#garfield Logs

Mar 15 2025

#garfield Calendar

12:05 AM rue_shop2: rifraf, heard of piehole?
12:22 AM rue_shop2: er pihole
12:22 AM rifraf: like shut your piehole?
12:22 AM rifraf: yes i have now, but don't need more blocking
12:22 AM rifraf: this works just perfect
12:25 AM rue_shop2: I think it does everything, cause its a DNS filter
12:26 AM rue_shop2: it intercepts the requests and injects its own nothing to keep the javascript pulling the ads happy
12:40 AM rifraf: why do you get annoyed by ads then?
12:43 AM rifraf: hrm, why AUD suddenly in the green against all others? https://www.msn.com/en-au/money/watchlist?id=auxr6h&ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=e7bd7932ec7f41828aab0b9a387fed2f&ei=8&duration=1M1H
12:43 AM rue_shop2: youtube integrates the ads
12:43 AM rifraf: maybe you should invest more in us rue, would be a great time, the last month it has dropped so much, can only go up or recession
12:43 AM rue_shop2: and stuff its just annoying, I dont like youtube
12:44 AM rifraf: AUD
12:44 AM rue_shop2: in another month the usd is gonna take another dive
12:44 AM rue_shop2: after that it might start to just implode under its own weight
12:44 AM rifraf: everything except the rubel, that will soon be rising alot
12:45 AM rifraf: if i could invest there i would
12:45 AM rue_shop2: I'v already made 8% on my eur account
12:45 AM rifraf: nice work
12:45 AM rue_shop2: and their apparently not even really doing well
12:45 AM rifraf: watch it fall very soon
12:45 AM rue_shop2: I dont think so
12:46 AM rue_shop2: not compared to the north american dollars
12:46 AM rifraf: the EU is a basketcase full of loonies
12:46 AM rue_shop2: as the world hits a depression its all gonna start collapsing
12:46 AM rifraf: thats are soon going to be the biggest losers
12:47 AM rue_shop2: I'm interested just how severe the effect of rumps next move is gonna be
12:47 AM rifraf: a depression caused by wokism
12:47 AM rue_shop2: caused by the fattest man at the table, that everyone works to feed, saying that he refuses to eat till the prices of the food are lowered
12:47 AM rue_shop2: funny game
12:48 AM rifraf: he is backing off a bit, he is no savior as much as he things he is Gods chosen one
12:48 AM rue_shop2: much too nieve to back off
12:48 AM rue_shop2: he's been tricked a few times
12:48 AM rue_shop2: by is own people
12:48 AM rifraf: just watch, Putin no pushover to fall for his trumps ego
12:49 AM rue_shop2: the people who know how to play a child will do fine against trump
12:49 AM rifraf: indeed
12:49 AM rue_shop2: as long as the nit thinks he has won, he will walk away gloating, even if he's missing his arms
12:50 AM rifraf: yep, lots of big talk and descisions, now needs to save face a bit
12:50 AM rue_shop2: did you realize he cant drive?
12:50 AM rifraf: i notice he backed off your traffiffs
12:50 AM rue_shop2: not really
12:50 AM rifraf: no but i am sure he inverted the automobile in his head :)
12:51 AM rifraf: at the the 50% rubbish
12:51 AM rue_shop2: but it sounds like were gonna really escellate things with blocking access to alaska? that might be some fireworks
12:51 AM rifraf: cool
12:52 AM rue_shop2: I'm really surprised elon didn't set it up to self-drive so it would look like he was using it
12:52 AM rifraf: looks like greenland is his next choice
12:52 AM rue_shop2: oh he said it at the same time as canada
12:52 AM rifraf: yep, greenland can't push back
12:53 AM rifraf: did you notice even the dutch warmonger now says he can fix relations with russia instantly after 4 years of completely the opposite
12:54 AM rifraf: they are so fucking gay
12:54 AM rifraf: and the sheep just don't even notice, they just turn and start bleating the other way like good sheep
12:55 AM rue_shop2: the riots in the usa are escellating
12:55 AM rifraf: can't wait for ursula bitch go to hell
12:55 AM rue_shop2: but if you make a new X account and look at the default feed, you can see why people are so confused about whats going on
12:55 AM rifraf: now setting up vaccine labs in south africa, because she and hubby will profit the most\
12:55 AM rifraf: never x'd or twitted in my life
12:56 AM rue_shop2: drat, I torrented a movie and its an encrypted xmpg
12:56 AM rifraf: bad boy
12:56 AM rue_shop2: well, suit yourself, but it was an eye opener
12:56 AM rifraf: i still torrent for everything
12:56 AM rue_shop2: the movie is too new
12:56 AM rifraf: yeah, wat is it?
12:56 AM rue_shop2: oh well
12:56 AM rue_shop2: "the ammature"
12:56 AM rue_shop2: 2025
12:57 AM rue_shop2: looked ok
12:57 AM rue_shop2: oh well
12:57 AM rifraf: worth a watch you reckon
12:57 AM rifraf: have not heard of
12:57 AM rue_shop2: meh, I have not been watching anything since not having tv
12:57 AM rue_shop2: I could use some stuff to mix my brain waves up a bit
12:57 AM rifraf: we need VPN to access torrent in AU, about the only reason i have one
12:58 AM rue_shop2: I'm going batty cuase I got nobody to talk and work with
12:58 AM rue_shop2: I do not know how I did it as a kid
12:58 AM rue_shop2: NO peers
12:58 AM rifraf: ok well tomorrow i will not drink and we can make some stuff and talk if you want
12:58 AM rue_shop2: still piss poor thin on them
12:59 AM rue_shop2: I'm poking at a breadboard
12:59 AM rifraf: i need a few clear hours in the morning to add the rest of these pullups and fix wiring a bit
12:59 AM rue_shop2: glad I could help out there
12:59 AM rifraf: i need a smoke, walk to non existant general store just before
01:00 AM rifraf: but not quite stupid enough to drive to shops
01:00 AM rifraf: yeah those outputs been bugging me for ages, and turns out it was as easy as a pullup, i kinda saw that but things didn't click
01:01 AM rifraf: stared at the diagram for a year
01:01 AM rifraf: makes me like the controller even more now
01:04 AM rifraf: i got some of the wheelchair shock absorber springs yesterday
01:05 AM rifraf: unfortunatly a few mm too narrom, but kept anyway, next week hopefull will get bigger one, nice and strong, 6mm wire, some have 8mm
01:06 AM rue_shop2: hmm
01:08 AM rue_shop2: auto repair shop, old shocks springs?
01:08 AM rifraf: too big
01:08 AM rifraf: i have seen the perfect ones on the floor at work, just waiting for one that needs replacing in the field
01:08 AM rifraf: big powered chair has one on each side
01:08 AM rifraf: and another in the rear like mono shock between back castors that would work, but can test fine with the one i have installed now
01:08 AM rifraf: hrm i did say i would make some pretty gcode, might have a quick crack at it
01:10 AM rifraf: hoping to get spring right length with closed and ground ends,
01:11 AM rifraf: closed ends keep the pressure distributed better
01:11 AM rifraf: you would know, you are a spring maker
01:11 AM rue_shop2: :]
01:12 AM rue_shop2: I just watched the video
01:12 AM rifraf: packaging or level?
01:13 AM rifraf: ground ends i can do on the grinder, most chinese cheap ones are closed but not ground
01:30 AM rifraf: heh that movie is not released yet, best wait for that, would just be rubbish on the torrents now
01:30 AM rifraf: remember this old pipe bender? did a great job http://www.roboreprap.com/robotics/frame/frame103.jpg
01:30 AM rifraf: was grandads idea
01:30 AM rifraf: he said thats how they bent the frames for truck mods and stuff back in the 50's
01:30 AM rifraf: Foxys curves prove it worked well on square stock
01:50 AM rifraf: wah! gripper not strong enough
01:50 AM rifraf: time to go to shops, back soon
01:51 AM rue_shop2: the colette?
01:52 AM rifraf: no the one to move the stock along
01:52 AM rifraf: collet holding well
01:53 AM rifraf: but is not mounted, just some cable ties and a bit of neoprene superglued to gripper jaws that came off, time to design some jaws and maybe resin print
01:53 AM rue_shop2: k
01:53 AM rifraf: actually a bit of delrin with sandpaper superglued may work better
01:54 AM rifraf: still could use more pressure, on 3 bar at moment
01:54 AM rifraf: but need smoke and tequila to keep going till night
01:55 AM rifraf: maybe even more food
02:04 AM rue_mohr: hmm
02:06 AM rue_shop2: I got the software first time
02:06 AM rue_shop2: huh
02:07 AM rue_shop2: https://github.com/ruenahcmohr/blockfinder
02:08 AM rue_shop2: wrote myself a howto
02:13 AM rue_shop2: MBM27C64@DIP28
02:28 AM rifraf: well done
02:29 AM rue_shop2: hmm these old chips wont burn
02:29 AM rue_shop2: old OTP roms
02:30 AM rifraf: can imagine, you are likely the only person to still have them
02:30 AM rue_shop2: huh
02:30 AM rue_shop2: this was supposed to be the easy part
02:35 AM rue_shop2: got one!
