#linuxcnc Logs
Jan 11 2025
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:09 AM rifraf: Tom_L , had success with that servo driver, i/o working well now , https://youtu.be/SikDeMiU4sM
12:29 AM xxcoder: rifraf: thats cool
12:41 AM rifraf: xxcoder cheers am so happy, wanted the rotary axis to be both speed and position control dynamically for a year now
12:42 AM xxcoder: :)
12:58 AM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> jpa-: Do you know if it's possible to map. Physical buttons to nativecam?
01:21 AM Deejay: moin
01:23 AM jpa-: vibram@: you can control it mostly with keyboard, but other than that i think it would require modifying the code
01:47 AM lcnc-relay: <voiditswarranty@> roycroft: eliminates the round trip to an NTP server outside the local network through an internet connection with varying stability. The issue is how timesyncd shifts anything greater than a delta of 0.4s in a single jump instead of slewing. Confirmed by some only seeing this cause issues with linuxcnc when their ISP is worse. So if I'm running an NTP proxy on my CAD machine and the pi is pointing timesyncd at that, it's...
01:47 AM lcnc-relay: ... not likely to be off between checks by more than the round trip time over my lan.
01:52 AM lcnc-relay: <voiditswarranty@> * 30s
01:54 AM lcnc-relay: <voiditswarranty@> eliminates the round trip to an NTP server outside the local network through an internet connection with varying stability. The issue is how timesyncd shifts anything greater than a delta of 30s in a single jump instead of slewing. Confirmed by some only seeing this cause issues with linuxcnc on a pi < 5 when their ISP is worse. So if I'm running an NTP proxy on my CAD machine and the pi is pointing timesyncd at that, it's...
01:54 AM lcnc-relay: ... not likely to be off between checks by more than the round trip time over my lan.
01:54 AM lcnc-relay: <voiditswarranty@> eliminates the round trip to an NTP server outside the local network through an internet connection with varying stability. The issue is how timesyncd shifts anything greater than a delta of 30s in a single jump instead of slewing. Confirmed by some only seeing this cause issues with linuxcnc on a pi < 5 (the 5 has an RTC and manages timesync a little differently) when their ISP is worse. So if I'm running an NTP proxy on...
01:54 AM lcnc-relay: ... my CAD machine and the pi is pointing timesyncd at that, it's not likely to be off between checks by more than the round trip time over my lan.
02:00 AM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> jpa-: And where is the code please? I'm not very comfortable with coding but I can have a look at least
02:01 AM xxcoder: void please try not to edit your text, it repeats :)
02:01 AM jpa-: vibram@: https://github.com/FernV/NativeCAM
02:01 AM jpa-: vibram@: though i must say i don't really understand the purpose of connecting it to a physical button
02:05 AM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> https://forum.linuxcnc.org/media/kunena/attachments/24550/IMG_20240818_085127.jpg
02:06 AM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> I try to integrate this conversational panel
02:06 AM lcnc-relay: <vibram@> You have physical button for predefined operations
03:23 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
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11:13 AM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> hey guys, some time ago i took pictures of the PCBs of the wireless pendant XHC WHB04B and then completely forgot about them. do you think there's someone who would want them?
02:05 PM xxcoder: might want to post em at forum?
02:05 PM xxcoder: more long term
03:34 PM xxcoder: fun blondihack today
03:34 PM xxcoder: very rarely not fun honestly
03:51 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> sometimes it is good that harbor freight has cheap tools
03:52 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> https://photos.app.goo.gl/5f8KUb6qD5yq7oRV6
03:52 PM xxcoder: tools? you mean tool kits ;)
04:05 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I swapped out the spool valve on the tractor for one that actually had a single acting spool. (it makes me feel better)
05:26 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> xxcoder: I've tried posting them on the forum, but they forum still lives in the 2000's and the photo size limit is 1.6mb >_<'
05:28 PM xxcoder: doh
05:28 PM xxcoder: its quite old site after all
05:28 PM xxcoder: not sure who to ask in order to alter that
05:28 PM Tom_L: scale em down
05:28 PM Tom_L: somebody has to pay for the space
05:29 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> i also have a difficulty selecting proper forum section. there isn't anything explicityly dedicated to peripherials so i'll just dump them in the general computer hardware
06:23 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> oh come one! to many links?! first can't upload them, now I can't link them?
