#linuxcnc Logs
May 19 2025
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:21 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> moin
12:57 AM Deejay: moin
04:10 AM mrec: freecad has some offsetting issues with clipper, the error is small but it's there 0.01mm is a common error
04:11 AM mrec: it usually applies to non even sized tools
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04:44 AM Tom_L: morning
05:07 AM lcnc-relay: <rs> mrec: can you elaborate? what do you mean with "non even sized"?
05:07 AM lcnc-relay: <rs> i never noticed any deviation that large
07:08 AM lcnc-relay: <z3rni3@> Morning.
07:08 AM lcnc-relay: Is anyone up who could answer a quick question! 😁
07:08 AM lcnc-relay: <z3rni3@> * question?
07:08 AM Tom_L: not unless you ask it
07:08 AM lcnc-relay: <z3rni3@> Perfect
07:09 AM lcnc-relay: <z3rni3@> Im working with the 7i96s at the Moment and am trying to get an output Pin to turn on an LED
07:09 AM lcnc-relay: <z3rni3@> Now im searching for the Field GND of the output pins
07:09 AM Tom_L: i bet it's in the doc
07:10 AM lcnc-relay: <z3rni3@> Im reading its just the PIN 5 but im scared to fry my board.
07:10 AM Tom_L: i have one but haven't tested io on it yet
07:10 AM Tom_L: i think they are isolated io
07:10 AM * JT-Cave runs MesaCT and downloads the manual
07:11 AM JT-Cave: WOW that was easy
07:12 AM Tom_L: he wanted quick. not easy :)
07:12 AM JT-Cave: TB3 Pin 5 is an input pin
07:12 AM JT-Cave: and quick
07:13 AM JT-Cave: Note: The 7I96S outputs are not short circuit protected so a current limited power
07:13 AM JT-Cave: supply or a 2A to 5A fuse should be used in the power source that supplies outputs
07:13 AM JT-Cave: 0 through 3. Outputs 4 and 5 should be protected with a 1/4 Amp fuse.
07:13 AM JT-Cave: seems to be an important note in the docs
07:15 AM lcnc-relay: <z3rni3@> Okay... I'm still confused. That doesn't seem like what I'm looking for.
07:18 AM lcnc-relay: <z3rni3@> I have an LED wired to 24V with a 1.1 kOhm resistor. It's wired into OUT-0. When I trigger the Pin nothing happens. Im guessing that I need to connect a field GND like the Input Common for the input pins.
07:18 AM lcnc-relay: Tb3 Pin 5 doesn't do that, if I understand it correctly.
07:18 AM lcnc-relay: <z3rni3@> I'd be happy if you could tell me where you just found all your information just now.
07:20 AM rdtsc-w: from the mesa 7i96s manual - mesaCT is a configuration tool JT created for mesa boards, and it includes links to the manuals for many boards
07:20 AM JT-Cave: I have the Mesa
07:20 AM JT-Cave: Configuration Tool installed and from the menu I downloaded the latest 7i96s manual
07:21 AM lcnc-relay: <z3rni3@> All right. Thank you guys! 😁
07:21 AM JT-Cave: https://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/mesact/index.html
07:21 AM JT-Cave: https://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/flexgui/index.html
07:59 AM pere: <URL: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1106075 > :)
08:41 AM lcnc-relay: <z3rni3@> * figured
08:58 AM JT-MShop: morning pcw-home
09:08 AM pcw-home: Morning
09:09 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> 46 here today
09:18 AM JT-MShop: rdtsc-w, so you're a python programmer... I need to build a variable with enums separated by | and I'm not having any luck
09:19 AM JT-MShop: so I have 3 options and if the option is true add the enum to flags
09:19 AM JT-MShop: but python += is for strings only...
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09:20 AM bjorkintosh: the answer to most weird things in python is a dictionary.
09:20 AM bjorkintosh: (or a list)
09:20 AM bjorkintosh: unless it _has_ to be enums.
09:21 AM rdtsc-w: well I'd say I'm a python tinkerer... suggest looking at data types; perhaps there is some type that can handle the bit-wise or operator: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=python+or+operator
09:22 AM rdtsc-w: could also call a C function to do it, although that is a roundabout way
09:23 AM bjorkintosh: I'd say a dictionary is simpler.