02:36 AM rifraf: man leave the house for 5 minutes and a turkey invasion
02:37 AM rifraf: has grown up so fast, can fly to the highest cupboard and knock everything over
02:44 AM rue_shop2: oh drat, I could have made it a self-oscillator
02:45 AM rue_shop2: but ugh, I'd still have needed another chip for driving, well, whatever
02:45 AM rue_shop2: haha
02:45 AM rue_shop2: rif got turkey
02:45 AM rue_shop2: "mama, you got such big teeth"
02:46 AM rifraf: its getting too friendly now
02:47 AM rue_shop2: I could try again,there is space for another image
02:47 AM rue_shop2: it was a garbage chip anyhow
02:47 AM rue_shop2: I'm not supposed to be sad
02:48 AM rue_shop2: I can turn the 1 unused output into an inverter, and put a delay line on it, to make it an oscillator
02:48 AM rifraf: yep you can find every nook and cranny now
02:48 AM rue_shop2: then its the lookup table for the displays and the oscillator
02:48 AM rifraf: do you do forex trading ?
02:49 AM rue_shop2: I dont do any trading
02:49 AM rue_shop2: "i'm a fool"
02:49 AM rue_shop2: I should start after the markets really start to collapse
02:49 AM rue_shop2: apr 3rd
02:50 AM rue_shop2: it will all take a sharp downturn again
02:50 AM rifraf: i have never but got $1000 i never touched so its still in the account, might have a play
02:50 AM rue_shop2: rifraf, do you remember what I tried to teach you at the gambling places?
02:50 AM rifraf: needed it to open the account but never used and forgot it been so many years, is still there
02:50 AM rue_shop2: no you dont
02:50 AM rue_shop2: do ya
02:50 AM rifraf: keep chasing your losses till you finally win?
02:51 AM rue_shop2: and even if you did, you wouldn't listen
02:51 AM rifraf: lol
02:51 AM rifraf: i rarely gamble these days rue, maybe 2 or 3 times a year
02:51 AM rue_shop2: well the way you win, you cant afford to! :]
02:51 AM rifraf: indeed :)
02:52 AM rue_shop2: "close out when you double the money"
02:52 AM rue_shop2: ugh...
02:52 AM rifraf: it just looks like betting on everything going down is almost a sure thing these days
02:53 AM rue_shop2: buy and hold, will take over 10 years for the usa to make any real recovery
02:54 AM rifraf: friday was the first day in a month that thing actually went up a bit
02:54 AM rue_shop2: I feel like a fool for not putting that inverter in
02:55 AM rifraf: to invert what?
02:56 AM rue_shop2: well
02:56 AM rue_shop2: I'
02:56 AM rue_shop2: I'm driving a 7 segment
02:56 AM rue_shop2: so I only used 7 of the 8 bits out of the ROM
02:56 AM rue_shop2: but, if I take an input, and make the extra output the NOT of it, I can use it like an inverter to make an oscillator
02:57 AM rifraf: you are too low level for me, i know you tried to teach me asm years ago and i did a bit, bit never found real life uses to keep me learning
02:58 AM rue_shop2: yea, I'll give on assembler
02:58 AM rue_shop2: I'm glad to be using C on microcontrollers
02:58 AM rue_shop2: their fast enough that its all fine
02:58 AM rifraf: yep , but takes me far too long to code stuff, arduino code is about my level these days
02:59 AM rifraf: with examples to modify :)
02:59 AM rue_shop2: yea
02:59 AM rue_shop2: qhmm, should I try again
03:00 AM rue_shop2: I shold have some supper
03:00 AM rifraf:  you know what you could do, use your coding skills to monitor the markets and make money
03:00 AM rue_shop2: I made the new image...
03:00 AM rue_shop2: haha
03:00 AM rifraf: yeah i got some thai down the street, and some mongolian lamb
03:00 AM rue_shop2: I dont want to spend my time watching tickers
03:01 AM rue_shop2: tho I'm keeping an eye on the eur
03:01 AM rue_shop2: there is some noise, but its steadily climbing
03:01 AM rue_shop2: well, were crashing
03:01 AM rue_shop2: hard
03:02 AM rue_shop2: cause were tied to usa
03:02 AM rifraf: ok i have $50K to play with, demo money,what should i gample on
03:02 AM rue_shop2: if we dont keep our dollar down, they cant buy our shit
03:02 AM rue_shop2: rifraf, bank on the markets collapsing
03:03 AM rue_shop2: you know the rule right? Buy low, sell high
03:03 AM rifraf: yep, the euro
03:03 AM rifraf: well everything is low at the moment
03:03 AM rue_shop2: yea
03:03 AM rue_shop2: its gonna get lower apr 3
03:03 AM rue_shop2: a lot lower
03:03 AM rifraf: but ius going to go lower
03:03 AM rifraf: yep
03:03 AM rue_shop2: "I hope I'm not wrong" but I dont care much either
03:04 AM rue_shop2: if someone shoots rump, its going to take a bit of a dip then climb like crazy
03:04 AM rifraf: damn its saturday, no markets open to gamble on
03:04 AM rue_shop2: heh
03:05 AM rue_shop2: oh hell, I'm going for it
03:06 AM rue_shop2: ok, that was the last write I get
03:07 AM rifraf: hrm bitcoin still active
03:08 AM rifraf: am sure you have plenty of chips laying around
03:23 AM rue_shop2: FFFing chip went linear on me and is generating a prettymuch perfect sine wave
03:23 AM rue_shop2: stupid...
03:26 AM rifraf: made $130 on bitcoin going down :)
03:36 AM rue_shop2: nope, this ROM does NOT want to be an oscillator
03:37 AM rue_shop2: well tesla is going to keep going down
03:37 AM rue_shop2: prettymuch everthing
03:38 AM rifraf: who is making the money then?
03:38 AM rifraf: something must be going up
03:39 AM rifraf: or the money just disappears?
03:41 AM rue_shop2: they just make and destroy it as they feel
03:41 AM rue_shop2: big joke for a long time
03:41 AM rue_shop2: back with the gold standard, there were only so many dollars
03:41 AM rue_shop2: but that didn't work for them
03:43 AM rue_mohr: rifraf, look up "stock short selling"
03:43 AM rifraf: am doing minute trading at moment
03:44 AM rifraf: \up $350
03:44 AM rifraf: $250, lol changes fast
03:45 AM rue_mohr: remember they charge you for the at of buying/selling
03:45 AM rifraf: trading 1/2 a bitcoin, thats like $42K
03:45 AM rue_mohr: yep
03:45 AM rifraf: yeah thats why i am playing, don't seem to be seeing those charges
03:45 AM rue_mohr: gold and silver should be going up steady right now
03:45 AM rue_mohr: most of the smart ones see the recession/depression coming
03:46 AM rifraf: gold around $3K
03:46 AM rifraf: highest ever
03:46 AM rue_mohr: it'll spike on apr3 too
03:46 AM rue_mohr: the americans are going to realize that their whole economy has been destroyed by their leader
03:47 AM rifraf: nah
03:47 AM rue_mohr: eventually they will
03:47 AM rifraf: i think their ecomony cannot get worse than under binen
03:47 AM rue_mohr: it IS worse
03:47 AM rue_mohr: the stock market has been taken back 6 months
03:48 AM rue_mohr: he will easily undo the whole year of gains
03:48 AM rue_mohr: and it will keep going down
03:48 AM rue_mohr: have you read up on the great depression?
