#linuxcnc Logs
Jun 26 2025
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:33 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> moin
01:13 AM Deejay: moin
04:24 AM Tom_L: morning
05:21 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
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07:11 AM lcnc-relay: <travis_farmer@> Morning (just got out of the mental hospital yesterday)
07:29 AM lcnc-relay: <sodakaustik@> be well friend
09:00 AM bjorkintosh: https://bigbeaverenergy.com/products/id-g84-that-hoodie
09:14 AM bjorkintosh: https://bigbeaverenergy.com/products/1700-g28-shirt never knew g-code was pop culture.
09:21 AM jpa-: things don't need to be popular for them to end up on such t-shirt sites
09:51 AM lcnc-relay: <die_limonade@> i like it somehow
10:14 AM bjorkintosh: jpa-: of course not. but I'd never considered it.
10:23 AM lcnc-relay: <satiowadahc@> Is there a list of changes of revisions on mesa boards anywhere?
10:24 AM lcnc-relay: <satiowadahc@> Got anew 7i96s rev e and I see one new jumper but curious if anything else changed?
10:34 AM JT-Shop: not that I know of, the manual should say what the jumper is for
10:35 AM lcnc-relay: <satiowadahc@> well I messed something up now... installing mesact and linuxcnc is now not in path...
10:35 AM JT-Shop: how did you install mesact?
10:35 AM lcnc-relay: <satiowadahc@> sudo apt install ./mes****
10:36 AM JT-Shop: why the ./
10:36 AM lcnc-relay: <satiowadahc@> whoops tmmux commands don't work in the browser. downloaded the deb and installed via cmd line
10:36 AM lcnc-relay: <satiowadahc@> ./ so it runs from the downloaded version
10:36 AM JT-Shop: I would always use gdebi to install so decencies are installed
10:39 AM JT-Shop: dependencies
10:39 AM lcnc-relay: <satiowadahc@> does apt not pull in dependcies?
10:40 AM lcnc-relay: <satiowadahc@> apparently thats a hard word to spell today
10:40 AM JT-Shop: I'm not sure I never use apt on a file only if it's in the sources.list.d
10:43 AM JT-Shop: how does apt know where to look for the downloaded deb?
10:43 AM JT-Shop: or does apt just look in the current working directory?
10:46 AM lcnc-relay: <satiowadahc@> the ./ says use the file in this folder
10:47 AM JT-Shop: ok, never did that with apt
10:48 AM lcnc-relay: <satiowadahc@> I can try gdebi in a second when I get linuxcnc reinstalled
10:48 AM JT-Shop: I wonder if apt uninstalled linuxcnc?
10:49 AM lcnc-relay: <satiowadahc@> yeah. I'm a little concerned what else it uninstalled.
10:49 AM lcnc-relay: <satiowadahc@> I'm probably upgrading this computer soon anyway, this just might accelerate that plan
10:55 AM lcnc-relay: <satiowadahc@> well linuxcnc installed and now this card is working...
10:55 AM lcnc-relay: <satiowadahc@> I don't like when nothing changes but it starts working...
10:57 AM JT-Shop: lunch time here
10:58 AM rdtsc-w: something set bugs=off
10:59 AM pcw---home: There have been no major changes on the 7I96S (Rev C added an additional large bypass capacitor on the 5V, Rev E added bias resistors and no-terminate option to the RS-422/RS-485 interface to make Modbus interfacing simpler/more reliable)
11:00 AM lcnc-relay: <satiowadahc@> Hmm that shouldn't have an effect on step/direction signals
11:03 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> Pcw---home: !
11:07 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> hey - if my mesa read max is 750us - and the dpll.phase-error-us seems to hover around 75us and -50us. The .dpll.NN.timer-us is currently set to -250
11:08 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> 2ms servo thread on rpi 4 with the latest image
11:08 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> seems to run ok..
11:12 AM roycroft: happy thursday
11:12 AM roycroft: it's another beautiful day in paradise
11:13 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> we got so much rain yesterday.. It started coming into the studio... (garage converted into moms weaving studio)
11:14 AM roycroft: yikes
11:15 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> there is already a sump pump in one corner - dad plumbed it for the other corner too - but the hole was never put in the concrete. I guess I need to do that.
