#linuxcnc Logs
Jul 16 2025
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:24 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> good morning
12:57 AM Deejay: moin
03:38 AM lcnc-relay: <TurBoss> good morning
04:12 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
04:12 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
04:20 AM Tom_L: morning
07:13 AM rdtsc-w: morning
08:15 AM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> night
08:16 AM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> lol
08:16 AM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> woke up, 3pm
10:38 AM roycroft: hi folks
10:38 AM roycroft: it's another day in paradise
10:38 AM roycroft: except paradise is on the warm side today
10:44 AM Rab: Slightly warmer than here, but your nights are 20F cooler. Must be low humidity!
10:45 AM roycroft: humidity is high for us for this time of year, actually
10:46 AM roycroft: 75% at night, and 50% during the day
10:46 AM roycroft: normally it's more like 60%/30% in mid-july through august
10:52 AM roycroft: so if i want to experiment with my linuxcnc configuration, if i just copy the config directory to a new one and rename the .ini file i should be fine, shouldn't i?
10:52 AM roycroft: also change the machine name in the .ini file, of course
10:54 AM * roycroft decides to give it a go, and expects it will work fine
10:56 AM roycroft: the new forecast calls for a high of only 33 today, so not quite as bad as forecast yesterday
10:56 AM roycroft: and back in the 20s by week's end
10:56 AM roycroft: even low 20s early next week
10:57 AM roycroft: yikes
10:57 AM roycroft: 37 in town today, and i'll be in town during the heat of the day
10:57 AM roycroft: i sure hope the auto glass place lobby has ac
11:00 AM roycroft: festool just came out with a cordless domino machine
11:00 AM roycroft: i don't get the use case for that at all
11:00 AM roycroft: the domino is pretty much a shop tool, not a field tool
11:00 AM roycroft: and it requires extraction, so you have to have that anyway
11:20 AM Rab: I'd hope that Festool is above this, but I think cordless tool ecosystems are a pretty transparent ploy to sell more batteries, the real profit center.
11:29 AM Tom_L: roy you may also need to rename the hal files and in the ini
11:29 AM Tom_L: depending on what you're doing
11:36 AM JT-Cave: we looked at refrigerators at Lowes but was not overly impressed with most of them
11:37 AM roycroft: i renamed the ini file
11:37 AM roycroft: the hal files i don't think need to be renamed - there is io.hal and main.hal
11:37 AM roycroft: it seems those should be able to persist
11:37 AM Tom_L: the hal files are named in the ini so if you change those change them in the ini also
11:38 AM roycroft: right
11:38 AM Tom_L: i didn't know if you planned to edit them all or not
11:38 AM JT-Cave: io.hal has the hal for inputs and outputs
11:38 AM roycroft: i edited the .ini file, as it references itself
11:38 AM JT-Cave: main.hal has the main hal code
11:38 AM roycroft: but i don't think anything else needs to be changed
11:38 AM Tom_L: likely not
11:39 AM roycroft: i just want to be able to experiment with the hal files and be able to easily go back to a known working setup
11:39 AM roycroft: and i don't want to bother with version control for this
11:39 AM roycroft: cloning is easier
11:39 AM Tom_L: yup
11:39 AM roycroft: i'm going to go test in a few minutes
11:39 AM roycroft: this is for getting spindle control, but you probably guessed that
11:39 AM JT-Cave: postgui.hal contains anything that must wait for the gui to load
11:40 AM roycroft: there is no postgui.hal for my current config
11:40 AM roycroft: io.hal and main.hal are the only two
11:40 AM roycroft: then there's minirouter.ini (renamed in the clone), parameters.var, and tool.tbl
11:41 AM roycroft: none of which should need to be touched except i need to change the name in my .ini file
11:41 AM roycroft: the machine name, that is
11:41 AM rdtsc-w: first test cuts on a block of foam = good idea
11:41 AM Tom_L: or air
11:41 AM roycroft: the vnc server has been removed from the raspberry pi os used for the .img
11:42 AM JT-Cave: after cutting air
11:42 AM roycroft: or sharpie
11:42 AM roycroft: my plan is air then sharpie then something with teeth
11:42 AM * roycroft wonders if the spindle can raise high enough to hold a sharpie
11:43 AM roycroft: maybe a sharpie stub or a pencil
11:43 AM JT-Cave: after loading a tool I would do a chicken check by moving to where I "thought" xyz 0 was then check
11:43 AM roycroft: i think mesact will generate hal code for spindle control, won't it?
11:44 AM JT-Cave: for some boards yes
11:44 AM roycroft: for the 7i96s?