03:48 AM rue_mohr: I need to read that again
03:49 AM rifraf: yep, and have read there could be another one coming soon
03:50 AM rifraf: i hope not, the world has been screwed enough the last 5 years
03:50 AM rue_mohr: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Depression
03:50 AM rifraf: i cannot trust wikipedia anymore
03:50 AM rifraf: too many woke people rewriting history
03:51 AM rue_mohr: true
03:52 AM rifraf: but still i hope we don't get another one like that, there should be no reason to have one
03:53 AM rifraf: apart from the world throwing billions into a hole called ukraine
03:53 AM rifraf: and trillions of $ in US debt
03:54 AM rifraf: that snake Ursula needs to be destroyed , and her minions
03:57 AM rue_mohr: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Depression#/media/File:1929_wall_street_crash_graph.svg
03:57 AM rue_mohr: https://www.google.com/search?q=dow+jones&oq=dow+jones&aqs=chrome.0.69i59.1635j0j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
03:58 AM rue_mohr: I think its just about to go over the red edge
03:59 AM rue_mohr: looks like it will take about a month
03:59 AM rifraf: it was too high to start with
03:59 AM rue_mohr: sure
04:00 AM rifraf: look over 5 years and is just a little dip
04:00 AM rifraf: look at entire and its still way too high
04:01 AM rue_mohr: if I'm right then it'll soon lose about 2000pts in about a week
04:01 AM rue_mohr: but
04:01 AM rue_mohr: apr 3rd
04:02 AM rifraf: amazing thats it nearing tripled in the last 10 years, is just not real
04:02 AM rifraf: ok, i will be ready to gamble everything on it apr 2
04:03 AM rue_mohr: it should start to move on the 1st, but tank hard on the 3rd
04:03 AM rue_mohr: if I'm right
04:03 AM rifraf: lets see, not far away
04:03 AM rue_mohr: I guess we will see
04:04 AM rifraf: hopefully a week or 2 of up to make some of the last months losses and will cash out april 1
12:24 PM aandrew: have to be careful comparing those DJIA graphs... 400 -> 200 is a 50% loss. 45,000 -> 41,000 isn't even close to being the same thing
12:27 PM aandrew: DJIA isn't even down 0.5% over 6mos. can't ever take the short view with investments
01:58 PM rue_mohr: I'm looking at it falling back to what it was 1 year ago
02:01 PM rue_mohr: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HghpBb5VVcA
02:01 PM rue_mohr: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAjP3OOU7dI
02:04 PM aandrew: interesting with the hot melt glue, I figured it'd have been cheaper to get square adhesive pads made up cheaper
02:06 PM aandrew: he's already got those custom dies made up, another one to cut out the middle of the adhesive would've been my method I think
02:06 PM aandrew: I like how he reuses the basic shapes for all kinds of other things
02:08 PM aandrew: wtf is that edge finding thing in the second vid
02:10 PM aandrew: pretty sure I gave away my arbor press
02:17 PM rue_mohr: morning
02:17 PM rue_mohr: wow, so much work for packaging
02:24 PM rue_mohr: nice looking level....
02:48 PM rifraf: morning
02:48 PM rue_mohr: hi
02:49 PM rue_mohr: catching up on the social medias
02:49 PM rifraf: remember i got all those foam cutters etc to do the same thing, never turned out anywhere near as neat as his
02:50 PM rue_mohr: some likes, a few comments, nothing stellar
02:50 PM rifraf: we cut foam every day at work now, but still not as pretty, is ok for getting hidden inside a seat though
02:51 PM rifraf: its just another idea to add to the collective and then make my own based on many ideas
02:54 PM rue_mohr: were you using EVA foam?
02:54 PM rifraf: it was one type i tried
02:55 PM rifraf: we use it at work, along with several other products
02:57 PM rifraf: ok rue, pullups, i have used 3 other outputs without pullups, cannot hurt to add a 1K R to each one eh?
02:57 PM rifraf: is 6am, must be productive this morning
02:59 PM rifraf: redesign gripper jaws i could not screw onto one jaw and make a carrier for gripper
03:32 PM rue_mohr: pusher
03:33 PM rue_mohr: if you used them without pullups, then they already have pullups on the other side
03:34 PM rue_mohr: open collector interfaces are common and they are probbaly made for them, the fact that the china stuff isn't makes sense cause they expect everything to be plugged into an arduino
03:35 PM rue_mohr: wow, hudsons bay company finally giving in to mismanagment, sad
03:35 PM rue_mohr: pretty hard for a clothes company to compete in todays world
03:36 PM rifraf: rue no
03:36 PM rue_mohr: esp a big high end one like that
03:36 PM rifraf: they didn't work propery
03:36 PM rue_mohr: what do you mean properly?
03:36 PM rifraf: i had to connect 12v to some other line that didn't need it, was a fluke
03:36 PM rue_mohr: you set the cutter as a material stop and just push the stock up against them
03:36 PM rue_mohr: oh
03:36 PM rifraf: i need to find and remove that wire
03:36 PM rue_mohr: oh
03:37 PM rue_mohr: I'm gonna shower
03:37 PM rifraf: probably why i get shocked all the time
03:37 PM rue_mohr: I need to set up a steam power plant before the depression hits
03:37 PM rifraf: okies
03:37 PM rifraf: van had a good boiler for you i think
03:59 PM rue_mohr: van?
04:00 PM rue_mohr: I need a boiler designed with a new intelligence that has never been seen before :]
04:00 PM rue_mohr: not large vats of water ready to vaporize
04:00 PM rue_mohr: realtime, a pipe kept at 200c that has water injected into it when more steam pressure is needed
04:00 PM rue_mohr: to keep the firebox at 2000c, you need a really good insulating layer
04:05 PM rifraf: i thought VanUnamed pasted a big boiler thing the other day
04:06 PM rue_mohr: oh, maybe I missed it
04:06 PM rifraf: ceramic fibre
04:06 PM rue_mohr: I'm going to generally state that nobody would build a boiler like I'm planning
04:06 PM rifraf: got lots left over from the metal casting projects
04:06 PM rue_mohr: ah
04:06 PM rifraf: me mate tony inherited all that stuff :/
04:07 PM rifraf: at least he still gets to use it
04:07 PM rue_mohr: https://economics.td.com/ca-canada-us-trade-balance
04:07 PM rue_mohr: by td bank!
04:08 PM rifraf: heh we don't even make the list
04:15 PM rifraf: jaws printed, gripper carrier starting print directly, 7am and some progress made
04:17 PM rue_mohr: oh, we need to work with mexico
04:18 PM rue_mohr: and china, but mexio is closer
04:19 PM rue_mohr: I need breakfast
04:20 PM rue_mohr: and the sun came out
04:20 PM rue_mohr: all over my yard
04:20 PM rifraf: its breakfast time here, have to moved onto AU time?
04:21 PM rifraf: you*
04:23 PM rue_mohr: 2pm?
04:23 PM rue_mohr: maybe I should put down the crackers and have lunch
04:23 PM rue_mohr: yup, thats what I'm gonna do
04:23 PM * rue_mohr picks up the crackers and has lunch
04:24 PM rue_mohr: ah, thats better
04:24 PM rue_mohr: ~lunch crackers~
04:24 PM rue_mohr: its 2pm and its sunny, I if I want to cast some aluminum, I better giddy up
04:25 PM rue_mohr: oh damn, I have to go shopping
04:25 PM rue_mohr: I need a bail of alfalfa
04:25 PM rifraf: i want to cast aluminium :(
04:25 PM rue_mohr: I can help get you set up
04:25 PM rue_mohr: you will ignore all my instructions and do soething else, but I can try :]
04:26 PM rifraf: rue i had everything, gave it away
04:26 PM rue_mohr: oh well
04:26 PM rifraf: used to cast 8-10 kg at a time
04:26 PM rue_mohr: I work on building on my foundation
04:27 PM rue_mohr: its cool to be able to "just whip off" a casting
04:27 PM rue_mohr: less rain/snow/hurricane
04:28 PM rifraf: i might get a small electric one to do little things
04:28 PM rue_mohr: whats bbq propane cost up there now?
04:29 PM rifraf: about $35 for 9KG bottle
04:30 PM rue_mohr: hmm, yea were aboutt hat
04:30 PM rue_mohr: I think I got about 30 castings from a 18kg
04:31 PM rue_mohr: thats about 2L ea
04:31 PM rue_mohr: (of alum)
04:31 PM rifraf: i was using old sump oin and deisel
04:31 PM rue_mohr: oh damn, and I need to get a iron from the thrift store
04:31 PM rifraf: oil*
04:31 PM rue_mohr: yea
04:32 PM rue_mohr: my oil burner locked up one day
04:33 PM rue_mohr: damnit, where do all the f****ing lists go that are supposed to remind me of this cr**
04:33 PM rue_mohr: useless freaking lists
04:33 PM rue_mohr: wish people would stop telling me to make f***** lists
04:35 PM rifraf: i used a good little app for todo lists
04:36 PM rue_mohr: does it reapeatedly talk
04:36 PM rue_mohr: if not its useless
04:36 PM rue_mohr: if it does, its annoying
04:37 PM rue_mohr: and I do NOT carry my phone everywhere with me like its a vital organ
04:37 PM rifraf: nope, no talking
04:37 PM rifraf: ok, tattoo it to you forehead then
04:39 PM rifraf: am not connected to phone either, but dude, am sure you check it a few times a day still
05:09 PM Tom_L: evening
05:16 PM rifraf: g'day Tom_L , watcha making this evening?
05:16 PM Tom_L: nuthin
05:17 PM Tom_L: you seem to be the busy maker here of late
05:17 PM Tom_L: just playing the engineering consultant here :)
05:17 PM rifraf: ah the vicarious life
05:18 PM Tom_L: for your projects
05:18 PM rifraf: ok well, am trying to fit 5 resistors into one hole
05:18 PM Tom_L: make the hole bigger
05:18 PM rifraf: but still trying to find the 5th
05:18 PM Tom_L: or smt
05:19 PM rifraf: is a screw connecter, fixed size, gonna join em all an solder a wire to the bunch
05:19 PM Tom_L: that would be my call
05:19 PM rifraf: temp regrets of throwing out 20 electronics boxs full of components
05:20 PM rifraf: only 4 x 1k R in the house it seems
05:20 PM Tom_L: for pullups?
