#linuxcnc Logs
Feb 15 2025
#linuxcnc Calendar
01:47 AM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> rifraf: I'd rather just convert the mill to cnc
02:21 AM Deejay: moin
03:35 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@> moin
03:35 AM Deejay: hey
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07:35 AM JT-Cave: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfYrbD-Lz0k
07:42 AM Deejay: no worky worky
07:43 AM Deejay: this video is not available
07:43 AM Deejay: it was removed by the uploader
07:53 AM JT-Cave: https://youtu.be/7JNW_tCmH0M
07:53 AM JT-Cave: I added more content to it
08:08 AM Deejay: ah
12:00 PM xxcoder: good morning
12:01 PM JT-Cave: and Flex just got better
12:02 PM JT-Cave: might get some snow tonight and Tuesday
12:03 PM roycroft: rain here all next week
12:18 PM xxcoder: JT-Cave: pretty cool on video
12:48 PM Unterhaus_ is now known as Unterhausen
01:14 PM JT-Shop: xxcoder, thanks that's been a long time coming
01:21 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> had snow the past few days, now the polar vortex all week
01:22 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> but only down to -20C at night
01:29 PM Deejay: bye, cya tomorrow
01:35 PM bjorkintosh: is the opposite of 'moin' 'niom'?
01:35 PM * bjorkintosh thinks not.
01:36 PM xxcoder: it is, in certain point of view
01:39 PM roycroft: no, the opposite of moin is oaic
01:40 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> hasta la byebye
01:42 PM bjorkintosh: hahaha
01:42 PM bjorkintosh: ciao
01:43 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> vederhosen and take the pants with you
01:43 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> I think i have to learn Italian...
01:44 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> I find myself speaking fake Italian quite regularly. It's one of the best languages to yell at machines that act up.
01:45 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> scolding big metal with hand gestures
01:45 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> hahaha we do that at work, but because one of the owners is second gen italian and acks like a (derogority term)
01:46 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> yeah it's fun
01:46 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> we do the hand motions to him , "hey thats cultural appropriation"
01:47 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> I also label anything that I need to label in fake German even though I was fluent as a child
01:47 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> from halfway accross the factory "hes talking to mike right now, you can tell hes mad, look at how fast his hands are going"
01:47 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> haha
01:48 PM xxcoder: just watch some really ticked off deaf person
01:48 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> we have some german machines at work
01:48 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> https://www.schleuniger.com/en/products/cut/
01:49 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> " i feel uncomfortable calling it that, lets just call it the wire machine"
01:49 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> just to make other people uncomfortable
01:53 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> spritzenfoamer = spray bottle of soapy water
01:55 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> what is the biggest hammer that your shop keeps around to "fix" things?
01:57 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> the millwright
01:57 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> https://madeinusatools.com/product/lead-alloy-sledgehammer-with-soft-cushion-handle/ we must have 50 of these
01:57 PM roycroft: i have a 10lb sledge hammer
01:58 PM roycroft: it's mostly good for "fixing" things that are in my way by making them not be in my way any more
01:58 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> last week some guys were taking down on of the old lines, and i can hear the smashing
01:58 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> "did you take out the bolts on the other side i showed you? "
01:59 PM roycroft: "that's what we're doing now - taking them out with the sledge hammer"
01:59 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> thing just fell apart after they took the bolts out
02:00 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> "stop playing with that pile of caustic powder"
02:00 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> I have a surprise one week vacation this week, time to step up the job search
02:01 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> might not have any jobs for me anywhere if these tariffs go through
02:02 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> one guy was on vacation last week when he found out he has another next week
02:02 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> I'm going back to engineering, my brain started working again
02:04 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> the machines at work are held together by chipcrete
02:04 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> hardened chips and coolant
02:06 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> takes an air chisel to cut through it, coolant also dissolves it but that takes too long
02:08 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> yeck.
02:08 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I guess the K&T had that - but it was cast iron shavings.. Probably worse
02:08 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@> lol yeah i found out the light in the machne was white and not dark yellow when i started cleaning it with coolant
02:08 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> https://photos.app.goo.gl/NACCLH7ShshCaCTz8
02:11 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> under the machines it's even worse
02:11 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> because I seem to always like to do things twice..
02:11 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> https://photos.app.goo.gl/Gm61xkWizKVx3Do58
02:11 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> https://photos.app.goo.gl/gsS4vvyPNriGY1Gi9
02:11 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> (that actually fits in the box on the monarch..)
02:12 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> "now get down there and find the leaks"
02:12 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> yeck
02:12 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> you mean everything?
02:13 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> yes - yeck - everything lol
02:13 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> They used to get down there like that. I showed them a better way
02:15 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> I shovel out the oil absorbent mats, then pour a bottle of dish detergent all over it
02:15 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> add water from a hose and use a broom to swish it around, then suck it all up with a giant 1,000 gal shop vac
02:40 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> skunkworks8841@ is the DC servo drive used?