09:23 AM JT-Shop: pyqt6 requires that the variable be done like this flags = enum1 | enum2 | enum3
09:24 AM JT-Shop: I "think" it's because the enums are flags so 1, 2, 4, 8 are the values
09:25 AM bjorkintosh: hmm. those are powers of 2.
09:25 AM bjorkintosh: starting from 0.
09:25 AM bjorkintosh: 0, 1, 2, 3.
09:25 AM JT-Shop: now Mercy demands that I pay up front my deductible and co-pay
09:25 AM bjorkintosh: pow(2, 0)
09:25 AM JT-Shop: I "think" the enums all start at 1
09:26 AM bjorkintosh: I don't know if that helps at all. but that particular sequence is simply powers of 2
09:27 AM bjorkintosh: so the whole thing can be computed by a function.
09:27 AM bjorkintosh: so, if 'flag' is 3 or something, it should yield pow(2, 3) ... the value 8.
09:29 AM JT-Shop: in this case there are 3 enums and any combination is possible
09:30 AM rdtsc-w: looks like "enums" were added in 3.4, see first answer: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/36932/how-can-i-represent-an-enum-in-python
09:32 AM JT-Shop: https://doc.qt.io/qt-6/qtextdocument.html#FindFlag-enum
09:32 AM JT-Shop: I working with pyqt6 qtextdocument find enums
09:40 AM * JT-Shop has one tail light wired up on the trailer
10:14 AM roycroft: happy victoria day
10:14 AM roycroft: and happy 45th anniversary of mt saint helens blowing up real good
10:16 AM lcnc-relay: <roguish> the big bang theory
10:17 AM lcnc-relay: <roguish> the big boom theory
10:19 AM roycroft: interesting report on the cbc this morning
10:19 AM roycroft: tourist traffic to washington state from british columbia is down 45% since march
10:20 AM bjorkintosh: the snow birds will be back this winter.
10:20 AM bjorkintosh: they're roosting elsewhere at the moment.
10:20 AM roycroft: bellingham and seattle business owners were interviewed and think it's because of dear leader's "51st state" and "governor trudeau" remarks
10:20 AM roycroft: canadians say it's because of the tariffs and because it's not worth risking getting arrested by ice
10:20 AM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> skunkworks8841@ low 40's across the state from you on the lakefront
10:21 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> nippy
10:21 AM roycroft: it's drizzly and cool here again
10:21 AM roycroft: but that's great - i finished my herb garden planting at the end of last week
10:21 AM bjorkintosh: roycroft: it's all true. those are the actual reasons. the thing is, people forget rather quickly.
10:21 AM roycroft: a few days of cool, drizzly weather are perfect for getting the plants established, before they start baking
10:21 AM bjorkintosh: if you remind them too much, it leads to fatigue, and they tune it out, if you don't remind them, they simply forget.
10:21 AM bjorkintosh: they'll be back.
10:22 AM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> drove down to IL yesterday, was at least 10f warmer
10:22 AM roycroft: i can tell you, having lived in bellingham, that a 45% decrease in tourist traffic is going to be a major setback, and will cost a lot of jobs
10:23 AM bjorkintosh: I thought the area was full of Micro$$$$$oft.-inaires.
10:23 AM roycroft: the parking lots at trader joe's and costco were almost empty this past weekend
10:23 AM bjorkintosh: at least, that's the impression I got when I was last in the area.
10:23 AM bjorkintosh: which, goodness has it been 8 years already??
10:23 AM roycroft: and bellinghamsters shop at both places, but the majority of the traffic is canadians
10:24 AM roycroft: when the blue jays play the mariners the stadium always sells out because of all the canadians driving down for the game
10:24 AM roycroft: when the jays were in town earlier this month the stadium was half empty
10:24 AM roycroft: and that's not just 20,000 fewer tickets sold
10:25 AM roycroft: it's thousands fewer hotel rooms rented, tens of thousands fewer meals served in restaurants
10:25 AM bjorkintosh: Fanta Fuhrer bullying everyone is bad for business.
