#linuxcnc Logs
Jun 12 2025
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:51 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> guten morgen
04:44 AM Tom_L: morning
05:22 AM lcnc-relay: <sodakaustik@> mornnin
05:37 AM JT-Cave: morning
07:33 AM rdtsc-w: morning
07:56 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> https://chili3d.com/
07:56 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> https://hackaday.com/2025/06/12/open-source-cad-in-the-browser/
09:14 AM NetPipe: https://github.com/netpipe/CDIFF/releases/tag/macos
09:14 AM NetPipe: text to image generator for cnc stuff
10:29 AM NetPipe: got rid of python dependancy for stable diffusion
11:34 AM JT-Mobile: Yo
11:34 AM Tom_L: yo ho ho
11:40 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
12:08 PM NetPipe: https://github.com/netpipe/CDIFF/blob/main/screenshot.png got a screenshot for it
12:11 PM Tom_L: skunkworks, feed override doesn't affect rigid tapping but spindle override does
12:11 PM Tom_L: glad somebody invented M48..51
12:14 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> they thought of everything!
12:16 PM Tom_L: i stuffed G33.1 between M48 M49 to turn it off and it works great
01:32 PM roycroft: brian wilson has left the building
01:32 PM roycroft: hopefully he's at peace now, having had such a troubled life
01:35 PM bjorkintosh: apparently his father was a machinist: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murry_Wilson
01:36 PM * roycroft was privileged to see the beach boys perform in a mega concert in the mid '70s (i think 1974)
01:40 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I was 1 year old.
01:43 PM xxcoder: I was -2 years old.
01:44 PM roycroft: it was a good show
01:45 PM roycroft: you'll have to take my word for that, i guess
01:45 PM roycroft: chicago performed at that show too, but the highlight was joni mitchell, in her days with tom scott and the la express (court and spark album)
01:46 PM roycroft: there were a lot of sucky things about the '70s, but mega concerts with multiple super star bands each performing a full set was not one of them
01:46 PM xxcoder: honestly when I met you, you hardly looked any older than me
01:47 PM roycroft: nowadays when there are those kinds of shows, each band only plays for a half hour or so
01:47 PM xxcoder: maybe 5 yars older max lol
01:47 PM roycroft: it's all that good livin' :)
01:49 PM roycroft: it's lunch time, and time for some cad work
01:49 PM roycroft: i'm itching to get that mini-router working
01:49 PM xxcoder: btw my vision have been weird for couple months now. before it wouldnt even track, now its kinda random between no tracking to "late following"
01:49 PM roycroft: and i have almost all the components i need now
01:49 PM roycroft: i can relate
01:49 PM xxcoder: hopefully it means my brain is recovering on that, so i can finally have normal tracking vision
01:49 PM roycroft: my vertigo isn't totally resolved yet
01:50 PM xxcoder: my dizzyness will never change so far sadly
01:50 PM roycroft: i'm done with physical therapy for now, and i'm going to work on it on my own for a while
01:50 PM xxcoder: yeserday I fell over because I was carrying very light trash bag, because pf dizzyness affecting my ability to stay balance
01:51 PM roycroft: i think it's something i'd get used to over time, but it's still quite disturbing every time the nystagmus starts
01:51 PM xxcoder: im safe falling expert for quite a while now, so no hurt anywhere
01:52 PM xxcoder: I bet yeah
01:52 PM roycroft: i'm apparenly not a safe falling expert, as i've suffered two major injuries due to falls in the course of just over a year
01:52 PM roycroft: i'm more focused on being a fall avoidence expert
01:53 PM roycroft: hopefully i'll have some success with that
01:53 PM xxcoder: hope so
01:53 PM roycroft: this roof project has me rather concerned
01:54 PM roycroft: i will be climbing fairly high, having to balance on narrow things, and reaching overhead in odd positions with a load
02:09 PM xxcoder: wonder if you can rent or buy lifter thing
02:09 PM roycroft: i'm working on a plan to avoid the balancing on narrow things part as much as possible, and i think i can at least mostly accomplish that
02:09 PM roycroft: they're expensive, but more importantly, i would not have a safe, level place to set one up