06:24 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> *on
06:31 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> https://forum.linuxcnc.org/18-computer/55006-xhc-whb04b-photos-of-the-pcb
06:32 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> this was more complicated that it had to. >_<'
06:32 PM xxcoder: nice picture
06:32 PM xxcoder: vry clear and sharp
06:43 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> taken with potato cam, so it's a miracle the ICs are somewhat readable.
06:43 PM xxcoder: well it must have been fresh potato lol
06:45 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> it was my old phone, Lenovo P2. It had relatively bad camera cause google never enabled AR functionality on it.
06:45 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> iit took decent photos, sure.
06:46 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> but in video mode it kept doing the auto-focus. you could see it get blurry every few seconds.
06:46 PM xxcoder: that sucks
06:47 PM xxcoder: I miss my moto x4. that sure had very good camera
06:47 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> yea, but it's no longer my problem. the phone is shelved now. after 7 years google sait they won't support NFC payments so i had to buy a new one anyway.
06:48 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> still rocking a pixel 4 5g
06:48 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> I paid through the nose but got myself the S24, in hopes i'll get at least another 7 years with it.
06:48 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> (that I bought used)
06:49 PM xxcoder: moto 5g 2024 model for me. both of em
06:49 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> they promised 5y of OS updates and 7y of security patches
06:49 PM xxcoder: one used for internet and one for usual phone
06:49 PM xxcoder: visible seems to be good so far
06:49 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> _googles for moto G5_
06:49 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I have been using visible for a few years now. no issues
06:49 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> (upgraded from tracfone)
06:50 PM xxcoder: nice. I think I will port my google fi phone one to visible
06:50 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I did use mint for a bit between - but their coverage around me sucked)
06:50 PM xxcoder: fi was amazing bunch of years ago when there was no good cheap unlimited data
06:51 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> tracfone at the time didn't have unlimited data..
06:51 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I don't now if they do now.
06:51 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> my daughter is also on visible and so far so good
06:52 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> time to watch blondihacks.
06:53 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> tho i'm getting a felling she's starting to milk this project, compared to what other youtubers can do in a week.
06:53 PM xxcoder: I checked fi, they now have unlimited for 80 for 2, or 40 single lol
06:53 PM xxcoder: visable is still cheaper at 25
06:53 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> right
06:53 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> i don't know if it's just me or if she did a lot more stuff per episode in the past.
06:53 PM xxcoder: heck its still cheaper than my current fi plan of $35
06:53 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> never tried fi
06:54 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> you pay $35?!
06:54 PM xxcoder: inner dunno but I like blondihack just fine
06:54 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> i pay 35PLN, which is like 1/4 of that!
06:54 PM xxcoder: and yeah 35. it was much cheaper than next best plan at $80 something
06:54 PM xxcoder: saved me so much money back then
06:54 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> welcom to the united states
06:54 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> why is everything so freaking expensive over there?
06:55 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> that is cheap.. most people spend hundreds of dollars and 2 year subs...
06:55 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> hmm...
06:55 PM xxcoder: usa can sell wood houses for hundred thousands dollars, usa jknow they can sell expensive
06:55 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> maybe i need a salary reference
06:55 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> what is the average pay for an entry level worker?
06:56 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> but but - I get customer support....
06:56 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> lol. XD
06:56 PM xxcoder: usually, minium wage which isnt enough for one person to live on their own
06:56 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> this ^
06:56 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> as expected, so what is a living wage?
06:57 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> depends on where you are living
06:57 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> it is all over the place from the east to west coast
06:57 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> (i know the wages in the US are messed up with now, you guys are due for a revolution, i tell you)
06:57 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> i need a ballpark to compare to Polish wages to see how expensive $35 actually is
06:57 PM xxcoder: anyway, yeah I think I will go for visible on next month or somthing
06:58 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> gimme a range that your salary migt or might not be in 😄
06:59 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> honetly - I don't know. it really depends on where you live in the US
06:59 PM xxcoder: zero for me lol. unemployed due to health
06:59 PM xxcoder: and yep
06:59 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> around here - you can probably get by with aorund 50k a year. but that would be pushing it
07:00 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> ok, so that's roughly 4k/month
07:00 PM Tom_L: a 100k house in the midwest would go for probably above 750k on the left coast
07:00 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> right
07:00 PM Tom_L: and that's in the 1000-1500 sq ft range
07:00 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> right
07:01 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> in Poland currently 4.6k PLN/month is minimal wage, a decent wage is like 8-10k/month
07:01 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> so we can agree it's prety much 1:1
07:01 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> a lot of people are hurting here. I don't know how they do it.