11:44 AM Tom_L: if jt did his homework right :)
11:44 AM roycroft: that would probably be a good place to start
11:45 AM rdtsc-w: every spindle is different; that's the one section with few examples or standard configs
11:45 AM JT-Cave: hmm it should enable spindle for 7i96s but it's not... need to look at that
11:46 AM JT-Cave: TB2 pins 22-24 are spindle
11:46 AM JT-Cave: and it's a potentionmeter type
11:48 AM JT-Cave: hm2_7i96s.0.pwmgen.00.enable hm2_7i96s.0.pwmgen.00.value are the spindle hal pins
11:48 AM roycroft: yes
11:48 AM roycroft: and i have it wired up to the spindle controller already
11:49 AM JT-Cave: looks like I need to work on the 7i96s for mesact
11:49 AM roycroft: sorry
11:49 AM roycroft: i did not mean to bring work to you today
11:49 AM Tom_L: better you than me
11:49 AM Tom_L: he's used to me buggin him
11:50 AM roycroft: so i get to be tom for a day? :)
11:50 AM JT-Cave: not sure how much I'll get done today
11:50 AM Tom_L: you don't want that curse
11:50 AM roycroft: i'll muddle through with manually editing the config
11:50 AM Tom_L: JT-Cave, figure out about the deere?
11:51 AM roycroft: i actually learn more that way than when using a "wizard" utility
11:51 AM roycroft: i'd rather be the wizard than ask the wizard to work for me
11:51 AM Tom_L: we didn't have that luxury
11:51 AM JT-Cave: not yet
11:51 AM Tom_L: i grabbed a config and made it work for my stuff
11:51 AM JT-Cave: cleaning the oem wheels for tomorrows trip to discount tire
11:52 AM Tom_L: have you had good luck with discount?
11:52 AM Tom_L: i need tires for my work vehicle
11:53 AM roycroft: the forum appears to be down
11:53 AM roycroft: at least i cannot reach it from here
11:53 AM Tom_L: yeah same here
11:54 AM Tom_L: or really slow
11:54 AM Tom_L: it's trying
11:54 AM roycroft: isitdownrightnow.com says it is down
11:54 AM Tom_L: i just got a forum page loaded
11:54 AM Tom_L: real slow
11:54 AM roycroft: maybe it's back ukp
11:54 AM roycroft: up
11:55 AM roycroft: yeah, it's loading for me new
11:55 AM roycroft: now
11:55 AM Tom_L: same
11:55 AM rdtsc-w: must've had to reboot it
11:56 AM roycroft: or it was a network issue
11:56 AM rdtsc-w: maybe a patch for the recent sudo vulnerability
11:57 AM roycroft: that shouldn't take the webserver or database offline
12:02 PM roycroft: grr
12:02 PM roycroft: now duckduckgo are experiencing an outage
12:02 PM roycroft: kind of hard to do searches when the search engine is down
12:03 PM JT-Shop: Tom_L, yes they are my go to tire dealer
12:03 PM Tom_L: good to know
12:04 PM xxcoder: roy maybe try startpage.com ?
12:04 PM xxcoder: been ok, and seemed to be better results than duck and google
12:04 PM xxcoder: not by a lot, but much less crud around search results like ai and stuff too
12:05 PM Rab: DDG is still passing queries to Google or Bing with !g/!b, even though their search is down.
12:07 PM roycroft: duckduckgo is working again
12:11 PM Rab: It's been intermittent for me this morning.
12:15 PM roycroft: maybe doge laid off a bunch of ducks
12:15 PM roycroft: and now it's only duckgo
12:15 PM xxcoder: well thats very ducky
12:18 PM roycroft: my car is grey today - it's normally black
12:18 PM roycroft: i think when i take it to the glass shop i should stop by a car wash first
12:18 PM roycroft: and return the fair dust to the earth
12:18 PM xxcoder: lol
12:22 PM roycroft: i also think the glass shop folks would rather not get covered in dust while working on my car
12:22 PM xxcoder: not sharing the wealth of mother nature eh?
12:22 PM xxcoder: joking aside, I would think clean would help yeah
12:23 PM roycroft: since they have to put a seal in, it would help if the car were fairly clean before they started
12:34 PM JT-Shop: nap time
12:49 PM Tom_L: close
01:43 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> can i get help link for hal oscilloscope for my stepper please?
01:46 PM pcw--home: what issue do you have?
01:47 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> joint 0 following error
01:47 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> and i have to restart linuxcnc
01:47 PM pcw--home: Can you post you hal/ini files somewhere?
