#linuxcnc Logs
May 26 2025
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:57 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> good morning
01:11 AM Deejay: moin
01:13 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> what language ?
01:14 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> in python: h.newpin("button.0", hal.HAL_BIT, hal.HAL_OUT)
01:15 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> c: if (retval = hal_pin_bit_newf(HAL_IN, &(data->sys_enable_request), comp_id, "%s.sys-enable-request", prefix) != 0) error_handler(retval);
01:42 AM lcnc-relay: <z3rni3@> I'm writing in c
01:45 AM lcnc-relay: <z3rni3@> component test1;
01:45 AM lcnc-relay: license "GPL";
01:45 AM lcnc-relay: pin in float Position_input;
01:45 AM lcnc-relay: pin in bit Trigger_input;
01:45 AM lcnc-relay: ... long message truncated: https://jauriarts.org/_heisenbridge/media/jauriarts.org/NilvWTvDSFNHOqiwqmVBaGzz/0igs_HuJi6Y (18 lines)
01:53 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> typo ?: variable int Triggerlast = 0; -> Trigger_last
01:58 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> z3rni3@: have you try this: variable bool Trigger_last = 0;
01:59 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> i do not really know this comp syntax code
02:00 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> $ halcompile --compile /tmp/test1.comp
02:00 AM lcnc-relay: Compiling realtime test1.c
02:00 AM lcnc-relay: Linking test1.so
02:06 AM lcnc-relay: <z3rni3@> Okay... How do you write functions then? 🤔
02:06 AM lcnc-relay: This was the way that made most sence to me! Just create a <filename>.comp file, adapt the code style from the and2.comp from the GitHub and install it.
02:06 AM lcnc-relay: I have a different - very easy - function working no problem.
02:09 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> i have only one component in c and this is pure c, no .comp code, all my other components are in python
02:10 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> yes, the .comp code is better suited for simple things
02:12 AM lcnc-relay: <z3rni3@> Alright! Thanks for the input!
02:13 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> does your code work now?
02:14 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> hal 'bit' is in c 'bool'
03:57 AM lcnc-relay: <z3rni3@> Okay... I've figured something out. My programm doesn't like a mix from floats and bits...
03:57 AM lcnc-relay: I just went ant copied the and2 code, which he the accepted and installed.
03:57 AM lcnc-relay: When switching on input to float and adjusting the code. It didn't install anymore. I'll try around a little more!
03:58 AM lcnc-relay: <z3rni3@> Is there maybe a trick for that?
04:47 AM lcnc-relay: <z3rni3@> I figured it out! Everything works as intended! 😁
05:35 AM Tom_L: morning
06:37 AM lcnc-relay: <travis_farmer@> Morning
09:32 AM roycroft: hi folks
09:32 AM * roycroft is enjoying a nice holiday
09:55 AM lcnc-relay: <travis_farmer@> every day is a holiday for me 😦
10:14 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> wow - found an overhaul kit for the starter
10:14 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> exact model. (it needs brushes and seal for the solenoid for sure)
10:15 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> the commutator need to be cleaned. probably why it wasn't turning consistant.
10:41 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> needs to be turned
12:36 PM Tom_L: how can you run sudo in a script without a password prompt?