07:01 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> i don't live there and i feel sorry for them
07:01 PM Tom_L: alot more homeless here everywhere you look
07:02 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> the things I see and hear from the internet, my blood boils!
07:02 PM xxcoder: more empty houses than homeless
07:02 PM xxcoder: thats wird thing about usa
07:02 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> and I never was in US nor do I have anyone there
07:02 PM Tom_L: for the average worker things are just barely out of reach
07:03 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> omg, the houses! dude...
07:03 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> just knowing why this happens makes my knife open in my pocket
07:03 PM Tom_L: takes 2 incomes nowdays
07:03 PM xxcoder: lots places where 2 incomes isnt enough
07:03 PM Tom_L: unless you don't want much from life
07:04 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> i've watched so many docs about the houses being bought by greedy businesses to rent for profit
07:04 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I may not agree with how abom79 does things - but he sure is good at braising
07:04 PM Tom_L: first time buyers are being bought out by investors
07:04 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> lol, agree skunkworks
07:04 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> Tom, let's call it by the real name, scalpers.
07:04 PM xxcoder: I had given up on that channel abom
07:05 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I don't watch him very often..
07:06 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> it lots all signs or being an investment long ago. now it's just pure exploitation.
07:07 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> and not to get too political - we just voted in someone who isn't probably in our best interest..
07:07 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> wait - did I just get political?
07:07 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> an investment was when someone put down lots of money to build homes and sell them for profit on the fair market. today so called "investments" businesses buy out all the houses they can just to let them sit vacant so that they can create artificial scarcity and hike the rent prices through the roof!
07:07 PM Tom_L: uh huh
07:08 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> lol
07:08 PM Tom_L: skunkworks, let's not start another channel war mkay??
07:08 PM Tom_L: jk....
07:08 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> so... what are your latest CNC projects? XD
07:09 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I was able to buy a build and then buy a house. but I could see the writing ont he wall.. That isn't something joe blow could do anymore.
07:09 PM Tom_L: testing and help building a gui builder
07:09 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> i did these: https://fuelrats.cloud/s/dEAAMLjDMdZWJx6
07:09 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> Tom_L : I will test it..
07:09 PM Tom_L: kindof a fun project
07:09 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I will
07:09 PM Tom_L: words..
07:10 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> lol
07:10 PM Tom_L: i'm sure you if anybody would
07:10 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> live tom.. live
07:10 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> life tom... life
07:10 PM Tom_L: he just added gradients to his qss builder which i found kinda cool
07:10 PM Tom_L: i'm aware...
07:11 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:443/~webpage/cnc/JT-SHOP/flexgui/gradients.png
07:11 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> (I am in a pretty good spot though... So - that is good)
07:11 PM Tom_L: to preselect a 'theme' for your widgets
07:11 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> i wonder, does cross-posting work on discord? or do you need to join the server to view?
07:11 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> https://discord.com/channels/95939325623013376/144783453643210752/1313536095933304854
07:11 PM xxcoder: that doesnt work
07:11 PM Tom_L: i don't think it works
07:12 PM Tom_L: pops up and want's me to join discord
07:13 PM xxcoder: it must be different server, its unknown to me
07:13 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> i re-posted in off-topic
07:13 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> https://discord.com/channels/970073318357078036/970073761770512384/1327805303843983502
07:13 PM Tom_L: nope
07:13 PM lcnc-relay: <xxcoder@> direct link https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/970073761770512384/1327805303240265852/20241203_183553.mp4?ex=6784668d&is=6783150d&hm=d08c5e175114fc774b1d551cdb2ea0ba6a7cbad7e1c61a95b908ffb60672cae2&
07:13 PM lcnc-relay: <xxcoder@> direct link https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/970073761770512384/1327805303240265852/20241203_183553.mp4?ex=6784668d&is=6783150d&hm=d08c5e175114fc774b1d551cdb2ea0ba6a7cbad7e1c61a95b908ffb60672cae2&
07:13 PM xxcoder: ugh forgot that urls double
07:14 PM Tom_L: save file as....