02:09 PM xxcoder: few types, from just stright lift up, and those worker lift for electric and such, which is essentally crane but with platform for worker
02:09 PM roycroft: my back yard is still the huge mess that it was when i bought the place, and i'm not going to get to leveling it and the like until after the roofing project
02:09 PM xxcoder: actually safe level area gave me an idea
02:09 PM xxcoder: you could build a temp structure by garage, so you have flat area near roof line
02:09 PM roycroft: but my plan is to build a gambrel roof, with some shelving on the ceiling joists for storage
02:09 PM xxcoder: with ladder or something on it, and way to lift things up into it
02:09 PM roycroft: if i get a scaffold, i can install the ceiling joists first, then the decking for the shelving areas, and use them while framing the roof itself
02:09 PM xxcoder: think patio almost, but way too high near roof
02:10 PM xxcoder: of course, I was way too used to running big machines then also
02:11 PM roycroft: right, and when i build the bigger router or do the mill/drill cnc conversion i'll have one
02:11 PM roycroft: but for this tiny thing i don't think it would be too onerous to do rapids with the mouse
02:11 PM xxcoder: I was planning to use usb supernes controller for that
02:12 PM roycroft: i'll have a couple spare usb ports accessible from the outside of the controller, so worst case i could add a usb pendant later
02:12 PM roycroft: i'm installing two usb ports on the back for the keyboard/mouse, and i decided to install a couple on the front for a thumb drive and whatever else i might decide i need
02:13 PM xxcoder: good move yeah. covered?
02:13 PM roycroft: no, they're not covered
02:13 PM xxcoder: I would design in bi-stable flip cover
02:13 PM roycroft: but the controller cabinet will sit outside the enclosure for the mini-router
02:14 PM xxcoder: thats true, much less of a concern
02:14 PM roycroft: this thing will live in a room where i can't have chips flying, so enclosing the unit is a necessity
02:17 PM * roycroft decides that the usb port will be sufficient, for now at least
02:17 PM roycroft: if i change my mind and want something else for a pendant in the future, it's not impossible, but it won't go on the front panel
02:17 PM xxcoder: can always add pinouts connectors if you ever want pendant thats not usb based in futire
02:18 PM roycroft: i'm going to mount the components directly to the front frame of the cabinet
02:18 PM roycroft: so no remodeling possible
02:18 PM roycroft: on the rear, i'll install a couple metal panels in the frame for mounting the connectors
02:18 PM xxcoder: ahh ok
02:18 PM roycroft: and i'll be able to remove those panels and install new ones if my needs change later
02:18 PM xxcoder: will it have display?
02:18 PM roycroft: no
02:19 PM roycroft: there will be an hdmi port and two usb ports in the rear of the cabinet
02:19 PM roycroft: so i can plug in a display, keyboard, and mouse as needed
02:34 PM rdtsc-w: I used an industrial USB hub, powered from 24VDC; everything plugs into that (offloads things like static electricity resets, etc)
02:35 PM lcnc-relay: <roguish> roycroft: hey, how's the back doing????
02:35 PM lcnc-relay: <roguish> my gal friend with the new hip is finally off the crutches....
02:37 PM Tom_L: roycroft, i vote pendants on everything
02:37 PM Tom_L: more accurate jogging than keyboard or mouse
02:38 PM rdtsc-w: I'd've thought a USB pendant, on Rpi, would be asking for trouble but seems to work fine
02:43 PM roycroft: my back is doing well
02:43 PM roycroft: it's the vertigo that i'm still struggling with
02:44 PM * roycroft has decided on no pendant initially, and can add a usb one by just plugging it in later
02:44 PM roycroft: and if that's not good enough i can always do something else
02:44 PM roycroft: i need the project to stop growing, and a pendant is a significant amount of growth
02:57 PM Unterhaus__ is now known as Unterhausen
03:16 PM lcnc-relay: <roguish> I made my own little pendant. switches to select axis and set increment. switches for flood and mist, and a pause switch
03:16 PM lcnc-relay: <roguish> easy, just gotta have enough IO
03:27 PM roycroft: i don't need most of that for the mini-router
03:28 PM roycroft: this thing is really tiny - 320mm x 525mm
03:28 PM roycroft: and i should never need coolant when running it
03:51 PM lcnc-relay: <roguish> a jog pendant is really handy. ya need an MPG encoder thing. inexpensive Amazon.