11:15 AM roycroft: i keep working on my shop roof design, and have been worrying about having the shop exposed to the elements for a long time while i'm rebuilding it, but i think i have a plan to keep it covered throughout the construction work
11:15 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> neat!
11:15 AM roycroft: and i'm not going to start the job until mid-july or later - during the driest part of the year
11:15 AM roycroft: it's going to be a timber frame design
11:16 AM roycroft: a lot of work
11:16 AM roycroft: a LOT of work
11:16 AM roycroft: but i'll be able to do all the joinery on the ground, ahead of time
11:16 AM roycroft: so when it comes time to erect it it should go fairly quickly
11:16 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> this is a poured celiling - so the roof is concrete and flat. I want to put a 3 seasons (to start with) structure on top.. That would solve some problems.
11:16 AM roycroft: yeah, that would help a lot
11:17 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> it is a rather large area..
11:17 AM roycroft: it would give you more storage/living space, make the roof water tight, and would aesthetically look a lot better
11:17 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> right
11:18 AM roycroft: when i was building out fiber infrastructure i'd use pre-fab communications huts that were built back east and trucked in
11:18 AM roycroft: they were concrete buildings with flat roofs
11:18 AM roycroft: in every case where in installed one the local municipality required a false gable roof be constructed on top because it looked better
11:18 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> https://photos.app.goo.gl/onYDDawNcuNLCuo38
11:19 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> ^ that. the 10 year plan would be to move the kitchen out there.
11:20 AM roycroft: that is a pretty decent size building
11:20 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> it is.
11:20 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> going to need some well thought out trusses.
11:20 AM * JT-Cave is still waiting for the appliance repair person to call with an arrival time
11:20 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> ugh
11:20 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> yeck
11:21 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I would like the second floor windows to be just above the truss - and the water to shed to the front and left of the studio
11:21 AM JT-Cave: last time they canceled due to unknown
11:22 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> but I really need to sit down and figure it out.
11:22 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> it would be nice to not have to shovel the roof in the winter.
11:23 AM roycroft: today is the day that centurylink allegely will be removing the aerial drop that is tresspassing over my shop
11:25 AM Tom_L: JT-Cave, is this because it's warranty work?
11:25 AM JT-Cave: yup
11:26 AM Tom_L: that sucks
11:26 AM JT-Cave: fridge has been down for over a month
11:26 AM Tom_L: they get paid either way
11:33 AM pcw---home: <skunkworks8841@> as long as the negative swing of the phase error doesn't exceed the negative setting of timer-us it's ok
11:34 AM pcw---home: if it does, you get stale position data. You can compensate for large timer-us delays in the PID loop (with FF2)
11:35 AM pcw---home: (FF2 = timer-us value in seconds + nominal read/write delay in seconds)
11:47 AM roycroft: https://roycroft.us/Shop/ShopFrame.jpeg
11:47 AM roycroft: that is a render of my existing shop frame
11:48 AM roycroft: there is currently a low pitch (3:12) gable roof on it that is poorly constructed and sagging
11:48 AM roycroft: my plan is to rip the entire roof off and rebuild it
11:49 AM roycroft: i don't have any renders of my current design, but this is a partial preliminary design that is similar to what i'll be building:
11:49 AM roycroft: https://roycroft.us/Shop/LoftFrame1.jpeg
11:49 AM roycroft: the idea is that there will be loft space along the ends for storage, and the center will be open, so i'll have a high ceiling in the middle
11:50 AM roycroft: it will be a gambrel roof, and there is just one lower rafter in that render
11:50 AM roycroft: i'm still playing with dimensions a bit and then i'll do the upper part
11:51 AM roycroft: i'm probably going to put a window on each gable end, and i'm also considering installing a cupola for looks and ventilation
11:52 AM roycroft: it's getting really weird trying to calculate the loading of a timber frame roof on conventional frame walls
11:52 AM roycroft: and i'm now leaning towards essentially turning the existing frame into wall panels and embedding a full timber frame within them
11:53 AM lcnc-relay: <roguish> roycroft: over build it. too strong is better than not strong enough
11:53 AM roycroft: i.e. adding posts at the corners and where the two tie beams go
11:53 AM roycroft: roguish: i'll build it in a calculated manner
11:53 AM roycroft: but a 25% overbuild factor is pretty standard
11:53 AM lcnc-relay: <roguish> find the UBC on line somewhere....
