roycroft: and there are two current series that add even more episodes every year
11:33 PM xxcoder: every loop is longer then
11:33 PM roycroft: yes
11:33 PM roycroft: i'm on season 6 of tng currently
11:34 PM roycroft: so a long way to go to finish the cycle
11:34 PM xxcoder: I effectively cant watch tv anymore so I havent watched much for years now
11:37 PM fluffywolf: I've seen all of TOS and TNG, most of VOY, most of DS9, a bit of ENT, and nothing since.
11:38 PM fluffywolf: oh, and all of TAS, but damned if I remember most of it...
11:47 PM roycroft: i've watched all of the series over the years
11:48 PM roycroft: the star trek universe is a better place than the planet we live on in this time
11:53 PM fluffywolf: they seemed to be going downhill.... TOS, TAS, and TNG were good, VOY had its moment, DS9 was bleh, and ENT was so fucking terrible I haven't watched any star trek since. heh.
11:53 PM fluffywolf: moments
11:56 PM roycroft: they vary, imo
11:57 PM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> moin
11:58 PM roycroft: tng was the best series, imo, but i cannot stand q
11:58 PM roycroft: and tng started with a q episode and had q episodes throughout
11:59 PM roycroft: i like john delaney, btw
11:59 PM roycroft: it's not him
11:59 PM roycroft: it's q
11:59 PM xxcoder: q is fun lo. well first q not so much
11:59 PM xxcoder: and yeah I loved those because its him, rather than q chractor