05:20 PM rifraf: there has to be one more somewhere
05:20 PM rifraf: yeah
05:20 PM Tom_L: doesn't have to be 1k
05:21 PM rifraf: i know, but 10k too big
05:21 PM rue_shop2: rifraf, rue said 470ohms to upwards of 10k in some cases
05:21 PM rifraf: and wanted to be consistant to start with, i have 330R
05:21 PM Tom_L: i did however use 1k on mine
05:21 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:443/~webpage/cnc/configs/NEW_MILL/New_Mill_IO_Pinout.pdf
05:21 PM Tom_L: my complete wiring chart
05:22 PM Tom_L: better than a schematic
05:22 PM Tom_L: yeah 330 to 10k
05:23 PM Tom_L: 330 would work in most cases i bet
05:23 PM Tom_L: 3.3v or 5?
05:24 PM rifraf: yes, 5V, gonna use 2 x 330R in series
05:25 PM Tom_L: i'd test with just a 330 and see, you may not need 2
05:25 PM Tom_L: or 470
05:27 PM rifraf: doing wat makes me comfortable
05:28 PM rifraf: need to keep current draw to a minimum
05:28 PM Tom_L: order more 1k r then
05:28 PM Tom_L: can never have too many
05:29 PM rifraf: obviously i thought i did when i threw a few thousand out
05:29 PM rifraf: is cool, maybe will put 3 in series, 990R pretty close :)
05:30 PM Tom_L: hump back 3 smt
05:30 PM rifraf: including all the component storage boxes, never though i would make stuff again at compinent level
05:30 PM rifraf: threw them out as well
05:30 PM Tom_L: i don't do much electronics anymore either
05:31 PM Tom_L: made a choice for machining stuff over it
05:31 PM rifraf: found a bunch of 330R if a paralell port connector with leds, would have been a diagnostic took from the past
05:31 PM Tom_L: time & space constraints
05:31 PM rifraf: yep, no more house made my descision
05:34 PM rifraf: and eyes that stopped working proper years ago, now goggles to focus just on 1 little thing at a time
05:34 PM Tom_L: it's good they don't tell us about aging until it arrives
05:35 PM Tom_L: rue is still relatively a young pup
05:36 PM Tom_L: covid didn't help my eyesight any either
05:38 PM Tom_L: somewhere we did a C thing to run the leds on the pp
05:38 PM Tom_L: not sure where that is now
05:41 PM Tom_L: omg, found some pics that would bring memories back for you
05:53 PM rifraf: cool
05:53 PM Tom_L: place by the creek
05:53 PM Tom_L: when you did the windmill thing
05:54 PM rifraf: if i add 5v pullups to outputs not needing them can't hurt eh?
05:54 PM rifraf: would be like a paralell and reduce down to 500R worst case?
05:54 PM Tom_L: likely not no
05:54 PM Tom_L: like 1k pullups?
05:54 PM Tom_L: you have to do that on open collectors
05:54 PM Tom_L: or they just float
05:55 PM Tom_L: ie some encoders require that
05:56 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:443/~webpage/rifraf/
06:00 PM rifraf: i miss that place, was heaven for me
06:00 PM Tom_L: :)
06:00 PM rifraf: beautiful river a stones throw from my shack
06:01 PM rifraf: i havn't aged a bit :P
06:01 PM Tom_L: i have
06:01 PM rifraf: still have that same white ford
06:01 PM rifraf: show me yourself
06:02 PM Tom_L: found a charger mpg too... was that yours?
06:02 PM Tom_L: i don't think i have any of me
06:03 PM rifraf: heh see all those component boxes, thats what i threw away :P http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:443/~webpage/rifraf/DSCF2435.jpeg
06:03 PM Tom_L: figured
06:03 PM rifraf: and alot more from the 10 years after
06:04 PM Tom_L: was trying to remember how long ago that was
06:04 PM rifraf: 2006 by the looks, near 20 years
06:04 PM rifraf: car has 460K on the clock now, was about 60K back then
06:05 PM rifraf: heh and that lounge set was from my parents place when i was a kid, burnt it all when i moved out
06:08 PM rifraf: ok pullup array made and tested perfect, will install shortly
06:10 PM rifraf: https://desire3d.com/images/public/pullups.jpg
06:11 PM rifraf: ok 9am and not a beer in sight yet
06:11 PM rifraf: gripper holder at 95% printed
06:11 PM rifraf: just enough time to install the pullups
06:12 PM Tom_L: ck your rifraf folder again
06:12 PM Tom_L: finally figured where it was on my phone
06:13 PM rifraf: k, i want to download em in a while
06:13 PM rifraf: well well, cheers tom
06:13 PM Tom_L: heh
06:14 PM Tom_L: was gonna put that on my git but never have
06:16 PM rifraf: rue_mohr your turn
06:16 PM Tom_L: i got an old old rue one too
06:16 PM Tom_L: likely when he saw you
06:16 PM rifraf: have you seen with with the kangaroos?
06:16 PM Tom_L: somewhere...
06:16 PM rifraf: him*
06:16 PM Tom_L: i think so yes
06:17 PM rifraf: won't post till he is here, in case he is too shy
06:17 PM Tom_L: i have em somewhere
06:18 PM Tom_L: with a seal? too
06:18 PM Tom_L: yeah i found em
06:19 PM rifraf: yep :)
06:19 PM rifraf: getting a big kiss
06:20 PM Tom_L: yup
06:21 PM Tom_L: your daughter.. kip??
06:21 PM Tom_L: iirc
06:21 PM Tom_L: something like that
06:25 PM rifraf: Kif yeah
06:26 PM Tom_L: gettin old..
06:26 PM rifraf: pullups installed, i ghad 2 wires coming from 1 output pin, pretty sure thats the one i hacked to get working somehow, will have to follow wires carefully later
06:27 PM rifraf: yep she is 32 now, with my grandson 3 years old in 2 weeks
06:27 PM Tom_L: time flies
06:27 PM Tom_L: mine are 27 & 24 now
06:27 PM rifraf: man i feels like beer o'clock but putting it off for a bit
06:30 PM rifraf: Tom_L did you see the chuck yesterday moving a bit?
06:30 PM Tom_L: i think i missed that one
06:30 PM Tom_L: i knew you got the 2nd cylinder in
06:30 PM rifraf: is very rough test when we got the pullups working https://youtu.be/CgVimINTFUU
06:31 PM rifraf: thats running with the first gcode
06:31 PM Tom_L: seems to work good
06:31 PM rifraf: the gripper will be way too weak but hooking up anyway, would like the pull a bar this morn
06:32 PM Tom_L: does the gripper need more delay after the collet opens?
06:32 PM rifraf: will polish the brass rod to make it slide bit better
06:32 PM Tom_L: before it pulls the material
06:32 PM rifraf: yes have added small delays to it, like 2mm ms
06:32 PM rifraf: 200*
06:32 PM Tom_L: yeah
06:32 PM rifraf: and 100 when releasing
06:32 PM Tom_L: gives the mechanics time to work
06:33 PM rifraf: yep, that was just the initial 'yay its connected' video
06:33 PM rifraf: rue_mohr lunch time is over where are you?
06:34 PM Tom_L: and maybe the gripper should stay open after pulling the rod
06:34 PM rifraf: i know
06:34 PM rifraf: next vid will be better, that was very first test
06:34 PM Tom_L: on the right track though
06:36 PM rifraf: if i had a belt would connect servo, will be here during the week
06:36 PM Tom_L: will the gripper retract in X after pulling too? or not
06:37 PM Tom_L: get out of the cutter's way
06:37 PM rifraf: eventually, for now getting the mechanics going, then can rearrange, add more cyliders and modify as required
06:37 PM rifraf: this alot bigger than last headstock
06:38 PM rifraf: still 2 spare valves for more pnuematics
06:39 PM rifraf: look at the M codes on page 36, https://www.lollette.com/support/pdf/CNC/SMC5-5.pdf
06:39 PM rifraf: M301 etc, could be usefull for feedback
06:40 PM rifraf: gotta cut some screws down, brb
06:40 PM Tom_L: wait for event..
06:41 PM rifraf: yep, i guess to confirm ther bar is in place, or has been parted off properly before moving
06:41 PM Tom_L: should have some sort of timeout and alternate result on fail
06:41 PM rifraf: or spindle has actually stopper, the failsafes i want eventual
06:42 PM Tom_L: i ended up writing ~40+ subroutines for linuxcnc for probing & special ops
06:43 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:443/~webpage/cnc/JT-SHOP/flexgui/touch-probe3-2.png
06:43 PM Tom_L: all the probe routines
06:44 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:443/~webpage/cnc/JT-SHOP/flexgui/touch-probe3.png
06:44 PM Tom_L: some of the ops
06:49 PM rifraf: yeah looks very cool
06:49 PM Tom_L: those arms on the spindle seem to work well
06:53 PM Tom_L: i have that same probe lollette has on their site
06:54 PM Tom_L: is that controller a PLC or some microcontroller?