11:53 AM roycroft: i'm not going to be able to calculate the timber sizes until i finish the initial design
11:54 AM roycroft: because i need to start at the roof, calculate the weight of that, then calculate the size of the rafters needed, then work my way down until i get to the main posts
11:54 AM roycroft: i haven't added any of the bracing to the model yet
11:55 AM roycroft: i need to get the main timber layout done first, then i can do the bracing
11:55 AM roycroft: i want that big open area in the middle, and i want no posts in the middle of the shop
11:55 AM lcnc-relay: <roguish> check this place for the codes... https://public.resource.org/
11:55 AM roycroft: so timber frame is really the only option
11:56 AM roycroft: well, post and beam is an option
11:56 AM roycroft: but eew
11:56 AM roycroft: that's kind of ugly
11:56 AM roycroft: and adds a lot of cost for the connectors
11:56 AM roycroft: but is a lot faster to build than all the joinery work that timber frame requires
11:57 AM roycroft: it's a small shop
11:58 AM roycroft: 16' spans is kind of the dividing line in timber framing - >16' and there's a lot of extra work to do, and the framing timber sizes go up really fast
11:58 AM roycroft: mine is a 14' span, so it's well within the simple range
11:59 AM lcnc-relay: <roguish> if you are getting permits, you may need a PE to sign your calcs. $$$$$$$$
12:00 PM roycroft: i have budget for that
12:01 PM lcnc-relay: <roguish> https://archive.org/details/publicsafetycode?tab=collection&query=oregon
12:02 PM lcnc-relay: <roguish> https://archive.org/details/gov.or.structural
12:03 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I have to look - because it has bee a while (we are rural..) but a 3 seasons covered porch doesn't need a permet. So people do that - then slowly turn it into a room
12:04 PM lcnc-relay: <roguish> a bit more recent https://archive.org/details/oregon.gov.structural.2022
12:04 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> dad built all his building (other than the house) without permits because they were 'farm' buildings
12:05 PM roycroft: i'm not sure if i'll pull permits or not
12:06 PM lcnc-relay: <roguish> be caucious
12:06 PM roycroft: technically i probably should, but i can do significant work on rebuilding the roof without
12:06 PM roycroft: regardless, i'm going to ensure that the work is up to code and safe
12:06 PM roycroft: and i'm planning on an engineer review whether i permit it or not
12:07 PM lcnc-relay: <roguish> some places are nasty and will make you actually tear it all down.....
12:07 PM roycroft: i'm going to be working in that building for the indefinite future, and i have tens of thousands of dollars worth of tools and equipment in it
12:08 PM roycroft: around here, if permits are required and not pulled, they make you pay the permit fee, a small penalty, and require that it passes inspection
12:09 PM Tom_L: what does a 12" wet snow storm weigh?
12:09 PM lcnc-relay: <roguish> you're lucky
12:09 PM roycroft: i don't know - we don't have those :)
12:09 PM roycroft: it does weigh a lot though
12:09 PM lcnc-relay: <roguish> Tom_L: it's all in the code books
12:09 PM roycroft: well, the weight of the snow isn't
12:10 PM roycroft: but ther's a live load factor that has to be added, and snow load is part of the live load
12:10 PM roycroft: i don't remember what the live load factor is for my house, but i have that information
12:10 PM roycroft: wind loading is also part of the live load factor
12:11 PM roycroft: fortunately, we don't get heavy snow nor high winds here
12:11 PM Tom_L: you'd need straps in florida
12:11 PM roycroft: so it's a fairly low factor
12:11 PM roycroft: for conventional framing
12:11 PM roycroft: this is timber frame
12:11 PM roycroft: and if i end up just overlaying a timber frame roof on a conventional frame structure then i'll need ties
12:12 PM roycroft: but if add posts to the ground and turn the whole building into a timber frame the framing itself and the braces will act as the ties
12:13 PM roycroft: keep in mind that with timber framing, all the framing members will be joined and pegged to each other, and all the braces will be pegged to the timbers
12:19 PM JT-Shop: sounds way too complicated...
