#linuxcnc Logs
May 22 2025
#linuxcnc Calendar
01:00 AM Deejay: moin
04:46 AM Tom_L: morning
04:55 AM lcnc-relay: <Lcvette> morning
05:03 AM JT-Cave: morning
06:49 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> what features do you miss on your mesa card?
07:30 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> you can use it as a coffee warmer, just connect 24v to the 5v input
10:05 AM roycroft: hi folks
10:42 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> well - 8 dollars to get replacement plates here in wi.. Nice suprise
10:42 AM roycroft: iirc it's $102 here
10:54 AM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> skunkworks8841@: _slaps skunkworks_ make my ethercat setup work.
10:55 AM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> _runs_
11:06 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> Sorry - I have never played with ethercat
11:06 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> yet
11:07 AM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> need to get this machine going and im just lost.
11:27 AM rdtsc-w: meow?
11:29 AM rdtsc-w: let the research marathon begin: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=linuxcnc+ethercat
11:30 AM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> ...
11:42 AM roycroft: i was checking some image sites for ideas about vent openings in an electronics enclosure, and ran across a site called protocase.com
11:43 AM roycroft: they fabricate custom electronics enclosures, and provide free design software
11:43 AM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> i think ive seen that
11:43 AM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> they were not expensive if i remeber.
11:43 AM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> well, thats a relative term
11:44 AM roycroft: i thought that might be interesting, and installed it, but honestly i think it would be easier to sketch out a design on paper, scan it, and overlay the scan with one's cad software of choice than to try to design something with their code
11:44 AM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> ah
11:44 AM roycroft: i can't speak about their fabrication quality or pricing, but their software is just about the worst i've ever encountered
11:45 AM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> haha
11:45 AM roycroft: and i do not project that on their fabrication quality - it's entirely possible that they make top-notch enclosures
11:45 AM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> whats yer benchmark for good though? design software has a tendency to be pretty aweful except the major ones (fusion, sw, etc)
11:46 AM roycroft: well i use solidworks and autocad for most things
11:46 AM roycroft: so i guess the standard is above the median
11:46 AM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> ha
11:47 AM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> some of the stuff ive seen looks like 90s school projects selling for 10k.
11:47 AM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> its pretty sad
11:47 AM roycroft: i purchased cut2d a couple years ago for cnc router work, and will eventually upgrade that to aspire
11:48 AM roycroft: while a bit simplistic, that software is well-geared towards cnc routing
11:48 AM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> have not tried that one
11:48 AM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> most of my customers use vcarve and it makes me sad
11:48 AM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> haha
11:48 AM roycroft: it's made by vectric, out of the uk
11:48 AM roycroft: vcarve is their mid-grade product, between cut2d and aspire
11:49 AM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> i mean vcarve is great if you are vcarving... not so much if you are machining a complext 3d object
11:49 AM roycroft: correct
11:49 AM roycroft: it's not designed for that
11:49 AM roycroft: vcarve is 2.5d
11:49 AM roycroft: if you want 3d you get aspire
11:49 AM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> i tall them "get fusion, its free" and they say "i ssscared of learning new things"
11:49 AM roycroft: fusion is not free
11:50 AM roycroft: and i would not go near it
11:50 AM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> ive never paid for it. pretty free to me
11:50 AM roycroft: fusion has a no up front cost maker/hobbiest package
11:50 AM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> (well, not paid for home use, we have a paid work lic)
11:50 AM roycroft: but the terms of use are subect to change at any time
11:51 AM roycroft: i'm not saying it's a bad package
11:51 AM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> roycroft: sure, but if you dont pay you dont have muc to complain about
11:51 AM roycroft: but it's certainly not free
11:51 AM roycroft: i find a product where the license can be yanked out from underneath me at any time unusable
11:51 AM roycroft: if you pay for a fusion360 license that's one thing
11:51 AM roycroft: and i have no qualms about that
11:52 AM roycroft: i paid for my sw license and my acad license
11:52 AM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> these are people goofing around at home. they arent running business
11:52 AM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> (well one is)
11:52 AM roycroft: sw is espensive, and i've not seen anything that f360 does that would make it worth migrating from one expensive parametric modeling package to another
11:53 AM roycroft: but if i did not own sw i'd likely consider f360 as an option
11:53 AM roycroft: but not the so-called "free" version
11:53 AM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> fusion has cam... sw does not.
11:53 AM roycroft: sure it does
11:53 AM roycroft: solidcam is bundled with recent versions
11:53 AM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> sw has built in cam in the base price?
11:53 AM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> ah
11:53 AM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> ok
11:53 AM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> thats ne
11:53 AM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> w
11:53 AM roycroft: that has not always been the case
11:54 AM roycroft: i have sw 2018, and i have the bundled solidcam
11:54 AM roycroft: i don't use it enough to pay for annual maintenance/upgrades, and so far, 2018 does what i need to do
11:54 AM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> odd, my friend uses sw (latest) and got a haas and is using fusion for cam cause sw has now cam
11:54 AM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> no
11:56 AM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> https://www.vectric.com/products/aspire/
11:56 AM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> ah, so its an add in bundle and costs extra
11:56 AM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> Buy now $1,995 Equivalent to $83.13 /mo over 2 years
11:56 AM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> yeah nope
11:56 AM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> hah
11:56 AM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> and only 3-axis IIRC
11:57 AM roycroft: i think that for folks who do cnc routing (not milling/turning), aspire is a good product and a good value
11:57 AM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> for me 3 axis is fine. but ive got no reason to switch from fusion
11:57 AM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> (paid or otherwise)
11:57 AM roycroft: but the whole vectric line is geared towards woodworkers, not machinists
11:57 AM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> all the people i work with use fusion cam so its easy to share
11:57 AM roycroft: $2k is a fraction of the price of fusion360
11:58 AM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> https://www.vectric.com/compare/ see the differences
11:58 AM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> roycroft: fusion is 699 a year
11:58 AM roycroft: but you're not going to design/build a crankshaft with aspire
11:58 AM roycroft: it's not designed for that
11:58 AM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> so after 3 years with no upgrades, yes, they become the same
11:59 AM roycroft: you're comparing apples and pine needles
11:59 AM JT-Cave: automation direct just announced a price drop on enclosures
11:59 AM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> my plan is to write 5-axis open source CAM but get purchased before release so I can retire
11:59 AM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> JT-Cave: ooh, i like them. amazing service
12:00 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> captainhindsight_.@: ha
12:00 PM roycroft: my plan is to make big, beautiful parts
12:00 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> proper 5 axis is a who different ballgame.