03:51 PM lcnc-relay: <roguish> https://jauriarts.org/_heisenbridge/media/matrix.org/wPZauzlvoTjOkyOBFDPMNiQH/OWbaGwpZVu0/image.png
03:52 PM lcnc-relay: <roguish> and a pair or simple rotary switches for axis selection and increment set
03:52 PM lcnc-relay: <roguish> then a bit of hal programming
03:52 PM lcnc-relay: <roguish> but it's easy. if I can do it, anyone can
03:57 PM roycroft: for such a small machine i still don't see a need for a jog pendant
03:57 PM roycroft: but once i start using it i may change my mind on that
03:58 PM xxcoder: I already tried mouse and keyboard and it wasnt great but might be different for you
04:01 PM roycroft: there are lots of both manufactured and articles on how to construct usb pendants for linuxcnc
04:01 PM roycroft: i think that as long as i have a spare usb port on the controller it would be easy to add a pendant later
04:01 PM roycroft: and i have declared a feature freeze on the controller
04:03 PM roycroft: i'm not even shopping for nice e-stop buttons any more - i'll install a crappy looking plastic one that i already have for now, and if i want to replace it later i'll be sure to get a nicer one that has a hole cutout at least as large as the one i'm installing now
04:04 PM Tom_L: https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Alpha-Taiwan/SR2612F-0112-21R0B-D8-N?qs=yA6kp8fx8Y7S2TB5GvzfgQ%3D%3D
04:04 PM Tom_L: the rotary switch i used
04:07 PM lcnc-relay: <roguish> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00K86HDC4?ref_=ppx_hzsearch_conn_dt_b_fed_asin_title_34
04:08 PM Tom_L: the mouser ones are position adjustable
04:09 PM Tom_L: up to 12
04:09 PM Tom_L: i'm using 3-4
04:15 PM roycroft: no new features :)
04:15 PM Tom_L: awww
04:16 PM Tom_L: ok but honestly.... if it was festool....
04:16 PM Tom_L: :)
04:16 PM roycroft: nope
04:16 PM roycroft: and btw, the new festool sanders are out
04:16 PM roycroft: and i have no interest
04:16 PM Tom_L: heh
04:17 PM roycroft: they are nice, but they do not add enough new features to make me want to drop another $1k in sanders
04:17 PM roycroft: they run on batteries now, and they have led lights built in
04:17 PM roycroft: i sand in my shop, and use an extractor, and there is a power cord attached to the extractor hose, so batteries mean nothing to me
04:18 PM roycroft: and i have lights
04:19 PM roycroft: that's all they have to offer that i don't have, other than the wallet slimming feature which i do not need at all
04:19 PM Tom_L: but they might
04:20 PM roycroft: but they don't
04:20 PM roycroft: they're almost identical in specs to ones i already have
04:21 PM * roycroft just isn't a good fanboi
07:28 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I am a linux fanboy...
07:29 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> it is easy and does everything I want.
07:29 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> and I have 20 years experience in it.. and forget about all the gotchas that happen..
07:38 PM xxcoder: whew. 2 tanks emptied, one filled. not same liquid
07:41 PM bjorkintosh: hear hear. to *nix.
07:45 PM xxcoder: yep
07:53 PM roycroft: well i used unix for a long time and it did what i needed to do
07:53 PM roycroft: (i still use it - it's called macos now)
07:53 PM roycroft: but then i started using bsd because it did things that unix didn't do
07:53 PM roycroft: i used that for a very long time
07:54 PM roycroft: but then the bsd distros started not doing what i needed
07:54 PM roycroft: and i started using linux
07:54 PM roycroft: i think the definition of a fanboi is someone who sticks with a product even when it starts to suck or when alternate products do things better
07:55 PM roycroft: and that is definitely not me
07:55 PM roycroft: so fair warning, linuxcnc - i'll be moving on when there's something better :)
07:56 PM lcnc-relay: <ccatlett1984@> Arguably, better stuff exists. It just doesn't come with the price of free.
07:56 PM bjorkintosh: *nix to me is *bsd, linux, ultrix, unix, irix, whatever.
