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[07:03:09] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03John Thornton 052.7 0baf37d 06linuxcnc 10docs/man/man9/hostmot2.9 Docs: fix markup, for some strange reason the \fB did not carry over to the next line * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=0baf37d
[07:32:47] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03John Thornton 052.7 82f3548 06linuxcnc 10docs/src/drivers/gs2.txt Docs: update documents to match man page * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=82f3548
[13:20:56] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Dewey Garrett 05joints_axes11 a4d249c 06linuxcnc 10docs/src/getting-started/updating-linuxcnc.txt updating-linuxcnc.txt fix coordinates= text (JA) * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=a4d249c
[13:45:34] <skunkworks> archivist, setting up johns pathpilot too?
[13:46:02] <archivist> not asked me to do that
[13:46:18] <archivist> ..... yet
[13:47:27] <skunkworks> :)
[13:48:25] <archivist> I need a car so its easier to wander over to his place
[13:49:50] <skunkworks> bus or train?
[13:53:25] <archivist> a-c is generally useless by public transport
[13:58:13] <archivist> and this is typical
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-35424393
[13:58:45] <jepler> "a-c"?
[13:59:37] <archivist> via b
[13:59:57] <archivist> however many steps
[17:15:40] <mozmck> we need a new special purpose halcmd-scripting-language
[17:41:39] <jepler> mozmck: tcl isn't satisfactory?
[17:42:08] <mozmck> that was a bit tongue-in-cheek ;-) apparently Marius on the list doesn't think so
[17:42:54] <mozmck> tcl is not clean and elegant enough - whatever that means.
[17:48:26] <jepler> oh
[17:48:45] <jepler> I haven't been keeping up..
[17:49:07] <jepler> I try to shrug and go on with my life when I see those kinds of posts anyway
[17:52:28] <jepler> > if {[info exists ::OPTIONS] && $::OPTIONS(SIM) == 1}
[17:52:50] <jepler> a better person would make a useful standard library for hal tcl
[17:53:34] <jepler> so if it's really a common pattern, it could be written if {[hal_is_sim]} or something else a little nicer
[17:54:12] <jepler> .. I made a full Tcl binding for halcmd specifically because I feel writing a custom command language is the wrong direction; we'll do something worse than Tcl
[17:54:25] <jepler> but whatever
[17:56:34] <mozmck> Yes, I agree - best if we can use an existing one.
[17:56:52] <mozmck> he doesn't like python either.
[17:58:33] <jepler> I don't think I have anything to add to the discussion
[17:59:13] <mozmck> I almost wrote a response but decided against it.
[17:59:33] <mozmck> does jessie actually not have gtk2?
[18:00:30] <mozmck> looks like it does:
https://packages.debian.org/jessie/libgtk2.0-0
[18:00:44] <mozmck> Don't know why niemand thought it doesn't
[18:01:24] <jepler> I think that supporting stuff, like a version of glade that actually works with our glade files, is disappearing as unmaintained
[18:01:30] <mozmck> I doubt it's going away until the gtk3 folks decide to quit making breaking changes between point releases.
[18:01:41] <mozmck> That could be...
[18:02:15] <jepler> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/gui/gladevcp.html#gladevcp:prerequisites
[18:02:39] <mozmck> well, I've got to run for now.
[18:03:35] <jepler> I think this prerequisite is not in debian jessie
[18:04:13] <mozmck> I see.
[18:04:44] <jepler> we should stick with Tcl/Tk, they have a much better multi-decade compatibility track record
[18:05:34] <mozmck> :-) I'm sure all the kids will love that.
[18:06:03] <mozmck> I like C++ and FLTK myself ;-)
[18:06:14] <mozmck> I better go for real now. later.
[18:06:18] <jepler> see ya
[20:48:16] <skunkworks> archivist: Hopefully tomorrow when my tame Linux geek comes round [ if he gets day release ] I will have my hobber working on Linux instead of an unreliable black box so I do show an interest.
[20:48:22] <skunkworks> :)
[21:08:59] <archivist> hehe
[21:17:49] <mozmck> skunkworks: next post: "PathPilot immediately looked to me as working like a Mazak, and it was a disappointment to see it being so close, yet... Not quite."
[21:18:07] <mozmck> I wonder why being better than a Mazak is a disappointment? ;-)
[21:20:29] <skunkworks> no clue. I don't get people
[21:22:39] <archivist> there was a comment on a program tonight on the brain, we all have a different reality
[21:26:32] <mozmck> well, that is probably a bit strong, but "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" sure seems to be true more often than not. What you get used to has a large impact on how you think things should work.
[21:29:31] <archivist> to me the eye of the beholder and what a user gets used is the same as that program statement, been some interesting things about how the brain perceives on it