12:01 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> my plan is to sell machines and put everyone else out of business cause mine are so much more betterer
12:01 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> no?
12:01 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> ok
12:02 PM roycroft: you're not going to do that, littleshopofrandom
12:02 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> I saw a 5-axis CAM app that has indexed 4-5 axis for a few $K
12:02 PM roycroft: a small manufacturer cannot compete at all on price, and cannot compete well on quality
12:02 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> roycroft: yes i aM! DONT RUIN MAH DREAMS!
12:02 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> hehe
12:02 PM roycroft: you have to find a niche market and build for that niche
12:02 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> i have a market. my real goal is about 5 machines a month
12:02 PM roycroft: that's the only way to succeed as a small-time operator
12:03 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> we'll see
12:03 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> NAY NAY NAY
12:04 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> IGNORE ME
12:04 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> its a nice machine
12:04 PM roycroft: and the maga market is not a good niche
12:04 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> it goes vroom
12:04 PM roycroft: that market has no money, and would not pay its bills if it did
12:04 PM roycroft: but it would love your american-made products
12:04 PM roycroft: so i would avoid that market
12:04 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> littleshopofrandom@ lots of buyers just want familiar or a brand
12:05 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> im not in the usa. the usa in not a primary customer
12:05 PM roycroft: lots of buyers just want convenience
12:05 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> significant, but not critical
12:05 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> roycroft: this is what everyone wants. but no one gets. cause... cnc
12:05 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> ha
12:05 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> well, sorta
12:05 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> sounds like you have "thinkers" as a market
12:05 PM roycroft: if they can go on a website and click on it, and it arrives a few days later, and functions at least somewhat when they plug it in, they are happy
12:06 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> roycroft: hmmm. yeah. guy i know is selling like 250 machines a months cause its easy, cheap, well spected relative to the comperition
12:06 PM roycroft: in today's economy if you can't sell your product in a tik-tok video you are doomed
12:07 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> my target is more specialised
12:07 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> who will pay your tariffs 🙂
12:07 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> and more money, but still "low cost" (tormach range)
12:07 PM roycroft: CHINA WILL
12:07 PM roycroft: (and democrats)
12:07 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> captainhindsight_.@: no tariffs here
12:07 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> nah they never even paid for that wall
12:07 PM roycroft: there was a interesting story on the cbc yesterday
12:08 PM roycroft: many goods in canada are going up in price
12:08 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> anyhow. keep focus here, on my world domination plans!
12:08 PM roycroft: not because of canadian tariffs, and not because they are imported from the us
12:08 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> littleshopofrandom@ sorry just havin fun
12:08 PM roycroft: but because they are going up in the us due to the tariffs there
12:08 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> world domination via CNC?
12:08 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> yeah, if price go up in usa they often just keep the same price up here. which sucks
12:09 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> captainhindsight_.@: yessss1
12:09 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> i will mill the world
12:09 PM roycroft: some foreign manufacturers are lowering their prices slightly to their us distributors to partially offset the tariffs, and making up for that by increasing their prices to distributors in other countries
12:10 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> xin dian has dropped theior prices a bit to easy the tariffs for usa customers. which makes them cheaper for me here. yay. (
12:10 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> need 2 more vises
12:10 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> hehe
12:10 PM roycroft: i'm by no stretch of the imagination a globalist (nor an isolationist), but i understand that we live in a global economy, and that there are almost always externalities when trade policies are adjusted
12:12 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> so far the worst thing ive seen here for prices is not related to tariffs. its related to frost. mah orange juice is now like $10/l!
12:13 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> this is my machine in case you have not seen it on the forum. https://youtu.be/U2TluXdCUwY its a special child. 😛
12:14 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> just need my new servos to wowk now and then it will actually go fast
12:16 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> a 3-axis aluminum gantry router?
12:16 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> basically
12:17 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmcPH-qllRc
12:17 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> but a very... peppy.. one
12:18 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> feeds and speeds
12:18 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> thats right on the video
12:19 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> with the new serovs its 30m/m rapid, 1g accel
12:19 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> 40k spindle
12:20 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> well good luck
12:20 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> precision on the prototype is medium. about 0.0005" all over. good enough. the final version will be more precise, stiffer, heavier
12:20 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> all for the low price of 19.99!
12:20 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> um
12:20 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> maybe not
12:20 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> rubles ?
12:21 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> gold bars
12:21 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> price is all messed up now actually, so i dont even know
12:21 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> yeah, it's fun isnit
12:22 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> originally it was supposed to be 5k usd for the frame. now... who knows.
12:23 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> what is the travel XYZ?
12:23 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> 250x250x125 on the final. this one is 280x305x110
12:25 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> if it was 5-axis you could get into the dental market
12:25 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> nah. those are more about the software i think
12:25 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> it will get a 4th axis option.