02:40 PM lcnc-relay: <unterhausen@> You could start a youtube channel of washing out the absorbent mats. All the people that watch the carpet cleaning videos would subscribe
02:41 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> how about the "shop rag channel" ? 🙂
02:43 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> the mats with the layers of bacteria are even more fun
02:44 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> under the tool carousels is the worst
02:45 PM xxcoder: yep watched couple of those rug washing videos. cleaning mats you could form a channel basis on that lol
02:45 PM xxcoder: form a business and offer discount if you can film yourself cleaning em
02:46 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> https://www.homedepot.com/p/VEVOR-Spill-Absorbent-Pads-Universal-Absorbing-Mat-Absorbs-up-12-Gal-13-in-L-x-10-in-W-Polypropylene-Spill-Absorber-for-oil-FYCKZYPTYXXS5YJ6NV0/330872430
02:47 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> they collect them and somebody presses them like olives
02:47 PM bjorkintosh: how is it that I suddenly see vevor everywhere?
02:48 PM bjorkintosh: at a point in time, they didn't exist and now every other thing is made by vevor.
02:48 PM xxcoder: im just waiting for vevor ev
02:49 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> Vevor is a Chinese company based in Shanghai.
02:49 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> hey - I transfered the 8 holes from the mesa card - center punched then drilled and tapped. They all lined up. (good enough that all the screws threaded into the standoffs..
02:49 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> done with a pencil..
02:49 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> yay
02:49 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> Vevor's business model involves reselling products from other manufacturers. Vevor has been able to compete with industry giants like Grainger by offering competitive prices.
02:50 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> Grainger with less greed
02:50 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> for now
02:51 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> https://photos.app.goo.gl/QnQFYivkfPwNASMbA
02:52 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> Did you hear that the Temu warehouse burned down? Total loss....
02:52 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> $53.47
02:52 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> lol
03:12 PM bjorkintosh: Grainger is owned by kkr.
03:12 PM bjorkintosh: the greediest of the greediest bastards that ever greedied greed.
03:13 PM bjorkintosh: I'll never forgive them for destroying toys R us
03:13 PM bjorkintosh: then again, they don't care!
03:13 PM xxcoder: lemme guess. private equality investment?
03:16 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> lol - I was trying to explain that to my son. He is 9 and was wondering why shopko, sears and kmart went out of business..
03:16 PM xxcoder: companies that buy company, make it take out massive loan, cut stuff down as much and make it make as much money as possible, then sell it off before it crashes
03:16 PM xxcoder: imho it should be illegal
03:17 PM memleak: i thought it was, it's called a short sale right?
03:17 PM xxcoder: not same
03:17 PM xxcoder: https://pestakeholder.org/news/dont-blame-the-shrimp-how-private-equity-is-bankrupting-america/
03:18 PM bjorkintosh: show this to him, skunkworks https://www.newyorker.com/cartoon/a16995
03:19 PM xxcoder: one of best ny comics I think
03:19 PM memleak: i think "inside her trading" is pretty fun.
03:20 PM bjorkintosh: if you're not on the inside, you're the one left holding the basket.
03:20 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> bjorkintosh: yep
03:22 PM memleak: i thought if you're not on the inside, you're the one holding the camera.
03:23 PM bjorkintosh: memleak: that would assume then there's a whistle blower in the loop.
03:24 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> https://www.tastingtable.com/1655532/defunct-grocery-stores/
03:27 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> is the corruption in China really any worse than here in the US?
03:29 PM bjorkintosh: it's rich people screwing over we the poors.
03:29 PM bjorkintosh: story as old as time itself.
03:29 PM xxcoder: hmm dr flo hour long video on cnc router making
03:30 PM bjorkintosh: doesn't matter where you find them, if they're rich enough they're beyond human empathy ( glaring at Melon Skum)
03:33 PM xxcoder: yeah that video is about some cnc router kit. pretty expensive one too lol. skipping it
03:35 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> bjorkintosh: https://imgur.com/IlswQx1
03:36 PM bjorkintosh: wow!
03:36 PM bjorkintosh: I've been saying that for years. specifically a tweeting guillotine!!
03:37 PM bjorkintosh: Eat the rich. great book too.
03:37 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> trying to find the charts on wealth disparity, French revolution vs now
03:39 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> it's worse in the US vs France at the start of the revolt
03:41 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.@> https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/comments/1h66pye/ive_seen_this_graph_about_wealth_distribution/ good discussion
05:20 PM Unterhaus_ is now known as Unterhausen
05:53 PM xxcoder: interesting blondihack today
06:00 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> lol... fluf content
06:01 PM xxcoder: yeah she usually do something like that each other week. I still enjoy em anyway
06:02 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I guess I have been cutting off screws multible ways since I was a kid. IF they are small enough - you can grind them shorter with a belt sander pretty darn quick
06:02 PM xxcoder: not sure if she owns one?
06:02 PM xxcoder: I dont recall ever seeing one, but same time my memory sucks
06:03 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> good question. maybe not - she says filing the taper back on the screw. (which is also way quicker/easier with a belt sander.