10:25 AM roycroft: anyway
10:25 AM roycroft: i miss bellingham still, but i'm glad i'm not there right now
10:25 AM JT-Shop: second tail light connected... two side markers to go
10:26 AM roycroft: and i have decided to take the deal on my trailer
10:26 AM roycroft: i slept on it last night, and woke up convinced it's the best thing for me
10:26 AM bjorkintosh: how is healing going, roycroft?
10:27 AM roycroft: fairly well
10:27 AM bjorkintosh: good to hear.
10:27 AM roycroft: the vertigo is returning a bit
10:27 AM roycroft: but we expected that might happen
10:27 AM roycroft: and i'm having another session for it on thursday
10:27 AM roycroft: i'm being careful not to overdo things, but my back feels mostly fine
10:27 AM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> was looking at jobs in the NW, WA seem to have several not MS or Meta related
10:28 AM roycroft: i want to make sure that the bones have fully healed around the screws holding the rod in place before lifting anything heavy
10:28 AM roycroft: that will take another month or so
10:29 AM roycroft: i was a dumbass last night
10:29 AM roycroft: i've been having problems with devices not getting dhcp leases on my network, and finally took the time to investigate
10:30 AM roycroft: turns out i had a really small dhcp pool range provisioned on my firewall, and when i started doing home automation stuff i ran out of addresses
10:30 AM roycroft: so i defined a much larger pool
10:30 AM roycroft: but when one changes the pool definition on a cisco asa it disables dhcpd
10:30 AM roycroft: which i forgot
10:30 AM bjorkintosh: which is why I figured ipv6 would be a better option for these things.
10:31 AM roycroft: devices started dropping off the network last night, and i got rustrated and went to bed
10:31 AM bjorkintosh: so I decided to learn it!
10:31 AM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> anyone here been traveling outside the USA lately?
10:31 AM roycroft: this morning i got up, logged into the firewall, and did "dhcpd enable inside"
10:31 AM roycroft: and all is well
10:31 AM roycroft: i would not dare show my face (and passport) on foreign soil right now
10:32 AM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> why I am asking
10:32 AM roycroft: not out of fear, but out of embarrassment
10:32 AM bjorkintosh: not I. I would like to though.
10:32 AM bjorkintosh: a short trip to Ontario, CA.
10:32 AM roycroft: not ontario oregon?
10:33 AM bjorkintosh: CA.
10:33 AM bjorkintosh: the 51st state.
10:33 AM roycroft: oh, ontario california
10:33 AM bjorkintosh: hahaha
10:33 AM roycroft: both are nice towns
10:34 AM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> yeah, went through this with Cheney/Bush and 45
10:34 AM bjorkintosh: not the 33rd state, or the 31st.
10:34 AM roycroft: i haven't been to ontario canada since a few days before 911
10:34 AM roycroft: and that was my last foreign excursion
10:34 AM roycroft: i went to niagra falls at the end of august 2001
10:34 AM roycroft: i decided after 911 not to fly any more
10:34 AM roycroft: again, not because of fear
10:35 AM roycroft: but because of not wanting to participate in the kabuki theatre
10:36 AM * roycroft has been content to remain in his timezone for the past 25 years, but does want to wander over into the mountain timezone soon
10:36 AM roycroft: so parts will arrive for the cnc controller this week
10:36 AM roycroft: but probably not enough
10:37 AM roycroft: this will be interesting - i don't have time at the moment to draw a schematic ahead of time
10:37 AM roycroft: it will be ad-hoc, but i'll produce as-builts when it's finished
10:38 AM roycroft: and i just realized that all the indicators i have in stock are 12vdc and 240vac
10:39 AM roycroft: this device will have 5, 24, and 48vdc and 120vac
10:39 AM roycroft: i guess i'll need different indicators
11:12 AM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> so not ontario california
11:13 AM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> the other shitty one that i live in
11:14 AM roycroft: parts of ontario are really nice
11:14 AM roycroft: gta not so much
11:14 AM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> i would wait a few weeks thought till it warms up but not too humid
11:15 AM roycroft: i would be sure i'd be happy staying there if i went to visit, in case i couldn't get back into the us
11:16 AM * roycroft knows he would be perfectly happy living in bc, if he could afford to do so
11:17 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> masquitos are already getting bad. (but it has been windy and now cold - so better)
11:18 AM roycroft: ooh, i seem to recall that i have some amber 120vac neon indicators
11:18 AM roycroft: and i might even know where they are
11:23 AM rdtsc-w: I made some carpenter bee traps last fall... didn't do too much last year, but caught over a dozen so far this spring. they like to eat the neighbor's house and my deck
11:58 AM rdtsc-w: suppose i should offset that with a small beehive but know nothing about them
12:00 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I was thinking I should build some bat houses
12:21 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> skunkworks8841@ I have built traps like these https://www.mosquitomagnet.com/mosquito-magnet-executive-mosquito-trap-mm3300b since I could not support bats
12:26 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> We usually just run a chain saw...