07:14 PM xxcoder: ad owner I can still embed links
07:14 PM xxcoder: *as
07:14 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> i don't know how to make IRC and discord agree, sorry
07:14 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> lol - I am on both discord and irc..
07:14 PM xxcoder: me too
07:14 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> so I go to one or the other depending on what I want to do
07:15 PM Tom_L: i allowed it to view... pretty cool
07:15 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> discord is just convenient on my phone...
07:15 PM xxcoder: I have montior thats 90% for irc so I usually chat here by default
07:15 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> actually this was not my latest project lol. the latest one was a meat tenderizer i made as an x-mass present for my mom XD
07:16 PM Tom_L: i don't usually do 'projects' but try to do alot of testing things
07:16 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I used to do both
07:16 PM Tom_L: i've run a few parts for a guy in canada but that's been a while
07:17 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> oh - I just do stuff for me. lol
07:17 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> well - I did a job for a farmer recently.. but that was pretty rare
07:17 PM Tom_L: i made him a tool to speed up bending a part
07:17 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:443/~webpage/rue/Can_Holder/A9_Bender/assembly2.jpg
07:17 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/970073761770512384/1327806367356026951/VID-20241219-WA0012.mp4?ex=6784678b&is=6783160b&hm=28713e94833a741798f0032e482d7e1b1d028b30d4d22e4d7ba3dd942de0d6a2&
07:18 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/970073761770512384/1327806414764114032/IMG-20241226-WA0000.jpg?ex=67846796&is=67831616&hm=839c5a0c6873e380d88029ca87a0ab8718bb3052cce742cd408fe11593d12b9e&
07:18 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> neat!
07:18 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> Tom_L so a jig? 😄
07:18 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:443/~webpage/rue/Can_Holder/A9_New/final/A9_final1.jpg
07:19 PM Tom_L: to bend those tabs
07:19 PM Tom_L: that gets cut and holds a spray can around the neck
07:19 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> wait - how did you post a picture/
07:19 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> I thought that wasn't allowed anymore
07:19 PM xxcoder: discord auto embed
07:19 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@> cool!
07:20 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> i bet he posted an URL in IRC and discord just discords.
07:20 PM xxcoder: you can click open in browser, copy url
07:20 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> btw, how do you like the leather patches?
07:21 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> i've done several so far. one for myself with my cat thing (see avatar), one for my mom's handcrafting stuff, one for the fuel rats and one for Hutton Orbital truckers
07:21 PM Tom_L: innerbushman, yes i have a fixture plate i can run 4-5 parts from with a common x0 y0
07:21 PM Tom_L: different parts
07:22 PM xxcoder: irc dont have avators an it dont work across bridge anyway :)
07:22 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bi7eF-gECxI
07:23 PM Tom_L: he winds his own springs and wasn't getting consistency he wanted so i set him up with a spring bender
07:23 PM Tom_L: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lonf4ypINVM
07:23 PM Tom_L: simple
07:23 PM xxcoder: emboss thing is cool
07:24 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> Tom_L I love it!
07:24 PM Tom_L: just a simple helix
07:25 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> i love the idea.
07:25 PM Tom_L: they come out consistent now
07:25 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> _steals the idea and shoves it into his idea pocket._
07:25 PM Tom_L: he was using a V spring and they were breaking under fatigue so i talked him into using a coil
07:26 PM Tom_L: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOFYApGVcQI
07:26 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> speaking of pallets... I remember when i ordered a custom table for a CNC i built at my previous work.
07:26 PM Tom_L: running slow cause i was still testing the idea there
07:26 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> the guy responsible for ordering stuff made a big mistake and ordered it in steel, when i specified aluminium,
07:26 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> X
07:27 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> man, was it heavy XD
07:27 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> i had to reduce acceleration on Y to like 500m/s^2 to not trip the servos
07:27 PM xxcoder: did you get money back
07:28 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> no we did not. it wasn't the supplier's fault our guy made a mistake XD
07:28 PM xxcoder: doh
07:28 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> i bet the plate still sits there, in the corner
07:29 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> it was a lovely plate, with M8 threaded holes every 50mm
07:29 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> 500x500 working area plus some overhang for the linear rails to bolt to.