06:55 PM Tom_L: never run across those
06:57 PM Tom_L: i wonder if they use a variation of grbl
07:01 PM rifraf: have never looked inside, not a PLC though
07:01 PM Tom_L: 32bit uC
07:01 PM rifraf: is bloody awesome though, everytime i want to do something it has been able to
07:02 PM Tom_L: looks like you can sync 2 axis
07:02 PM Tom_L: rotary & linear
07:02 PM rifraf: i like the 5 x 500khx per channel syncronous
07:02 PM rifraf: you can do all 5 at once
07:02 PM Tom_L: spindle / axis sych too?
07:03 PM Tom_L: lcnc will do that for things like rigid tapping
07:03 PM Tom_L: gear cutting etc
07:03 PM rifraf: search for smc5-5-n-n https://www.shaogecnc.com/smc5-5-n-n/
07:03 PM Tom_L: i was watching some of it
07:03 PM rifraf: or just smc5-5 might get more results
07:04 PM rifraf: a few years old, but a great buy
07:04 PM Tom_L: sounds better than mach
07:05 PM rifraf: yep indeed
07:05 PM Tom_L: never used mach but heard stories
07:05 PM rifraf: gripper mount too high
07:05 PM * rifraf get chisel out
07:05 PM rifraf: i used mach3 with my big router, the mechmate
07:05 PM Tom_L: mach4 is a disaster i hear
07:05 PM rifraf: and when i did lathe cnc conversersion
07:05 PM rifraf: but converted that back to manual
07:06 PM Tom_L: lcnc takes a bit to set up but does just about anything you can think up
07:06 PM Tom_L: up to 9 axis
07:08 PM Tom_L: yours... High-Speed 32-Bit ARM CPU, High-Performance FPGA
07:08 PM Tom_L: the fpga probably handles all the axis pulses etc
07:08 PM rue_mohr: I got an iron and finished making my sanding belts
07:08 PM Tom_L: that's what the mesa cards do for us
07:08 PM rue_mohr: I got a bail of alfalfa ($42) and put it up where the potatoes will go
07:08 PM Tom_L: that helps
07:09 PM Tom_L: i did that one year
07:09 PM Tom_L: and did them on mounds
07:09 PM Tom_L: rue_mohr, we were goin down memory lane with the seal & roo
07:11 PM rue_mohr: I'm only grwoing them in the alfalfa
07:11 PM rue_mohr: nothing else
07:11 PM rue_mohr: yea lots of time has passed
07:11 PM rue_mohr: sold my life to the man
07:11 PM Tom_L: we all have in some form
07:11 PM rue_mohr: paid in dirty socks
07:11 PM rue_mohr: that didn't appreciate
07:12 PM Tom_L: we figured ~20 yrs...
07:12 PM rue_mohr: we all met about 2001
07:15 PM Tom_L: you doin the raised beds like you did?
07:17 PM rifraf: i bar feeded!, with a bit of help for the gripper, not quite strong enough :)
07:17 PM rifraf: will make slight bigger gripper jaws and increase pressure, time for reprints
07:19 PM rifraf: gees can i get an amen from the crowd , is big moment
07:20 PM rifraf: will have to make a video i guess
07:20 PM rue_mohr: good show rif
07:20 PM rifraf: thanks rue
07:21 PM rue_mohr: now can I order 200 1/4" pins that are 15mm long with slightly radiused ends?
07:21 PM Tom_L: afk..
07:21 PM rue_mohr: I think I can pay like 10c ea :]
07:21 PM Tom_L: first run a huge success i think
07:21 PM Tom_L: i thought you tried that once rue_mohr
07:22 PM rue_mohr: nobody can do it
07:23 PM rue_mohr: nobody in the flipping world can make mild steel pins that are 1/4" dia and 15mm long with the edges trimmed a bit
07:23 PM rue_mohr: its an imposible part to produce by anyone but me
07:23 PM rifraf: i can
07:24 PM Tom_L: make a hydraulic cylinder to smash the head on the pin the length you want
07:24 PM rue_mohr: no rif, its not producable, its just too complicated :]
07:24 PM rue_mohr: no head
07:24 PM rue_mohr: just (=)
07:24 PM Tom_L: i forgot what they looked like..
07:24 PM rifraf: because you are mixing metric and imperial\
07:24 PM Tom_L: now i remember
07:24 PM rue_mohr: v^ 1/4" <--> 15mm
07:24 PM rifraf: look for 9/16 long, but china too metric
07:24 PM rifraf: in toms country
07:24 PM rue_mohr: tried them, dont work
07:25 PM rue_mohr: cant be longer than 15mm or they bind in the project
07:25 PM Tom_L: i tried finding some and didn't
07:25 PM rifraf: 9/16 is a poofteenth less than 15mm rue !
07:26 PM Tom_L: .5625 compared to .5906
07:26 PM rue_mohr: must have tried the one rounded the other way
07:26 PM rue_mohr: but china only does metric
07:26 PM Tom_L: .030 less
07:26 PM rifraf: not only, i have got imperial parts
07:27 PM rifraf: like the 3/8 rod clevis
07:27 PM rifraf: needed M10x1.25 , so retapped, got the proper ones now but not needed
07:28 PM rifraf: also can get the imperial 5C collet set from them, you have to search betterer
07:30 PM rifraf: rue_mohr just make a bar feeder and produce your own :P
07:31 PM Tom_L: even a manual chop saw with a stop
07:31 PM Tom_L: 4" angle grinder on a mount
07:31 PM rifraf: yep he is gettin a bit lazy in his old age
07:33 PM Tom_L: did up a spring winder that seemed to work ok surely we can make a pin jig
07:35 PM Tom_L: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lonf4ypINVM
07:43 PM rifraf: and its officially a belated beer o'clock, good morning
07:43 PM Tom_L: near lunch o'clock
07:43 PM rifraf: 10.30am
07:43 PM Tom_L: time for some r&r here
07:44 PM Tom_L: ahh, daylight time diff now
07:44 PM rifraf: not here, up in QLD no daylight savings
07:44 PM rifraf: thats why the sun comes up at 4.30am in middle of summer, is better now though, more reasonable 6am
07:45 PM rifraf: is same time all year
07:45 PM Tom_L: haha http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:443/~webpage/rue/reindeer/mold/Reindeer_mold13.jpg
07:46 PM rifraf: thats nice
07:46 PM Tom_L: his injection mold test
07:46 PM rifraf: yep, am gonna start back on mine one day sood when this machine is done
07:52 PM rifraf: steel plates or ally?
07:54 PM Tom_L: those were aluminum
07:55 PM Tom_L: i did some steel ones for some aluminum casting for him
07:55 PM rifraf: this short better get some views https://youtube.com/shorts/BgLblwSUP44
07:56 PM Tom_L: gettin better
07:57 PM Tom_L: even got 1 like so far
07:58 PM rifraf: thanks :)
07:59 PM Tom_L: how much does the collet pull it back?
07:59 PM rifraf: oh i forgot to increase pressure, will try 5 bar
07:59 PM Tom_L: figure that into your bar feed length
07:59 PM Tom_L: maybe 2mm?
08:00 PM rifraf: the same amount the levers push it, 5mm
08:00 PM rifraf: might try and reduce with next levers
08:00 PM rifraf: only need about 2
08:00 PM Tom_L: put a dial indicator on the end
08:00 PM rifraf: yes is an issue i was aware of the whole time
08:00 PM Tom_L: not an issue, all of them do it some i'm sure
08:01 PM rifraf: i know i can make a nopn feeding collet chuck design, but was more involved than i wanted to get for this build
08:01 PM rifraf: it can be fixed with other design
08:01 PM Tom_L: the multi spindle i did had feed tubes in the rear that put constant pressure on the material so it wouldn't pull back
08:02 PM Tom_L: took a collet set & feed tube finger set for each material type
08:02 PM Tom_L: that or hold the gripper firm until the collet is closed
08:02 PM rifraf: yeah, like you said is all fine though if you account for it
08:02 PM Tom_L: right
08:05 PM rifraf: can probably change to smaller cylinders with less stroke as it turns out, will wait till i have the final springs though
08:05 PM rifraf: but am happy as a pig in shit, beer 2 goin down well, hoping outside for a smoke
08:06 PM Tom_L: as you should be :)
08:09 PM rifraf: yay the fucking frogs let durov go, about time
08:14 PM rifraf: foam punching update, https://www.youtube.com/shorts/7ZZxNENi7AI
08:17 PM Tom_L: who's making the levels?