01:48 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> sure
01:48 PM pcw--home: (you do not need to restart LinuxCNC for a following error, just go to machine-off state and back to run state )
01:51 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> http://gumicsonak.ddns.net/nc/index.php/s/38c5HfNBa32RBqN
01:52 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> pcw--home thats doesnt work 😦
01:52 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> get instant following error
01:53 PM pcw--home: Even when not in motion?
01:53 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> yes
01:54 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> i mean, i press move
01:54 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> it doesnt move just throws the error
01:57 PM pcw--home: Not sure if it's the issue but the ferror and min ferror settings in the ini file are crazy
01:57 PM pcw--home: These should never be negative
02:01 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> i adjusted it because it was bad with it
02:01 PM pcw--home: The Ferror value is the absolute value of the maximum following error allowed before faulting at full speed. The min_ferror value is the absolute value of the maximum error before faulting at 0 speed. The actual following error limit is calculated to be a value between these based on the axis speed.
02:02 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> Tom spoke about something gen stuff
02:03 PM pcw--home: so for testing, ferror = 100 and min_ferror = 10 should be really tolerant settings
02:03 PM pcw--home: -999 not valid
02:03 PM pcw--home: -999 is not valid
02:03 PM JT-Shop: I'll fix mesact to not allow negative following errors
02:03 PM JT-Shop: pcw--home, thanks for solving that
02:04 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> how can i overwrite jog speed?
02:05 PM pcw--home: <JT-Shop> another minor fix would be to set the DPLL time to -200 usec as -50 is bit picky for most PCs
02:05 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> in hal settings?
02:07 PM pcw--home: bbl
02:08 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> whers that
02:08 PM JT-Shop: ok thanks
02:08 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> setp hm2_MESA (BOARD).0.dpll.01.timer-us -50
02:08 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> this?
02:08 PM JT-Shop: yes
02:09 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> ty
02:10 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> where can i adjust jog speed?
02:11 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> ah, i see, in GUI
02:14 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> thank you, looks like it works 🙂
02:18 PM xxcoder: awesome, fixed and bug found and being worked/fixed :D good day
02:22 PM fluffywolf: https://youtu.be/zB3lrLjqIh4?t=165 I hate when that happens.
02:36 PM JT-Cave: potato I've fixed mesact
02:36 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> How many deg c per HP?
02:36 PM fluffywolf: bbl, lunch over, back to work
02:40 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> Whois going to help this Tom Stanton guy out?
02:43 PM xxcoder: fun video so far
02:43 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> junior engineer makes video
02:44 PM Tom_L: i should take another nap... seems alot of progress happens then
02:47 PM Tom_L: JT-Cave, PR #152 for mesact
02:50 PM xxcoder: yeah good video as usual from him
02:50 PM xxcoder: he maynot be best engineer, but hes fun anyway
03:09 PM JT-Shop: well well Legacy fasteners just texted my asking about a cleaner I built for them back in 2017 and I reminded him they have a past due invoice from 2020
03:09 PM JT-Shop: might finally get paid lol
03:09 PM Tom_L: heh
03:10 PM xxcoder: lol
03:10 PM Tom_L: nail factory?
03:11 PM JT-Shop: yup
03:12 PM Tom_L: goin for tires in the am
03:12 PM Tom_L: this discount does windows too so i figured i'd get that fixed while they had it
03:13 PM JT-Shop: after the nap I'll go get the tires mounted
03:13 PM Tom_L: cup 2
03:13 PM JT-Shop: I wish they were closer than Farmington
03:14 PM JT-Shop: yup
03:15 PM Tom_L: won't know how to act without a pitted windshield
03:30 PM JT-Shop: on your work vehicle?
03:30 PM xxcoder: just stick on some "gunshot glass" all over windsheild
03:35 PM JT-Shop: I have determined that SmartFood Cheetos Cheddar flavored popcorn is messier than Cheetos
03:46 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> it works so smooothh
03:48 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> i adjusted acceleration and max speeds
03:48 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> so cool
03:52 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> Yay! Can I ask why you switched from mach?
03:52 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, yes
03:53 PM Tom_L: what could possibly be messier than cheetos
03:53 PM Tom_L: i got ~65k outta the tires
03:54 PM Tom_L: le_potato, glad you're getting it ironed out
03:54 PM xxcoder: indeed
03:57 PM Tom_L: and of course ai has an answer for the messier q
03:58 PM xxcoder: ai have answer for everything, right, wrong or otherwise. lol
03:58 PM Tom_L: i like to give it random stuff just to see
04:01 PM xxcoder: someone in other discord server asked ai how much rice their country makes. apparently it was 175 million tons annually, and lists locations in country its being grown
04:01 PM xxcoder: thing is country is canada, which don't grow any sigificant amount of rice.