07:30 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> my designs are weird in that way i put the bearings stationary under the spindle and the rails upside down under the table
07:31 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> so the overall length of the table is longer than the working area
07:33 PM Tom_L: tab bender: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:443/~webpage/rue/Can_Holder/A9_New/MODS/fixture/A9_Fixture17.jpg
07:33 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:443/~webpage/rue/Can_Holder/A9_New/MODS/fixture/A9_Fixture18.jpg
07:33 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:443/~webpage/rue/Can_Holder/A9_New/MODS/fixture/A9_Fixture21.jpg
07:33 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> the steel table was around 4.5k PLN. when i found out, i was almost crying. for that kind of money i could have a profesional touch probe!!!
07:34 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> Tom_L lovely!
07:35 PM Tom_L: folder full of pics there
07:35 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> the funny part was i wanted to make the table in-house, for cheap. i just needed a hunk of material. but my (at the time) boss insisted i give him the drawings and "he'll handle it!"
07:36 PM Tom_L: mine has more table than workspace as well
07:37 PM xxcoder: its nice to be able to mount stuff outside workspace
07:37 PM xxcoder: like 4th axis
07:38 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> yea, my build had no front and back walls so you could have the 4'th axis hanging in the back no problem
07:38 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:443/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Assembly/Final/chip_guards/Chip_guard4.jpg
07:38 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> as a mater of fact, i have a ghetto 4'th axis at my garage CNC build.
07:39 PM xxcoder: is clothes clips still hanging on?
07:39 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> but i'm still experimenting with FreeCAD's CAM workbench and 4 axis ops
07:40 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:443/~webpage/cnc/rotary/Rotary1.jpg
07:40 PM xxcoder: yeah? cool on 4th axis
07:40 PM Tom_L: put a stepper on that finally
07:40 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> yea!
07:40 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> i'd love to have a rotary table i could motorize
07:41 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:443/~webpage/cnc/rotary/mount/Rotary_mount12.jpg
07:41 PM xxcoder: you new on freecad cam, or just extending it to 4th axis inner?>
07:41 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> right now i'm using a salvaged 3.6:1 planetary reduction gearbox as a spindle for my 4'th axis, and a 4-jaw chuck slapped on the end.
07:42 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> xxcoder, no, i play with it for years now. but the 4-axis stuff is still very experimental
07:42 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> they'll get there eventually 🙂
07:43 PM xxcoder: cool:) never got around to learning cam stuff on freecad
07:43 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> it's prety easy and straighforward once you know what you're doing.
07:43 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> i suggest learning creating templates early
07:43 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> saves time seting up jobs in the future
07:44 PM xxcoder: tom was trying to learn cam fairly recently
07:45 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> i wanted to go into fusion 360 mostly because of the CAM, but abandoned it when i found out there's no way to run it on linux
07:45 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> before freecad i was using HeeksCNC
07:45 PM xxcoder: tried to run it in VM but it detects and refuses lol
07:45 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> but they absorbed his code since it wasn't updated much
07:46 PM * roycroft strongly recommends avoiding fusion 360 like the plague unless one is willing and able to pay the full license fee
07:46 PM xxcoder: or put up with rug pulls
07:46 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> this^
07:46 PM Tom_L: there are no free 'good' solutions
07:46 PM xxcoder: someone complained recently about losing ability to do multitool with fusion
07:46 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> depends on definition of good
07:47 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> XD
07:47 PM roycroft: the freeish and less then full price licenses change without notice far too frequently
07:47 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> i don't know what's the curent status of the experimental features in freeCAD's CAM but i was already able to do 3D surface few years ago.
07:47 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> if i can learn to use the 4-axis miling on it, i'll be golden.
07:47 PM * roycroft is almost finished with his window casing
07:48 PM Tom_L: compared to what i'm used to it's pretty clunky for lack of a better term
07:48 PM roycroft: i can't use my router table yet, and doing the roundover for the fillet piece was a challenge
07:48 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> Tom which one?
07:48 PM Tom_L: freecad
07:48 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> yea, freeCAD has it's challenges.