07:56 PM roycroft: arguably, cost is part of the equation
07:56 PM bjorkintosh: the posix tools work.
07:56 PM bjorkintosh: and I'm happy for that because I'm immediately competent.
07:57 PM lcnc-relay: <ccatlett1984@> The only *nix that I use, are in "things"
07:58 PM roycroft: so shaper introduced a router "bit" cleaner a few months ago (i hate that term - a "bit" is something that goes in a horse's mouth - machines use cutters)
07:58 PM roycroft: anyway
07:59 PM roycroft: it's just an ultrasonic cleaner with some proprietary formula cleaning solution
07:59 PM xxcoder: sounds too bespoken. id just buy ultrasonic and figure whats best liquid for it.
07:59 PM roycroft: the cleaner is not too badly priced - $99 for the device plus a small jar of cleaner
08:00 PM bjorkintosh: 'proprietary formula'. i bet it's dawn soap and isopropyl or some such.
08:00 PM roycroft: but replacement cleaner is $25 for a 500ml jar
08:01 PM roycroft: i just put some diluted simple green in a little jar and stuck it in my small ultrasonic cleaner, and it removes all the crud from the router cutters in a couple minutes
08:01 PM xxcoder: simple green is amazing. I need to get some.
08:02 PM roycroft: concentrated simple green is about $20/gallon, and i diluted it by a factor of four with water
08:02 PM xxcoder: at work I usually used 1:10
08:02 PM roycroft: i do have a wee concern though
08:02 PM roycroft: simple green will easily remove paint, and many router cutters have an anti-stick coating on the non-cutting edges
08:03 PM roycroft: simple green will remove that over time, and i'm not sure if the special shaper stuff does
08:03 PM roycroft: but it really doesn't matter much, if at all, because simple green is so cheap one can afford to clean cutters every time they are used, and the non-cutting surfaces will never get a buildup of pitch and other crap, anti-stick coating or not
08:03 PM xxcoder: would something besides simple green clean those
08:04 PM xxcoder: im sure you can use 1:10, not 1:4 too. less damaging if it does that
08:05 PM roycroft: probably
08:05 PM roycroft: it's also not going to remove that coating, even at 1:4, in a few minutes
08:05 PM roycroft: it would take prolonged contact to do that
08:06 PM roycroft: as well, spent simple green can be dumped in the sink and rinsed down the drain
08:06 PM roycroft: not the case with solvent-based cleaners
08:06 PM xxcoder: yeah. thats why I like those
08:07 PM roycroft: i have my front panel design done, front and back
08:07 PM roycroft: but i'm dealing with that shape builder issue again
08:07 PM roycroft: i really need to get a handle on that
08:08 PM * roycroft wishes cad software would just export to svg, so he would not have to go through intermediate software for the conversion
08:09 PM roycroft: autcad has been around for 43 years now
08:09 PM roycroft: why is there still not a svg export option?
08:10 PM roycroft: especially since there are so many cutters/lasers/engravers/etc. that only accept svg input
08:10 PM xxcoder: no idea. I know freecad does, export out of sketchup sketch, but otherwise I dont kniow
08:10 PM Tom_L: maybe their market didn't demand it
08:11 PM bjorkintosh: https://cloudconvert.com/dxf-to-svg
08:11 PM bjorkintosh: *ahem*
08:11 PM roycroft: yeah, i know there are a lot of online converters
08:11 PM roycroft: 1. they cannot be trusted to do the conversion as needed
08:11 PM roycroft: 2. they are online
08:11 PM roycroft: both 1 and 2 are disqualifiers
08:12 PM xxcoder: I only use online when I dont care if they steal file
08:12 PM xxcoder: otherwise nah
08:12 PM roycroft: i just need to figure out the magic incantaion to make affinity designer reliably do what is needed
08:13 PM roycroft: their shapebuilder tool is pretty weird
08:14 PM Tom_L: have you tried inkscape export to svg?
08:14 PM lcnc-relay: <ccatlett1984@> I don't think you see any of the cad software, able to export as svg, because it is the antithesis of a dimension drawing.