04:02 PM rdtsc-w: AI recently got in trouble for congratulating a user from weining themselves off their anti-psychotics
04:04 PM xxcoder: oops it was other irc server, not discord lol
04:07 PM JT-Shop: 65k is pretty good on a set of tire
04:07 PM JT-Shop: I almost got 30k on the last set for the C8
04:08 PM Tom_L: i drive it different than you drive the C8 i would imagine :)
04:09 PM Tom_L: my kid's truck was due for tires when he traded it
04:09 PM JT-Shop: and you can rotate tires different than I can
04:09 PM Tom_L: maybe 30-35k?
04:10 PM Tom_L: he just got the bike back yesterday from it's first service
04:10 PM JT-Shop: oil change type of service?
04:10 PM Tom_L: yeah
04:10 PM Tom_L: check nuts n bolts, adjust cables etc
04:11 PM Tom_L: i didn't look at the service checklist
04:11 PM JT-Shop: I'm still puzzled about the hoe, just a bit ago the alternator light came on when I turned the key on which is normal then when I tried to start it the light went off
04:12 PM Tom_L: years ago we ran across some subaru i think it was that had some very unusual wire routing you'd never think they would attempt
04:13 PM Tom_L: you may have to spring for that $20 manual
04:13 PM JT-Shop: I didn't see a wiring diagram in it
04:13 PM Tom_L: hmm
04:13 PM JT-Shop: you can see the pages
04:13 PM Tom_L: the 2nd link?
04:13 PM Tom_L: although they should be the same
04:13 PM JT-Shop: I think so
04:14 PM Tom_L: maybe the alt is tied into the routing somehow and the diode pack is going out
04:15 PM JT-Shop: normal operation is the light comes on when you turn the key on and goes off when the engine is running
04:15 PM Tom_L: some relay somewhere?
04:16 PM JT-Shop: I doubt there is a relay on that beast
04:21 PM Tom_L: one video mentions a neutral safety switch
04:22 PM JT-Shop: there is one under the floor panel
04:23 PM Tom_L: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mH4049i5z2s
04:23 PM JT-Shop: the only thing it requires is power to the injector pump and to spin over to start
04:24 PM Tom_L: hopefully not too annoying
04:24 PM JT-Shop: I get a warning that the video will be blocked because I have an ad blocker but yep I saw that video
04:24 PM Tom_L: ok
04:27 PM JT-Shop: so I think I need to take the floor plate up and inspect the wires for any rat damage
04:27 PM Tom_L: check any ground straps from the frame to the engine
04:27 PM JT-Shop: battery ground goes to the engine
04:27 PM JT-Shop: it's about 12" long
04:27 PM Tom_L: right
04:28 PM JT-Shop: but yeah a good idea to unbolt it and clean the connection
04:28 PM Tom_L: ohm end to end
04:28 PM JT-Shop: ohm from the battery to the engine...
04:29 PM Tom_L: between the cable ends
04:29 PM Tom_L: generally if the cable is bad it's very visible
04:29 PM JT-Shop: yup
04:30 PM JT-Shop: gotta take the RF tire off the Kubota tractor as it leaks down pretty fast
04:31 PM JT-Shop: leaks fast enough to be annoying
04:33 PM rdtsc-w: soapy water in a spray bottle
04:34 PM JT-Shop: take to the tire place and drop it off...
04:39 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> skunkworks8841@ had lot of issues with LPT port thing
04:39 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> it was hungarian made board
04:39 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> using 1998 old laptop with xp
04:42 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> i using the same stepper controller was in the mach3 and all oscillation gone
04:45 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> jt-cave: can you add interfaces or should i make a PR?
04:45 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> *qt interfaces
04:48 PM Tom_L: le_potato interface for what?
04:48 PM Tom_L: there are examples in the flexgui download
04:52 PM JT-Shop: potato you can make a pr if you like
04:53 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> qtdragon interface
04:53 PM JT-Shop: only one item per pr please to keep them easy to understand
04:53 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> sure, i make it cherry pickable
04:54 PM * JT-Shop has never done a cherry pick with mesact
04:54 PM JT-Shop: just keep it simple :)
04:55 PM JT-Shop: and I just did a bug fix a bit ago
04:56 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> https://www.1x.tech/neo
04:58 PM Tom_L: pick one up at your nearest walmart
04:58 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> btw guy thanks for the help, wiring + linuxcnc only took 2 hours and it works perfect
04:59 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> *maybe perfect, didnt mill yet
04:59 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> try wiring a fanuc contoller in under 2 hours
05:00 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> haha, i wired lot of fanuc controller!