12:25 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> but theres no clearance for 5th
12:26 PM rdtsc-w: v2.0
12:26 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> this is v2.0
12:26 PM rdtsc-w: v3.0 :)
12:27 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> v5.0 is 5 axis.
12:27 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> 😛
12:27 PM roycroft: a centurylink field engineer is on his way up here
12:27 PM roycroft: i guess now that i got their attention they are being attentive :)
12:30 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> littleshopofrandom@ pre-covid i was working on a 3-axis epoxy granite air bearing kit with linear servos
12:30 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> fun
12:30 PM rdtsc-w: linear... yuck... proprietary to the moon
12:31 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> most would not be able to assemble it
12:31 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> O_o
12:32 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> if you need linear, proprietary doesnt matter.
12:34 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> proprietary what?
12:34 PM rdtsc-w: once got three tiny yaskawa drives in for repair, which is pretty common, except these were linear-only models. we have linear motors, but those require a special encoder converter, so could not be ran
12:35 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> most automation vendors don't want you to be able to fix it or operate it yourself
12:35 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> unless you pay for training
12:36 PM rdtsc-w: hard to keep paying out for additional expenses, when no more is coming in
12:38 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> did you rip out the old encoders and replace along with new low cost drives?
12:39 PM rdtsc-w: I'd like to, but that was customer's equip. Best we could do is offer drive replacements.
12:51 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> what is the URL to JT's shop?
12:51 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> shop/MESA store
12:53 PM rdtsc-w: isn't it https://mesa.us ? seems borked
12:53 PM Tom_L: mesaus.com
12:54 PM roycroft: mesaus.com is correct
12:54 PM Unterhausen: machinekit mailing list got hit by spammers again
12:54 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> just a blank page for me
12:54 PM rdtsc-w: whomever owns mesa.us, they need to point elsewhere lol
12:55 PM roycroft: mesaus.com works fine for me
12:55 PM rdtsc-w: chs, try clear cache/cookies... working here
12:55 PM roycroft: mesa.us is in arizona, so it doesn't matter :)
12:56 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> mesaus.com work
12:56 PM Tom_L: mesanet.com is peter's
12:56 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> +s
12:56 PM Tom_L: more specifically store.mesanet.com
12:57 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> thanks, been a while
12:57 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> i didnt even know there was a different store than just buying direct from peter
01:00 PM rdtsc-w: JT is just that helpful :)
01:00 PM xxcoder: yeah I'd rather buy from jt than any other mesa dealer. not that im ever been a customer
01:00 PM Tom_L: since you didn't know that, jt also has a mesa config tool mesact
01:00 PM roycroft: jt is the only north american dealer of which i am aware
01:00 PM roycroft: but even if there were others, i'd still buy from jt
01:01 PM roycroft: he's a good guy and has contributed a lot to the linuxcnc community
01:01 PM Tom_L: https://www.gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/mesact/index.html
01:01 PM * roycroft does buy from jt, actually, and just recently received a shipment from him
01:01 PM xxcoder: review from customers is always better
01:02 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> xxcoder: but why not buy from peter? im confused
01:02 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> why a middleman?
01:02 PM xxcoder: I know jt, not peter
01:02 PM Tom_L: convenience maybe
01:02 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> ha
01:02 PM Tom_L: peter stays pretty busy
01:02 PM rdtsc-w: peter and JT are two pillars of LinuxCNC
01:02 PM roycroft: perhaps peter is busy developing product
01:03 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> JT helps out LCNC, so why not
01:03 PM roycroft: and that is why he got a north american distributor to handle some of the sales
01:03 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> captainhindsight_.@: pcw doenst?
01:03 PM Tom_L: of course he does
01:03 PM rdtsc-w: dunno which is busier... JT or PCW ;)
01:03 PM roycroft: jt also sells ancillary items such as mounting brackes and the like that pcw doesn't
01:04 PM Tom_L: yeah jt stays pretty busy feeding chickens, ducks and deer
01:04 PM roycroft: i'm assuming that since jt and pcw are friends pcw has no problem with jt handling some of the sales
01:04 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> it would make sense if the mesa store is too much work. if i remember it was really just his wife shipping things
01:04 PM roycroft: and pcw is busy herding sheep
01:04 PM xxcoder: from what I understand pcw is as busy as flea on hot grill surface
01:04 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> ha
01:04 PM roycroft: but here's the bottom line
01:04 PM roycroft: you have both urls
01:05 PM roycroft: both sell the same mesa product line for the same price
01:05 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> is that anything like flies on butter?
01:05 PM roycroft: choose which one you wish to purchase from
01:05 PM roycroft: and it will be good with everyone
01:06 PM xxcoder: yeah from what I hear stuff, both is in good standings. I only prefer jt because we chat in here
01:06 PM roycroft: in fact, when you order, don't tell us where you ended up getting the gear
01:06 PM roycroft: that way nobody here will be able to judge you
01:06 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> roycroft: yeah. i was just confused. it makes sense though if its just too much work for pcw now
01:06 PM roycroft: an i assure you that pcw and jt won't care
01:07 PM Tom_L: either way peter made a sale
01:07 PM roycroft: yes
01:07 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> well yes
01:07 PM Tom_L: bulk to jt or single to you
01:08 PM Tom_L: and i think it's to lighten the load for developement
01:08 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> speaking of mesa. if i cant figure my ethercats out im gonan switch back to the mesa and some pulse servos.
01:08 PM roycroft: i don't know this to be true or not, but pcw may make more money on sales through jt, because he does not have the overhead of processing individual orders
01:09 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> or analogue servos... hm. no, been there done that dont approve ;x
01:13 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> littleshopofrandom@ I think you are reading too much into the dual storefront situation
01:13 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> captainhindsight_.@: thats my job.