08:14 PM xxcoder: inkscape isnt quite a cad
08:14 PM Tom_L: at some point, they are just files
08:14 PM roycroft: correct
08:15 PM xxcoder: ccat yep I often use freecad when I want precise constrant svg file
08:15 PM roycroft: the files are just files
08:15 PM xxcoder: because inkscape sucks on that
08:15 PM roycroft: but a vector drawing tool and a cad tool are completely different
08:15 PM Tom_L: also suggestes QCAD 3
08:15 PM lcnc-relay: <ccatlett1984@> Both dxf and SVG are human readable file formats, there is probably already a project on GitHub written in Python to convert from one to the other.
08:16 PM xxcoder: isnt there 2d cad? forgot name
08:16 PM roycroft: the vector drawing tools like inkscape and adobe illustrator are more like paint programs that can scale without loss than precise cad programs
08:16 PM roycroft: i have qcad
08:16 PM bjorkintosh: <Tom_L> at some point, they are just files <--- at some point it's really just text if it's not a binary format.
08:16 PM roycroft: i have a licensed version of it
08:16 PM roycroft: i find it tedious to use
08:16 PM Tom_L: there are likely hundreds of 2.5d halfass cad packages
08:17 PM lcnc-relay: <ccatlett1984@> https://github.com/fritz-heinrichmeyer/dxf2svg
08:17 PM Tom_L: says it exports without loss of quality
08:17 PM roycroft: i don't want to use front end software to generate the drawings that is 10x more of a hassle to use than the correct tool, just because it can save to the format i need for the machine more easily
08:18 PM roycroft: it's not that there is a loss of qualityh
08:18 PM lcnc-relay: <ccatlett1984@> https://github.com/supipd/dxf2tbl2svg this one is written in javascript.
08:18 PM roycroft: this project, for example, has a cutout for a key switch
08:18 PM roycroft: the cutout is a circle with the sides cropped so that the switch won't twist in the hole
08:18 PM roycroft: i.e. the sides are straight, but the top and bottom are curves
08:19 PM Tom_L: like a D but both sides
08:19 PM roycroft: i draw that in autocad - it takes just a fe wseconds
08:19 PM Tom_L: not complicted
08:19 PM roycroft: right
08:19 PM roycroft: but when i do so i have four separate lines - the two arcs at the top and bottom, and the two straight line segments at the sides
08:19 PM roycroft: that's fine
08:19 PM roycroft: i select all four, and merge them into a group
08:20 PM roycroft: also fine - at that point if i select one of the group elements the entire group is selected
08:20 PM roycroft: so i save as dwg or dxf
08:20 PM roycroft: and then open my other software - affinity designer
08:20 PM roycroft: it can read both dwg and dxf
08:20 PM roycroft: but when it reads the file it converts back to four elements
08:21 PM Tom_L: are the elements created in the same direction. ie are the arcs clockwise or ccw and where are the start/end points of the lines in relation to the rest of the group
08:21 PM roycroft: now i've lost my shape
08:21 PM roycroft: and i can't use it on the shaper origin
08:21 PM Tom_L: ^^ is key in some packages
08:21 PM roycroft: doesn't matter for this
08:21 PM roycroft: beause when autocad saves it saves a single vector path for the group
08:22 PM roycroft: in affinity designer i can select all elements of the imported file and convert to shapes
08:22 PM roycroft: but it does not create individual shapes
08:22 PM roycroft: it creates a single shape that is the entire area of the drawing, with holes for the individual elements
08:23 PM roycroft: i need to create a bunch of individual shapes, so i can select them individually and cut them individually
08:23 PM roycroft: i can't find a tool that does that
08:23 PM roycroft: i haven't tried putting each group in its own layer, but that would be very tedious if i had 20-30 shapes/groups to cut
08:24 PM roycroft: there's an active affinity designer community on the shaper forums, but when issues like this come up they suggest dumping affinity desinger and using shaper's studio producdt
08:24 PM roycroft: which is utter crap, costs money, and is online only
08:25 PM roycroft: and by utter crap, they just started supporting fillets last month, and the shaper studio fans think that's the greatest thing since sliced bread
08:25 PM roycroft: they don't seem to comprehend that cad software has been doing fillets for about 70 years now
08:26 PM xxcoder: yep. freecad, even in its very bad era of 0.30, had fillets
08:26 PM Tom_L: but aparently those haven't figured out the key to exporting svg files
08:28 PM roycroft: i'm sure they could figure it out
08:28 PM roycroft: they choose not to
08:29 PM bjorkintosh: 70 years? surely cad is not that old!