05:00 PM mrec: how's the s-curve implementation getting along?
05:00 PM JT-Shop: now Legacy want's to know if I want to build more cleaners for them
05:01 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> if i would use AC servos and PLC propably take a while
05:01 PM Tom_L: they're just not gonna let you retire
05:01 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> captainhindsight_.@ this is bare minimal wiring, spindle + 3 axis
05:01 PM JT-Shop: they were in bed with the Koreans for a long time but their equipment doesn't hold up like mine does
05:02 PM Tom_L: you still have enough 'shop' left to do it?
05:02 PM JT-Shop: dunno, it's not really that big of a machine
05:02 PM Tom_L: maybe get paid up front this time...
05:08 PM JT-Shop: my terms are 50% up front, 50% when I'm done
05:09 PM Tom_L: didn't know if you'd alter that since they failed to pay on time
05:11 PM JT-Shop: it was a small $150 invoice
05:11 PM JT-Shop: last time they called I just didn't answer lol
05:12 PM JT-Shop: the cleaner was $28,500 back in 2017
05:13 PM JT-Shop: yuck fasting lab in the morning
05:16 PM JT-Shop: seems the ai refrigerators are all on sale...
05:16 PM xxcoder: ugh
05:16 PM JT-Shop: I don't want a "smart" refrigerator
05:19 PM Tom_L: you don't want it making out your shopping list for you???
05:19 PM JT-Shop: the cleaner is 42" wide and 86" long
05:20 PM Tom_L: i think i recall seeing some pics
05:20 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> what cleaner means
05:20 PM JT-Shop: nail cleaner
05:20 PM Tom_L: industrial
05:20 PM Tom_L: not a manicure
05:21 PM JT-Shop: lol
05:22 PM Tom_L: you still have plans for them?
05:22 PM Tom_L: or is each one a bit different
05:24 PM JT-Shop: yes and they are all the same
05:24 PM JT-Shop: https://gnipsel.com/images/legacy-cleaner/
05:24 PM JT-Shop: uploading
05:25 PM JT-Shop: I designed the original one way back when for Mid Continent Nails who I worked for when I came up here
05:25 PM Tom_L: i couldn't imagine it being painted any other color
05:27 PM JT-Shop: rotflmao jeff painted it gray as soon as I delivered it
05:27 PM Tom_L: haha
05:27 PM JT-Shop: uploading more photos
05:29 PM Tom_L: do they have to replace those drum tabs every so often?
05:29 PM JT-Shop: the drum and inside parts are made from AR400 so no
05:33 PM JT-Shop: the Korean drums would wear out fast because they were made with mild steel
05:33 PM Tom_L: i bet
05:56 PM * JT-Shop calls it a night
07:07 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> i exporting NC from Fusion360, what I need for LinuxCNC? EMC, MEC2 or Turning
07:07 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> *EMC2
07:13 PM Tom_L: emc2 probably
07:13 PM Tom_L: unless it has a linuxcnc one
07:13 PM Tom_L: i don't use f360
07:20 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> how can i do 'software' home?
07:25 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> i cant find in ini help file under Homing
07:26 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> NO_FORCE_HOMING = 1?
07:28 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> doesnt work :/
07:35 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> HOME_SEARCH_VEL=0, this doesnt work as well
07:36 PM Tom_L: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/stable/html/config/ini-homing.html
07:36 PM Tom_L: HOME_IGNORE_LIMITS
07:36 PM Tom_L: possibly
07:36 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> more like: Immediate Homing
07:37 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> If a joint does not have home switches or does not have a logical home position like a rotary joint and you want that joint to home at the current position when the "Home All" button is pressed in the AXIS GUI, then the following INI entries for that joint are needed.
07:37 PM Tom_L: look at my a axis ini. it's set for not homing on the rotary
07:38 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> where is your ini?
07:38 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:443/~webpage/cnc/configs/NEW_MILL/new_mill_A.ini
07:38 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> HOME_SEQUENCE=2
07:38 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> hmm
07:38 PM Tom_L: joint 3
07:39 PM Tom_L: that just sets the homing order of all the axis
07:39 PM Tom_L: if you had 2 axis on 1 they home at the same time
07:39 PM Tom_L: i home X & Y together
07:40 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> doesnt work
07:40 PM Tom_L: but i have home switches shared with limits
07:41 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> i get 'cant run a program when not homed'
07:41 PM Tom_L: you don't have home switches or limit switches?