12:26 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> 😉
12:27 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I was moving in some tall grass and got off the mower to move crap - when I got back to the mower - there were a bazillion mosquitos around the mower
12:29 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> sounds like you need a flame thrower
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12:31 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> are you able to burn everything within 500 yards of your home? 🙂
12:31 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> lol - probably not. tree's are the issue
12:31 PM * JT-Shop 5 squirrels 0
12:31 PM JT-Shop: nap time
12:31 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> let me know what works for you
12:32 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I asked the fire department what I need to do to burn a brush pile.. He said I needed a permit - and I can't right now. (too windy and dry)
12:32 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I said - not now - just getting my ducks in a row.
12:32 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> Then he asked if I had a dozer or tractor available to put it out if needed.. lol
12:32 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> why yes - yes I do.
12:32 PM rdtsc-w: "fire pits" are allowed... just saying
12:33 PM rdtsc-w: for cooking
12:33 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> lol - yes. My sister had the fire department called on her because she has a fire every night.. They came in - looked and said - looks good.
12:34 PM roycroft: when i lived in bellingham, back in the early '80s, i was living with some housemates, and we had a big get-together one day
12:34 PM roycroft: we decided to cook some salmon over coals, and got a whole lot of salmon
12:35 PM roycroft: we dug a shallow hole in the ground, lit a fire i it with some kindling, and when the fire burned down to coals we put the salmon in it, wrapped in foil
12:35 PM roycroft: one of the neighbors did not take kindly to that and rang up the fire department, who were dispatched and pulled out a big fire house and doused the coals, ruining the salmon
12:36 PM roycroft: i should note that in bellingham it never gets hot, the grass does not turn brown in the summer, and the water table is about 2 shovels deep in most places
12:37 PM roycroft: by no conceivable stretch of the imagination did that bed of coals pose any kind of fire hazard
12:37 PM roycroft: so i'm not so sure one can dig a fire pit for cooking
12:38 PM roycroft: i do know my housemates and myself were young and poor, and not only did that ruin our party, it had cost us a significant amount of money relative to our income to buy that salmon
12:44 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> the lesson is that most neighbors just suck
12:44 PM Rab: rdtsc-w, bee colonies can thrive in the wild, but they take some stewardship to keep a hive going. Otherwise the hive can die off, or get upset and leave.
12:45 PM Rab: It can be a relaxing hobby, but from what I've seen it's not zero maintenance.
12:45 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> so #1 Don't get old, #2 Don't get sick, #3 Choose good parents, #4 Choose good neighbors
12:45 PM * roycroft is considering adding some hives once he gets his veggie garden going, and has done a lot of reading about them
12:46 PM roycroft: it does, indeed, require some maintenance
12:46 PM roycroft: but not that much - after a colony is established, a few minutes once/week or so is usually enough unless something goes wrong
12:47 PM roycroft: it almost takes more time to put on and take off the safety gear than to do the maintenance work
12:47 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> #5 don't get married
12:47 PM Rab: We had a colony move into our composter, and my wife got them into a hive she maintained. We had periodic drama with freezes, beetles, and warfare with other, more aggressive bees.
12:47 PM roycroft: but regarding the situation i described above
12:48 PM roycroft: i'll admit that we were all young (early '20s), worked swing shift, and were pretty hard-core late night partiers
12:48 PM roycroft: i'm sure we would have offended even the kindest, most patient neighbors
12:48 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> the one neighbor is selling and had the fence line surveyed.. One of the new neighbors moved the new corner stake. so the surveyors needed to come out again. He finally fessed up to it - said 'I didn't know that was a servey stake..'