08:17 PM rifraf: he is, i linked earlier
08:17 PM Tom_L: he should have a foot valve
08:17 PM rifraf: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqrOtRadHo8
08:18 PM rifraf: he has the coolest little turret lathe
08:19 PM Tom_L: he's got that manual feeder arm in the back
08:19 PM rifraf: yep thats how i found him
08:19 PM Tom_L: with the bearing
08:21 PM rifraf: am gonna make one as well, the level
08:22 PM rifraf: and one showing the level making https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAjP3OOU7dI
08:23 PM rifraf: want the parting attachment as well, but will make it nc controlled
08:25 PM Tom_L: shold make the pocket level with a couple hooks to double as a line level too
08:27 PM rifraf: yep
08:27 PM Tom_L: https://tinyurl.com/3kyw3rhy
08:28 PM rifraf: yep
08:36 PM aandrew: hudson's bay lost their way a while ago, it just took this long to finally die
08:36 PM aandrew: wow you guys are a bunch of chatty cathy's today
08:38 PM aandrew: rue_mohr> nobody in the flipping world can make mild steel pins that are 1/4" dia and 15mm long with the edges trimmed a bit
08:38 PM aandrew: wat
08:39 PM rifraf: yeah he stresses on the little things that he could make himself anyway
08:40 PM aandrew: https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805524151291.html is 6mm, I'm sure with some digging 6.3mm won't be hard to find?
08:41 PM rifraf: or just design for 6mm and keep things simple and cheaper
08:45 PM rifraf: i think rue choked on his lunch, been awol for a while
08:46 PM aandrew: heh
08:46 PM aandrew: yeah I'd just use 6mm myself but maybe there's a reason
08:47 PM rifraf: woah just watch bitcoin drop $500 in 2 min
08:48 PM rifraf: because he likely has something with a worn out 6mm hole
08:48 PM rifraf: those pins you linked to are so cheap, who would even think of making them for that price
08:55 PM aandrew: I mean here's 1/4" 9/16 (not quite 15mm) but they're pricey https://www.mcmaster.com/products/pins/dowel-pins-3~/diameter~1-4-1/diameter~0-25/dowel-pins-1~~/length~9-16-2/
08:56 PM rifraf: thats what i told him to find exactly
08:57 PM rifraf: because hard to find stuff when you specify specs in 2 standards
08:58 PM rifraf: don't forget he will have the tarriffs on top of that :P
09:04 PM aandrew: I'm not sure if canadians are tariffing US machined parts
09:04 PM rifraf: joking
09:05 PM aandrew: https://ibb.co/trXqG9g lol
09:05 PM rifraf: rue will tell you its only as matter of time though
09:06 PM rifraf: why would you even think of buying US when CN is 8 times cheaper for such a product
09:06 PM aandrew: https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/essentra-components/2502500750/10298306
09:06 PM aandrew: these are cheaper but not sure what they're made of
09:06 PM aandrew: I'm not - just looking for options if 1/4" is a hard requirement
09:08 PM rifraf: yes you are doing a good thing, if only he would wake up, is likely machining some as we speak, $30 labour for each one
09:10 PM rue_mohr: aandrew, hey, I tried all sorts of people, couldn't do it, not even Sean Hodkins with his huge machine
09:10 PM rifraf: rue he has given you the links already
09:10 PM aandrew: so what's the requirement that has you looking for a part spec'd in both imperial and metric units?
09:11 PM rifraf: 8 week lead time with digikey, so funny
09:11 PM aandrew: hm? there were like 24k in stock
09:11 PM rifraf: ok missed that part
09:11 PM aandrew: 26k actually
09:11 PM rue_mohr: sleeping was dead tired
09:12 PM aandrew: it feels like if you're having trouble finding something this basic then perhaps there's a reason. at least that's been my experience
09:12 PM rifraf: rue_mohr i aslo said i could do it as soon as you asked, did you see the new video of collet chuck almost feeding stock?
09:13 PM rifraf: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/BgLblwSUP44
09:13 PM aandrew: I saw that, looks pretty awesome. been half-ass following your progress. living vicariously through you and tom and rue
09:13 PM rue_mohr: the pins cant be that long
09:13 PM rifraf: heh, yes i am used to that
09:13 PM rue_mohr: 15mm is the max
09:13 PM rifraf: omg :/
09:14 PM rifraf: wake up sir
09:14 PM aandrew: can't be how long? the mcmaster-carr one is just shy of 15mm and the 6mm ones on ali are exactly 15mm
09:14 PM rue_mohr: rifraf, your machine is lookin awesome
09:14 PM rue_mohr: maybe you can give it to me when your done, instead of just chuckin it out :]
09:14 PM rifraf: yes i will put your name on it
09:14 PM rue_mohr: 1/4" x 15mm
09:14 PM rifraf: 1/4 x 9/16 sir
09:14 PM rue_mohr: I'm not sure 6mm works, I COULD redesign the handles tho
09:15 PM aandrew: rue_mohr: yeah; the mcmaster-carr one is 1/4" and just shy of 15mm, and the ali ones are 6mm and 15mm
09:15 PM rifraf: you will save lotsa money by doing that
09:15 PM rifraf: there is no way 0.03mm will make a difference
09:15 PM rue_mohr: oh misssed the mccar url
09:15 PM aandrew: would a more standard spring dowel work? then you could get like 6.5mm or 7mm and pressing them into place would hold them fast
09:16 PM rue_mohr: haha $8.50usd for 10pcs, hahah oh god no
09:16 PM rifraf: + tarriffs rue
09:16 PM aandrew: rue_mohr: compared to how much to do them on your own or redesign for something readily available and 0.3mm smaller?
09:16 PM rue_mohr: beleive it or not, copper pipe is the cheapest right now
09:16 PM rue_mohr: changing the width would be a nightmare
09:17 PM aandrew: I cannot believe that making them out of copper pipe yourself is cheaper than 6mm on ali
09:17 PM rue_mohr: er, legth of the pin, effects the width of other things
09:17 PM rue_mohr: did you find some on ali?
09:17 PM rifraf: yes he did, 10c /pc
09:18 PM rue_mohr: oh wow, all sorts of links up here
09:18 PM aandrew: we're not talking about adjusting length, we're talking about dia from 6.3mm to 6mm... or drilling them out and using 7mm maybe?
09:18 PM rue_mohr: yea, I'v considered it
09:18 PM rue_mohr: 50pcs for $16..
09:19 PM aandrew: it's extraordinarily hard to find anything imperial on ali, holy cow
09:19 PM rue_mohr: huh, copper pipe is still cheaper
09:19 PM rue_mohr: yea
09:19 PM aandrew: that's what drove me to mcmaster
09:19 PM rue_mohr: they are just denying imperial now
09:19 PM rue_mohr: its made me use metric for a few things
09:19 PM rue_mohr: whcih I'm fine with
09:19 PM rue_mohr: metric is the right way to go
09:20 PM rue_mohr: only the usa uses imperial, and honestly, with the collapse of the usa as a country, maybe it can just go away now
09:20 PM rue_mohr: BUT
09:20 PM rue_mohr: "M6 dowel pins"
09:21 PM rue_mohr: wow, 431 followers on mastadon :]
09:22 PM rifraf: don't forget Libeira
09:22 PM rifraf: only other country still imperial
09:22 PM aandrew: how could we possibly forget Liberia, such an industrial powerhouse :-)
09:22 PM rifraf: heh
09:23 PM Tom_L: we'd been thru this all a while back
09:23 PM aandrew: rue_mohr: and I still think that perhaps a spring pin or slotted spring pin might work too if you could get M6.5 or M7
09:24 PM rifraf: rue_mohr can you show us where it is used?
09:24 PM Tom_L: any use discord?
09:24 PM aandrew: I do for a few things, I absolutely fucking hate it
09:25 PM Tom_L: need it for when i'm afk... i don't think my irc client will do anymore
09:25 PM rifraf: not here
09:25 PM aandrew: only things that are worse are zoom chat and teams chat, in that order
09:25 PM Tom_L: linuxcnc is linked to discord thru a bot
09:25 PM Tom_L: i may just skip it then
09:25 PM rifraf: is that wat that relay bot does
09:26 PM aandrew: it might be worth looking at matrix, there are irc gateways for it and mobile apps for it
09:26 PM Tom_L: it is mapped as well but i never got along with matrix
09:26 PM Tom_L: seemed i had to create a new user nearly every time i tried it
09:26 PM aandrew: I've never used matrix
09:27 PM Tom_L: seems the irc client no longer supported still works
09:28 PM aandrew: I use znc to connect to irc and then palaver on the phone but I have push working
09:29 PM Tom_L: i'll just stick with what i have and if it fails, just miss me a while :)
09:31 PM Tom_L: i have a ssh for the bot that should work
09:31 PM rue_mohr: Tom_L, you going to be in hon. for about 5-10 yrs?