12:20 PM * JT-Shop gives up on the repair tech and goes to take a nap
12:20 PM JT-Shop: for sure the moment I fall asleep I'll get the call
12:21 PM rdtsc-w: "I was there, but saw you sleeping through the window, so decided to let you sleep..."
12:21 PM xxcoder: 😳
12:29 PM roycroft: it is very labor intensive, jt-shop
12:29 PM roycroft: but it will look great, and it will give me the openness that i want/need in the shop
12:30 PM xxcoder: I guess you could also add drawers or whatever to the slope sides
12:31 PM roycroft: that will be loft space
12:31 PM roycroft: i may build some small cabinets into it
12:31 PM roycroft: but at the very least there will be overhead storage
12:32 PM xxcoder: pretty cool
12:36 PM roycroft: i'm already moving the loft dimensions out a little, so the opening in the middle will be larger and the lower rafters more steep
12:37 PM roycroft: that will add some height to the loft opening
12:37 PM roycroft: and what i'm thinking is that i can install some short cabinets right on the loft decks, and then shelving above for general storage
01:05 PM roycroft: wow
01:06 PM roycroft: a centurylink bucket truck just arrived
01:06 PM roycroft: they're actually going to do what they've been promising to do
01:06 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> yay
01:06 PM xxcoder: wow
01:06 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> !
01:13 PM roycroft: he just took a ladder off the truck and is getting some tools
01:13 PM roycroft: so it's really happening today - it's not just another recon trip
01:23 PM xxcoder: hopefully you will have one less wire soon
01:30 PM JT-Shop: you've got me beat... not a peep out of sears home whatever
01:33 PM roycroft: i hope they show up
01:34 PM roycroft: i think you've been working as hard on that as i have on getting the phone line removed
01:34 PM roycroft: and neither of us should have had to work hard
01:34 PM roycroft: it should have been a single phone call for each of us
01:35 PM xxcoder: they probably spent 10x as much money fighting you than if they simply sent out and moved wire on single call
01:35 PM JT-Shop: yep I spend several days dealing with an ai before they would even start a ticket
01:38 PM JT-Shop: and my toe jack leaked again from some unknown place
01:45 PM roycroft: i am returning my new internet radio
01:45 PM roycroft: it keeps dropping out and rebuffering out in the shop
01:46 PM roycroft: i brought my kitchen internet radio out there and it performs flawlessly
01:46 PM roycroft: now i have to find a different internet radio for the shop
01:46 PM xxcoder: geez
01:46 PM roycroft: and they have gone up more than 100% in price since the pre-tariff days, so finding an affordable one is difficult
01:47 PM roycroft: the one i bought for $70 a bit over a year ago is now $160
01:47 PM roycroft: maybe when the tariff yo-yo lag time is reached it will go back down again
02:02 PM JT-Shop: 3hr 10min left in my appointment time
02:03 PM Tom_L: what does the frig not do?
02:03 PM rdtsc-w: what is the recourse if they no-call no-show? here we'd talk to the local news channel, have them do a segment on it
02:04 PM JT-Shop: it does not cool but rather it maintains 80°F
02:04 PM JT-Shop: so actually quite hot inside
02:05 PM JT-Shop: so when they canceled last time it was at 10am
02:06 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> compressor hooked in reverse...
02:06 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> 😉
02:07 PM JT-Shop: I think it's stuck in defrost mode
02:20 PM roycroft: hopefully it's your food fridge, and not your beer fridge
02:21 PM roycroft: with the heat wave you're having, a working beer fridge is a must
02:21 PM roycroft: at least the floor didn't buckle and topple the fridge over
02:21 PM roycroft: that might not be covered under warranty
02:21 PM JT-Shop: well I'm using the beer fridge on the mean time
02:22 PM roycroft: so perfect :)
02:22 PM roycroft: that's no excuse for the repair folks to not show up though
02:27 PM JT-Shop: the surface grinder has moved 12' so only 12' left to go
02:27 PM Tom_L: it's not in a hurry to leave
02:28 PM JT-Shop: takes a lot of work to move it not to mention moving everything else that's in the way
02:29 PM Tom_L: did they find your lift?