12:49 PM roycroft: that's bullshit
12:49 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> yep
12:49 PM Rab: I kept antagonizing them with the lawnmower, and they kept chasing and stinging me, and one day I went into shock. It seems that bee venom has a cumulative effect. So she got rid of the hive.
12:49 PM roycroft: what's funny is that when i was young i was highly allergic to bee stings
12:50 PM roycroft: but pretty much not at all any more - they hurt, but i don't get any grapefruit-size swelling any more
12:50 PM roycroft: perhaps it's because i avoided bees for so many years
12:50 PM Rab: Yeah, I dunno...getting stung had never had much of an effect, but now I carry Benadryl.
12:50 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I do feel 'achey and sort of sick' if I get stung more than a half a dozen times..
12:51 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> but it usually only last a day or so
12:51 PM xxcoder: stings do have memory effect, your stings becomes little bit sore if you got stung again elsewhere
12:51 PM Rab: Some people seem to tolerate getting stung hundreds of times, it was a handful for me.
12:53 PM Rab: <skunkworks8841@> #5 don't get married
12:53 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I certainly have witnessed the 'smell' effect from the bee stings. I got stun a couple times from a nest under a stair case. I walked by it (within 10ft) later that day and got stung again - same spot.
12:53 PM Rab: But married guys live longer, are you saying that increases the window of opportunity for problems?
12:53 PM roycroft: on a side note, because homeassistant was recommended to me by someone here, i thought i'd share my latest experience with it
12:54 PM roycroft: i am working on lighting still, and initially was controlling lamp fixtures with some receptacle switches that required calling home to china all the time, and were simple on/off devices
12:54 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> Rab it's also about quality of life
12:54 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> lol - I just haven't found the right one..
12:54 PM roycroft: i decided i wanted better control, and to contain the devices locally, so went researching them
12:54 PM roycroft: the overwhelming recommendation was to get the philips hue ambiance lamps
12:55 PM roycroft: and they look great, but they're very very expensive
12:55 PM roycroft: a 1600 lumen rgb +2.2k-6.5k white lamp goes for about $50, for example
12:55 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> Linus tech tips did a few videos on home assistant.. (wanted a local system that wasn't down when the internet was down)
12:55 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> he certainly had issues that needed to be worked through
12:56 PM roycroft: i just found some philips "smart led" lamps that are less than half the price, and they were easy to add and work great
12:56 PM roycroft: they require installing an app on an ios or android device, but that's only used for initial provisioning
12:56 PM roycroft: i had to connect to the website as part of the app setup, but did not have to set up an account
12:57 PM roycroft: i was able to configure the app settings to use local data, which prevented it from doing cloud provisioning
12:57 PM roycroft: the app is only needed to bluetooth pair to the lamp in order to provision the wifi parameters
12:58 PM roycroft: after that, homeassisant discovers the lamps, and one has total control of them through homeassistant
01:00 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> cloud was supposed to be better than local hosting until it wasn't, then local hosted cloud came along
01:01 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> personal cloud
01:03 PM roycroft: and as a comparison, i got a 1600 lumen rgb + 2.2k-6.5k white "smart led" lamp for $22.95, vs $50 for the "hue ambiance" lamps
01:03 PM roycroft: if all your home lighting is controlled by the cloud, then if you have an internet outage but not a power outage you have no lights
01:04 PM roycroft: i'm actually going to be setting up a separate wifi network just for the home automation stuff, and will completely isolate the network from the internet
01:05 PM roycroft: but regarding the smart led lamps vs the hue ambiance lamps, my understanding is that the only real difference is in the management software
01:05 PM roycroft: the hue ambiance lamps use an app that has pre-programmed "scenes" for different moods
01:05 PM roycroft: all that can be done in home assistant
01:06 PM roycroft: and perhaps if it were a one-time charge for the app that might make sense for some folks
01:06 PM roycroft: but when you get to pay double for each lamp you purchase, the feature makes no sense at all
01:07 PM roycroft: anyway, since folks talk up the hue ambiance lamps all the time i thought i'd share what i am using that costs less than half
01:12 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> I will invent remote personal cloud
01:15 PM xxcoder: there is no bottom to that
01:22 PM lcnc-relay: <roguish> roycroft: hey mr network. I need a seperate wifi network for my whole house audio system. they distribute the sound via wifi and sometimes it get crackly\
01:23 PM lcnc-relay: <roguish> I'm thinking it's because of all the other traffic on the wifi network.