09:31 PM Tom_L: not planning to
09:32 PM Tom_L: just miss me.. no need to call :D
09:32 PM rue_mohr: heh got it
09:32 PM Tom_L: not leaving for a while
09:32 PM rue_mohr: so if you suddenly stop posting in the next few days, call. got it
09:33 PM Tom_L: at least a couple weeks
09:34 PM rifraf: holiday or business?
09:34 PM Tom_L: you got rifraf & aandrew anyway
09:34 PM Tom_L: holiday
09:34 PM rue_mohr: I was worried that something had happened to ya
09:34 PM rifraf: nice
09:34 PM rue_mohr: left and stove on and gassed the house or something
09:35 PM rue_mohr: it was super unusual for you to dissapear for that long
09:35 PM Tom_L: learned to announce it now just not exactly when
09:36 PM rue_mohr: thats ok, esp now is getting spooky out there
09:37 PM Tom_L: the part of hon is privately owned. i wouldn't go beyond those bounds now anyway. i'm not stupid
09:37 PM Tom_L: there are storries of tourists being held
09:37 PM rue_mohr: in hon?
09:37 PM Tom_L: yea
09:38 PM rue_mohr: wtf is going on down there!?
09:38 PM rue_mohr: are they pretty laid back?
09:38 PM Tom_L: wouldn't be the first time we were protected by military with machine guns in hand
09:39 PM Tom_L: it's a love hate relationship. they love our money
09:39 PM rue_mohr: huh
09:40 PM rue_mohr: a buddy had a place downt here, hurricane came and tore it all apart
09:40 PM rifraf: rue trump has his eye on it too maybe, 52nd state
09:40 PM rue_mohr: they used his excavator to help rebuild
09:40 PM Tom_L: naw that will be canada
09:40 PM rifraf: canada is 51
09:40 PM Tom_L: ahh
09:41 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:443/~webpage/temp/DSCN0214.JPG
09:41 PM Tom_L: no rifraf that's not Au
09:41 PM rifraf: then greenland and ukraine is 54th
09:42 PM rifraf: too small for AU rue
09:42 PM rifraf: tom
09:43 PM rifraf: https://www.canberratimes.com.au/images/transform/v1/crop/frm/QCWxNXm2Zu7MVAKrvEafBf/b84cf5db-8efa-4e95-bee6-47e1c992289d.jpg/r23_26_1149_785_w1200_h678_fmax.webp
09:43 PM rifraf: coming to get ya
09:43 PM Tom_L: from there... i believe you
09:43 PM rifraf: i chased a 7 foot goanna up a tree once, and it fell straight past me, lucky it missed
09:44 PM rifraf: was in my rubbish so i climbed up the tree after it
09:44 PM rifraf: with a big stick and knocked it down
09:44 PM rue_mohr: we would be right minded to turn the power off before they finish making the weapons to get us
09:44 PM rue_mohr: rifraf, stop feeding the salamanders, they aint supposed to get that big
09:44 PM Tom_L: we have our own, we're just using up yours first
09:45 PM Tom_L: isn't that the merican way?
09:46 PM rifraf: https://youraussieholiday.com.au/project/goanna-perentie/
09:46 PM Tom_L: are they agressive?
09:46 PM rifraf: with ads like that no wonder you guys stay away :)
09:46 PM rifraf: yep
09:47 PM Tom_L: good eatin?
09:47 PM rifraf: but only if threatened, like i was doing to it
09:47 PM rifraf: the koories eat them\
09:47 PM rue_mohr: hmm sound like we gonna cancel our order of fighters from lockheed Martin
09:47 PM Tom_L: those things just sat there and looked at us
09:47 PM rifraf: we are not allowed
09:47 PM Tom_L: ahh
09:48 PM Tom_L: rue_mohr, get some from the french
09:48 PM rue_mohr: not a good idea to fly jets that retreet before the pilot does :]
09:48 PM Tom_L: heh
09:48 PM Tom_L: ours are getting too expensive
09:48 PM rue_mohr: and way too political
09:48 PM Tom_L: but they are impressive
09:49 PM rue_mohr: maybe ukrane has a design we can make for both of us
09:49 PM Tom_L: my kid makes parts for alot of those places
09:49 PM rifraf: and they can sell you as much as you like on the black markey
09:49 PM rue_mohr: oh its fffing youtube
09:49 PM rue_mohr: yea, I have an aliexpress tab open, so youtube cant get audio and wont play
09:50 PM rifraf: where do you think all the US money has gone
09:50 PM Tom_L: not in my pocket
09:50 PM rifraf: time for new browswer, try yandex, seriously
09:50 PM rifraf: no, into the ukraine polititions pockets
09:51 PM Tom_L: rifraf, ours fall apart too http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:443/~webpage/temp/windturbine.jpg
09:51 PM rifraf: ouch
09:52 PM rifraf: mine was still working fine, just needed some new blades, my mate tony has my 2 windmills as well
09:52 PM Tom_L: i remember the blades was the problem
09:52 PM rifraf: they were just pcv pipe
09:52 PM rifraf: am sure a double layer would have solved many issues
09:53 PM rifraf: pvc*
09:53 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:443/~webpage/temp/spacex/spacex_reentry.mp4
09:53 PM Tom_L: my kid saw that from his work
09:54 PM rifraf: cool, hopefully not your abandoned astronuats returning
09:54 PM Tom_L: naw, musk would rather just blow them up and smile
09:54 PM rifraf: i cannot believe they have been up there for 6 months longer then the expected week
09:55 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:443/~webpage/temp/sign.jpg
09:55 PM rifraf: we are at $2.10/liter now for the cheapest rubbish
09:56 PM rifraf: which my car still drinks happily thank goodness
09:56 PM rue_mohr: same car as when I was over?
09:56 PM rifraf: sure is
09:57 PM rifraf: tome showed it before in 2006
09:57 PM rifraf: 460000 km on the clock the other day
09:57 PM rue_mohr: mine is just over 350000
09:57 PM rue_mohr: rust is getting bad
09:57 PM rue_mohr: more paint this summer
09:58 PM rifraf: actually maybe not rue, i have the XE ford sedan when you were here i think
09:58 PM rifraf: or was it a wagon we drove in?
09:58 PM Tom_L: better get in line for electric
09:59 PM rifraf: will make my own
09:59 PM rifraf: i don't think we will be getting rid of fuel anytime soon
09:59 PM Tom_L: pretty hard to beat
09:59 PM rifraf: makes no sense in a big country this size
09:59 PM rue_mohr: https://stooq.pl/c/?s=eurcad&c=5d&t=l&a=lg&r=cadusd
09:59 PM rue_mohr: oh!
10:00 PM rue_mohr: interesting...
10:00 PM rue_mohr: no but wait
10:00 PM rue_mohr: thats..
10:00 PM rifraf: all the tesla owners are just work commutes mainly
10:00 PM rifraf: we have some neat chinese EV getting around too these days, i would get one of them before a tesla
10:00 PM rue_mohr: ah, yea, its just holding, its still high
10:01 PM Tom_L: so how do they get home in a power outtage?