12:40 PM Tom_L: naw there's other ways
12:40 PM xxcoder: sudo bash
12:40 PM Tom_L: i just forgot what they were
12:41 PM xxcoder: think theres way to input password inside script but its very insecure
12:41 PM Tom_L: i could edit the visudo file but i think there's a simpler way
12:41 PM Tom_L: for one time use etc
12:47 PM Scopeuk: the "proper" way would be to modify the sudoers file to allow the executing user to run that command as sudo without password. if your doing it once just take the hit put sudo in the script and enter the password. if it's regular then modifying sudoers is the way to go
12:47 PM Tom_L: yeah i thought there was a command line switch for a one time use
12:57 PM roycroft: you can either put the user who is running the script in the suders file to run any command, or best you can allow the user running the script to run just that script in sudoers
12:59 PM roycroft: if you just want to run a script as another use from the command line, and the user running the script has sudo privileges, sudo -u user command
12:59 PM roycroft: whether or not that will require a password depends on how you've configured your sudoers ile
12:59 PM roycroft: file
01:00 PM roycroft: for example
01:00 PM roycroft: %sudogroup ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL
01:00 PM roycroft: that allows anyone in the sudogroup group to run any command, and requires a password
01:01 PM roycroft: %sudogroup ALL=(ALL) SETENV: NOPASSWD ALL
01:01 PM roycroft: er
01:01 PM roycroft: %sudogroup ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: SETENV: ALL
01:01 PM Tom_L: i just edited the visudo file
01:02 PM roycroft: that allows members of the group to run any commands as root without requiring a password, and sets the environment to root's environment
01:02 PM roycroft: %sudogroup ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: SETENV: /usr/local/bin/scary.command
01:03 PM roycroft: that lets them run scary.command as root, but nothing else
01:03 PM Tom_L: i was just trying to run gdebi or dpkg -i without being prompted
01:03 PM * roycroft has to decide whether to go to town or not right away
01:04 PM roycroft: my back is saying maybe, but better not
01:04 PM Tom_L: i build flex so often locally i was just trying to simplify the build process
01:04 PM roycroft: i might go for better not
01:04 PM Tom_L: i have one to update my git already
01:04 PM Tom_L: but dpkg etc requires sudo
01:04 PM roycroft: i'm not a fan of sudo without a password generally, but on a single user machine that is well-protected and is used primarily for development i think it's ok
01:04 PM roycroft: it's better than logging in as root
01:05 PM roycroft: which is the common alternative
01:05 PM Tom_L: yep
01:05 PM Tom_L: i just don't want to forget how i did it and know i will
01:05 PM Tom_L: that's why i was hoping i could just add a switch to the cmd line in the script
01:05 PM roycroft: put comments in your sudoers file and make a git repository for your sudoers file
01:06 PM Tom_L: meh, i'll just google it when i forget :)
01:06 PM roycroft: then whenever you build a new machine, retrieve the sudoers file from your repository and read the comments
01:06 PM Tom_L: that would be too easy
01:07 PM roycroft: i just redid the fan vent cutout in acad
01:07 PM roycroft: i'm thinking i'll figure out how to get that converted to svg so i can load it on the shaper origin, and do a test cutout this afternoon
01:07 PM roycroft: and i can spend a couple hours at the storage unit organizing things and making room for my grinders
01:07 PM Tom_L: sw is pretty good about translating files
01:08 PM Tom_L: better than some i've tried
01:08 PM roycroft: all that is a lot less work than going to town and loading the pickup, so my back would like that plan
01:08 PM roycroft: yeah, iirc i've done that in the past
01:08 PM Tom_L: it misses some endpoints sometimes but it's even better than catia about file formats
01:09 PM roycroft: design in acad, export to dfx, import the dfx into sw, export to svg
01:09 PM Tom_L: and hope the meshes mesh
01:09 PM roycroft: i have to remember to scale this drawing down by a factor of 25.4 first