07:41 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> no
07:42 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> ok
07:42 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> found out
07:42 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> home_sequence can't be random
07:43 PM Tom_L: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/38-general-linuxcnc-questions/53777-home-soft-limits-not-homing-before-moving-axis-s
07:43 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> so even with software homing you need the sequence
07:43 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> can't be all 3 axis home_sequence=0
07:44 PM Tom_L: i would recomend adding limit switches
07:44 PM Tom_L: read that thread
07:44 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> sorry, i have limit switches
07:45 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> but only to one way
07:45 PM Tom_L: i use mine for limit and homing
07:45 PM Tom_L: so home off them and set the upper limit in the ini
07:45 PM Tom_L: MIN_LIMIT = -13.0
07:45 PM Tom_L: MAX_LIMIT = 0.050
07:45 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> but when i milling cylinder head ports
07:46 PM Tom_L: i home on the .050 end
07:46 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> i zero at certian point
07:46 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> and i load my NC
07:46 PM Tom_L: and use the -13 as a soft limit
07:46 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> since machine is smaller than the cylinder head
07:47 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> im not sure how should i solve this "issue"
07:47 PM Tom_L: i've never done it that way
07:47 PM Tom_L: someone here can help but it may not be me
07:47 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> pcw--home: looks plausable... https://pastebin.com/AiFYfYxZ
07:48 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> Tom_L can you send me a pic of your machine?
07:50 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:443/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Assembly/Final/Vise_parts/Rotary2.jpg
07:50 PM Tom_L: an old one
07:51 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:443/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Assembly/Final/chip_guards/Chip_guard5.jpg
07:51 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> if using a vise and you flip the material, you need homing 🙂
07:52 PM Tom_L: i use work offsets
07:52 PM Tom_L: G54 etc
07:52 PM Tom_L: you could do the same
07:52 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> pcw--home: sure are a lot of encoders
07:52 PM Tom_L: set the work offset where you want zero on the cylinder head
07:53 PM Tom_L: you would need to home off a switch
07:53 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> im beginner, so i have to learn these
07:53 PM Tom_L: i know
07:53 PM Tom_L: you're doing better than most
07:53 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> ty, because i know programming but idiot for milling :))
07:54 PM Tom_L: when i use the vise i generally set xy zero off the corner of the visejaw
07:54 PM Tom_L: but
07:54 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> my friend told me, buy 5 same tool because at the begginning i will break them
07:54 PM Tom_L: machine home is way off in the corner of the table
07:54 PM Tom_L: not if you use common sense
07:55 PM Tom_L: cut some air without tools
07:55 PM Tom_L: move up to foam
07:55 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> i did wood today
07:55 PM Tom_L: i use my mill but mostly i built it to test things out
07:56 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> thats why i bought a cheap one to learn things on it
07:56 PM Tom_L: i've done all sorts of things with it
07:56 PM Tom_L: single point threading, rigid tapping etc
07:57 PM Tom_L: https://www.youtube.com/@tomlight1395/videos
07:57 PM Tom_L: testing things for flexgui
07:57 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> i bought linear scale, touching probe
07:58 PM Tom_L: i got a cheap chinese probe for testing my probe subroutines
07:58 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> is it works? i bought USB-C one for like 100$
07:58 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:443/~webpage/cnc/JT-SHOP/flexgui/touch-probe3.png
07:58 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:443/~webpage/cnc/JT-SHOP/flexgui/touch-probe3-2.png
07:59 PM Tom_L: i like the probe
07:59 PM Tom_L: jt got one
07:59 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> pcw--home: found one of the limit switch inputs - It toggles in hal.
07:59 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> i see, you bought the chinese as well
08:00 PM Tom_L: https://www.amazon.com/YIDOFENG-Coordinate-Measuring-Compatible-Machine/dp/B0D4V9B8MX
08:00 PM Tom_L: found spare tips for it too
08:00 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> Tom_L: I have 2 of those but have not tried one yet
08:00 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> they look nice
08:01 PM Tom_L: jt tried one and was impressed with the accuracy
08:01 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> Tom_L: are your axis are geared?
08:01 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> ratio
08:01 PM Tom_L: i dialed the tip in on mine
08:01 PM Tom_L: xy are 1:1 Z is belt 3:1
08:02 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> whats the resolution on xy?