02:29 PM JT-Shop: I don't think abf picked up yet
02:30 PM roycroft: my roofing project is not going to be fun with a shop full of machines and tools and materials
02:30 PM roycroft: there's going to be a lot of moving things a little bit to get the next thing done
02:31 PM roycroft: i can relate to your move
02:31 PM JT-Shop: in my big shop everything is on wheels or can be moved with the pallet jack except for the bandsaw
02:32 PM roycroft: most of my stuff is on wheels
02:32 PM roycroft: the fastener cabinets are not, nor is my workbench
02:32 PM roycroft: both of which are big and heavy
02:32 PM roycroft: but it's still tedious to move stuff around
02:32 PM xxcoder: teris game\
02:33 PM roycroft: yup
02:40 PM JT-Shop: 15 squares game for me
02:48 PM xxcoder: cars game lol
02:48 PM xxcoder: since youre trying to get the car (grinder) out
02:57 PM Unterhaus_ is now known as Unterhausen
02:58 PM Unterhausen: I finally tried to fix the leak in the bathtub faucet, and failed. Yay
03:01 PM Unterhausen: I guess it's not unexpected that a faucet wouldn't unthread after 50 years
03:07 PM JT-Shop: might take a bit of work to loosen it up
03:10 PM Unterhausen: I feel confident a dremel will do it
03:13 PM xxcoder: can't be tight when its liquid
03:18 PM rdtsc-w: might divulge into "easier to open the wall and replace the whole shebang", being that old
03:18 PM bjorkintosh: it must be hard water.
03:19 PM bjorkintosh: the bane of plumbing everywhere.
03:33 PM JT-Shop: the next thing I need to do is empty the burn barrel but I left the lid off so I'll need the kubota to carry it to the dump
03:34 PM JT-Shop: then I can burn all the boxes in front of the door
03:40 PM roycroft: that was not a terribly productive lunch break
03:41 PM roycroft: i'm trying to sell my gtaw welder again, and i have a bunch of folks interested, so i went to get it from storage
03:42 PM roycroft: i got the welder and the cooler and the cart, but i can't find the torch, ground cable, gas cups, and other accessories for it
03:42 PM roycroft: and all the boxes in that unit are starting to fall over, so it's both a mess and a hazard
03:42 PM * roycroft thinks it's time to have a big garage sale so he can get rid of at least half of that stuff
03:44 PM JT-Shop: I still have the miller tig and mig welders, I sold the big miller with the spool gun
03:46 PM roycroft: i really want to sell this welder
03:46 PM roycroft: it's nice having a gtaw welder, but i've used it a half dozen times in the last 10 years
03:47 PM roycroft: it's hard to justify reserving any real estate for something i use so seldom
03:47 PM roycroft: and i just upgraded my gmaw welder a couple years ago, and could have used that instead of the gtaw welder most of the time
03:47 PM roycroft: the old gmaw welder was just too wimpy for some stuff
03:48 PM JT-Shop: that's the same situation I'm in, I don't make assembly equipment anymore so a lot of stuff needs to go
03:48 PM roycroft: i also want to stop paying for two storage units
03:48 PM roycroft: i'm ok paying for one, but not two
03:48 PM roycroft: so i need to clear one of them out asap
03:48 PM JT-Shop: that's even worse than my situation
03:49 PM roycroft: yeah, at least you're not paying rent on the stuff every month
03:49 PM roycroft: you're just tripping over it
03:49 PM JT-Shop: and testing the strength of items with my shin
03:50 PM roycroft: i've done plenty of that
03:51 PM roycroft: it's a big reason i'm going to the expense of building the gambrel roof for my shop
03:51 PM roycroft: i can stow stuff overhead and not on the floor
03:51 PM roycroft: a $1500 roofing job is now an $8k roof rebuild
03:51 PM roycroft: but it will be worth it
03:51 PM JT-Shop: you making a room in attic?