07:48 PM roycroft: it took me a while to get an ad-hoc router table set up that could support that piece, but i got it done
07:48 PM Tom_L: i've got some old commercial cad cam i use
07:48 PM roycroft: i use solidworks for most of my 3d modeling
07:49 PM xxcoder: its no surpise that cam that dont have millions of dollars developing it is clunky
07:49 PM Tom_L: and i've used sw, catia and smartcam
07:49 PM xxcoder: its pretty good but yeah
07:49 PM roycroft: now that freecad finaly has basic funcionality (after 20+ years), i'm going do a deep dive with it when i have the time
07:49 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> i use FreeCAD only cause i'v got tired with the constant rug-pulls with the "free license for personal use"
07:49 PM xxcoder: roy assembly?
07:50 PM roycroft: yes
07:50 PM roycroft: and even that is not too solid yet
07:50 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> for 2D i just use the very basic LibreCAD and i'm fine with the limitations that it imposes.
07:50 PM Tom_L: i went the commercial route 30 yrs ago and it paid for itself the first year
07:50 PM roycroft: but at least it's official, and as they improve it, old assemblies won't be orphaned
07:50 PM Tom_L: now i can still enjoy using it
07:50 PM xxcoder: I saved one of videos tom linked to so I can try it evenually
07:50 PM roycroft: i still use autocad for 2d stuff - i've been using it for decades and have no compelling reason to switch
07:51 PM roycroft: i also don't pay for support any more, and thus am running an old version, but it still does what i need to do well enough
07:51 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> the old one with lifetime license?
07:51 PM Tom_L: same here
07:51 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> c
07:51 PM Tom_L: mine had a hardware dongle
07:51 PM * roycroft avoids rentalware like the plague
07:52 PM Tom_L: i got rid of that the first year of ownership
07:52 PM Tom_L: :)
07:52 PM roycroft: before you lost it ...
07:52 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> the push for montly/yearly subscription model is a plague!
07:52 PM Tom_L: the whole world want's rent nowdays
07:52 PM roycroft: autocad tried using hardware dongles way back when
07:52 PM roycroft: like in version 12 or so
07:53 PM Tom_L: for them pay per view is ideal
07:53 PM roycroft: that did not last long, even though it was the '80s and hardware dongles were fairly common
07:53 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> hey, i can live with DRM. what i don't accept is taking away ownership from me.
07:53 PM roycroft: yes, i want software i purchase to continue working as long as i have a hardware and os platform that will run it
07:55 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> software is a tool
07:55 PM roycroft: speaking of the '80s, the window i am casing no longer looks like the 1980s
07:55 PM roycroft: i'll take some pictures when it's done
07:55 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> imagine renting a hammer from harbor freight
07:55 PM roycroft: nobody does that
07:55 PM roycroft: the harbor freight protocol is to borrow, not rent
07:55 PM roycroft: you buy the hammer
07:55 PM roycroft: you destroy it
07:55 PM roycroft: then you return it
07:55 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> lol
07:56 PM xxcoder: harbor fright sell tool kits
07:56 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> but you get my point,
07:56 PM xxcoder: you buy em and modify it into actual tool you need
07:57 PM roycroft: i am pondering bringin some compressed air into my studio
07:57 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> i saw a rental display case at my local "hardware store"
07:57 PM roycroft: i've been hand nailing the window casing so far, and that takes a long time
07:57 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> the prices per day were so high that it was cheaper to buy it than to rent it for a week.
07:57 PM xxcoder: rental sometimes make sense, some tool you only need exactly once
07:57 PM roycroft: i'm going to bring in a portable compressor tomorrow to finish that job, but i often have use/need for compressed air in the house
07:58 PM xxcoder: well unless buy is literally cheaper lol
07:58 PM roycroft: i'm just concerned that if i plumb in an air line it will end up being pretty wet
07:58 PM Tom_L: made a few of those: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:443/~webpage/cnc/Cube/Cube_small2.jpg
07:58 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> Tom what are those?
07:58 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:443/~webpage/cnc/Cube/Turners_cube1.jpg
07:58 PM Tom_L: dust collectors
07:58 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> aaah, machinist's cubes
07:58 PM xxcoder: amazing dust collector lol
07:59 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:443/~webpage/cnc/Cube/Turners_cube3.jpg
07:59 PM roycroft: lots of folks rent tools because they have no room to store them and only occasional use for them, even if the rental cost is high
07:59 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> i would make one but i don't have an aluminum chunk so large to waste.