06:03 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> bigger stuff - I ususally cut a slot in a board and cut them off with the bandsaw
06:04 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> (so the edge to slot is the length I need)
06:07 PM xxcoder: one thing I really love about blondihack is she never hides errors
06:07 PM xxcoder: her fix is cool though
06:16 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> yes - watch wes work is the same//
06:16 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I just saw the video were he almost kills himself reving a car - moves forward and pins him between the door and the lift.. IT was scary
06:28 PM xxcoder: ow
06:38 PM roycroft: i've been trying to sell some appliances that came with the house for almost a year, but nobody has been interested
06:38 PM roycroft: the st vinnie's up here did not even want them, although i could haul them down to eugene and donate them there
06:38 PM roycroft: so i just took them to the recycling center
06:39 PM roycroft: now i have room to bring my belt grinder and 7x12 bandsaw up from the old shop - the only two machines left there
06:39 PM roycroft: i am starting to see the light at the end of the moving tunnel
06:51 PM xxcoder: nice
06:54 PM roycroft: yeah
06:55 PM roycroft: i have a workbench and welding table to move still, that don't have new homes yet, and a solvent cabinet to move that does have a new home, and then a few boxes of stuff that can go in storage for now
06:55 PM roycroft: other than that, a few more trips to the dump and i'll be done
06:55 PM roycroft: if i can get a helper i may get the belt grinder and bandsaw tomorrow
06:56 PM roycroft: if not i may try to load the solvent cabinet myself tomorrow
06:56 PM roycroft: i think once it's emptied i can wrestle it up on the pickup bed myself
06:57 PM roycroft: i don't think i can move it into its new home myself, though, but i can probably put it somewhere temporarily where it will be covered
06:57 PM roycroft: the belt grinder is what i really want/need - so many times i've needed to use it since i moved here but couldn't
06:58 PM roycroft: i brought a little 6" bench grinder up here and that has helped with some things, but i really need my belt grinder
07:04 PM rifraf: when you upgrade tool post but think the old one will still be useful https://desire3d.com/images/public/dualtoolpost2.jpg https://desire3d.com/images/public/dualtoolpost3.jpg
07:08 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZndid8F7uI
07:12 PM memleak: Joco is sorting out the issues with the pyside6 branch of qtpyvcp. I'm not going to worry about it for this image, but the next one as it's going to take some time to sort all the issues out and considered at least somewhat stable
07:13 PM memleak: qtpy is switching to pure qt6 at the end of this month in gentoo so pyside6 will be the only way it'll work
07:13 PM memleak: gentoo is dropping all qt5 support in stages.
10:31 PM memleak: andypugh_, your rtai install script is broken: https://www.linuxcnc.org/linuxcnc-install.sh
10:32 PM memleak: it completely hosed apt
10:35 PM memleak: conflicting values for option Signed-By regarding source linuxcnc.org bookworm: /etc/apt/trusted.gpg/linuxcnc.gpg.key.binary.gpg != /usr/share/keyrings/linuxcnc.gpg
10:35 PM memleak: wait.. that's for uspace
10:38 PM memleak: "This kernel and LinuxCNC version can be installed on top of the Live DVD install, or alternatively on a fresh Install of Debian Bookworm 64-bit as described above."
10:39 PM memleak: well.. "above" is for preempt_rt instructions.
10:41 PM memleak: https://imgur.com/bOgOTiP
10:41 PM memleak: right click -> open image in new tab, text too small otherwise
10:42 PM memleak: also the docs should be more clear and say "deb http://linuxcnc.org bookworm base" must be added to sources.list
10:43 PM memleak: it just says "The RTAI kernels are available for download from the linuxcnc.org debian archive. The apt source is: blah blah blah"
10:43 PM memleak: a new user won't know to modify sources.list (or i guess it's now /etc/apt/sources.list.d/newfilehere)
10:53 PM memleak: reinstalling debian because i can't get past "conflicting values for option Signed-By regarding source" stuff
10:54 PM memleak: and i don't know how to fix it. that script completely broke the test system.
10:57 PM memleak: removing /etc/apt/trusted.gpg/linuxcnc.gpg.key.binary.gpg and /usr/share/keyrings/linuxcnc.gpg had no effect
10:57 PM memleak: removing the key stuff from /etc/apt/sources.list.d/linuxcnc.list also didnt work
10:58 PM memleak: goes to show how fucking fragile debian is.
10:59 PM memleak: i've never seen portage take a dump like this.
11:02 PM lcnc-relay: <ccatlett1984@> prolly the bad cached stuffs
11:56 PM memleak: ok now wtf, i installed 5.4.258 linux-image and linux-headers, linuxcnc 2.9.3 and then i get "missing rtapi.conf. check your installation"
11:57 PM memleak: i could probably build a new rtai kernel and linuxcnc faster than it would take than try to fix this...
11:57 PM memleak: everything isn't working
11:58 PM memleak: https://linuxcnc.org/dists/bookworm/2.9-rt/binary-amd64/linuxcnc_2.9.3_amd64.deb <- broken