03:58 PM roycroft: a loft on the sides
03:58 PM roycroft: https://roycroft.us/Shop/LoftFrame1.jpeg
03:58 PM roycroft: that's a very preliminary design
03:59 PM JT-Shop: nice
03:59 PM roycroft: but the joists on the sides will be decked, and i'll be installing some cabinets and other storage-related fixtures there
03:59 PM roycroft: the middle of the shop will be open with a high ceiling
04:00 PM roycroft: right now the shop has a 3 in 12 gable roof, very underconstructed
04:00 PM roycroft: it is sagging and the shingles need replacement
04:00 PM roycroft: and with that low a pitch there's not much room for storage anyway
04:00 PM roycroft: so i decided to rip the whole thing off and build a new one
04:03 PM JT-Shop: there is a lot of 3/12 pitch roofs where I used to live in Metairie but it doesn't snow there well only once in 50 years or so
04:03 PM bjorkintosh: JT-Shop: in LA?
04:04 PM JT-Shop: yup
04:04 PM bjorkintosh: heh. the snow event was 128 years :-D
04:05 PM JT-Shop: it just snowed in january there
04:05 PM bjorkintosh: yes. for the first time in 128 years.
04:05 PM JT-Shop: I saw ice a couple of times when I lived there
04:05 PM bjorkintosh: beyond a thing layer of snow ie.
04:05 PM roycroft: back in the '70s there was plenty of snow there at all the celebrity parties
04:05 PM bjorkintosh: hahaha
04:05 PM bjorkintosh: and ice too, roycroft?
04:05 PM roycroft: probably
04:05 PM roycroft: i wasn't there
04:11 PM JT-Shop: 1 hour left in my appointment with the sears home tech...
04:14 PM bjorkintosh: 'sears'?? they still exist?
04:14 PM bjorkintosh: damn. they'll never die!
04:14 PM JT-Shop: sears home appliance service
04:19 PM lcnc-relay: <roguish> we have one of the 26 remaining Sears stores
04:21 PM JT-Shop: a full sears store or a hometown store?
04:21 PM JT-Shop: we had a small hometown store but the owner got pissed when he couldn't get craftsman tools
04:21 PM lcnc-relay: <roguish> full on store. the car service section is closed, but the rest still open
04:22 PM JT-Shop: Cape had a really big sears, I forget what they called it
04:22 PM bjorkintosh: a rogue sears store huh?
04:23 PM lcnc-relay: <roguish> haha
04:23 PM JT-Shop: we had a Big K mart but they never had much of a variety
04:26 PM JT-Shop: 45 minutes left...
04:38 PM JT-Shop: T-30 to failure to arrive
04:42 PM JT-Shop: after being on hold all damn day I have no clue what's for dinner now... with limited cold storage now we eat day to day
04:43 PM JT-Shop: hmm maybe a bowl of grits is in order
04:54 PM JT-Shop: T-15 for a no show
04:54 PM JT-Shop: wtf
04:56 PM _unreal_: god..... SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much stuff to move and get rid of
04:58 PM JT-Shop: better git off of the irc and get to work
04:58 PM bjorkintosh: _unreal_: if you can, hire movers.
04:58 PM bjorkintosh: the amount of work involved in moving is unreal.
04:59 PM lcnc-relay: <roguish> moving is the best excuse and time to purge
04:59 PM _unreal_: haaaa...
04:59 PM _unreal_: I'm going from a mansion to a 3-2
04:59 PM _unreal_: and I was forced to inherit 30x what I wanted from my late father thanks to my PIA siblings
05:00 PM bjorkintosh: ah they didn't want to hire movers either.
05:00 PM bjorkintosh: understandable.
05:00 PM _unreal_: its an involved story but ya... they suck
05:00 PM lcnc-relay: <roguish> coulda been worse. your old man coulda cut your ass out entirely
05:00 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, maybe you should take it to them
05:01 PM JT-Shop: maybe they just need to ship me a new on
05:01 PM JT-Shop: one
05:01 PM _unreal_: he did
05:01 PM Tom_L: or that
05:01 PM JT-Shop: and the ai is so stupid
05:01 PM _unreal_: roguish HE did. I'm the eldest of 5 and he did no will, trust or anything with intent.
05:28 PM JT-Shop: so I'm having a conversation with the lg ai lol
05:29 PM _unreal_: and
05:30 PM JT-Shop: please allow 24-48 hours for a reasonable resolution on this matter
05:34 PM roycroft: _unreal_: take what you want and arrange for an estate sale for the rest
05:34 PM roycroft: hire someone to run the estate sale for a percentage of the take
05:40 PM JT-Shop: Alright. Just to wrap things up, you reached us today regarding your repair and since no one has showed up I have escalated the case to out team for a reasonable resolution.