01:09 PM roycroft: otherwise it's going to think i have some wicked big fans
01:09 PM Tom_L: heh i've run into that a few times helping others' projects
01:10 PM roycroft: most of my software is fine, because i tell it what units in want and it understands
01:10 PM roycroft: but acad is unitless
01:10 PM roycroft: and i find it easier to do drawings in the native units, then translate
01:10 PM roycroft: in this case i have 80mm fans, so i'm doing the drawings in metric
01:11 PM Tom_L: most will let you specify in or mm on the dimension
01:11 PM roycroft: yes
01:11 PM roycroft: but but in autocad that's just a label
01:11 PM Tom_L: i know catia doesn't care
01:12 PM roycroft: sw really pays attention to units, though, and does mixed-unit math
01:12 PM roycroft: it's one the features i really love about it
01:12 PM Tom_L: comes from the same company
01:12 PM roycroft: i can dimension a line at 17in+13/16"-2.5mm and it will know what to do
01:13 PM roycroft: and i do that kind of stuff all the time, as i use mixed-dimension parts in the same project all the time
01:13 PM Tom_L: i wouldn't recomend that for your own sanity
01:13 PM roycroft: it's a lot easier than converting it all to thousandths and then adding it up
01:14 PM roycroft: sw will convert the dimension to thousandths or whatever i tell it, but i can enter the raw numbers in mixed-dimension mode
01:15 PM * roycroft remembers that he has one more feature to add to the cutout, and needs to take a measurement first
01:17 PM roycroft: oh, except these 80mm fans really measure 92mm
01:17 PM roycroft: i guess i get to do the drawing one more time - third time's a charm
01:17 PM roycroft: i really should have measured them up front instead of believing what they claim to be
01:18 PM roycroft: the model number of the fans is hs9238a
01:18 PM roycroft: and guess what
01:18 PM roycroft: they're 92mm wide and 38mm thick
01:18 PM roycroft: but they were advertised as 80mm wide
01:19 PM Tom_L: is the bolt pattern 80mm?
01:19 PM roycroft: 82mm
01:19 PM roycroft: i just checked
01:19 PM roycroft: that's the measurement i thought i needed for the final feature
01:20 PM roycroft: then i noticed that the bolt pattern was wider than the part
01:20 PM roycroft: and that did not make sense
01:20 PM Tom_L: measure 2x cut 1x
01:20 PM roycroft: oh well, i have this design down to a science
01:20 PM roycroft: it took me over an hour to draw it the first time
01:20 PM roycroft: <15 minutes the second time
01:21 PM roycroft: and if i keep the mesh width the same with the new one, it will have even greater airflow
01:34 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> https://photos.app.goo.gl/4Q28QQYu82etgNM1A
01:35 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> https://photos.app.goo.gl/s7yJvLbc99EBXGN27
01:35 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> was going to carve them out with a cut hack saw...
01:36 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> then remembered I had a lathe - and it was in the lathe
01:52 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
02:34 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> nice commutator
02:42 PM roycroft: hmm
02:42 PM roycroft: i just started up firefox on my imac and the load average went up from 4 to 211
02:42 PM roycroft: i do not think i am impressed
02:55 PM roycroft: there's a workflow to open dfx files in affinity designer and save as svg optimize for the shaper orign
02:56 PM roycroft: i just did that, so i'll head to the shop and see if it resembles what i expect
04:33 PM roycroft: well bummer
04:34 PM roycroft: the image is spot on in size, and the shaper origin sees everything, but it sees individual lines, not objects, so i can't do the cuts unless i cut each line on line
04:34 PM roycroft: i'll have to figure out how to regroup the stuff so there are closed shapes, as there were in autocad
04:36 PM Tom_L: that's what i like about my older iges translator vs the new one
04:36 PM Tom_L: the new one makes everything a polyline where the old one did line and arcs where possible
04:37 PM roycroft: i have 42 objects that should be closed line shapes to cut out
04:37 PM Tom_L: were they lines going into sw?