08:29 PM bjorkintosh: Yet.
08:30 PM roycroft: so i know that we are not supposed to discuss politics here, and that some think the line has been crossed recently, but i feel i must mention here, without editorializing in any way, that israel is right now bombing iran, including tehran
08:30 PM roycroft: i'll make no further comment, but want people to be aware that that is happening
08:30 PM roycroft: and yes, cad software dates back to the late '50s
08:30 PM roycroft: it was all mainframe based back then
08:31 PM bjorkintosh: Sutherland is from '63
08:31 PM roycroft: it was the late '60s when cad software started becoming somewhat commonplace
08:32 PM bjorkintosh: *sketchpad, sorry.
08:32 PM bjorkintosh: https://dspace.mit.edu/handle/1721.1/14979
08:32 PM roycroft: and the late '70s before it started running on smaller machines
08:32 PM roycroft: but it's been around for a very long time
08:32 PM roycroft: and fillets were not late to the party
08:34 PM Tom_L: etch a sketch had fillets in the '50s
08:35 PM roycroft: it did!
08:35 PM Tom_L: not big on export options though
08:35 PM roycroft: we had cameras back then
08:35 PM Tom_L: film
08:35 PM roycroft: yeah
08:35 PM roycroft: the good stuff
08:35 PM * roycroft has fond memorise of time spent in the darkroom
08:36 PM roycroft: memories, rather
08:36 PM Tom_L: i used to dabble in that a bit
08:36 PM Tom_L: there was a place that rented time and had a very nice color machine
08:37 PM * roycroft wonders if he might actually save time using openscad, and if its svg exports are compatible with the shaper origin
08:38 PM roycroft: i was in the camera club in high school
08:38 PM roycroft: we had a pretty nice darkroom setup
08:38 PM Tom_L: i've successfully exported sw to openscad
08:39 PM roycroft: my high school was closed a few years ago, sadly
08:39 PM Tom_L: my grade school is a museum now
08:39 PM roycroft: before my 50th year graduation anniversary
08:39 PM roycroft: i'm not sure i'd have gone back for it
08:39 PM roycroft: but it wasn't an option
08:39 PM Tom_L: i've not attended any HS post engagements
08:39 PM roycroft: nor i
08:40 PM roycroft: and after half a century, it seems it would be kind of weird
08:40 PM * roycroft moved on when he graduated
08:40 PM Tom_L: i've lost contact with every one of them
08:40 PM Tom_L: as did i
08:40 PM xxcoder: same
08:40 PM roycroft: literally, to the other side of the country, within a few years
08:40 PM Tom_L: i know several are not among us now
08:41 PM xxcoder: only one I heard news of was one that murdered his wife and kid. hes in jail for life I think
08:42 PM roycroft: i had an old girlfriend who killed someone in a dui car wreck, and is in jail
08:42 PM roycroft: another old girlfriend moved to germany and started a successful café
08:43 PM roycroft: and one of my good friends in the debate club became a successful attorney
08:43 PM Tom_L: go figure
08:43 PM roycroft: and another is a famous opera singer
08:43 PM roycroft: those are the only four people i know anything about post-high school
08:44 PM Tom_L: i tend to not look over my shoulder much
08:44 PM Tom_L: it's behind me
08:44 PM roycroft: i think looking back is ok for context
08:44 PM roycroft: but looking forward is the way to live one's life
08:44 PM xxcoder: only had one friend for long time. he died in 2022
08:45 PM roycroft: my best friend in hs drowned right after graduation
08:45 PM roycroft: i still miss him
08:45 PM xxcoder: yeah some people you remember for long time
08:45 PM roycroft: but it's likely we'd have fallen out of touch
08:45 PM bjorkintosh: by the '70s, there were quite a few CAD options.
08:45 PM Tom_L: one classmate OD'd a couple years out
08:45 PM roycroft: he went to berklee, and would have been a great musician
08:45 PM bjorkintosh: especially Unisurf, by non other than Pierre Bezier himself.