07:59 PM Tom_L: make a tiny one
07:59 PM roycroft: often when i need a tool for one job only i will buy it, and then sell it when the job is done
07:59 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> in fact, the meat tenderizer i posted earlier was made of aluminium muffins i casted from old cans
08:00 PM Tom_L: the smaller of the 2 was a machining project from the vo'tech my kid didn't get a chance to finish
08:00 PM Tom_L: so i programmed and finished it for him
08:00 PM roycroft: i usually come out ahead doing that vs renting it, but there the extra expense of the time and effort it takes to sell it
08:00 PM Tom_L: my bud in canada does quite a bit of casting
08:01 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> roycroft i remember 20 years ago my dad's drill broke down but he needed one for a job right then and there. so we went into a sotre and picked up the cheapest one "for one job"
08:01 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> lasted 10 years before somethign broke lol
08:01 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> we later fixed the original drill tho, so we had two
08:02 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> and by later, i mean like a week after buying the new one.
08:02 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> still have it.
08:02 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> you gan buy parts for the old one to this day
08:02 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> *can
08:03 PM Tom_L: i did a bunch of these triggers for him then made him a mold so he can cast them: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:443/~webpage/rue/Can_Holder/A3/A3_batch/Batch8.jpg
08:03 PM roycroft: oregon's right to repair law went into effect the first of this year
08:03 PM xxcoder: reminds me of someone here saying they tried to repeat router by bushings replacement but turns out side knobs was fake so it was unreplacabl anyway
08:03 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:443/~webpage/rue/Can_Holder/A3/Mold11.jpg
08:04 PM roycroft: that will eventually make parts easier to procure for long periods of time
08:04 PM xxcoder: roy nice. hope theres nice splashback effect, since companies tend to not design stuff for specific state
08:04 PM Tom_L: he welded that to some pliers to make it quick
08:04 PM roycroft: but the law is geared towards consumer electronics currently
08:04 PM roycroft: xxcoder: wait 'til california passes a similar law
08:05 PM xxcoder: true. big market
08:05 PM roycroft: manufactures usually build to california standards for the entire nation, because california standards are almost always more strict than the rest of the country, and california is the 6th biggest economy in the world
08:05 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> i wait till some state pass a right to repair encompasing everything.
08:06 PM roycroft: well, that won't happen
08:06 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> that will have a very nice impact on the whole world cause they won't be producing for US and EU separately i think
08:06 PM roycroft: but the scope of the laws will broaden over time
08:06 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> remember when apple resisted USB-C in Europe? and later marketed it as their idea in the US? XD
08:07 PM Tom_L: samsung had it way before apple
08:07 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> i'm not talking about who had it first, but who was forced by legislation
08:08 PM Tom_L: ok
08:08 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> the whole proprietary connector scheme only generated waste
08:08 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> i still have some nokia chargers in "the drawer"
08:08 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> but i love it that a laptop charger can charge my phone too
08:09 PM xxcoder: reminds me when I interned at fbi. they had keychain of connectors. there must have been 100 on it
08:09 PM xxcoder: it was well over 20 years ago
08:09 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> yea
08:10 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> the power supplies sold at the electronics stores with all the different plugs and voltage ranges was a common sight back then
08:10 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> you know, the one-fits-all kind of supplie
08:11 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> now we have USB-C PD
08:11 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> and i love it!
08:11 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> i have those tiny PCB breakouts with PD chip to select a voltage for when i'm playing with electronics
08:13 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> one of those: https://www.electronics-lab.com/simple-adapter-board-turns-usb-c-power-supply-variable-voltage-source/
08:24 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> ok, time for some sleep.
08:24 PM lcnc-relay: <innerbushman@> have a good night everyone
08:46 PM xxcoder: night inner
09:16 PM memleak: roycroft, i didnt know california was that populous
09:17 PM xxcoder: if calfornia was its own country, it would be pretty high up in country ratings in fw areas
09:17 PM xxcoder: including ecomony
09:21 PM roycroft: the rain finally stopped
09:23 PM roycroft: california has close to 15% of the total population of the us, and if it were a country it would be the sixth largest economy in the world