10:01 PM rifraf: rue nothin is moving dude, its sunday
10:01 PM rue_mohr: ok good point, but
10:01 PM rifraf: Tom_L surf the floodwaters
10:01 PM Tom_L: it happened recently
10:01 PM rue_mohr: its kinda holding, I think i'll move again on apr 1-3
10:01 PM Tom_L: also they don't like freezing temps
10:02 PM rifraf: of course its holding well
10:02 PM rue_mohr: more so on the 3rd
10:02 PM rifraf: not many of the freezing temps up here
10:02 PM rifraf: yep am waiting for the 3rd
10:02 PM rue_mohr: I still muse you said "it almost gets down to freezing"
10:02 PM rifraf: meanwhile am playing on bitcoin down down
10:03 PM rifraf: am $500 up so far
10:03 PM rue_mohr: over 6 months its not come down much
10:03 PM rifraf: rue_mohr down south where you came too we get to 0C maybe even -2C, bit less in the hills
10:04 PM rue_mohr: wtf happened 4mo ago, sent it way up
10:04 PM rue_mohr: (bitcoin)
10:04 PM rifraf: i can see a $9K drop in the last week rue
10:04 PM rue_mohr: sure, but thats only a few % of where its been
10:04 PM rifraf: 22K drop in 3 months
10:04 PM Tom_L: carry on... ttyl
10:04 PM rifraf: see ya
10:05 PM rue_mohr: the noise margin is like 10k
10:05 PM rue_mohr: normal
10:05 PM rue_mohr: Tom_L, stay safe
10:05 PM rifraf: 22K is like more than 20% bit more than noise
10:06 PM rifraf: i would be selling now, i think the peak has been hit for a while
10:07 PM rifraf: yay reprints are done, might get the weak gripper feeding still
10:08 PM rifraf: can see a head and shoulders pattern coming for bitcoin, so should go down at least another 10K
10:09 PM rifraf: playing with the charts is reminding me of an old boss that tried to teach me all this stuff
10:09 PM rifraf: he was pretty accurate, made alot but then also lost it all getting too greedy
10:11 PM rue_mohr: is it
10:11 PM rue_mohr: the us administration is trying to drive down the price so they can buy it all up cheap and then use it as a new currency in the usa
10:12 PM rue_mohr: interesting, if you look over the past 5y
10:12 PM rue_mohr: there is something that implies rump is messing with it
10:13 PM rue_mohr: I think, not as sure on my dates
10:13 PM rue_mohr: ok! so a person in japan has a cool project they are talking about us doing
10:13 PM rue_mohr: tho I'm not totally sure if they want to do it
10:14 PM rue_mohr: I'm starting to wake up
10:19 PM rifraf: falling asleep here
10:24 PM rue_mohr: just waking up here
10:24 PM rue_mohr: I think I know what I wanted me to do
10:24 PM rue_mohr: I need to learn how to be a robot
10:25 PM rue_mohr: the fact I'm repeatedly inconvenienced by needing to eat shows a lack of tendency to automate tasks
10:26 PM rue_mohr: the wet clothes that have been in the washing amchne for what must have been a week are not a good sign either
10:27 PM rifraf: was wondering what that stench was
10:32 PM rue_mohr: my first goal is to become a fpv robot
10:32 PM rue_mohr: I think its a good idea to give up the idea of strave control so I dont have to omniwheel everything
10:34 PM rifraf: heh i made the gripper jaws worse with second printing, offset the wrong way
10:34 PM rifraf: time for take #3
10:59 PM aandrew: rifraf> https://www.canberratimes.com.au/images/transform/v1/crop/frm/QCWxNXm2Zu7MVAKrvEafBf/b84cf5db-8efa-4e95-bee6-47e1c992289d.jpg/r23_26_1149_785_w1200_h678_fmax.webp
10:59 PM aandrew: yeah I'm not going to .au
10:59 PM aandrew: I'm still a little freaked out that I have a greater than zero chance of meeting a damned mountain lion or rattlesnake on a hike down here
11:00 PM aandrew: Ontario's pretty damn safe until you get way into the boonies up north, and even then it's just bears
11:12 PM rue_mohr: While I was in oz I was viciously attacked by a lemon tree and a leach. Each of them was heartless in its ruthless, unsolicited attack. It took every bit of skill I had to survive my encounters with them.
11:13 PM rue_mohr: rifraf, was present for my epic battle with the leech. He was not much help tho, just stood there trying to get it to give up by laughing at it.
11:14 PM rue_mohr: I didn't think this a good approach and fought with it till it surrendered.
11:14 PM rifraf: lol rue :)
11:15 PM rue_mohr: http://ruemohr.org/%7Eircjunk/images/australia/dscn6500.jpg
11:15 PM rue_mohr: I was victorious against the lemon tree too
11:16 PM rue_mohr: http://ruemohr.org/%7Eircjunk/images/australia/dscn6511.jpg
11:18 PM Tom_L: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/images/australia/dscn6658.jpg
11:19 PM rue_mohr: oh that was the ozy locksmith
11:19 PM rue_mohr: wonderful accommodating chap
11:19 PM Tom_L: they all seem pretty laid back
11:19 PM rifraf: have had leaches bigger than your thumb stuck in my boots for hours
11:20 PM Tom_L: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/images/australia/dscn7349.jpg
11:20 PM Tom_L: haven't heard of him in a long while
11:20 PM rifraf: and they make you bleed for hours and hours by that point
11:21 PM rue_mohr: oh, thats my dad, he passed away
11:21 PM rue_mohr: awesome guy
11:21 PM Tom_L: ?
11:21 PM Tom_L: i thought it was thebear
11:21 PM rue_mohr: heh, no... but...
11:22 PM rue_mohr: that pic randomly ended up in there
11:22 PM rue_mohr: not sure how
11:23 PM Tom_L: don't recall why but that's what i thought
11:23 PM rifraf: love the locksmith image
11:23 PM rifraf: you make us look a bit wild
11:23 PM Tom_L: you make you look a bit wild
11:24 PM rifraf: hrm my website has been hijacked again
11:25 PM rue_mohr: 'again'? what you using wordpress or something?
11:25 PM rifraf: yep
11:25 PM rifraf: our flies http://www.roboreprap.com/robotics/australia/aussie_fly.htm
11:25 PM rue_mohr: oh well then your fault
11:26 PM rifraf: seems to me when i use https, that link safe
11:26 PM rue_mohr: I think we have larger flies in canada
11:26 PM rifraf: show me
11:26 PM rifraf: has measurments on that page to compare
11:26 PM rue_mohr: oh I dont want to dig for that now
11:27 PM rue_mohr: I dont even know what the damn things are officially called, just heard stories
11:27 PM Tom_L: if you ever invite me over i'll just take it as a death wish....
11:27 PM rifraf: we have horse flys that are bigger, thats just a march fly
11:27 PM * rue_mohr whipers "wait, does a dragonfly count?"
11:28 PM rifraf: heh the dragon flys i saw when fishing were like helicopters
11:28 PM rue_mohr: dragonfly gonna be an 8cm wingspan easy
11:28 PM rifraf: the flapping noise was something else,
11:28 PM rifraf: yeah 8cm +
11:29 PM rue_mohr: saved one from a greenhouse once
11:29 PM rue_mohr: it was happy to sit on my finger and be taken out, but god it took everything I had to not freak
11:29 PM rue_mohr: as soon as I was out of flew off
11:30 PM Tom_L: american horse fly: Most species are between 0.5 to 1.25 inches long
11:30 PM Tom_L: Tabanus genus
11:31 PM rifraf: In Australia, "horse flies," also known as march flies or tabanids, are large, blood-sucking flies that can cause painful bites, especially during warmer months
11:32 PM Tom_L: there's a couple 'bugs' here that will chase ya..
11:32 PM Tom_L: yellow jackets for one
11:32 PM rifraf: and we have 200 species of horse fly according to google
11:33 PM Tom_L: https://www.abc27.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/55/2022/08/GettyImages-872868954.jpg?strip=1
11:33 PM Tom_L: nest underground
11:34 PM rifraf: so at home http://www.roboreprap.com/robotics/images/rue_or_roo.jpg they miss you buddy
11:34 PM rifraf: looks nasty tom
11:34 PM Tom_L: they will chase you
11:35 PM Tom_L: bedtime here..
11:35 PM rifraf: yep, we have hornets and wasps like that, had to get rid of 2 nests in the last 2 months, put on long sleeves, spray and run for cover, and repeat about 10 times every 20 minutes
11:41 PM rifraf: and yep i was still scared
11:41 PM rifraf: not funny when they get you
11:41 PM aandrew: rifraf: we have horseflies in canada too. deer flies are agressive as hell but are largely just a nuisance (they'll bite too) but horseflies you damn near have to twist in half to kill. you stomp them or flatten them they'll just get back up
11:42 PM aandrew: dragonflies are awesome. they'll attack horseflies and deerflies too
11:42 PM rifraf: aandrew i know the feeling, they bounce back well no matter how hard you beat them
11:44 PM rifraf: rue did you ever meet fred my spider?
11:45 PM rue_shop2: yes, was on the livingroom wall
11:45 PM rifraf: just a house spider, well a huntsman we call them, was dinner plate sized and lived behind a picture frame
11:46 PM aandrew: damn, did you charge him rent
11:46 PM rifraf: nah he earned his keep my keeping other insects at bay
11:46 PM rue_shop2: the person in japan is proding me to try a unclocked ROM FSM
11:46 PM rue_shop2: this could be interesting, sure it wont work
11:46 PM rue_shop2: but, its one of those types of chicken-egg things I get wrong sometimes
11:49 PM rifraf: aandrew when i was younger i lived in a tree in the bush, snakes and big insects were and everyday thing, generally if you let them do their thing they let you do yours and you live together in harmony
11:50 PM rifraf: don't worry thats not a normal place we live, its just me,  on a beautifut 10m platform connected to 3 big old trees
11:50 PM rifraf: even had a fireplace made from an old beerkeg up there
11:53 PM rifraf: funny that it was a great flood that wrecked it, roof was only plastic tarps, too many fallen branches in the floods and got all mouldy so i gave up and came back to earth
11:54 PM rifraf: then that place got burnt down when i was 19, escaped only with the undies i had on luckily, and a bunch of scars
11:55 PM rifraf: still remember the exploding gas bottles and watching a years weed go up in smoke
11:57 PM rifraf: was still pulling chunks of multicoloured plastic from my dreads months later
11:57 PM rifraf: it had about 15 layers of plastic traps for the roof, all different colours
11:57 PM rifraf: tarps*
11:59 PM rifraf: rue came out to see the real bush i am pretty sure when he was here, like 50km from nearest town or shop
11:59 PM rifraf: deep in the rainforest