04:37 PM roycroft: i did not use sw
04:38 PM roycroft: i went acad export to dfx, and then dfx import into affinity designer, and export from affinity designer to svg with a profile that the shaper origin likes
04:38 PM roycroft: i've had trouble with sw svgs and the origin before and the shaper community really like using ad for the svg conversion
04:38 PM roycroft: this may be my fault though
04:39 PM roycroft: i had to explode the shapes in acad to add the fillets
04:39 PM Tom_L: mmm
04:39 PM roycroft: i'm thinking that i need to regroup them before doing the polar arryas
04:39 PM roycroft: this is what is nice about holiays
04:39 PM roycroft: holidays
04:40 PM roycroft: lots of time to work on little problems and get them resolved once and for all
04:40 PM roycroft: assuming one takes notes :)
04:42 PM roycroft: yeah, they are still individual lines in acad
04:42 PM roycroft: i'll try to back off to where i created the set of shapes, before cloning them in a polar array, and rejoining them before doing the array
04:49 PM roycroft: well acad is being retarded
04:49 PM roycroft: i am creating three shapes
04:50 PM roycroft: i've regrouped the lines and have three shapes
04:50 PM roycroft: but when i make a polar array of them the entire array becomes a single shape
04:50 PM roycroft: what i want to do is rotate the three shapes around to make the array, keeping the shapes distinct
04:50 PM roycroft: but maybe the shaper origin will work with what i just did
04:51 PM * roycroft does the export/import/convert dance again
04:57 PM roycroft: grr - i regrouped them and verified that they were grouped, but they imported into ad as individual lines again
04:58 PM roycroft: so now i guess i have to figure out how to group them in ad, since the dxf doesn't seem to retain that, or the import process ignores it
04:59 PM roycroft: a lot of the shaper crowd like to do their designs directly in illustrator or affinity designer, but neither of those are cad software, and i don't know how one can do cad work with non-cad software
04:59 PM Tom_L: will shaper do an array if you import a single copy?
05:04 PM roycroft: not easily
05:04 PM roycroft: but i think i just found a way to do this with ad
05:04 PM roycroft: i'm going to head out and see what the origin thinks about my new svg
05:04 PM roycroft: btw, shaper launched their new product today
05:04 PM xxcoder: was it robot arms?
05:05 PM roycroft: it's interesting, but i'm not planning on getting it
05:05 PM roycroft: pretty much
05:05 PM roycroft: it's a motor drive system that clamps on to the origin
05:05 PM roycroft: it has a pretty crude belt-driven motor that moves the origin around hands-free
05:05 PM roycroft: and uses the origin's auto-correct feature to do the precision part
05:05 PM roycroft: neat idea, actually, but it's $1400
05:06 PM xxcoder: interesting but yeah
05:06 PM roycroft: for that price, plus the $2800 for the origin, a person could get a decent real cnc router
05:06 PM roycroft: there's a video about it on teh youtube now
05:07 PM roycroft: file copied on the usb stick
05:07 PM roycroft: i'm back to the shop
05:07 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> so - similar to the single arm plasma tables?
05:09 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> oh - just a x/y platform
05:09 PM xxcoder: nah it looks like almost like cnc router table maker style, but with shaper orgin as "spindle"
05:09 PM xxcoder: yeah
05:09 PM xxcoder: not really what I envisioned with joke, but yeah
05:10 PM xxcoder: I pictured 2 robot arms attached to handles and it moving around
05:10 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I figured it would be like this
05:10 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugoyDmGJ2OI
05:25 PM Unterhaus_ is now known as unterhausen
05:25 PM unterhausen: google's new ai seems a lot more hostile
05:27 PM JT-Shop: I am exhausted
05:43 PM xxcoder: skunk yeah thats quite cool. very compact too. saw similiar on aging wheels video
05:43 PM xxcoder: jt rest up!
05:44 PM JT-Shop: https://gnipsel.com/images/wildfire-lift/
05:44 PM JT-Shop: been a busy day
05:44 PM xxcoder: thats big indeed
05:45 PM JT-Shop: 2,300 pounds so heavy as well
05:51 PM JT-Shop: I have to improvise adapt and overcome as I have to assemble it by myself
06:01 PM roycroft: https://roycroft.us/FanCutouts.jpeg
06:01 PM roycroft: forgive the fuzzies, of course - it's a prototype
06:02 PM roycroft: i'm about 80% happy with the design, and almsot 100% happy with the execution
06:02 PM xxcoder: thats cool
06:02 PM roycroft: and the size is spot on
06:02 PM roycroft: within a fraction of a mm
06:02 PM xxcoder: shaper?