01:13 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> :x
01:13 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> hehe
01:13 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> covid had the major impact on supply
01:14 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> now it's parts from China
01:14 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> due to the Cheeto wars
01:14 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> mm cheetos.
01:15 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> yeah it took a while to get my 7i96s
01:15 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> in 2021
01:16 PM roycroft: it was a new product in 2021, and it was very covidy at the time
01:17 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> i think he had to change chips too. anyhow. it eventually got here so all good
01:18 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> all the Bill Gates tracking devices in the "vaccines" caused a chip shortage 🙂
01:18 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> pft, nah. the chip shortage meant there were no tracking devices in the vaccine. only cancer
01:18 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> wait, no, shingles?
01:18 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> i forger all my conspiracies now
01:18 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> haha
01:19 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> i never got the vaccine anyway. thats why my ethercat doesnt work. i cant interface with it
01:20 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> _feeds the cnc some cookies_
01:20 PM rdtsc-w: careful, cookie can be malicious
01:21 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> hmm. $100 servos... how bad can they be?
01:21 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> every time i think we have reached peak stupid, we go higher
01:21 PM rdtsc-w: what was it... setting a modern iPhone's date to 1970 bricks it... hope that has been fixed by now (suggest not trying it...)
01:21 PM roycroft: yes, he did have to change chips, an that's a big reason for all the new products he developed almost simultaneously
01:31 PM lcnc-relay: <roguish> Norm has left the bar..............
01:33 PM roycroft: he has
01:33 PM xxcoder: yep
01:33 PM roycroft: and faux news said they are trying to get an interview with rebecca
01:34 PM roycroft: she, however, left the bar three years ago
01:35 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> ...
01:35 PM xxcoder: reminds me of that site which had pictures of actors groups. ones that had died was made grayscale.
01:36 PM xxcoder: old shows it was either all or most, while recent (at time I browsed it) had one or two
01:39 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> need one for macbeth productions...
01:47 PM roycroft: hot potato, orchestra stalls, puck wll make amends
01:48 PM roycroft: please don't mention the scottish play by name again
02:33 PM roycroft: awesome
02:33 PM roycroft: the centurylink engineer was just here, and he told me the illegal drop would be gone by july 1
02:34 PM xxcoder: awesome
02:35 PM roycroft: yeah, my experience is that once you get ahold of the right person things happen
02:35 PM roycroft: it's getting through the bureaucracy to get to the right person that is the challenge
02:36 PM roycroft: this guy came out, looked up in the air and said "we're trespassing"
02:37 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> trespassing?
02:38 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> your cnc is in someone elses kitchen?
02:38 PM xxcoder: nah the centrylink phone wire cross his land, without easement
02:38 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> well thats silly
02:39 PM xxcoder: not when he need to rise garage roof, and wire is almost touching already.
02:40 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> why you have a wire for a phone anyway? what is this 1998?
02:40 PM xxcoder: its not service line for his home?
02:41 PM xxcoder: not sure why you keep going for worse interpetion possible
02:41 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> ....
02:41 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> _reloads sense of humour into xxcoders program_
02:42 PM xxcoder: sorry that I dont find negative statements funny
02:43 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> i did not make any negative statements. all my statemetns were absolute value
02:45 PM roycroft: land lines are still quite useful in many areas
02:46 PM roycroft: if it were affordable i'd have one
02:46 PM roycroft: cell service is pretty spotty up here
02:46 PM roycroft: and unlikely to get any better
02:46 PM roycroft: cell service is fine in urban areas and in flat rural areas
02:46 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> i can get cel service anywhere... except my brothers basement
02:47 PM roycroft: but in tiny towns up in the mountains and woods, not so much
02:47 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> mountains the service is good usually. long line of sight. bottoms of mountians... not so much
02:47 PM roycroft: people don't live at the tops of mountains
02:48 PM roycroft: at least not around here - ours are real mountains
02:48 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> roycroft: i do!
02:48 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> 🙂
02:48 PM roycroft: they live in valleys in between the mountains
02:48 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> well, they call it a mountain anyway. its more of a ledge
02:50 PM roycroft: our mountain peaks around where i live are in the 2500-3200m elevation range
02:50 PM roycroft: they are real, actual mountains
02:50 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> tiny hills.
02:50 PM roycroft: i live at the edge of the foothills, at 350m, but surrounded by forest
02:52 PM roycroft: unless you live in the middle of the alps, the himalayas, or the andes, our mountains are not "tiny hills" by comparison
02:53 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> pretty tiny. if you can drive a car to the top, its tiny 😛
02:53 PM roycroft: you can't drive a car to the top of any of the cascade peaks
02:53 PM roycroft: not even close
02:54 PM roycroft: the rough terrain, dense forest, and low population density here makes wired communications more reliable and feasible than wireless
02:56 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> ahh. those ones. yeah, tiny. _laughs at the tiny mountains in the south_ muhahaha
02:56 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> anyhow
02:57 PM xxcoder: reminds me of that funny one. someone who lives here in wa west ha a friend in south that kept saying that they have real mountains. till they finally went over to wa state "oh now thats real mountains" what friend at south had was pretty tall hills
02:58 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> hehe
02:58 PM roycroft: i'm not meaning to brag about our mountains
02:58 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> its all relative
02:58 PM xxcoder: brag away. we got awesome mountains here. the flat horzon line is unnatural!
02:58 PM roycroft: i'm just explaining how a solution that works well in one or many areas may not work well in all areas
02:59 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> xxcoder: weirdly im on top of a 'mountain' and its totally flat.