01:28 PM roycroft: that could well be the case
01:28 PM roycroft: the easy thing to do would be to use 2.4GHz for one network and 5.8GHz for the other
01:29 PM roycroft: almost all wifi routers/access points these days support both frequency bands, and you can set up a separate SSID for each
01:30 PM roycroft: if your audio gear can handle it, 5.8GHz would be best for it, as a lot of other things such as microwave ovens and cell phones are in the 2.4GHz band and can cause interference
01:34 PM * roycroft is figuring out that building the controller for the minirouter that was gifted to him will probably cost more than the purchase price of the minirouter
01:34 PM roycroft: but that's just because i like to do things right
01:55 PM lcnc-relay: <roguish> roycroft: thanks for the info. the units are this: https://www.arylic.com/products/s10-wireless-preamplifier
01:55 PM lcnc-relay: <roguish> only 2.4 GHz
01:56 PM lcnc-relay: <roguish> my idea is use a subnet on an Access point. plug a seperate wifi router into a lan port on the main router.
01:57 PM lcnc-relay: <roguish> use static IPs, not dhcp
02:00 PM lcnc-relay: <roguish> roycroft: what do you think of ddwrt ????
02:11 PM JT-Shop: great Bloomington Gold sent the tickets using ics format... wtf do I do with that?
02:12 PM Rab: Do you have access to an iPhone?
02:15 PM JT-Shop: no
02:15 PM JT-Shop: tried one once then ran over it with my truck before tossing it in the trash
02:17 PM Rab: Alas!
02:17 PM Rab: Maybe the email with the ics includes a link to a printable or browser-viewable version?
02:21 PM JT-Shop: hmm it does have a link... now to figure out how to print it on one page minus the huge graphics lol
02:31 PM rdtsc-w: Got a microwave-motion-sensing LED bulb for the porch; works great; the house brick blocks it from triggering inside. Bulb doesn't get very good reviews though, because geniuses complain they nusiance-trip in closets... umm hello, microwaves go through thin doors...
02:32 PM Rab: JT-Shop, if it has a QR or barcode you can screenshot, that's probably all you need.
02:35 PM JT-Shop: I fingered out that I can select the portion of the email then hit reply then print that the abort the reply
02:40 PM Rab: The whole area of technology is truly despicable. I have an iPhone, which is able to recognize and incorporate ics attachments as a calendar event; once the ics is ingested, the Mail app automatically deletes the original email. No way to turn this behavior off. If the event was date+time for a Zoom meeting, and the actual meeting link was in the email...too bad!
02:41 PM Rab: You can dig it out of deleted items, but come on.
02:41 PM rmu: usually the link ends up in the calender entry
02:42 PM Rab: Sometimes, but often not. I think it depends on how the invite was created.
02:42 PM rdtsc-w: iPhoney
02:47 PM JT-Shop: trailer lights passed the test... on to the new deck boards
03:25 PM Tom_L: iPhooey
03:35 PM rdtsc-w: dunno which is better... iPhooey or Mandroid.
03:35 PM bjorkintosh: mandroid.
03:35 PM bjorkintosh: 'cause that's what I've got.
03:35 PM bjorkintosh: Final Answer.
03:49 PM roycroft: with the app i just installed it doesn't really matter, since it's only used to push the wifi credentials to the device
03:50 PM roycroft: i do have a cheap android tablet, though, that i use to manage homeassistant
03:50 PM roycroft: i just run the web browser in kiosk mode on that device, and have it mounted on a stand in my kitchen
03:52 PM roycroft: i might do something similar with a really small (cell phone sized) android device to mount by my front door for doing some basic lighting management
03:52 PM rdtsc-w: wish the Pinephone was more popular
03:59 PM JT-Shop: got the 2x12's moved back on the trailer... break time to catch my breath
04:27 PM JT-Shop: damn fly in my vino
04:28 PM roycroft: that is why the spanish invented tapas
04:30 PM JT-Shop: to eat flies before they get in your vino?