06:02 PM roycroft: yes
06:02 PM roycroft: took me about a half hour to do the cutting
06:03 PM roycroft: less time than it took to convert the dwg to svg :)
06:03 PM roycroft: and stupid autocad would not let me set a scale factor of 1/25.4
06:04 PM roycroft: i had to set the scale factor to 0.03937007874015748
06:04 PM xxcoder: thats slightly less precise. odd that it dont allow fractions. or maybe its combo of friction and decimals?
06:04 PM roycroft: i get the advantage of a unitless system
06:05 PM roycroft: and i'm actually pretty happy that autocad is unitless
06:05 PM roycroft: but after almost 50 years one would think they would include some scaling aids for folks that need to deal with real world units in the end, and translate between them
06:05 PM roycroft: it allows fractions in some places
06:05 PM roycroft: but not in the scale function
06:06 PM roycroft: and that scale factor is precise enough
06:06 PM roycroft: i promise it gets me within 0.001" after the conversion
06:06 PM roycroft: which is good enough for most metal parts
06:06 PM xxcoder: yeah thats plenty of digits
06:07 PM xxcoder: sigificant digits
06:07 PM roycroft: i'm actually sure it gets me within 0.0001" after the conversion, which is good enough for almost all precision metal parts
06:07 PM roycroft: and i'm working with wood here :)
06:07 PM xxcoder: yep
06:07 PM roycroft: so those will be the cutouts for the cooling fans for the mini-router controller
06:08 PM roycroft: and i do want to tweak the design a bit more - i'm not completely happy with it - but i think it's good enough for a shop project
06:08 PM roycroft: that's not going to restrict airflow
06:09 PM roycroft: which is the important functional thing
06:09 PM roycroft: once the mini-router is fully functional i should make those cutouts again on it
06:09 PM roycroft: just to see how long it would take
06:10 PM roycroft: actually, i can probably import it into cut2d and have it calculate that for me without actually having to make the part
06:11 PM roycroft: of course, if it's on an automated cnc machine, the only bit of my time invested is in setup and removal
06:11 PM roycroft: i get to walk away while the job is running
06:11 PM roycroft: but since it took me longer to make the file than to run the job manually, for one-off things the shaper origin will still make sense, i think
06:12 PM roycroft: for a sense of scale, the diameter of the outer invisible circle is about 80mm, and the web matrix lines are 2.5mm thick
06:13 PM roycroft: or wide, depending on how you look at it
06:18 PM xxcoder: thats cool. cant wait to see it in use]
06:19 PM roycroft: yeah, it will be nice to have a working cnc router powered by linuxcnc
06:20 PM roycroft: even if it's tiny :)
06:20 PM xxcoder: I meant that fan pattern cover but yeah that too lol
06:21 PM roycroft: i might tweak the cutout design a bit before i make the actual cutouts on the case
06:21 PM roycroft: but it will be mostly like what you see in the picture
06:22 PM roycroft: and i think if i put some black window screen on the inside of the cutout that will make it look even better
06:22 PM xxcoder: yeah. it'd look kinda like stained pattern, or mirror with overlay
06:22 PM roycroft: yup
06:22 PM roycroft: and the piece of wood that the prototype is sitting on is one of the actually sides of the control panel
06:23 PM roycroft: undyed of course, but that's what it's going to get cut into
06:28 PM roycroft: i should get back to finding some suitable neon indicators for that project this evening