02:59 PM xxcoder: like it was lopped away?
02:59 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> (its not a real mountain though, they just call it one)
03:00 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> niagar falls
03:00 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> its a cliff
03:00 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> but they call it "the mountain"
03:00 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> but the top is dead flat
03:00 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> like saskachewan flat
03:00 PM xxcoder: lol. yeah land tiled. that area do look awesome
03:01 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> we do have like 150 waterfalls though
03:01 PM xxcoder: I bet theres lots lovely bicycle trails
03:01 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> (actual niagara falls is like 80km down the cliff)
03:02 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> xxcoder: no it sucks. caus its flat on the top, and the cliff is a cliff, so theres really not a lot around.
03:02 PM xxcoder: no pathways looking at bunch of waterfalls while riding?
03:02 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> where i used to live (with real mountains) was better
03:02 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> xxcoder: yes, but mostly paved
03:02 PM xxcoder: that would be fine for me.
03:02 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> and broken up with roads.
03:03 PM xxcoder: I evenually will build my tricycle and start riding it to be kinda healthy
03:03 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> toronto is better cause theres at least a valley where you can ride continuously for 20-30km
03:03 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> but the rain keeps washing those trails down the hill
03:03 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> :/
03:03 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> oh well
03:04 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> cant win
03:04 PM xxcoder: nothing is perfect
03:05 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> whistler? ha
03:05 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> no
03:06 PM * roycroft would not want to live in or near gta, he thinks
03:07 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> its alright, but if biking is your aim, its not ideal
03:07 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> if having a job is your aim, its a bit more useful ;x
03:07 PM roycroft: it's too busy
03:08 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> O_o
03:08 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> nah
03:08 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> its very quiet here. there were only like 3 murders this week
03:10 PM roycroft: dear leader just ordered harvard to disenroll all 6800 of its foreign students immediately
03:11 PM * roycroft determines that every day that he checks the news is a day that immediately gets worse
03:15 PM xxcoder: foreigns is why colleges is quite profitable
03:16 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> depends. up here they pay way more tuition for sure
03:49 PM roycroft: harvard does not need the foreign students to get by - it has the largest endowment of any university in the world, worth over $50 billion
03:50 PM roycroft: but harvard is consistently rated the best university in the world, and has almost 50 nobel laureates
03:51 PM roycroft: it has a history and reputation of educating the best of the best, from all over the world
03:51 PM roycroft: it would be a loss to the university and to the planet to disenroll all foreigners
03:54 PM xxcoder: true
04:00 PM JT-Shop: looks like it takes a week from tx to mo via freight
04:14 PM rdtsc-w: "freight" as in "up tributaries and small streams with the occasional road crossing?" ;)
04:15 PM rdtsc-w: reminds me of a "try to live like in the old west" show... woman wanted bacon, so they sent an order... took over a week to arrive... was all moldy
04:16 PM JT-Shop: abf freight
04:16 PM JT-Shop: and the ducks are back for their evening meal
04:17 PM JT-Shop: I get bacon and it's cured so no ice required
04:18 PM rdtsc-w: abf(t)? a-bout frellin' time? :) yeah salt is the way to go... unfortunately they didn't know that on the show, oops
04:18 PM JT-Shop: https://www.bentonscountryham.com/
04:19 PM rdtsc-w: ya know what would also work... honey. seen a piece of chicken placed in honey for a week... the honey totally cured it
04:19 PM JT-Shop: raw chicken?
04:19 PM JT-Shop: I put mine in apple cider vinegar
04:19 PM rdtsc-w: yep, strangest thing... but honey has natural antibotics in it, so it didn't spoil
04:20 PM rdtsc-w: did separate into a "honey" layer and a "water" layer though, again strange
04:21 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> rdtsc-w: what illness did it have?
04:21 PM xxcoder: not only that. its very dry. its why wax coating on top makes it last extremely long, it keeps water out
04:21 PM rdtsc-w: bird flu? :)
04:21 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> eeep
04:21 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> that needs maple syrup i think
04:22 PM rdtsc-w: no antibotics in maple syrup... well unless using the old recipe coke syrup
04:22 PM rdtsc-w: then it's WOOOHOOO chicken lol
04:22 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> what about pro boitics?
04:24 PM rdtsc-w: no idea... might be better than amateur biotics though
04:24 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> what about bionics? i know a girl with a bionic leg
04:24 PM JT-Shop: we applied for our senior property tax break today and to my surprise it was painless
04:24 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> she can step on the chicken
04:25 PM xxcoder: nice
04:25 PM rdtsc-w: that sounds like the beginnings of a very foul joke...
04:25 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> JT-Shop: fun. they keep raising my taxes to crazy levels.
04:25 PM rdtsc-w: fowl
04:26 PM JT-Shop: next I have to have an informal hearing about the new property value they set
04:26 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> one of her legs is just a spike. good for killing things.
04:26 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> haha
04:26 PM JT-Shop: property value depends on 3 things... location, location, location
04:27 PM JT-Shop: and I have none of them
04:27 PM rdtsc-w: let me guess... her name is Peg-gy.
04:27 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> no
04:28 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> last year she got the leg implanted into the bone. and then got the upper part of her leg stretched 45mm.
04:28 PM Tom_L: i know one as well that lost it in a mower accident as a child
04:28 PM rdtsc-w: ouch...
04:28 PM Tom_L: for whatever linuxcnc value that has
04:28 PM rdtsc-w: beware of sharp cutters :)
04:29 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> yes
04:29 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> Tom_L: her leg is somewhat valid cause they are cnc'd
04:29 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> 😛
04:30 PM rdtsc-w: O.O
04:30 PM * Tom_L tries to drag the channel back ot
04:30 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> how bout that ethercat
04:30 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> ...