04:33 PM roycroft: well the flies blend in with the taste of the tapas, while keeping the vino pure
04:34 PM xxcoder: additional protein
04:34 PM xxcoder: 👍
04:36 PM Tom_L: the fly wouldn't drink that much anyway
04:37 PM JT-Shop: but it's annoying when it crawling around on your tongue
04:38 PM JT-Shop: it takes between 2-5 days before ABF picks up the lift so no clue when it will arrive
04:39 PM JT-Shop: I have a plan if I can complete it in time is the question...
04:44 PM roycroft: hmm
04:44 PM roycroft: it would be interesting to be able to manage/monitor linuxcnc with homeassistant
04:46 PM JT-Shop: the ducks are back!
04:50 PM roycroft: be kind to your web-footed friends/for that duck may be somebody's mother
04:50 PM xxcoder: watch ou for canadian geese thogh
04:51 PM JT-Shop: they have been leaving eggs for me so I take good care of them and provide them with duck paradise
04:51 PM JT-Shop: geese only hang in the lake near by
04:52 PM roycroft: canada geese are vicious creatures
04:52 PM roycroft: and i have never, once heard a canada goose say "sorry"
04:52 PM roycroft: i think they are all posers
04:53 PM roycroft: for that matter, i've never heard a loon say "sorry", but loons look sorry, so i guess they are legit canadians
04:58 PM JT-Shop: so now I have a legitimate excuse for not working on the trailer... don't want to disturb the ducks
05:01 PM Tom_L: we have alot of canadian geese here
05:03 PM JT-Shop: I've seen thousands of them in the fields near Dexter just to the east of here
05:05 PM JT-Shop: mrs just texted me that it's JT 6 squirrels 0
05:13 PM JT-Shop: actually she texted "another one bites the dust"
05:37 PM Tom_L: heh
05:46 PM Tom_L: too bad the geese are protected
05:52 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> @rdtsc-w "wish the Pinephone was more popular" lol
05:53 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> its like having linux, but on your phone
06:40 PM bjorkintosh: well big_kevin, with a terminal installed, any android phone is magically a *nix phone.
06:40 PM bjorkintosh: which it is anyway.
06:45 PM rdtsc: interesting... killed power to the Rpi5 last night (on purpose.) Today plugged the uSD card into main linux machine, and it's just sitting there, hitting it near constantly... then pops up some messages that filesystems were repaired - it's auto-repairing the corrupted uSD card
07:07 PM Tom_L: rdtsc, so that fixed your boot issue with the drivers?
07:28 PM rdtsc: no... i'd accidentally overwrote the kernel by doing an apt dist-upgrade instead of an apt upgrade, d'oh... was no way to save it
07:31 PM rdtsc: in trying, accidentally deleted the linux-image-bcm2712-rpi package, which was the death knell
07:32 PM rdtsc: so rebuilding.
07:33 PM lcnc-relay: <ccatlett1984@> always better to nuke from orbit 😄
07:33 PM rdtsc: was able to 'sudo scp' most of the files to another linux box, so have the files... just not all the apps and dependencies
07:34 PM rdtsc: I super-nuked it... then pulled the power cord, so filesystem was good and corrupted. ;)
07:55 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
08:54 PM roycroft: so shaper will have a major product announcement next week
08:55 PM roycroft: based on a 12 second teaser video it's almost certain to be some kind of fully-automated device
08:55 PM roycroft: it's interesting that the shaper community are pretty evenly split between speculation that it will be an add-on to the origin and that it will be a stand-alone product
09:28 PM xxcoder: maybe its robot arms you attach to table so it controls a shaper
09:39 PM mrec: rs: regarding the freecad offsetting issue: https://pastebin.com/gM9fVZHU
09:40 PM mrec: the radius is 12.56mm (before passing the values to clipper1 the numbers are upscaled)
09:41 PM mrec: offsetting by -4.5mm results in a radius of 8.0565279
09:41 PM mrec: while it should clearly be 8.06mm
09:42 PM mrec: I crosschecked the numbers with cavaliercontours which was recommended in the freecad chat, it's spot on.
09:43 PM mrec: (it's another offsetting library)
09:55 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I see those arm style plasmas being so popular... Could be like that with a router
11:18 PM lcnc-relay: <rhine_labs@> I helped pass a law https://youtu.be/YZmkYD7PabE