06:28 PM roycroft: i'm thinking i'll add power state indicators to the controller cabinet, and maybe get a machine state light tower indicator for mounting on the gantry
06:29 PM roycroft: i thin the 7196s has enough output pins for everything i might want to do
06:30 PM roycroft: i not i can get a cheap relay hat for the rpi
06:30 PM xxcoder: lights tower is nice to have
06:30 PM xxcoder: the red, yellow and green
06:30 PM roycroft: at least
06:30 PM roycroft: for any cnc machine i have i think there should be a light tower, since the machine will be doing unattended work
06:31 PM roycroft: that said, i don't have a light tower for my laser cutter/etcher or my 3d printer
06:32 PM roycroft: maybe i should amend my statement to say that any cnc machine with a spindle should have a light tower
06:32 PM roycroft: and if i ever get a big co2 laser machine maybe that should have a light tower as well
06:32 PM xxcoder: laser could use basic light for running/not running but yeaah
06:32 PM xxcoder: 3d printer eh
06:33 PM roycroft: in fact it almost certainly should, as a powerful laser machine can put your eye out at a considerable distance
06:33 PM roycroft: whereas with a cnc spindle machine you usually have to get pretty close to let it kill you
06:34 PM roycroft: but 3d printers
06:34 PM roycroft: light tower meh
06:39 PM rdtsc: unterhausen, one of the recent AIs (forget which one) got in trouble for congratulating someone when they said they weaned themselves off their schizophrenia meds
06:41 PM unterhausen: I tried searching for something I remembered, and it said, "it sounds like you're alleging a problem, but there is no evidence to supposrt that"
06:44 PM unterhausen: I did the same search again just now and it was much more reasonable sounding
06:54 PM unreal: I'm wondering which set of rope lights I should setup in the back yard when I move in.
06:54 PM unreal: I have 24v and 110vac rope lighting
06:54 PM roycroft: 24v
06:54 PM unreal: Though I forget if its LED or inconstant based
06:54 PM roycroft: the low voltage will be safer in the outdoor environment
06:55 PM unreal: they are clear poly sealed rope lighting
06:55 PM unreal: doesnt matter. both from the same MFG
06:55 PM unreal: I also forget what I have more footage of.
06:56 PM unreal: would be cool to put it all the way around the backyard. but then again as I was talking about building an outdoor kitchen with Tiki hut setup
06:56 PM unreal: could be cool to do accent lighting on that as well.
06:56 PM unreal: so..
07:14 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> lol - after taking around .030 off the commutator - the brushes are certainly not long enough..
07:17 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> time to wait for the rebuild kit
08:01 PM rdtsc: sounds like she's pretty worn
08:03 PM rdtsc: have a dewalt 1.5HP router (unversal AC motor) and found just one of the brush holders was rotated about 8 degrees... must've been a factory goof... no idea what affect that would have on operation, so rotated it back straight. runs the same.
08:34 PM * roycroft is still trying to figure out what to do with his old compressor motor, and cannot think of anything other than disposing of it
08:34 PM xxcoder: gokart?
08:34 PM roycroft: a rebuild would be pretty challenging
08:34 PM roycroft: the shaft sheared off at the motor housing
08:34 PM roycroft: so while the motor is still in perfect shape, it's unable to transfer energy to anything
08:37 PM roycroft: maybe i should jb weld the shaft end back on
08:38 PM xxcoder: that would be plenty for high rpm low torque
08:38 PM xxcoder: do it even have any room for installing coupler?