04:30 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> better/
04:30 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> ?
04:30 PM Tom_L: not many here know about that
04:31 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> problem i have is theres too man gaps in the documentation where they assume you just know 90% of the steps. and.. i dont 😛
04:31 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> anyhow
04:31 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> i need to get something fixed so i can cust some parts
04:32 PM JT-Shop: so why I became a mesa dealer back in 2016 or so they were having problems shipping so in order to help I became a dealer so they could send me one large box of boards which would help them out
04:32 PM Tom_L: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/ethercat/49771-ethercat-build-from-source-full-instructions
04:32 PM JT-Shop: and the rest is history
04:32 PM Tom_L: who the hell uses all caps!
04:33 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> Tom_L: yeah, thats the one i mean. its missing 90% of the steps.
04:33 PM Tom_L: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/ethercat/45336-ethercat-installation-from-repositories-how-to-step-by-step
04:33 PM JT-Shop: people who can read lower case???
04:33 PM Tom_L: be cautious taking advice from rodw
04:33 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> hehe
04:33 PM JT-Shop: yup, I second that for sure
04:33 PM Tom_L: ask JT
04:33 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> hes good, but he just assume you know everything already
04:33 PM JT-Shop: been there done that and got burned
04:33 PM Tom_L: 2x
04:34 PM JT-Shop: sometimes he gives out bad instructions and twice it's bricked my pc
04:34 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> someone just posted their lichuan config, so im gonna see is that has enough to work and let me sub out my motor details
04:34 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> JT-Shop: oof
04:34 PM JT-Shop: yup
04:35 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> anyhow, hopefully i can make it work, otherwise im gonna switch backl to the mesa and get some $100 servos. (i dont want to switch back to my old servos)
04:36 PM Tom_L: little shop of random, if you figure it out do a nice writeup on it
04:36 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> i will... and then leave out ever 3rd page
04:36 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> :x
04:36 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> j/k
04:37 PM Tom_L: have you looked at google AI? it possibly could help
04:37 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> not been helpful so far. it give a lot of wrong info.
04:38 PM Tom_L: does ethercat use an .xml file for config?
04:38 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> for the drive yes. but thats only a fraction of the setup
04:39 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> so far linux sees the drives, which is good
04:39 PM Tom_L: loadusr -W lcec_conf ethercat-conf.xml
04:39 PM Tom_L: loadrt lcec
04:39 PM Tom_L: addf lcec.read-all servo-thread
04:39 PM Tom_L: addf lcec.write-all servo-thread
04:39 PM Tom_L: <masters>
04:39 PM Tom_L: <master idx="0" appTimePeriod="1000000" refClockSyncCycles="5">
04:39 PM Tom_L: </master>
04:39 PM Tom_L: </masters>
04:39 PM Tom_L: from AI
04:39 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> yeah, well past that point
04:39 PM Tom_L: ok
04:40 PM Tom_L: then i claim to know nothing
04:40 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> im suck on the actual linux config now. it errors, and then ... theres no real help. im hoping this config i download works on its own and solves that side of things.
04:40 PM JT-Shop: my cat does not use ether
04:40 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> and then i jsut need to make it speak to the drive
04:41 PM JT-Shop: how expensive is an ethercat drive?
04:41 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> there needs to obviously be an auto setup wizard like there is for mesa. but i guess its too early for that
04:41 PM Tom_L: write one
04:41 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> lichuan has some for $150us
04:41 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> Tom_L: i can barely write an email
04:42 PM Tom_L: ya gotta start sometime
04:42 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> my servos are omron though. traded some sanyos for them with my electrical inspector (weird world haha)
04:43 PM Tom_L: i have some omron encoders but no servos
04:43 PM Tom_L: i think that's what they are
04:43 PM JT-Shop: so ethercat is just from the pc nic to the drive with no mesa card?
04:44 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> they work with the omron app. all tuned. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQy94PWjh8Y
04:44 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> just need to get linuxcnc happy
04:44 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> JT-Shop: yes
04:45 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> although its fussy about network cards
04:45 PM JT-Shop: what do you do for I/O
04:45 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> usually requires a specific intel one
04:45 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> each drive has 12 IO
04:45 PM JT-Shop: cool
04:45 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> and you can buy io blocks if you need more
04:45 PM JT-Shop: so you can use a pci(e) nic?
04:45 PM Tom_L: sounds proprietary
04:46 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> Tom_L: soooorta. its quite open. doesnt care what brand.
04:46 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> the nic thats officially supported is a pci intel - whihc up til recently most mobo had. realtek is more hit and miss
04:47 PM JT-Shop: yup realtek is a problem for mesa cards sometimes
04:47 PM Tom_L: then you have to run that config line for the intel card don't you? or is that a mesa thing
04:47 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> ethercat is just can bus over an ethernet cable with a real time "os" that piggybacks the pc os
04:48 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> (well, thats how it is on windows)
04:48 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> Tom_L: i think i know what you are meaning. i forget. its been a few months since i poked at it
04:49 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> the machinekit version of linuxcnc was ethercat
04:49 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> via a pi
04:49 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> 4?
04:49 PM Tom_L: hardware-irq-coalesce-rx-usecs 0
04:49 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> but i guess thats killed off
04:49 PM Tom_L: something like that
04:49 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> hm
04:49 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> nope, never done that
04:49 PM Tom_L: in interfaces
04:50 PM Tom_L: just on intel nics
04:50 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> yeah nope. my pcs are all lenovo, which i think are all intel nic
04:50 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> my workstation is realtek and beckhoff twincat said... nope
04:52 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> i think i have an io problem to solve. io is 24v and my tool setter is 5v. (on the mesa this is fine)
04:53 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, any ideas on the led logic thing?