08:46 PM roycroft: he wrote a symphony that was performed in my home town after he passed
08:46 PM xxcoder: if theres such thing as afterlife, I hope friend of mine is in peace. he had a hard life, expecially last 10 years
08:46 PM roycroft: i moved to the west coast
08:47 PM roycroft: i should look up my old high school mates, just to be sure i'm outliving them :)
08:47 PM Tom_L: you're still with us aside from how hard you've tried not to be
08:48 PM roycroft: it seems i've been trying to leave the building lately
08:48 PM roycroft: but honestly, i've not been trying
08:49 PM roycroft: i think this evening i'll make time to try to figure out the affinity designer shapemaker tool
08:50 PM roycroft: i'm really tired of not being able to cut parts out without a huge hassle
08:50 PM Tom_L: all i've ever really dealt with much were dxf and iges
08:50 PM roycroft: i spend like an order of magnitude more time figuring out how to get them on the shaper origin than it takes both to make the drawing itself and cut the part
08:50 PM Tom_L: i've converted a few files for others
08:51 PM roycroft: i hope that generating gcode doesn't go this badly for me when it's time to start making parts on the mini-router
08:51 PM roycroft: i don't think it will
08:52 PM Tom_L: i'm fortunate enough to have cad cam with a linuxcnc and grbl post
08:52 PM Tom_L: which i wrote both of
08:52 PM roycroft: but io have a laser cutter/engraver, vinyl cutter, 3d printer, and shaper origin
08:52 PM roycroft: and i need stl or svg to talk to them
08:52 PM roycroft: not gcode
08:53 PM Tom_L: this is mostly a gcode crowd
08:53 PM roycroft: yeah
08:53 PM roycroft: and i'm hoping to be a mostly gcode person
08:53 PM roycroft: eventually it would be nice to replace the controller in all those devices with one that runs linuxcnc
08:53 PM Tom_L: sw stl export isn't terrible
08:53 PM roycroft: right - that's been working ok for me
08:54 PM Tom_L: it supports alot more export options than catia
08:54 PM roycroft: the first three of the abovementioned devices work ok - i have work flows for them that are not too onerous
08:54 PM roycroft: it's just the damn shaper origin that gives me grief
08:55 PM Tom_L: it seems to be in a leauge of it's own
08:55 PM roycroft: and their shaper studio product which everyone pushes so hard is such utter crap that i can't even think about using it
08:55 PM Tom_L: taking the back roads to achieve what we do rather easily
08:55 PM roycroft: even if i decided that cloud-based software was ok for that application
08:56 PM roycroft: the irony is that they design it to be overly simplistic so that non-techie people can use it
08:56 PM roycroft: but that makes it impossible for techie people to use
08:56 PM Tom_L: that's why not techie ppl love it
08:56 PM Tom_L: non
08:56 PM roycroft: yes
08:57 PM roycroft: and that's why a standard feature that's been around for 70ish years is consider a revolutionary game-changer when it's introduced there
08:58 PM roycroft: and i don't even know if they have chamfers yet
08:58 PM roycroft: they may still be animals
08:58 PM Tom_L: just file it
08:59 PM * roycroft decides to make dinner and shut down the shop for the day
08:59 PM * Tom_L calls it a day
09:26 PM roycroft: there is good news in the universe for once
09:26 PM roycroft: mel brooks just announced that spaceballs 2 will be released in 2027
09:26 PM xxcoder: yeah saw it
09:26 PM xxcoder: its funny because merely last month I had added spaceballs random image to trmnl plugins
09:27 PM roycroft: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewKuhclROA0
09:30 PM roycroft: mel will be 101 when it is released
09:30 PM roycroft: he'll turn 99 this month
09:30 PM xxcoder: few people will be back as their charactors.
09:30 PM xxcoder: so i guess some future date from last movie?
09:30 PM roycroft: few of them are probably still alive :)
09:31 PM xxcoder: yeah. but sadly not super funny john candy
09:32 PM xxcoder: big helmet and lone starr is returning
09:32 PM xxcoder: not sure about other
09:45 PM roycroft: it's something to look forward to in otherwise very troubled times