08:38 PM roycroft: no, it sheared off right at the end of the motor housing
08:39 PM xxcoder: I still remember my earlier idea of simply spinning it, then using it as "lathe" to bore hole inside the shaft, then tap it
08:39 PM roycroft: my current thought is that since i made a deal with a scrapper to clean up my old property in exchange for a trailer, i'll just add that old motor to the pile on the old property
08:39 PM xxcoder: so you can bolt whatever to it
08:40 PM roycroft: after all, the motor was originally located on the old property
08:40 PM roycroft: so it's not like i'm bringing in outside objects
08:40 PM roycroft: the new motor is working fine
08:41 PM roycroft: and it has a 7/8" shaft, and is probably less likely to shear off like the shaft on the old one did
08:41 PM roycroft: the old one had a 5/8" shaft
08:41 PM xxcoder: nice
08:41 PM roycroft: but it worked fine for 15-20 years - i forget when i got it
08:42 PM xxcoder: assuming no internal flaws, your new one would last longer
08:42 PM roycroft: the old one was a leeson, made in usa
08:42 PM roycroft: the new one is a something, made in china
08:43 PM roycroft: so i don't know
08:43 PM roycroft: but if it lasts 10 years that will be fine
08:43 PM xxcoder: hopefully it breaks in more repairable way too
08:43 PM roycroft: if it lasts 20 years it might outlast me
09:01 PM roycroft: so the new shaper 'benchpilot' product would have saved me zero time on today's project
09:01 PM roycroft: since it's just a way to move the origin automatically, and still uses svg files, selecting the cut path still has to be done manually
09:02 PM roycroft: every cutout that i did on that fan plate is a separate cut path, so i'd have to stand there, select a path, let it cut it, select the next path, let it cut it, etc.
09:02 PM xxcoder: yeah. I uppose the bonus is unattended, for very complex ones but otherwise meh
09:02 PM roycroft: i am sure i could do it just as fast manually as letting it do part of the work
09:03 PM roycroft: i'm not bad mouthing the product
09:03 PM roycroft: it's just not as useful as one might initially think
09:03 PM roycroft: of course the shaper fanbois are seriously creaming their jeans over it
09:04 PM roycroft: but that lot do things with the shaper origin that could be done much faster with other common shop tools
09:04 PM xxcoder: theres always fans
09:04 PM roycroft: as an old air-cooled vw person, i get how the journey is as important as the destination
09:05 PM roycroft: i guess that for me though, using the wrong tool for the job, even if it's a fun tool, makes the journey more frustrating than using the better suited, but perhaps more boring tool
09:43 PM Tom_L: maybe the fanbois don't know what cncs are
09:43 PM xxcoder: maybe
10:18 PM roycroft: some of the forum discussion is that this new shaper "assist" product brings the power of cnc to people who don't know about cnc and don't want to learn about it
10:19 PM xxcoder: cnc without cnc work I guess like cad cam
10:20 PM roycroft: it's kind of like the folks who buy turnkey 3d printers and dowload files from thingiverse to print
10:20 PM roycroft: and there's nothing wrong with that demographic
10:20 PM roycroft: if it brings them joy, then more power to them
10:20 PM roycroft: i actually know someone like that
10:21 PM roycroft: he bought a 3d printer and prints action figures that he downloads with it
10:21 PM roycroft: then paints them
10:21 PM roycroft: the hobby is the action figures, not the 3d printing
10:25 PM xxcoder: yeah. theres people who hobby is 3d printers, but im not one of em
10:26 PM roycroft: nor me
10:26 PM roycroft: it's just a tool
10:27 PM roycroft: but i can't download everything in need to print from thingiverse or anywhere else
10:27 PM unreal: what are you trying to make
10:28 PM roycroft: nothing in particular right now
10:28 PM unreal: I download almost nothing, i've generally generated everything
10:28 PM roycroft: we're discussing the new shaper product
10:28 PM roycroft: i made a prototype fan vent today, though, with my shaper origin
10:28 PM unreal: dont know anything about it
10:28 PM unreal: oh one of those semi cnc routers
10:29 PM roycroft: roycroft.us/FanCutouts.jpeg
10:29 PM unreal: That would take me 5-10min to create in cad
10:30 PM roycroft: it took me over an hour for the first design, because i was figuring out what i wanted
10:30 PM roycroft: the second go took about 15 minutes to design
10:30 PM roycroft: and a bit under a half hour to machine
10:31 PM roycroft: i still want to tweak the design a little bit before i cut the actual part
10:31 PM unreal: one of the things I want to be working on but cant do shit is the upgrade design for my laser etcher
10:31 PM unreal: I have a 40watt laser head upgrade
10:31 PM unreal: but I need to redo a nuber of parts
10:32 PM unreal: and plan to get rid of the wheels in favor of standard rails
10:32 PM unreal: mainly because I need to rigidize a lot of parts
10:34 PM unreal: current machine works ok as a printer type left right any direction really. But any sudden direction changes and you get oscillation ring down on rapid direction change or speed changes
10:34 PM unreal: 40 watts will be very interesting
10:42 PM roycroft: i think taking the day off from moving was the right thing to do
10:42 PM roycroft: my back is still a little sore but much better than when i woke up this morning
10:43 PM roycroft: i'm so close to being done that i want to push and get done, but i also want to make sure i don't hurt myself again and have to wait months to finish
10:43 PM roycroft: slow and steady seems the prudent course of action
10:49 PM unreal: I could not have moved out of the house with out the help I got from a former neighbor.