04:53 PM JT-Shop: I'll look in the morning
04:54 PM JT-Shop: been busy today and I expect to pickup the lift tuesday so I need to make a hole
04:54 PM Tom_L: does that bolt to the floor or free standing?
04:55 PM JT-Shop: it's free standing and has casters for mobility
04:55 PM Tom_L: ahh cool
04:55 PM JT-Shop: ie you can move it around easy
04:56 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> then your car rolls around?
04:56 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> hehe
04:56 PM JT-Shop: no, the lift has to be empty to move it
04:57 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> well thats no fun
04:58 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> i want wheels on my car.... oh, wait
04:58 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> nm
04:58 PM JT-Shop: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9mRl_Q-2_I
05:32 PM JT-Shop: Tom_L, I suspect when you hit the estop the led does not get turned off because it has not been programmed yet
05:41 PM _unreal_: !!!!!!!!!!!! under contract for buying a home
05:46 PM _unreal_: ! so my daughter 16yo is trying 7 up for the first time???? I didnt realize
05:47 PM JT-Shop: congrats
05:47 PM _unreal_: thanks
05:47 PM _unreal_: been years..... :S in the making
05:48 PM _unreal_: I got so much stuuff thats going to start moving fwd when/ONCE I get in and settles
05:48 PM _unreal_: settled
05:49 PM JT-Shop: I built my house myself and the mrs asked me who you make payments to? I said you pay the lumber bill each month and when you don't get any more the house is ours
05:50 PM _unreal_: heh
05:50 PM _unreal_: I'm getting this house below market value
05:50 PM _unreal_: $410 market is $455
05:51 PM JT-Shop: holy crap batman
05:51 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> can only dream of a house that cheap here
05:51 PM _unreal_: ?
05:51 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> that market is quite down though
05:51 PM _unreal_: JT-Shop, ?
05:51 PM xxcoder: only $410 wow even I can afford it
05:51 PM JT-Shop: $410,000?
05:51 PM _unreal_: ya
05:51 PM _unreal_: I qualify for .... more
05:51 PM _unreal_: I've said many times I'm on a reality show
05:52 PM JT-Shop: my house value is $200,000 but it's not worth that due to location, location, location
05:52 PM xxcoder: over 500k here. expensive houses here
05:53 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> a tear down is 800-1m here
05:54 PM _unreal_: JT-Shop, once I open my company again (house dependent) plus my day job I'll clear a proud 6 figures
05:55 PM JT-Shop: sounds like you will spend a proud 7 figures on mortgage and taxes
05:55 PM _unreal_: I know right
05:57 PM _unreal_: hehe. as is i've bypassed mortgage insurance because of what I've put down. so non needed, I'm below market value so I dont have to have a.... ?? the other inspection fanatical inspection I forget the name. done.
05:57 PM _unreal_: best of all I dont have to relocate my daughter (school wise)
05:58 PM _unreal_: I'm in the same school zoning as I've been since 2013
05:58 PM JT-Shop: that's good, kids take relocation kinda hard sometimes
05:58 PM _unreal_: That was the most important to me
05:58 PM _unreal_: ya especially when in the finall years of high school
05:59 PM JT-Shop: grandson just got accepted to lawyer collage
06:00 PM xxcoder: ah yes legal criminals college ;)
06:00 PM xxcoder: joking
06:00 PM JT-Shop: granddaughter is on a baseball scholarship at collage
06:01 PM xxcoder: I hear lawyer is hard college and job
06:01 PM JT-Shop: he's going to do immigration law
06:01 PM JT-Shop: he feels strongly about that
06:14 PM _unreal_: littleshopofrandom I'll likely put it on a new cnc machine
06:15 PM _unreal_: only problem with the new house is that its a single wide gurage :(
06:15 PM _unreal_: its got
06:15 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> make a shed.
06:15 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> or an attic room
06:15 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> or... kitchen. kitchen works. no one needs to cook
06:15 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> :x
06:16 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> haha
06:16 PM Tom_L: $410k and you don't get a work shop??????
06:17 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> ha
06:17 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> the only reason i bought this house was to get a shop.
06:18 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> built me a nice little steel framed shop building.
06:21 PM _unreal_: Tom_L, ya I know sucks but hay keeping my kid in her school is more important
06:21 PM _unreal_: if it wasnt for that I could go any wear in south florida
06:22 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> put the cnc in her room. tell her thats the price of staying in the same school
06:23 PM _unreal_: heh littleshop....funny you say that
06:23 PM _unreal_: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1hnd8mD4u5KKsIrPQOX7oN4ZlZ37xEnPs/view?usp=drive_link
06:23 PM _unreal_: I built that for my daughter
06:24 PM _unreal_: ?
06:25 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> ha
06:25 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> toysss
06:26 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> hm
06:26 PM rdtsc: weird.. since re-flashing the 12.11.12 .iso, rpi5 now always boots with display offf
06:26 PM Tom_L: i swear, you and that rpi5...
06:26 PM _unreal_: littleshop https://photos.app.goo.gl/ggAPhV6uwbvr4jLs8 the kind of stuff I do
06:27 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> shiny
06:27 PM _unreal_: https://photos.app.goo.gl/CuUszxKaFziVnQKX9
06:27 PM Tom_L: mostly wood?
06:27 PM _unreal_: https://photos.app.goo.gl/ZVxFnvZABBCnJGsW9
06:27 PM _unreal_: Tom_L, ?