08:02 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> mine is like 0.06mm
08:03 PM Tom_L: i've no idea really
08:03 PM Tom_L: the scale is 10k something
08:03 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> how many smallsteps on the driver?
08:03 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> its 3am, i cant speak english
08:03 PM Tom_L: 10
08:03 PM Tom_L: it's a gecko 203v
08:04 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> is your stepper, 1.8deg/step?
08:04 PM Tom_L: X SCALE = 10165.1
08:04 PM Tom_L: yes
08:04 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> 10k / inch or mm
08:04 PM Tom_L: inch
08:05 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> so 10165.1/25.4
08:05 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> 400
08:05 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> exactly like mine
08:06 PM Tom_L: gecko drivers are hard to beat
08:06 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> i see you wired the VFD!
08:06 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> how did you wire it?
08:06 PM Tom_L: analog
08:06 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> 0-10V?
08:06 PM Tom_L: yes
08:07 PM Tom_L: i think it has direction and brake signals as well
08:07 PM Tom_L: i forget now
08:07 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> 7i95t have no analog output, right?
08:07 PM Tom_L: no idea but you can get a spinx board
08:07 PM Tom_L: single analog
08:08 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> that something usb to analog?
08:08 PM Tom_L: https://mesaus.com/product/spinx1a/
08:08 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> ah PWM to Analog
08:08 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> i will wire as RS485 then
08:08 PM Tom_L: linuxcnc doesn't use usb for much of anything except maybe a pendant
08:09 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> i seen people using linuxcnc and rs485 usb interface
08:09 PM Tom_L: there are some vfd driver comps if you look
08:09 PM Tom_L: you may find one for yours
08:09 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> what comps means
08:10 PM Tom_L: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/stable/html/man/man1/hy_vfd.1.html
08:10 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> componants.
08:10 PM Tom_L: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/stable/html/man/man1/hy_gt_vfd.1.html
08:10 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> well - I found all the limit and touch off switches.. So cool
08:10 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> ah, i seen this, sadly there is no compatible
08:10 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> so i have to write my own
08:11 PM Tom_L: or use analog :)
08:11 PM Tom_L: so much simpler
08:11 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I thought there was a generic componant too
08:11 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> but - analog is going to be faster
08:11 PM Tom_L: i dunno, there may be
08:11 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> atm, i just use on/off
08:11 PM Tom_L: :D
08:12 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> and i set rpm on vfd
08:12 PM Tom_L: oh
08:12 PM Tom_L: that's no fun
08:12 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> i know i know
08:12 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> are you using one of those cheap bobs that has analog out?
08:12 PM Tom_L: he has a 7i95t
08:12 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> Tom?
08:12 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> oh
08:12 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> i have yaskava vfd
08:13 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> Yaskawa JVOP-140
08:13 PM Tom_L: what country are you in?
08:13 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> Hungary
08:13 PM Tom_L: i forget these things
08:14 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> i forget everything in night
08:14 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> have to yell at peter for not putting in an analog spindle output
08:14 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> i bought the biggest board and encoder support
08:14 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> and no spindle output?!
08:14 PM Tom_L: skunkworks, would a pwmgen work
08:14 PM Tom_L: ?
08:14 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> could be
08:14 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> depens on frequency
08:15 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> if there is capacitor on vfd input then it can work
08:15 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> if vfd is faster than board pwm then it will jump
08:15 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> maybe. Some vfd's take pwm
08:15 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> or, lets add a capacitor on the input!
08:15 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> well - an r/c filter - low pas.
08:15 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> passs
08:16 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> just need an LM358...
08:17 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> btw, have to try with pwm
08:17 PM Tom_L: go for it
08:17 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> i think PLCs have no analog output as well
08:18 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> i need firmware what have pwm output, right?
08:18 PM Tom_L: yeah
08:18 PM Tom_L: look at the mesaflash output file
08:18 PM Tom_L: you may find one
08:18 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> .le_potato@ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVrm4abue9w
08:19 PM Tom_L: you just have to enable it in the config
08:19 PM Tom_L: if it's there
08:19 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> there is firmware for 1 pwm output
08:19 PM Tom_L: one is all you need
08:19 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> for one thing!
08:20 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> thank you skunkworks8841@ i dont like those diy stuff while its 1$ on aliexpress, haha
08:41 PM pcw--home: <skunkworks8841@> thats odd with all the encoders
08:42 PM pcw--home: On the 7I95 you can use firmware for a Sainsmart "Mach 5 Axis" BOB with analog
08:43 PM pcw--home: or use a spinx1a or some import PWM --0..10V thing
08:52 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> 7i95 = 7i95t?