10:52 PM roycroft: yesterday i did reach a milestone - it was the last moving trip where i needed a helper
10:53 PM roycroft: the few things remaining i can move by myself
10:53 PM roycroft: there is one grinder that's a little heavy, but if i take it off the stand i should be able to handle it easily
10:54 PM roycroft: i'm still on a lifting restriction until the bones heal, but it's been 2 months, so they're pretty healed now
10:55 PM roycroft: i unloaded my 8" vise today, but i had completely disassembled it so it moved in pieces
10:56 PM unreal: moving into the new house will be very easy
10:56 PM unreal: most things are already packed
10:57 PM unreal: one storage unit, half of the stuff is just large stuff. The other unit most of the stuff is in boxes and storage totes
10:59 PM roycroft: my brewing gear fills about 1/2 of one of the storage containers, and i really need to focus on selling that stuff this summer
11:00 PM roycroft: the other container has some machines - mini-mill, scroll saw, moritiser, my small band saw, and a lot of shop tools and materials
11:01 PM roycroft: once i get the new roof on the shop much of that can move out
11:01 PM roycroft: the goal is to consolidate into one container this summer
11:01 PM roycroft: and i'll probably keep that container indefinitely, for storing materials and inventory
11:03 PM roycroft: it gets really humid here in the winter, but i had no problems with condensation on things in the containers
11:03 PM roycroft: the machines have no rust
11:04 PM roycroft: but i don't want to pay for two containers indefinitely
11:04 PM xxcoder: you could use solar panel on top to run small dehumidifier
11:04 PM roycroft: they are rental containers in a storage facility
11:04 PM roycroft: i can't really do that
11:04 PM xxcoder: peltier one isnt great, but for small space its great
11:04 PM xxcoder: ah was thinking you would buy one. used ones can be pretty cheap, depending on where
11:04 PM roycroft: i would buy one if i had the space on my property to put it
11:05 PM unreal: beer brewing?
11:05 PM roycroft: it's a small lot - less than half the size of the old place
11:05 PM roycroft: yes
11:05 PM roycroft: i used to brew a lot, won awards in comps, etc.
11:05 PM roycroft: i don't do that any more and i need to liquidate all the gear
11:05 PM roycroft: i'll keep enough to make mead and cider
11:05 PM roycroft: i just moved my cider press from the old place last week, in fact
11:06 PM roycroft: but my days of brewing beer are over
11:06 PM roycroft: i'd still like to do it, but the gear takes up too much space
11:06 PM roycroft: https://roycroft.us/BrewSystem/
11:06 PM roycroft: that's the brew stand i built
11:08 PM roycroft: the king is in canadia now
11:09 PM roycroft: and dear leader was ranting about the "51st state" again today
11:31 PM unreal: ya I've never gotten that fancy when brewing
11:32 PM unreal: though I've made plenty of beer, and mead
11:32 PM unreal: a little apple jack
11:32 PM unreal: welp midnight time to sign off got to work in the morning
11:32 PM unreal: and get home inursance setup for the closing on the house