06:27 PM Tom_L: not you
06:28 PM _unreal_: :(
06:28 PM _unreal_: what if I want it to be me
06:28 PM _unreal_: :((
06:29 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> O_o
06:29 PM Tom_L: oh i thought that was his post
06:29 PM Tom_L: nevermind
06:29 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> https://youtu.be/8m1rR9bpfKw
06:30 PM _unreal_: littleshop NICE!
06:30 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> machine is sad. wants to make things. needs cats
06:30 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> ha
06:31 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> $557cdn for 3 new servo kits for pulse. OR... keep fiddling with ethercats.
06:31 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> these companies really should have them able to do both
06:31 PM Tom_L: are you running any mesa cards?
06:32 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> the old setup was mesa
06:32 PM _unreal_: cats?
06:32 PM Tom_L: servo or stepper?
06:32 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> servo
06:32 PM _unreal_: stepper servo or BLDC
06:32 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> servo
06:32 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> no stepper nonsense
06:33 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> 🙂
06:33 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> haha
06:33 PM _unreal_: stepper servo or BLDC
06:33 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> ac servo
06:33 PM _unreal_: both can be servo
06:33 PM _unreal_: BLCD
06:33 PM _unreal_: OK
06:33 PM _unreal_: ac servo is BLDC
06:33 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> not exactly
06:33 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> similar
06:33 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> not the same
06:33 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> trap vs sine
06:33 PM _unreal_: depends on controller settings/design
06:33 PM _unreal_: can be both
06:34 PM _unreal_: littleshop what size motors are you looking for? I have a tone :( in storage. I cant get to anything till I'm in my new home. but I have a lot oof excess
06:34 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> windings are different. anyhow. this dont matter. point is, i have new ethercat servos but cant get the config working. OR, i can buy new pulse servos for $557cdn shipped.
06:34 PM _unreal_: hum
06:35 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> im using 60mm servos
06:35 PM _unreal_: ok
06:35 PM _unreal_: I've gotten a lot of servos from super yacht sat domes
06:35 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> i wonder if i can find omron drives for pulse that work with my motors. hmmm
06:35 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> 9r88d)
06:35 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> * (r88d)
06:35 PM _unreal_: big 80" or so domes
06:36 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> ha nice
06:36 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> most older servos wont be applicable. the sanyos i had were great but too large
06:36 PM _unreal_: eya I've got like 2-300 lbs in motors for a future business venture
06:36 PM _unreal_: and still collecting
06:37 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> the omron are also great. crazy fast.
06:37 PM _unreal_: ya I see that
06:37 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> i have old sanyo and indramat stuff.
06:37 PM _unreal_: what is there torque
06:37 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> _unreal_: oh thats video is the old servos, going very slow 😛
06:38 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> the omrons are 200w and 400w. so .67 and 1.3nm or so
06:38 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> wee babies
06:39 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> but the machine moving mass is pretty light
06:40 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> basically limited by the ball screw speed. 5000rpm. so 50m/m
06:40 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> (that video is 10m/m)
06:40 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> hm. les see what this new config does. if anything
06:44 PM rdtsc: tom, weird, python3 says it is installed, but is not in any path... reinstalling
06:45 PM rdtsc: nope, no python... wth
06:46 PM rdtsc: I'm tellin' ya... rpi might as well be a medusa - all snakes and lots of them
06:49 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> the VW ran all day with no issues.. (other than the ebrake)
06:51 PM _unreal_: phone call
06:51 PM _unreal_: littleshop nice
06:52 PM _unreal_: littleshop one of my future projects is to upgrade my laser etcher from a 3 watt to a 40 watt
06:52 PM _unreal_: laser head
06:52 PM _unreal_: can NOT wait
06:53 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> bzzzt
06:53 PM rdtsc: tom: recent python3.11 IS installed... the link to "python" was removed... must use "python3"
06:57 PM Tom_L: ahh yeah
06:57 PM rdtsc: i'll fix that.... cnc@cnc:~$ ln -s /usr/bin/python3 bin/python
06:59 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> put about 100 miles on it
07:00 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> none of the body fell off.
07:00 PM Tom_L: quality workmanship
07:00 PM Tom_L: and duct tape
07:00 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> time will tell
07:00 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> kids are happy - mostly..
07:01 PM _unreal_: I cant wait to FINALLY get my daughters tri 60 rebuilt
07:02 PM _unreal_: 60cc 3 wheeler
07:02 PM _unreal_: micro 3 wheeler
07:04 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> yeck. Do you not like your daughter? 😉
07:05 PM Tom_L: i didn't know they still made those
07:05 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> lol - they don't
07:05 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I guess - if you don't have to turn... ever
07:05 PM Tom_L: quads nowdays
07:06 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> the kids run whatever quad dad had - it is so stable it is unreal.
07:06 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> lol - no clue the brand.
07:11 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> my ex brother in law bought one because they were being banned.. I took it for a short ride and brought it back to him. Said - no thank you.
07:59 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> haha
07:59 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> beat the system
07:59 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> the neck snapper
08:00 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> whats that? banning the ford pinto? i gotta get 3 before that happens
08:00 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> O_o
08:03 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> skunkworks8841@: they were banned for a reason
08:03 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> quite a few deaths
08:28 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> yep.. they are scary
08:28 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I remember him having it for quite a long time too
09:29 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> "I _think_ the Communications setting error is because of wrong DC (distributed clock) Sync0 config. This is not possible to configure with the ethercat command line tool; it must be done with a client program though the etherlabmaster API." and then.. no further discussion of the topic, its just working for the person. This is why i get frustrated. How am i supposed to know how to do this? 🙂
10:30 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> i think i made progress. i get a different error now 😛
10:31 PM Tom_L: maybe you wore the first one out
10:31 PM lcnc-relay: <littleshopofrandom@> possibly
11:43 PM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> good morning