08:53 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> 7i95t_5abobd?
08:53 PM lcnc-relay: <.le_potato@> btw, i just try pwm first
09:11 PM _unreal_: :) hay spud, are ya shure.....? that seems like a bit of a modulated response.... LOL
09:43 PM xxcoder: finally getting cool down from peak
09:52 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> pcw--home: I was talking about the emc1 board
09:54 PM pcw--home: yeah, is that standard firmware?
10:02 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> Lol. No clue. I don't think it has been looked at in 5+ years
10:58 PM roycroft: i made it home ok
10:58 PM roycroft: it got up to 39 in town today
10:59 PM roycroft: and the glass shop did not have ac
11:04 PM xxcoder: oh boy. I bet roasted roy would not be tasty
11:04 PM xxcoder: glad youre ok
11:04 PM xxcoder: I had to turn off ac few times when it was unable to keep up and blow breaker
11:04 PM xxcoder: its nice and cool 74f inside now
11:29 PM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> good morning
11:30 PM roycroft: it was a bit smoky when i left for town
11:30 PM roycroft: and on the way home i could not see diamond peak
11:30 PM roycroft: so there is still smoke/haze
11:30 PM roycroft: i just looked at the fire map and i cannot figure out where the smoke is coming from
11:31 PM roycroft: there are no fires of any consequence in western oregon, and the only ones in central/eastern oregon are far away from here
11:31 PM roycroft: the winds have been from the west and southwest all day, so even of those fires were closer, we'd not be getting any of their smoke
11:32 PM xxcoder: hmm no smoke from what I can see here
11:32 PM xxcoder: aqi have been always low so far. sub-20
11:32 PM xxcoder: 12 something today, around same yeserday. tomorrow and more days will go quite a bit down to 5-10
11:32 PM roycroft: it's good here right now - 37
11:33 PM roycroft: but it was much worse earlier today
11:33 PM roycroft: i don't know what it was, because i wasn't aware of the smoke until i was leaving
11:38 PM xxcoder: yeah dunno
11:38 PM xxcoder: https://www.airnow.gov/national-maps/
11:38 PM xxcoder: yeah small "cloud" around or
11:39 PM roycroft: smoke is gone from here for now
11:39 PM roycroft: and it doesn't get into my house
11:39 PM roycroft: well, it does a bit, but not enough to bother me
11:39 PM roycroft: i just have to change the furnace filter every couple weeks when there's a lot of smoke
11:41 PM roycroft: do you remember offhand the maximum rpm of that spindle, xxcoder?
11:41 PM roycroft: is it 12000rpm?
11:41 PM xxcoder: 27k?
11:42 PM roycroft: oh, ok
11:42 PM xxcoder: honestly I dont remember
11:42 PM roycroft: a useful speed :)
11:42 PM roycroft: i think it's labeled somewhere - i'm just not in that room right now, and i'm doing a scale calculation for my hal config
11:43 PM roycroft: i can guess at something reasonable just to get it working, then figure out what it really needs to be
11:43 PM xxcoder: you probably can see it by just supply 10v and using hall sensor
11:43 PM roycroft: yes
11:43 PM roycroft: when i need to know the actual speed
11:44 PM roycroft: or use the pot that connects with the 3 pin jst connector
11:44 PM roycroft: and turn that all the way up
11:44 PM xxcoder: indeed
11:44 PM xxcoder: it can go surpising low rpm, but of course you could stop it by fingers by then lol
11:45 PM roycroft: yup
11:45 PM roycroft: but that does not matter
11:45 PM xxcoder: 27k number might be from that uber crappy edge router I threw away
11:45 PM roycroft: because if i ran it that slow i'd need to use a cutter that's so big the spindle could not hold it
11:46 PM roycroft: and even if it could, the mass of the cutter would keep it from spinning at all
11:47 PM xxcoder: likely. pid would be needed tp adjust it so it ramps volt till it spins at approx rpm requested
11:48 PM fluffywolf: that was a nice feature of my b&s knee mill... 18 speed mechanical spindle gearbox. 50rpm you weren't stopping with your fingers. or a cutter. or anything short of welding a 40 taper to the table...
11:49 PM xxcoder: lol yeah I remember for lols setting rpm to 1 in big cnc. couldnt stop it rotating at all
11:49 PM xxcoder: it was funny to see it slowly and lazily rotate
11:49 PM roycroft: my immediate goal is to turn the spindle on and off with linuxcnc
11:49 PM fluffywolf: pretty sure it had enough torque at 50rpm to rip the vise off the table if I really fucked up. heh.