05:42 PM bjorkintosh: JT-Shop: is your fridge a computer masquerading as a cooling device?
05:43 PM JT-Shop: it's actually a heater atm
05:43 PM bjorkintosh: ah.
05:43 PM JT-Shop: keeps the inside at 80°F
05:49 PM * JT-Shop calls it a day
05:52 PM roycroft: a "reasonable resolution" would be to have fixed it a month ago
05:53 PM * roycroft is just saying
05:53 PM roycroft: i have work to do in the shop, and i really want to get going on that, but my phone switch and cloud server both crashed today
05:54 PM roycroft: one of my hypervisors failed an upgrade, and i had temporarily moved all its virtual machines to my other hypervisor
05:54 PM roycroft: which is now overloaded
05:54 PM Silverback: Good afternoon, I have the qt_dragon_hd gui with versaprobe and the qt_auto_probe_tool remapped for M6 per the LinuxCNC web directions.
05:54 PM roycroft: so i get to rebuild the first one now instead of doing my shop work
05:55 PM Silverback: However, when I run a program, it replaces the display of gcode with the auto probe routine. Is there anything I should check to start diagnosing yhis?
05:55 PM * roycroft wonders where his electronics vacuum is
05:56 PM roycroft: that would be a good start at the rebuild
05:56 PM roycroft: othewise i'll have to unrack it, take it outside, and blow it out with compressed air
05:57 PM xxcoder: hey
05:58 PM xxcoder: oh left already
06:01 PM lcnc-relay: <roguish> roycroft: gonna flash a new pfSense on my Netgate router thing
06:02 PM lcnc-relay: <roguish> Silverback: keep your finger on the estop and your eye on the probe and part
06:04 PM xxcoder: sady that silver guy left
06:06 PM roycroft: keep your eyes on the road and your hands upon the wheel
06:06 PM roycroft: we're gonna cnc now, gonna have a real good time
06:07 PM roycroft: i found the vac
06:07 PM roycroft: and the servers are pretty dirty
06:08 PM roycroft: i might have to spend an hour vacuuming them all out before i go any further
06:18 PM Tom_L: at least somebody replied to him after he left
06:55 PM roycroft: folks can be impatient
06:55 PM roycroft: when they are it's generally their loss
07:24 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> https://photos.app.goo.gl/qEU8pD36mPvpNTrG8
07:25 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> We got another gusher of a rain.. decided as long as there was water there I might as well start drilling for the sump pump
07:25 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> 2 days in a row. Tornados around the area too
07:25 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> The water made the dust non existent
07:33 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> Also .. water started running into the basement bathroom.. by an inside wall.. wtf? Moved some plastic tubs and found water pouring out of the copper tube from the fuel tank that doesn't exist anymore...
07:33 PM roycroft: even after all these years i still miss thunderstorms
07:33 PM roycroft: but i do not miss tornados at all
07:35 PM Unterhausen: we have a dog cowering in the basement rn, hopefully she doesn't find out she can move in with roycroft and avoid thunderstorms
07:35 PM bjorkintosh: heh.
07:35 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> https://photos.app.goo.gl/M1Keduk7e3Br1GAr8
07:36 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> Yah.. stellas dog is the same.. will find a desk to hide under
07:36 PM roycroft: she cannot
07:36 PM roycroft: i have cats
07:36 PM roycroft: they would not abide by having a dog here
07:38 PM * roycroft has a hypervisor installed, but was lazy and installed an earlier version vs. burning a current one to a thumb drive
07:39 PM roycroft: now i have to do a bunch of upgraces, which is probably more work than just installing the current version from the get go
07:39 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> Dad got a Bosch corded hammer drill and boy that is nice
07:39 PM roycroft: i have a bosch sds drill
07:39 PM roycroft: it really is amazing
07:39 PM bjorkintosh: skunkworks, with a vacuum?
07:39 PM roycroft: btw, i was watching a youtube video last night
07:40 PM roycroft: one of those stupid "workplace fail" videos
07:40 PM roycroft: it was time to go to bed, and i needed something stupid to put me to sleep
07:40 PM bjorkintosh: roycroft: you didn't turn on the news? that always does the trick :-D
07:40 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> No vacuum
07:40 PM roycroft: one of the scenes showed a guy using a regular drilling machine to drill concrete with a concrete drill
07:40 PM Unterhausen: The storm our dog is worried about passed by 30 minutes ago
07:41 PM roycroft: he held the drill to the wall, turned on the machine, then started hitting the back of it with a hammer to simulate the impact effecdt
07:41 PM bjorkintosh: https://www.boschtools.com/us/en/products/hdc200-1600A0022G Universal Dust Collection Attachment
07:41 PM roycroft: the news is just depressing
07:41 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> Oof
07:41 PM roycroft: it makes it harder to sleep
07:41 PM roycroft: in that same video some guy obviously did not have a drilling machine
07:42 PM roycroft: so he taped a drill to a fan, turned on the fan, and attempted to drill through a wall with the fan
07:42 PM roycroft: i suspect that one was staged
07:42 PM bjorkintosh: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/o0fax7Vycqg
07:43 PM roycroft: well that hypervisor was on pve 6.x when i started the upgrade a few days ago that failed
07:43 PM roycroft: it's up to 7.4.20 now
07:43 PM roycroft: and after this reboot i'll try to take it to 8.x
07:43 PM roycroft: then i can rerack the machine and move the vms back to it
07:44 PM roycroft: and speaking of depressing news, rfj jr just banned the use of thiomersal in vaccines
07:44 PM roycroft: because in 100 years of use there's been absolutely zero evidence of it being harmful in an way, especially with regard to causing autism
07:45 PM roycroft: so thanks for making our vaccines less safe
07:45 PM roycroft: rfk jr, rather
07:46 PM roycroft: actually he probably just made them much more expensive instead of less safe
07:46 PM roycroft: and also less available
07:48 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> Ugh.. it is raining heavy again
07:49 PM xxcoder: surpise rain here
07:50 PM bjorkintosh: we are currently ruled by dunning-kruger candidate samples. hopefully we will think carefully come next election cycle.
07:52 PM roycroft: IF there is another election cycle
08:01 PM bjorkintosh: If.
08:01 PM roycroft: too many reboots of this machine
08:01 PM roycroft: proxmox upgrades are not fun
08:02 PM roycroft: i really should have downloaded a current iso and installed that
08:02 PM roycroft: but i couldn't be bothered
08:02 PM roycroft: now i'm bothered :)
08:13 PM xxcoder: regets lol
08:20 PM roycroft: it just helps teach me not to be lazy
08:21 PM roycroft: lazy is usually expensive
08:25 PM bjorkintosh: depends on the variety of laziness.
08:42 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> https://photos.app.goo.gl/ZWJCUqAhnbwUp5XT6
09:05 PM roycroft: bill moyers has left the building
09:05 PM roycroft: he was 91, so he lived a good, long life
09:05 PM xxcoder: man skunkworks you vacuumed too hard ;)
09:08 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> It is still raining.. the basement is starting to weep
09:08 PM xxcoder: bleh. is hole for sump pump?
10:12 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> Yes
10:12 PM xxcoder: thats good
10:28 PM roycroft: so i've finally figured out how aptitude works
10:29 PM roycroft: whenever you do an apt install or apt update, all goes well as long as you're monitoring it
10:30 PM roycroft: but 7 nanoseconds after you get up and walk away so that it can finish doing its thing, a dialog box pops up and waits for a response before proceeding further
10:30 PM xxcoder: lol
10:30 PM roycroft: it's like a toddler
10:31 PM roycroft: it doesn't need attention but it craves attention
11:07 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> Well... The testing of the srb for Artemis didn't go as planned.. Northrup Grumman.
11:07 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> The nozzle failed
11:39 PM roycroft: the last vm is moving back to the newly-rebuilt hypervisor
11:39 PM roycroft: soon, crisis averted
11:39 PM xxcoder: and cooler cpus?
11:39 PM roycroft: but an entire evening wasted
11:39 PM roycroft: there was a lot of dust
11:39 PM roycroft: but it's all been sucked up into the vacuum